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Author Topic: Minimal Lenz Generator V2  (Read 9935 times)

Offline gyulasun

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Re: Minimal Lenz Generator V2
« Reply #45 on: August 04, 2020, 02:21:55 PM »
Hi Norman, 

Thank you very much for doing and reporting this test. 

Wish you good health. 

Greetings 
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Re: Minimal Lenz Generator V2
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Re: Minimal Lenz Generator V2
« Reply #46 on: August 04, 2020, 08:11:12 PM »
if you use a part from a hard disk as a pendulum? There is a suspension(axis), there is a coil, there is a magnet ...

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Re: Minimal Lenz Generator V2
« Reply #47 on: August 05, 2020, 02:20:11 AM »
The bearing in the hard drive and also the VCR is hard to adapt whereas quick and dirty bike axles are easy to adapt and adjust.

I know because I have used the VCR bearing but not for a long pendulum where the least little bit of play will manifest itself.
See attached photo for how I adapted the front bicycle axle to make a pendulum. I wrapped  some sheet metal around the axle and gripped it tight with a nut and then the wood is screwed into that metal.  Out of the photo to the left is a front bicycle fork that holds the end of the axle. Since I repair bicycles I have lots of spare parts available.
My mistake was in using a 16 inch wheel axle instead of a 26 inch wheel which would have greater stability. If need be I can use 2 axles giving me the equivalent of a no sag fence gate hinge but don't have time right now.

Norman
« Last Edit: August 05, 2020, 11:36:09 AM by norman6538 »

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Re: Minimal Lenz Generator V2
« Reply #48 on: August 05, 2020, 05:41:49 PM »
Today I got a better axle and reduced the mag/core gap thus reducing the swings and now the difference in swings with coil open/closed and metal/no  metal is 1-2 swings - around 7-9. I will retest to see if the numbers are valid and then report them.

Bad news for now. The coil does not generate enough voltage to allow a diode to give me oneway voltage/current so it will take a mechanical switch and I don't have time for that now unless my nightime brain wakes me up with a quick and dirty idea.

So my daytime curiosity brain came up with this.
Using a hand pressed micro switch because the pendulum swings slow enough to manually press the switch closing the coil in only 1 direction and 2 tests I got a difference of 1 both times.  So

 A. coil closed approaching metal then coil - 9 swings.
 B. coil closed approaching the coil then metal - 10 swings.
 C. 9 swings with coil open.

Which I interpret to mean that the Lenz counter to motion force  is reduced with the metal on the leaving coil side. So we have quasi good news....

Norman 

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« Last Edit: August 05, 2020, 11:45:43 PM by norman6538 »

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Re: Minimal Lenz Generator V2
« Reply #49 on: August 06, 2020, 12:02:00 AM »
Hi Norman, 

Thank you again for your kind efforts.  Regarding the " The coil does not generate enough voltage to allow a diode to give me oneway voltage/current"  problem, you may have germanium diodes in your junkbox? Or a germanium transistor used as a diode?  These Ge diodes have 50- 100 mV forward voltage drop only. Low barrier Schottky diodes have 150-200 mV forward voltage drop.   

Indeed your test results are promising.   8)

Greetings 
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Re: Minimal Lenz Generator V2
« Reply #50 on: August 06, 2020, 05:10:54 PM »
I see one small snag in the theory.

Whenever we place a piece of iron near a magnet the iron becomes a magnet in itself having an opposite polarity to the magnet which induced it, it's called magnetic induction. Therefore by placing a washer next to the magnet we have simply produced another slightly weaker magnet. The magnetic field induced in the iron washer is bound to the magnet thus it cannot change to any large degree unless the permanent magnet field changes. So when we add the iron washer we are simply producing a larger but slightly weaker permanent magnet field still subject to Lenz forces with respect to the coil and induced currents. Nature is very stubborn and seldom agrees with our theories to invoke change.

I have also been working on a partially lenz free generator following a new theory. When a magnet approaches or leaves a coil with an iron core the induced current in the coil always produces a secondary magnetic field in the core which opposes the motion of the permanent magnetic field. So theoretically we could gain free energy when a magnet is attracted to the iron of the core which will also induce a current in the coil however then we would then have to remove the magnetized iron core from the magnet. The initial work to induce the current in the coil is performed by magnetic attraction between the magnet and iron core and if we could remove the core from the magnet with less work we have a gain in energy.

Therefore our procedure is...
1)Let the magnet be attracted to the iron core inducing a current in the coil.
2)Turn off or interrupt the current flow in the coil to negate any further induced Lenz forces.
3)Demagnetize the iron core in some way so the magnet can leave the core without opposition.

The key word here is "demagnetization", not one magnetic field opposing or acting on another but removing or expelling the magnetic field from a region. Here we should understand using one magnetic field to negate another magnetic field is still "magnetism". I am talking about removing the magnetism all together so that the iron core becomes partially non-magnetic. In this case the magnet could move away from the iron core with little or no opposition.

So our problem then becomes how to demagnetize an iron core using less energy than was gained when the magnet was attracted to the iron core.

I think Victor Schauberger had it right... comprehend and copy nature, do the opposite of what others do.
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Re: Minimal Lenz Generator V2
« Reply #51 on: August 06, 2020, 05:55:41 PM »
Thanks Onepower, I think you made that clear. I was wondering about the same thing but thought a test would be better than wondering.

