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Title: Momentum Paddle Motor
Post by: Lunkster on August 18, 2020, 05:42:31 AM
Could a motor be built that acts like rowing a boat on a lake.  Only it is paddling momentum?  Since gyro's produce a lot of momentum as they spin and since they will move easily one some directions and very hard in other directions, can a motor be built to take advantage of the gyro in order to create movement without having to interact with forces outside of that motor?  In this way by placing a couple of these motors together, movement like acceleration in space could be achieved?  In the drawing I show several gyro's moving at the same time in order to achieve this paddling motion.  The motor in the drawing would move in one direction. Other assemblies would be needed in order to have a useful system that could be used.  Would this motor just sit and spin itself apart?
Title: Re: Momentum Paddle Motor
Post by: seychelles on August 18, 2020, 04:39:51 PM
just resizing.
Title: Re: Momentum Paddle Motor
Post by: conradelektro on August 18, 2020, 05:24:17 PM
Could a motor be built that acts like rowing a boat on a lake.  Only it is paddling momentum?  Since gyro's produce a lot of momentum as they spin and since they will move easily one some directions and very hard in other directions, can a motor be built to take advantage of the gyro in order to create movement without having to interact with forces outside of that motor?  In this way by placing a couple of these motors together, movement like acceleration in space could be achieved?  In the drawing I show several gyro's moving at the same time in order to achieve this paddling motion.  The motor in the drawing would move in one direction. Other assemblies would be needed in order to have a useful system that could be used.  Would this motor just sit and spin itself apart?

If something moves in space one has to throw away mass (eject mass) to alter the speed or the direction of the movement.

Gyroscopes can only change the orientation (relative to its center of mass) of the object moving in space.
(The object can be turned in any direction by three onboard gyroscopes.)

Many people did and do not believe that common knowledge and tried and still try like you to come up with
gyroscope-contraptions to replace the ejection of mass.

Radiation pressure (like the radiation from the sun) can very slightly alter the flight path of an object in space.
But any conceivable radiation source on an object moving through space would be to weak to help very much.

The big problem of moving through space: How much mass can you throw away till you have no more mass left?

Gyroscope contraptions operated on a table can be very misleading. They seem to propel the contraption forward
but this is always done by friction with the table top or by friction in the air.

Greetings, Conrad
Title: Re: Momentum Paddle Motor
Post by: sm0ky2 on August 20, 2020, 07:22:28 PM
Thank you for the insight Conrad.
However, this is only part of the story:


A gyro also has momentum, which is the source of the anomalies many try to study.


This momentum opposes any applied force. Even that of gravity.
Spinning a gyro along a vertical axis, with enough velocity and/or mass can conpletely counteract its weight. This is due to the force of gravity acting on the gyro.
Following this chain of events, we can counter an accelerating force, thereby changing velocity with less energy. (normally a force of equal magnitude is required)


the exact opposite occurs when a force is applied IN the direction of the existing force.
again, allowing for far greater acceleration than a simple addition of the two forces.


In this manner, gyros can be used to assist the tiny forces of say a ‘solar sail’.
This comes as the cost of accelerating the gyro, and many would argue that the converted energies are equivalent.
Title: Re: Momentum Paddle Motor
Post by: conradelektro on August 20, 2020, 07:50:52 PM
Thank you for the insight Conrad.
However, this is only part of the story:

A gyro also has momentum, which is the source of the anomalies many try to study.

This momentum opposes any applied force. Even that of gravity.
Spinning a gyro along a vertical axis, with enough velocity and/or mass can conpletely counteract its weight. This is due to the force of gravity acting on the gyro.
Following this chain of events, we can counter an accelerating force, thereby changing velocity with less energy. (normally a force of equal magnitude is required)

the exact opposite occurs when a force is applied IN the direction of the existing force.
again, allowing for far greater acceleration than a simple addition of the two forces.

In this manner, gyros can be used to assist the tiny forces of say a ‘solar sail’.
This comes as the cost of accelerating the gyro, and many would argue that the converted energies are equivalent.

I was writing about proven concepts and well established facts.

You are writing speculations.

Whatever you believe, we should keep speculations and facts apart.

Believing in something is no proof. Hoping that something is true is also no proof.


It is a great problem in forums like this one that established facts are freely interchanged and mixed with speculations, measuring errors, misunderstandings, lack of education an plain lies.

Greetings, Conrad
Title: Re: Momentum Paddle Motor
Post by: telecom on August 22, 2020, 02:54:50 AM
I was writing about proven concepts and well established facts.

