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### Author Topic: "Magnet shear to direct pull work ratio"  (Read 15058 times)

#### Floor

• Guest
##### Re: "Magnet shear to direct pull work ratio"
« Reply #15 on: May 04, 2021, 03:18:46 AM »
continuing...
The shearing work measurements...
27.
28.
29.  20 g      --- 95.5 deg      25 x 2            = 50
30.  10 g      --- 100 deg       15 x 4.5         = 67.5
31.    5 g      --- 107 deg       7.5 x 7           = 52.5
total = 11293

Had we stopped our measurements at 95 degrees in both of the measurement sets
instead of continuing on to 107 degrees in the one set...

the ratio would have been 11173 (sliding) to 9998 (direct pull)
because 11293 - 120 =  11173
at 100 degrees  there are 67.5 units of work  +  the 52.5 units of work at 107 degrees
(67.5 +52.5 = 120)
and
11173 - 9998 = 1175 (still greater than zero).

See ?
We are not done yet !
floor

#### Floor

• Guest
##### Re: "Magnet shear to direct pull work ratio"
« Reply #16 on: May 04, 2021, 05:52:19 AM »
Force times displacement equals energy (in the form of mechanical work).

A mass of 102 grams, exerts approximately 1 newton of force (down) in earth's standard gravity
(as weight).

If we lift that 102 gram mass 1 meter, we do approximately 1 joule of work upon it, as that lifting.

Force times displacement equals work. 1 newton times 1 meter equals 1 joule of work.

But the force present in magnet interactions changes at differing distances.

So then, how does one calculate the energy present in magnet interactions ?

#### Floor

• Guest
##### Re: "Magnet shear to direct pull work ratio"
« Reply #17 on: May 04, 2021, 08:35:13 AM »
So..
The travel of a magnet (A) due to magnetic forces can be of a shorter
length than some other magnet's (magnet B's) travel due to magnetic
force and yet ...

if the average force along the travel of magnet (A) is greater
than the average force along the travel of magnet (B),  there can
be more energy present in the action of that magnet (A) than is
present in the action of magnet(B).

There is more potential to do mechanical work in the sliding magnet action
(presented / measured) than is present in the direct (face to face) action.

Next, we see if it can be looped as a net gain in work from magnets ?

#### Floor

• Guest
##### Re: "Magnet shear to direct pull work ratio"
« Reply #18 on: May 04, 2021, 09:00:24 AM »
Here it is...
the other two measurement sets...

less than 5 grams force, over the course of the one travel
and
negative five grams force, over the course of the other travel.

done...
back to the other magnet device...

@ https://overunity.com/16987/td-replications/msg556715/#msg556715

« Last Edit: May 04, 2021, 03:16:49 PM by Floor »

#### Floor

• Guest
##### Re: "Magnet shear to direct pull work ratio"
« Reply #19 on: May 04, 2021, 03:18:41 PM »
Disappointment again here, no spiny thingy !
Just cyclical work from magnets with a net energy gain ?

later ...
Always remember that ..
While time might fly like an arrow,
fruit flies like a banana.
« Last Edit: May 05, 2021, 06:28:08 AM by Floor »

#### Floor

• Guest
##### Re: "Magnet shear to direct pull work ratio"
« Reply #20 on: May 05, 2021, 06:29:44 AM »
Not done.
Still here.

#### Floor

• Guest
##### Re: "Magnet shear to direct pull work ratio"
« Reply #21 on: May 05, 2021, 06:43:16 AM »
Why ?

Back face / far field interaction...

video below

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7f0md2

OK to start at 6 min 05 seconds

Should use cube or bar magnets as recommended  in the "EDEN project" PDF,

@ https://slideplayer.com/slide/3989835/

rather than wafer shaped ones...
and  / or use a longer out put stroke

floor
« Last Edit: November 30, 2021, 07:28:16 PM by Floor »

#### Floor

• Guest
##### Re: "Magnet shear to direct pull work ratio"
« Reply #22 on: May 05, 2021, 02:51:30 PM »
Please Keep in mind that...

there are numerous ways in which I am not following the parameters
met in the Kedron Eden project PDF.
@
https://slideplayer.com/slide/3989835/

So, we cannot consider this present endeavor as a replication nor as an invalidation
of that other project.