If I remember correctly your idea was a part of the Adams motor that never seemed to get anywhere. He was getting free energy from the attraction/induction current but then it had to escape from the sticky spot. I always thought that if a small current could be used to escape that sticky spot we would have it. The Kunnel idea was to use a PM with free flux then an interrupter coil to allow and disallow the flux into a generator coil on the other side of the interrupter coil but that never seemed to get anywhere.


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Re: Minimal Lenz Generator V2
« Reply #52 on: August 06, 2020, 06:10:36 PM »
I wonder if instead of blocking with diode it is allowed generate a voltage. The induced current would then be driven into a coil at a different position on rotor. That coil would then be attracted to and unmagnetized piece of steel. I’m thinking the second coil would need to be placed in a position where it’s not influenced by another approaching or departing magnet.  Think of it like a combination generator/reluctance motor. Obviously I haven’t really put a great deal of thought into it this idea. My first impression is that it is just another version of self looped motor generator. But anyway that’s my brain fart for today.

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Re: Minimal Lenz Generator V2
« Reply #53 on: August 06, 2020, 06:21:33 PM »
The problem that onepower describes is still there. The only difference is that your not fighting the attraction of a strong permanent magnet. But as usual a gain is always offset by a loss. I’m sure those losses will be uncovered soon enough.

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Re: Minimal Lenz Generator V2
« Reply #54 on: August 16, 2020, 10:33:31 AM »

" .... Whenever we place a piece of iron near a magnet the iron becomes a magnet in itself having an opposite polarity to the magnet which induced it, it's called magnetic induction. Therefore by placing a washer next to the magnet we have simply produced another slightly weaker magnet....  "   

  Hi !
               I have an early Variant 1 in which the compensator is located on the back of the coil . Maybe it will be interesting .
      When an electric current flows in a coil, two poles appear in it. The compensator can be placed anywhere . The most important thing is that the counter-action energy is converted into mechanical acceleration .

                                                      I apologize for being rarely here

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Re: Minimal Lenz Generator V2
« Reply #55 on: August 16, 2020, 03:27:02 PM »
Boris I like your drawing but it appears that you are compensating for the Lenz counter to motion force only as the coil leaves the magnet but does not take care of the approaching the coil. And there is a field out of each end of the coil. So maybe we need to counter on both ends of the coil.... Or if we rig/fix one end of the coil does that weaken the other end.

I picture the  Lenz counter to motion force to be a force on the outside of the coil pushing against the approaching magnet like water raining down on the outside of a glass turned upside down if you can picture that.

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Re: Minimal Lenz Generator V2
« Reply #56 on: August 18, 2020, 01:22:50 AM »
Hi Norman, 
                        Thanks for the tests . I am impressed.
 Apparently there are big discoveries ahead of us.

            compensators on both sides of the coil have V2  ( picture at the beginning of the topic )
   
             when approaching, we turn off the coil so that Lenz would not interfere with us when the compensator is not yet ready for work

            The V5 design will work both when approaching and removing the magnet .I can see its outlines ... This takes time and a lot of mental strength.


           Lenz is primarily the magnetic field of the coil, which brakes the approaching magnet with the same pole and the retreating magnet brakes with the opposite pole.  it's like an electric motor, on the contrary, brakes instead of acceleration . But I guess how to deploy it so that it accelerates instead of brakes, but this is a different project.
             
                  MLG has several effects.  the compensator is attracted to neutralize Lenz. The compensator being next to the magnet deforms the magnetic field of the coil, interfering with Lenz. The compensator changes the parameters of the coil and a parametric effect occurs, which acts in an unknown way. the flow of the magnetic field from the magnet through the coil shaft into the compensator can shift the Lenz phase, which will weaken the braking .
                           You can still think of many fairy tales, but I think that this will be enough for a start.   :D   :D  .

   

 Best regards ,
     Boris
     

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Re: Minimal Lenz Generator V2
« Reply #57 on: August 18, 2020, 03:18:05 AM »
Right on Boris. You are the first person to articulate what I learned from simple magnet and coil on a pendulum experiments...

Keep going.... I like it.

Norman

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Re: Minimal Lenz Generator V2
« Reply #58 on: August 25, 2020, 11:19:12 AM »
  Hi !
                This is V4!  If you need a lot of energy then you need to add more magnetic field  .

     I agree with what was said earlier in the topic :
multiple coils can be used in the generator .
ferromagnet can be any, the main thing is the best result for tests .

                     We must not forget that all the magnets on the rotor must be turned to the coils with one pole.
If you alternate magnets with different poles, then the OU effect will partially disappear.
                     If you do not use a diode when removing energy, then the power will increase, but the percentage of OU will decrease .   
                     Direction of rotation as shown by arrow . In the opposite direction, it will work much worse.

Regards,
   Boris


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Re: Minimal Lenz Generator V2
« Reply #59 on: August 25, 2020, 12:23:39 PM »
Hi !
                It's V5! It works when the magnet approaches the coil and when the magnet moves away from the coil.

   Segment A acts when approaching the coil. As soon as it covers the entire core of the coil, the compensator becomes neutral since its area does not change until the end of the cycle .
    Segment B starts working when the magnet leaves the coil and until the end of the operating cycle .
   
    Here we get both half-cycles of AC . A diode is not required.

Regards,
   Boris

 

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