You are writing speculations.

Whatever you believe, we should keep speculations and facts apart.

Believing in something is no proof. Hoping that something is true is also no proof.


It is a great problem in forums like this one that established facts are freely interchanged and mixed with speculations, measuring errors, misunderstandings, lack of education an plain lies.

Greetings, Conrad
Lets suppose you have the axis of the gyro pointing to the polar star, floating.
Then it will be moving relative to the earth, but in fact the earth will be moving under it.
Title: Re: Momentum Paddle Motor
Post by: sm0ky2 on August 23, 2020, 02:49:22 AM
I was writing about proven concepts and well established facts.

You are writing speculations.

Whatever you believe, we should keep speculations and facts apart.

Believing in something is no proof. Hoping that something is true is also no proof.


It is a great problem in forums like this one that established facts are freely interchanged and mixed with speculations, measuring errors, misunderstandings, lack of education an plain lies.

Greetings, Conrad




Well spoken.
However, my personal “beliefs” generally dont make it into conversation...


But at the end of the day words are just words.
Try stepping out of your 30yr old books and buy a gyroscope.


The knowledge given to us by the world’s foremost expert of gyroscopic action agrees with reality, not “theory”.


Watch this NASA video, pay attention to the disturbances in the vertical vector (90-degrees to rotation)


https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/video/news-footage/213-83 (https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/video/news-footage/213-83)


And for your education, here is another 30 hours of study.






https://youtu.be/cMLXHe2wKy8 (https://youtu.be/cMLXHe2wKy8)


https://youtu.be/VUh6QXe4mMY (https://youtu.be/VUh6QXe4mMY)


https://youtu.be/0L2YAU-jmcE (https://youtu.be/0L2YAU-jmcE)


https://youtu.be/oPLCMSK9Syw (https://youtu.be/oPLCMSK9Syw)


https://youtu.be/cj4CoFmYScc (https://youtu.be/cj4CoFmYScc)


https://youtu.be/VLt1dSt_r18 (https://youtu.be/VLt1dSt_r18)


https://youtu.be/dKwwJe0znpA (https://youtu.be/dKwwJe0znpA)


https://youtu.be/vauFEgRdYks (https://youtu.be/vauFEgRdYks)


https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2ya0y4 (https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2ya0y4)


https://youtu.be/xTrwlo8B3rs (https://youtu.be/xTrwlo8B3rs)


https://youtu.be/4-rQUS3ghkA (https://youtu.be/4-rQUS3ghkA)


https://vimeo.com/308730639 (https://vimeo.com/308730639)


https://www.gettyimages.com/videos/gyroscope?phrase=gyroscope&sort=mostpopular (https://www.gettyimages.com/videos/gyroscope?phrase=gyroscope&sort=mostpopular)
Title: Re: Momentum Paddle Motor
Post by: sm0ky2 on August 23, 2020, 02:53:06 AM
Lets suppose you have the axis of the gyro pointing to the polar star, floating.
Then it will be moving relative to the earth, but in fact the earth will be moving under it.


That fact is indeterminate.


The only thing we know for certain, is that there is relative motion between the two object.
We have no way of knowing whether the gyro AND Polaris are moving,
or it is the earth (our perspective view) that is in motion.
This is Einstein’s core postulate. Without acceptance of this lack of knowledge:
relativity theory breaks.



Title: Re: Momentum Paddle Motor
Post by: telecom on August 23, 2020, 04:41:44 AM

That fact is indeterminate.


The only thing we know for certain, is that there is relative motion between the two object.
We have no way of knowing whether the gyro AND Polaris are moving,
or it is the earth (our perspective view) that is in motion.
This is Einstein’s core postulate. Without acceptance of this lack of knowledge:
relativity theory breaks.
but for us it doesn't matter, if you attach spring between  gyro and the wall, it should tense.
Title: Re: Momentum Paddle Motor
Post by: sm0ky2 on August 23, 2020, 06:53:08 AM
Only if there is an opposing force,
Or a gimble 90-degrees to the rotational plane and to the spring


If the spring were compressed when the experiment began, and applied to say the bottom shaft
also the top shaft attached to the same housing
the entire assembly would rotate 90-degrees to the angular momentum
just as if the spring were pressing on a lever, until it fully decompressed.
but in this model the ‘fulcum’ is replaced by the gyro
and the fixed shaft acts as the gimble, taking its’ reference in the other plane, 90-degrees to the spring.


