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Author Topic: "Magnet shear to direct pull work ratio"  (Read 5131 times)

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"Magnet shear to direct pull work ratio"
« on: July 16, 2020, 02:59:39 PM »
This topic is for presentations of
             the methods of measuring
                             and
            the measurements taken of

the work needed to shear two permanent magnets in attraction from one another
               as compared to
the work needed to pull those same two magnet directly apart from one another.

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Re: "Magnet shear to direct pull work ratio"
« Reply #1 on: July 18, 2020, 04:26:58 PM »
At all readers

Please read this (one page) @

https://overunity.com/18496/un-hassled-exploration/msg545850/#msg545850

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Re: "Magnet shear to direct pull work ratio"
« Reply #2 on: July 18, 2020, 04:34:46 PM »
@ All readers

I'm setting up for measurements.  It will probably be a number of days
before I have any thing to show.

I will be using wafer / ceramic magnets cut down from 1 7/8 inches
length to 7/8 of an inch length.

3/8 thickness by 7/8 by 7/8 (square face) wafer magnets. 
Magnetic poles are on the broad faces.

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Re: "Magnet shear to direct pull work ratio"
« Reply #3 on: July 29, 2020, 02:57:16 PM »
Please see the attached Jpg drawing below.

I will measure a few variations in magnet position in the
 by the time I am done.

Suggestions are welcomed.

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Re: "Magnet shear to direct pull work ratio"
« Reply #4 on: November 22, 2020, 12:13:42 AM »
More details of this particular experiment set (shear work compared to direct pull work).

Attached JPGs below

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Re: "Magnet shear to direct pull work ratio"
« Reply #5 on: November 22, 2020, 07:37:49 PM »
Here is someone else's Old project.  ( pdf file format )

I don't at this point, say their "findings" are either valid or not valid.


https://overunity.com/18511/floors-magnets-explained/dlattach/attach/176430/

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Re: "Magnet shear to direct pull work ratio"
« Reply #6 on: November 25, 2020, 06:32:44 PM »
I cut up two magnets yesterday (out doors).

You can have my magnets when you pry them from my cold wet hands !

Not the smoothest / best quality of cuts, but they should do well enough.

See picture below.

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Re: "Magnet shear to direct pull work ratio"
« Reply #7 on: March 04, 2021, 04:43:41 PM »
WHY any diference?

For 1 thing .....


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Re: "Magnet shear to direct pull work ratio"
« Reply #8 on: March 06, 2021, 02:30:02 AM »

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Re: "Magnet shear to direct pull work ratio"
« Reply #9 on: May 03, 2021, 12:25:57 AM »
First measurement set, no calculations.

7/8 x 7/8 inch by 3/8 inch thick.
Magnetic poles are on the broad faces.
The polar faces of the two magnets, begin as facing and aligned one over the other.
There is a 3 /32 inch gap between the two polar faces of the magnets.
The magnets are slid apart by adding force in10 gram increments.

Each degree is equal to 0.27930 of a mm travel on the sliding magnet.

1.   30 g       --- 3 deg
2.   40 g       --- 4 deg
3.   50 g       --- 5 deg
4.   60 g       --- 7.75 deg
5.   70 g       --- 8 deg
6.   80 g       --- 9 deg
7.   90 g       --- 12 deg
8.   100 g     --- 12 deg
9.   110 g     --- 13 deg
10.  120 g    --- 15.5 deg
11.  130 g    --- 17.75 deg
12.  140 g    --- 21 deg
13.  150 g    --- 23.75 deg
14.  160 g    --- 32 deg
15.  170 g    --- 49 deg
16.  160 g    ---  49 deg
17.  150 g    --- 62.75 deg
18.  130 g    --- 66 deg
19.  120 g    --- 70 deg
20.  110 g    --- 73 deg
21.  100 g    --- 77 deg
22.  90 g      --- 78.5 deg
23.  80 g      --- 81 deg
24.  70 g      --- 2.5 deg
25.  60 g      --- 85 deg
26.  50 g      --- 87 deg
27.  40 g      --- 90.5 deg
28.  30 g      --- 93.5 deg
29.  20 g      --- 95.5 deg
30.  10 g      --- 100 deg
31.    5 g      --- 107 deg

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Re: "Magnet shear to direct pull work ratio"
« Reply #10 on: May 03, 2021, 12:39:53 AM »
I'm set up for the next measurement set, but not today.