Note..

One of the reasons that this method interests me, is that it functions
in attraction modes.

This means that even when using ceramic magnets, one might get a long life
expectancy from the magnets.
« Last Edit: November 30, 2021, 07:30:49 PM by Floor »

#### Floor

• Guest
##### Re: "Magnet shear to direct pull work ratio"
« Reply #23 on: May 05, 2021, 05:09:19 PM »
Utilizing a longer out put stroke would decrease the input needed
to move from position two to position three and also increase the
output in moving from position three to position four.

For this reason and....

if / when, the magnets used were to be of cube shape, as in the Eden
project PDF, it looks like a net gain is possible here.

#### Floor

• Guest
##### Re: "Magnet shear to direct pull work ratio"
« Reply #24 on: May 08, 2021, 08:53:54 PM »
OK...
we got it ...

JPG below

best wishes
floor

#### Floor

• Guest
##### Re: "Magnet shear to direct pull work ratio"
« Reply #25 on: May 08, 2021, 11:37:55 PM »
Maybe 69% more energy as mechanical work out, than the mechanical work
which was input.....

EDIT 12/08/21

10358 input
11293 output
935 difference

935 is x % of 10358 ?

100 / 10358 = 0.00965

0.00965  x 10358 = 9.026839 % O.U.

10358 (input) is      91.72 % of        11293 (output)

« Last Edit: December 08, 2021, 09:37:39 AM by Floor »

#### lota

• Jr. Member
• Posts: 67
##### Re: "Magnet shear to direct pull work ratio"
« Reply #26 on: May 09, 2021, 09:40:01 AM »

#### Floor

• Guest
##### Re: "Magnet shear to direct pull work ratio"
« Reply #27 on: May 09, 2021, 04:24:44 PM »
@ Lota

Kenneth C. Kozeka / the EDEN project PDF

Are already liked to earlier in this topic
@
https://overunity.com/18551/magnet-shear-to-direct-pull-work-ratio/msg553381/#msg553381

Thanks for the additional link to that  project / PDF.
and
Also thanks for the link to the patent.
... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ...

The magnet actions / motions, I measured are similar to those shown in the patent.
That device is a continuous motion device.

The gear and shaft linkages in the patent drawing, indicate that the magnets must
all be moving , when any one of them is moving.
... ... ... ... ... ... .. .. .. .. .... ...
The interactions I have described are such that, an action begins, that action completes,
a next action begins, that next action completes and so on.  All motion comes completely
to a stop, then a / the next motion begins.
... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ...
however...
One might also slow an action down so much so (very near to the end of its motion) that it
serves practically the same purpose as does arresting completely that motion.

It seem as though  Kozeka's method is  intended to accomplish this by means of variable
gearing or pulleys.  This is described else where in the patent.
... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ...
Other wise....
yes, they are both about lateral and direct magnet attractions.
« Last Edit: May 09, 2021, 11:05:53 PM by Floor »

#### Floor

• Guest
##### Re: "Magnet shear to direct pull work ratio"
« Reply #28 on: May 09, 2021, 05:19:59 PM »
I'm pretty satisfied with this test.

I going to leave this topic available for others to post in / for me to get feed back in,
for a time.

Eventually I will lock it, so that it remains short and sweet / complete.

best wishes
floor
P.S.
Looking forward to getting back to that other build.

#### Floor

• Guest
##### Re: "Magnet shear to direct pull work ratio"
« Reply #29 on: May 10, 2021, 08:03:58 PM »
note..

I find only a U.S application for a patent not a
patent its self.

floor