A Gyro actually acts in all 3 dimensions
To observe this, a special type of gyro is used that has gimbles in all 3 axes


Similar to the device used to train astronauts, only that also employs an array of resistors on 2 gimbles, the controls allow you to balance them out on the horizontal plane.






 



Title: Re: Momentum Paddle Motor
Post by: Lunkster on August 27, 2020, 10:32:57 PM
Thank you so much for the video's on Eric Laithwaite and the demonstrations with Gyro's.
Thank you for all of the comments,  I enjoy reading and evaluating all of them.

I have a question.  Did all things start out as speculation and then with testing and operational proof did things become a reality?
Eric Laithwaite made a valid point how Ohms Law is valid for DC but not AC.  Also how the gyro's have a new property as it spins that causes it to act differently than when it is not turning.  Are there other things that do not meet the common law that have been established over the years?
Sometimes thinking outside the box can be of value for a person.  If there is something hidden, waiting to be found, the person who looks at the obvious will not find it,  It is only the person looking outside of the box who will find it.  It is too bad that there are so many people staying only inside the box and so few willing to look outside of the box.

THe Lunkster.

 
Title: Re: Momentum Paddle Motor
Post by: telecom on August 29, 2020, 11:07:21 AM
Only if there is an opposing force,
Or a gimble 90-degrees to the rotational plane and to the spring


If the spring were compressed when the experiment began, and applied to say the bottom shaft
also the top shaft attached to the same housing
the entire assembly would rotate 90-degrees to the angular momentum
just as if the spring were pressing on a lever, until it fully decompressed.
but in this model the ‘fulcum’ is replaced by the gyro
and the fixed shaft acts as the gimble, taking its’ reference in the other plane, 90-degrees to the spring.


A Gyro actually acts in all 3 dimensions
To observe this, a special type of gyro is used that has gimbles in all 3 axes


Similar to the device used to train astronauts, only that also employs an array of resistors on 2 gimbles, the controls allow you to balance them out on the horizontal plane.
I had in mind something similar to a fucault pendulum, which is a gyro by itself
Title: Re: Momentum Paddle Motor
Post by: Lunkster on September 08, 2020, 05:16:46 AM
I wanted to show how Linear momentum can be converted into angular momentum.  Now I believe as shown in the drawing that when Linear momentum is directly transferred into angular momentum that there is not an additional linear reaction of momentum acting against the linear action caused by the person in the first place.  Since energy is conserved in the transfer from linear to angular momentum, there would not be an equal linear momentum in the opposite direction of the  initial linear momentum.  This means that there should be some movement in the wagon each time the person pushes on the wheel in the wagon.  The reason the wheel in the wagon is 200 lbs is so that the person has to push harder to move the wheel creating more movement in the wagon.  If the wheel in the wagon did not move, then there would be no movement of the wagon.

The Lunkster
Title: Re: Momentum Paddle Motor
Post by: Lunkster on September 08, 2020, 04:01:29 PM
I updated the drawing here by changing the word gyro to wheel.  Spinning wheel would be more accurate.  The reason I did this is because when I use the word gyro, most people think of a free running gyro with procession.  I have fixed spinning wheels with no procession going on.  What this motor does is that it converts angular momentum into linear momentum.  The last drawing I posted was linear momentum converted into angular  momentum.  If you can convert one way, then you can convert the other way.  So that is what this motor does.

The drawing actually should be called "angular to linear momentum converter motor".

The Lunkster 
Title: Re: Momentum Paddle Motor
Post by: Lunkster on September 09, 2020, 06:25:36 PM
The Momentum from Linear to angular momentum is conserved in this machine.  Also for the example of a man pushing a wheel in a wagon.
Follow the torque in the example of the man pushing the wheel!
As the man pushes the stick against the wheel, the linear torque at the wheel is the same magnitude but but opposite direction of a man's foot pushing against the wall.  So this torque pushing on the wheel is not the same as when the stick is pushed against the other wall of the wagon.  No movement would occur.  Now the torque pushing the wheel is where linear momentum is converted into angular momentum.  Yes the momentum is conserved.  But what is happening to the torque?  The wheel begins to rotate creating angular momentum.  Now as angular momentum is being built up it has a torque built up into the system.  Now this torque is not in the direction that opposes the linear torque that the stick has.  So since the direction of angular torque is not in the direct opposition of the linear torque, the wagon should move a little.  Now the more weight in the wheel allows more linear torque to be generated into the wheel for a constant speed of push from the stick.  The wheel's weight will be a part of the total weight in the wagon. 
I am looking for someone to respond with the math for all of the torques along with the result of the movement in the wagon.

The Lunkster