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Re: "Magnet shear to direct pull work ratio"
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Re: "Magnet shear to direct pull work ratio"
« Reply #11 on: May 03, 2021, 03:21:42 AM »
Finished it out any way.

No calculations done.

Interaction as in above jpg

7/8 x 7/8 inch by 3/8 inch thick.
Magnetic poles are on the broad faces.
The polar faces of the two magnets, begin as facing and aligned one in front of the other.
There is a 3 /32 inch gap between the two polar faces of the magnets.

The magnets are pulled directly apart by adding force in 15 to 20 gram increments.

Each degree is equal to 0.27930 of a mm travel on the sliding magnet.

1.   385 g    --- 0 deg balanced
2.   370 g    --- 2 deg
3.   345 g    --- 2.5 deg
4.   325 g    --- 3 deg
5.   305 g    --- 6 deg
6.   285 g    --- 7.25 deg
7.   265 g    --- 8.25 deg
8.   245 g    --- 9.75 deg
9.   225 g    --- 12.5 deg
10. 205 g    --- 14.5 deg
11. 185 g    --- 17.5 deg
12. 165 g    --- 19.25 deg
13. 145 g    --- 23.25 deg
14.  125 g    --- 27.5 deg
15.  105 g    --- 32.5 deg
16.  85 g      --- 38 deg
17.  65 g      --- 47 deg
18.  45 g      --- 62 deg
19.  25 g      --- 80 deg
20.  15 g      --- 95 deg

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Re: "Magnet shear to direct pull work ratio"
« Reply #12 on: May 03, 2021, 05:36:10 AM »
7/8 x 7/8 inch by 3/8 inch thick.
Magnetic poles are on the broad faces.
The polar faces of the two magnets, begin as facing and aligned one over the other.
There is a 3 /32 inch gap between the two polar faces of the magnets.
The magnets are slid apart by adding force in10 gram increments.

Each degree is equal to 0.27930 of a mm travel on the sliding magnet.

1.   30 g       --- 3 deg
2.   40 g       --- 4 deg          35 x 1             = 35
3.   50 g       --- 5 deg          45 x 1             = 45   
4.   60 g       --- 7.75 deg     55 x 2.75        = 151.25
5.   70 g       --- 8 deg          65 x 0.25        =  16.25
6.   80 g       --- 9 deg          75 x 1             = 75
7.   90 g       --- 12 deg        85 x 3             =  255
8.   100 g     --- 12 deg        0...................  = 0
9.   110 g     --- 13 deg        100 x 1           = 100
10.  120 g    --- 15.5 deg     65 x 2.5          =  162.5
11.  130 g    --- 17.75 deg   125 x 2.25      =  281.25
12.  140 g    --- 21 deg        135 x 3.25      =  438.75
13.  150 g    --- 23.75 deg   145 x 2.75      =  398.75
14.  160 g    --- 32 deg        155 x 8.25      =  1278.75
15.  170 g    --- 49 deg        165 x 17         =  2805
16.  160 g    ---  49 deg       0...................  = 0
17.  150 g    --- 62.75 deg   160 x 13.75    = 2200
18.  130 g    --- 66 deg        140 x 3.25      = 455
19.  120 g    --- 70 deg        125 x 4           = 500
20.  110 g    --- 73 deg        115 x 3           = 345
21.  100 g    --- 77 deg        105 x 4           = 420
22.  90 g      --- 78.5 deg      95 x 1.5         = 143.5
23.  80 g      --- 81 deg         85 x 2.5         = 212
24.  70 g      --- 82.5 deg      75 x  1.5        = 112.5
25.  60 g      --- 85 deg         65  x 2.5        = 162.5
26.  50 g      --- 87 deg         55 x 2            = 110
27.  40 g      --- 90.5 deg      90  x 3.5        = 315
28.  30 g      --- 93.5 deg      35 x 3            = 105
29.  20 g      --- 95.5 deg      25 x 2            = 50
30.  10 g      --- 100 deg       15 x 4.5         = 67.5
31.    5 g      --- 107 deg       7.5 x 7           = 52.5
                                                                 ---------------------------------------
                                                                    11293   or 11286 with no fractions

