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Author Topic: Minimal Lenz Generator V2  (Read 22051 times)

Offline norman6538

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Re: Minimal Lenz Generator V2
« Reply #60 on: August 25, 2020, 03:44:24 PM »
So that magnet looks to be off center. Is that good? Seems it would reduce efficiency. But basically any lower Lenz would make greater efficiency ie work in vs watts out.

So here is what has to be done. Come up with a good idea and then build it an test it to see if the idea has merit. I'm getting a little tired of being the tester for other non-bencher's ideas.  I don't get it folks.... Is it that some people have great brains and no practical bench skills? I do quick and dirty rapid prototype stuff and then if it merits I refined the mechanism.

Norman

Offline BorisKrabow

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Re: Minimal Lenz Generator V2
« Reply #61 on: August 25, 2020, 05:23:52 PM »
 Hi Norman ,
           
                  I am not shy about using asymmetry to improve efficiency .
This allows the magnetic field of the permanent magnet to penetrate less into the compensator. The segments are located so that they interact less with each other by magnetic fields. It's easier to find ready-made components . This design has an acceptable cost.  when synthesizing a design, I take into account many factors ...

                  Good, working, interesting ideas will be tested in research centers of large corporations and advanced startups. They will go through many thousands of tests before they hit the market.

                 I will check some ideas myself. It's hard for me to choose the best one. The problem is compounded by the fact that I have published less than a percent of what I have, and every day new ideas come up that overshadow the old ones.

                The V5 is of course crazy. But the task was too difficult. Perhaps someone will suggest a better design. Now I see no other solution to this problem.

                V6 is possible and there is much more crazy in it   ;D

Regards,
   Boris
   

Offline leonelogb

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Re: Minimal Lenz Generator V2
« Reply #62 on: August 25, 2020, 07:43:03 PM »
Onepower
Excellent explanation of free energy.
Please a little more ... how to do it ... (giving a reverse pulse to the polarity of the magnetized core?)

I see one small snag in the theory.

Whenever we place a piece of iron near a magnet the iron becomes a magnet in itself having an opposite polarity to the magnet which induced it, it's called magnetic induction. Therefore by placing a washer next to the magnet we have simply produced another slightly weaker magnet. The magnetic field induced in the iron washer is bound to the magnet thus it cannot change to any large degree unless the permanent magnet field changes. So when we add the iron washer we are simply producing a larger but slightly weaker permanent magnet field still subject to Lenz forces with respect to the coil and induced currents. Nature is very stubborn and seldom agrees with our theories to invoke change.

I have also been working on a partially lenz free generator following a new theory. When a magnet approaches or leaves a coil with an iron core the induced current in the coil always produces a secondary magnetic field in the core which opposes the motion of the permanent magnetic field. So theoretically we could gain free energy when a magnet is attracted to the iron of the core which will also induce a current in the coil however then we would then have to remove the magnetized iron core from the magnet. The initial work to induce the current in the coil is performed by magnetic attraction between the magnet and iron core and if we could remove the core from the magnet with less work we have a gain in energy.

Therefore our procedure is...
1)Let the magnet be attracted to the iron core inducing a current in the coil.
2)Turn off or interrupt the current flow in the coil to negate any further induced Lenz forces.
3)Demagnetize the iron core in some way so the magnet can leave the core without opposition.

The key word here is "demagnetization", not one magnetic field opposing or acting on another but removing or expelling the magnetic field from a region. Here we should understand using one magnetic field to negate another magnetic field is still "magnetism". I am talking about removing the magnetism all together so that the iron core becomes partially non-magnetic. In this case the magnet could move away from the iron core with little or no opposition.

So our problem then becomes how to demagnetize an iron core using less energy than was gained when the magnet was attracted to the iron core.

I think Victor Schauberger had it right... comprehend and copy nature, do the opposite of what others do.
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Offline BorisKrabow

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Re: Minimal Lenz Generator V2
« Reply #63 on: August 25, 2020, 07:57:36 PM »
"...I wonder if instead of blocking with diode it is allowed generate a voltage. The induced current would then be driven into a coil at a different position on rotor. That coil would then be attracted to and unmagnetized piece of steel. I’m thinking the second coil would need to be placed in a position where it’s not influenced by another approaching or departing magnet.  Think of it like a combination generator/reluctance motor....."
    Hi kajunbee ,

                        Interesting idea .  It is desirable that this be accompanied by an OU .
                        For example, a coil attracts an iron compensator with a packet of short pulses,
                 between which there are Back EMF pulses   ;D  ;D
             
For this, the compensator and the coil core must be made of ferrite.

