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### Author Topic: "Magnet shear to direct pull work ratio"  (Read 3703 times)

#### Floor

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##### Re: "Magnet shear to direct pull work ratio"
« Reply #15 on: May 04, 2021, 03:18:46 AM »
continuing...
The shearing work measurements...
27.
28.
29.  20 g      --- 95.5 deg      25 x 2            = 50
30.  10 g      --- 100 deg       15 x 4.5         = 67.5
31.    5 g      --- 107 deg       7.5 x 7           = 52.5
total = 11293

Had we stopped our measurements at 95 degrees in both of the measurement sets
instead of continuing on to 107 degrees in the one set...

the ratio would have been 11173 (sliding) to 9998 (direct pull)
because 11293 - 120 =  11173
at 100 degrees  there are 67.5 units of work  +  the 52.5 units of work at 107 degrees
(67.5 +52.5 = 120)
and
11173 - 9998 = 1175 (still greater than zero).

See ?
We are not done yet !
floor

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##### Re: "Magnet shear to direct pull work ratio"
« Reply #15 on: May 04, 2021, 03:18:46 AM »

#### Floor

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##### Re: "Magnet shear to direct pull work ratio"
« Reply #16 on: May 04, 2021, 05:52:19 AM »
Force times displacement equals energy (in the form of mechanical work).

A mass of 102 grams, exerts approximately 1 newton of force (down) in earth's standard gravity
(as weight).

If we lift that 102 gram mass 1 meter, we do approximately 1 joule of work upon it, as that lifting.

Force times displacement equals work. 1 newton times 1 meter equals 1 joule of work.

But the force present in magnet interactions changes at differing distances.

So then, how does one calculate the energy present in magnet interactions ?

#### Floor

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##### Re: "Magnet shear to direct pull work ratio"
« Reply #17 on: May 04, 2021, 08:35:13 AM »
So..
The travel of a magnet (A) due to magnetic forces can be of a shorter
length than some other magnet's (magnet B's) travel due to magnetic
force and yet ...

if the average force along the travel of magnet (A) is greater
than the average force along the travel of magnet (B),  there can
be more energy present in the action of that magnet (A) than is
present in the action of magnet(B).

There is more potential to do mechanical work in the sliding magnet action
(presented / measured) than is present in the direct (face to face) action.

Next, we see if it can be looped as a net gain in work from magnets ?

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##### Re: "Magnet shear to direct pull work ratio"
« Reply #17 on: May 04, 2021, 08:35:13 AM »

#### Floor

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##### Re: "Magnet shear to direct pull work ratio"
« Reply #18 on: May 04, 2021, 09:00:24 AM »
Here it is...
the other two measurement sets...

less than 5 grams force, over the course of the one travel
and
negative five grams force, over the course of the other travel.

done...
back to the other magnet device...

@ https://overunity.com/16987/td-replications/msg556715/#msg556715

« Last Edit: May 04, 2021, 03:16:49 PM by Floor »

#### Floor

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##### Re: "Magnet shear to direct pull work ratio"
« Reply #19 on: May 04, 2021, 03:18:41 PM »
Disappointment again here, no spiny thingy !
Just cyclical work from magnets with a net energy gain ?

later ...
Always remember that ..
While time might fly like an arrow,
fruit flies like a banana.
« Last Edit: May 05, 2021, 06:28:08 AM by Floor »

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##### Re: "Magnet shear to direct pull work ratio"
« Reply #19 on: May 04, 2021, 03:18:41 PM »

#### Floor

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##### Re: "Magnet shear to direct pull work ratio"
« Reply #20 on: May 05, 2021, 06:29:44 AM »
Not done.
Still here.

#### Floor

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##### Re: "Magnet shear to direct pull work ratio"
« Reply #21 on: May 05, 2021, 06:43:16 AM »
Why ?

Back face / far field interaction...

video below

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7f0md2

OK to start at 6 min 05 seconds

Should use cube or bar magnets as recommended  in the "EDEN project" PDF,

@ https://overunity.com/18511/floors-magnets-explained/dlattach/attach/176430/

rather than wafer shaped ones...
and  / or use a longer out put stroke

floor

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##### Re: "Magnet shear to direct pull work ratio"
« Reply #21 on: May 05, 2021, 06:43:16 AM »

#### Floor

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##### Re: "Magnet shear to direct pull work ratio"
« Reply #22 on: May 05, 2021, 02:51:30 PM »

there are numerous ways in which I am not following the parameters
met in the Kedron Eden project PDF.
@
https://overunity.com/18511/floors-magnets-explained/dlattach/attach/176430/

So, we cannot consider this present endeavor as a replication nor as an invalidation
of that other project.

Note..

One of the reasons that this method interests me, is that it functions
in attraction modes.

This means that even when using ceramic magnets, one might get a long life
expectancy from the magnets.

#### Floor

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##### Re: "Magnet shear to direct pull work ratio"
« Reply #23 on: May 05, 2021, 05:09:19 PM »
Utilizing a longer out put stroke would decrease the input needed
to move from position two to position three and also increase the
output in moving from position three to position four.

For this reason and....

if / when, the magnets used were to be of cube shape, as in the Eden
project PDF, it looks like a net gain is possible here.

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##### Re: "Magnet shear to direct pull work ratio"
« Reply #23 on: May 05, 2021, 05:09:19 PM »