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Author Topic: Non-coherent access to hidden precession forces  (Read 989 times)

Offline Smudge

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Non-coherent access to hidden precession forces
« on: June 21, 2020, 12:41:03 PM »
I have posted the attached paper elsewhere, but I am re-posting it here for the benefit of all those researchers who have dabbled with BEMF spikes and found anomalous results.  Although written with the static field from a permanent magnet in mind, it could also apply to systems that do not have a permanent magnet (e.g. we all live within a static field from the Earth).  It requires a fast magnetic field transient to drive electron precessions into a “non-permitted” quantum state where anomalous results would be exhibited while the electrons return to their “permitted” state.  With our usual power sources (that are low impedance voltage sources) it is impossible to get fast rise of magnetic field since it is current that creates the field, and for inductors a nanosecond rise time in voltage does not create a nanosecond rise time in current.  Where you do get a fast field transient is at the back end of a voltage pulse where voltage is switched off, and that area is ripe for investigation of the OU effect described.

I note that the claimed OU by EMJunkie's Team comes from the BEMF spike where Chris has spoken of "regaugeing", of additional electrons released from the copper atoms by standing-wave mechanics applied to the wave function of the electrons there, brought about by using "partnered" coils having opposing fields.  Whilst I disagree with his perception of the mechanism for any OU effects observed, I can quite believe that anomalous effects were observed and I offer this paper as a possible explanation.

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Re: Non-coherent access to hidden precession forces
« Reply #1 on: June 22, 2020, 07:19:14 AM »
Hi.

I may be wrong but I don’t think it comes from the BEMF spike. I think that is only a measurable consequence! Viewed under different loads (higher or less current, magnetic field induced by more or less current) It is also worth watching the increase in inductance from 3:45. The coils are not located on the same column (non-tightly coupled coils) so the time of the induced magnetic field may also differ.
I reserve the right to make a mistake. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaW0mUdKvN4&feature=emb_logo    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fL2hENfI12g
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Re: Non-coherent access to hidden precession forces
« Reply #2 on: June 22, 2020, 07:29:33 AM »



With respect Smudge, this statement is incorrect:


I note that the claimed OU by EMJunkie's Team comes from the BEMF spike where Chris has spoken of "regaugeing"...




The effect is not the BEMF Spike.

The Effect comes from Two Coils Slapping Together, Creating a Voltage, once we have this Voltage, the Input is switched off. Amplitude is optimum when the Coils are driven at specific Frequency where Impedance is Minimum, XL = XC. Known as Resonance to most PPL.

The Two Coils then Pump Current, because we have Opposing Magnetic Fields, the Magnetic Fields do two things:

   1: Push Electrons up into Higher Orbitals. Freeing Electrons from the Binding Forces in the Atom!
   2: Push the Electrons down the Wire in the form of Current, an Electron Accelerator if you like.


With respect Smudge, we have got to get this bit right, its critical for all to understand this very simple set of effects, it results in Solid-State Energy "Generation" at much greater than Unity Levels!

An observation made in this video shows how this works.

Best wishes, stay safe and well in these dire times,
   Chris Sykes


P.S: Atti is correct. Well done Atti!

P.P.S: I strongly recommend all read Smudge's paper! It is important and very likely is related! There is a lot in your paper that I fully agree with! Of course except the "Magnet Conditioning" stuff!

P.P.P.S: Magnetic Capacitor is a very good analogy and one I have had in my head for a long time! This machine does exhibit Capacity!

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Re: Non-coherent access to hidden precession forces
« Reply #2 on: June 22, 2020, 07:29:33 AM »
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Re: Non-coherent access to hidden precession forces
« Reply #3 on: June 22, 2020, 12:57:21 PM »
With respect Chris,

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The effect is not the BEMF Spike.

Perhaps I should have said it comes from the temporal region where the BEMF spike occurs.  I would have thought that was obvious from my paper where I am trying to offer a different viewpoint as to why that BEMF region offers anomalous results.

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The Effect comes from Two Coils Slapping Together,

That is not a recognized scientific term, literally it means two coils that are physically moving through space and they collide.  Clearly this is not really what you mean, I suspect what you really mean is two magnetic fields with wave-fronts that move towards each other and when they meet the two fields are in opposition hence cancel each other.  If so why don’t you say that, why use such naïve and unscientific terms?

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An observation made in this video shows how this works.

Oh, I see it’s because some other person has produced a video “explaining” standing waves and he entitled it “Waves Slapping Together”.  I have enough experience of EM standing waves that I don’t need some nerd teaching me the subject, thank you very much. 