.... .... .... .... .... .... .... .... .... .... .... ....
7/8 x 7/8 inch by 3/8 inch thick.
Magnetic poles are on the broad faces.
The polar faces of the two magnets, begin as facing and one in front of the other.
There is a 3 /32 inch gap between the two polar faces of the magnets.

The magnets are pulled directly apart by adding force in 15 to 20 gram increments.

Each degree is equal to 0.27930 of a mm travel on the sliding magnet.

1.   385 g    --- 0 deg balanced
2.   370 g    --- 2 deg                   377.5 x 2          =  755
3.   345 g    --- 2.5 deg                357.5 x 0.5       =  178.75       
4.   325 g    --- 3 deg                   335 x 0.5          =  167.5
5.   305 g    --- 6 deg                   315 x 3             =   945
6.   285 g    --- 7.25 deg              295 x 1.25        =  368.75
7.   265 g    --- 8.25 deg              275 x 1.5          =  412.5
8.   245 g    --- 9.75 deg              255 x 1.5          =  382.5
9.   225 g    --- 12.5 deg              235 x 2.75        =  646.25
10. 205 g    --- 14.5 deg              215 x 2             =  430
11. 185 g    --- 17.5 deg              195 x 3             =  585
12. 165 g    --- 19.25 deg            175 x 1.75        = 306.25
13. 145 g    --- 23.25 deg            155 x 4             = 620
14.  125 g    --- 27.5 deg             135 x 4.25        = 673.75
15.  105 g    --- 32.5 deg             115 x 5             = 575
16.  85 g      --- 38 deg                95 x  5.5           = 522.5     
17.  65 g      --- 47 deg                75 x 9               = 675
18.  45 g      --- 62 deg                55 x 15             = 825
19.  25 g      --- 80 deg                35 x 18             = 630
20.  15 g      --- 95 deg                20 x 15             = 300
                                                                               ----------------
                                                                                9998.75


                                                                              11293
                                                                              - 9998
                                                                               -------
                                                                               1295

Some one might want to check the math.
There are 2 more motions to measure....


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Re: "Magnet shear to direct pull work ratio"
« Reply #13 on: May 03, 2021, 09:19:21 AM »
107 degrees worth of travel    and     95 degrees worth of travel...

100 / 107 = 0.9345794392523364485981308411215
0.9345794392523364485981308411215 x 95 = 88.785046728971962616822429906542

95 degrees of travel  is
             88.8 % of the travel of 107 degrees of travel .... .... .... .... ....

100 / 11293 = 0.00885504294695829274771982644116

0.00885504294695829274771982644116  x  9998 = 88.53

                                            9998 is 88.53 % of 11293 .... .... .... .... ....

No O.U. in this layout, doesn't prove that different magnet dimensions
or using neodymium magnets would not come out to O.U..   

But it doesn't look good to me, at this point.

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Re: "Magnet shear to direct pull work ratio"
« Reply #14 on: May 03, 2021, 03:21:04 PM »
Again...
     there are two more actions to measure.

                         This process is not complete.

Note I had previously diagrammed the input and output, backward.

But the work totals / measurements will still tell the differences, either way.

                       THIS DIAGRAM (BELOW) AGAIN, SHOWS THE ACTION BACKWARD

 

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