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Offline BorisKrabow

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Re: Minimal Lenz Generator V2
« Reply #64 on: March 09, 2022, 09:33:25 AM »
Surprise !   Work continues     :)

Offline BorisKrabow

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Re: Minimal Lenz Generator V2
« Reply #65 on: August 14, 2022, 01:56:05 AM »
Hello!   
                       I added an illustration for my idea. I guess the drawing is easier to read than many pages of explanations.
                       
                       The technology has not been tested yet.

                       Tests reveal the effect. I didn't take exact measurements.

                        You can try to use air coils to break the connection between the magnet and the compensator that occurs through the core of the coil.

                       There is another interesting addition: when the magnet moves away from the coil, the magnetic field decreases, then the compensator helps the process of reducing the field in the coil.  Presumably this helps power generation and at the same time compensates for rotor drag.




                           regards Boris

Offline norman6538

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Re: Minimal Lenz Generator V2
« Reply #66 on: August 14, 2022, 03:30:52 PM »
Boris, The way I will test this today or tomorrow is with pendulum and then count the swings with the coil closed and with and without the magnet. But what should the polarity be?

Perpendicular or parallel to the coil.
Norman

Offline BorisKrabow

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Re: Minimal Lenz Generator V2
« Reply #67 on: August 14, 2022, 09:18:51 PM »
Boris, The way I will test this today or tomorrow is with pendulum and then count the swings with the coil closed and with and without the magnet. But what should the polarity be?

Perpendicular or parallel to the coil.
Norman
 
     Hello Norman ,
                                    Everything is not as easy as it seems .In the asymmetric variant, two asymmetries are applied:
     1 first the magnet and then the compensator otherwise there will be double braking.(  when the pendulum moves back, the coil must be turned off, this is a rather exotic switch  ) .
     2 you only need one half cycle of current when the magnet leaves and the compensator is attracted otherwise the energy will be half free   :) .

         Before the tests it is necessary to measure the magnetic field of the coil (eg with a compass). If there is a magnetic impulse from the reverse side of the coil, then oscillations can be counted. The most interesting thing is that on the reverse side of the coil, the polarity of the Lenz coincides with the polarity of the magnet if the magnet moves away from the coil.

        In the second figure, a symmetrical version for the pendulum .Other processes take place in it and test results may be different. Here, on the contrary, the compensator and the magnet arrive at the same time; this half cycle must be used. When the magnet and compensator leave, the coil is switched off. This can be done with a conventional diode.
           
          " Perpendicular or parallel to the coil " .  If there are ready-made parts, it is better to use them. You can avoid extra expenses.
 I expected to move the magnet from the end of the coil in order to apply the compensator from either side. You can go inside the hollow coil with a magnet and a compensator. You can use a flat crescent coil (similar to Gramme dynamo) .
            The main thing is to use the principle that I described above .

           The drawings from my previous post are very sketchy, but of course you can repeat this in the design. Use a long non - magnetic rod with a magnet and a compensator at both ends .

                        Best regards Boris

Offline BorisKrabow

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Re: Minimal Lenz Generator V2
« Reply #68 on: August 15, 2022, 10:44:51 AM »
Hi ,
                      If you carefully consider drawing MLG1.333 from the last post, you can see that the polarity of the coil and the magnet in the compensator area are opposite . In this case, you can apply Variant 3
   where the polarities of the magnet and the coil are the same 
                                https://overunity.com/18539/minimal-lenz-generator-v2/msg547922/#msg547922
                      When a magnet approaches, the coil counteracts it with the same pole, which is good for a ferromagnetic compensator. It is attracted by the Lenz force plus the magnet. And when the compensator leaves and the coil is turned off, only the magnet acts. The difference when adding all the forces is a gain and is approximately equal to the force with which Lenz brakes the rotor.
                       Free energy - - -   :)

                       in the figure, the alleged placement of parts on the example of a car generator. It is desirable to isolate the reverse side of the magnet from the ferromagnet of the rotor.

                      If this works, then once pushing a heavy pendulum, you can charge a car battery. The main thing is good bearings, low air resistance of moving parts, a massive compensator with good magnetic permeability.