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The Two Coils then Pump Current, because we have Opposing Magnetic Fields, the Magnetic Fields do two things:

   1: Push Electrons up into Higher Orbitals. Freeing Electrons from the Binding Forces in the Atom!

Absolutely no proof or scientific credulity that this is true, it is simply your opinion based on what you have read and pieced together in your mind.  Stating this as fact is not helping your case.  My theories might also be wrong, but at least I admit they are only possibilities.

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With respect Smudge, we have got to get this bit right, its critical for all to understand this very simple set of effects, it results in Solid-State Energy "Generation" at much greater than Unity Levels!

I agree we all need to understand what is really going on when we get anomalous results, and that is why I am here on this forum.  You do yourself no favours in pushing your (in my view incorrect) theories here.  I take issue with the rude manner in which you shout your case with a series of huge images that you keep showing ad nauseam.  In your mind the series of images may tell a story, but to the reader they don’t and you make no attempt to bring them together in a coherent way.   

I particularly object to your posts on your thread where you show Assymmetrical Regauging Circuit.jpg that is immediately followed by Geo-metrically Opposing Fields.jpg as though they both apply to this experiment.  That second image shows two opposing coils in series where clearly the same current is flowing through both coils.  That is not the case for the actual circuit where the two coils are not in series.  In a normal transformer two isolated secondaries cannot obtain magnetic induction such that the two currents create opposing fields.  Were that the case one coil would be obeying Lenz’s Law while the other obeys anti-Lenz’s Law, and if we had such an anti-Lenz’s Law all our problems would be solved.  By Lenz both secondary currents attempt to create fields that oppose that from the primary, and since that primary field is notionally the same through both coils they can’t then oppose each other. 

When a secondary is wound onto a different part of the core to that of the primary, it’s opposition to the primary field results in some flux being driven outside the core, recognized as leakage.  If another secondary is wound over the primary then, because of that leakage, the fluxes through each secondary coil are not identical.  Bring in the additional complication of driving the primary with a low duty-cycle pulse, and the magnetic field propagation velocity delaying the effect of one coil current on the other, we have a complex system that can only be analysed in the magnetic domain, i.e creating a magnetic “circuit” where flux acts like current, MMF acts like voltage and so on.  This is well known for static fields where reluctance acts like resistance, but few people have extended this to the dynamic domain where a loaded secondary acts like a magnetic inductor LM obeying MMF = -LM(dFlux/dt).  Other magnetic domain components can be introduced such as magnetic capacitance CM obeying Flux = CM(dMMF/dt).

If we are to understand the anomalies found with your circuit then a full magnetic domain analysis is essential.  I am prepared to do this with an open mind, but I will not do so if you continue hammering home your own perceptions in such rude manner.

Smudge

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Re: Non-coherent access to hidden precession forces
« Reply #4 on: June 22, 2020, 01:55:55 PM »
Chris,

I appeal to you to listen to what Smudge has written above to hear what he is really saying.  There is a 'possibility' you don't fully understand the mechanism of your potential anomalous OU and he is simply trying to help.

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Re: Non-coherent access to hidden precession forces
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Re: Non-coherent access to hidden precession forces
« Reply #5 on: June 22, 2020, 06:50:58 PM »
Nicely worded reply Smudge. I like it. Can you direct me (or us) to additional information concerning magnetic inductance & capacitance? Nothing turns up on Google. Perhaps I'm not using a proper subject name.

Serious regards,
bi

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Re: Non-coherent access to hidden precession forces
« Reply #6 on: June 22, 2020, 11:42:20 PM »



Smudge, I do not, in anyway, mean to be rude!

I explain things the way I understand, I do it in a way, I think all readers can understand. I am deliberately blunt, to try to avoid confusion!

Beyond that, if you have taken my post the wrong way, and do not understand my methods and approaches, then I offer no apology, my methods work as results can be seen!

Best wishes, stay safe and well in these dire times,
   Chris Sykes



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Re: Non-coherent access to hidden precession forces
« Reply #6 on: June 22, 2020, 11:42:20 PM »
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Offline Smudge

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Re: Non-coherent access to hidden precession forces
« Reply #7 on: June 23, 2020, 10:02:59 AM »
Nicely worded reply Smudge. I like it. Can you direct me (or us) to additional information concerning magnetic inductance & capacitance? Nothing turns up on Google. Perhaps I'm not using a proper subject name.

Serious regards,
bi
I tried posting a link to my post in OUR but it didn't work, so here is the post and the document I produced 14 years ago.  I am surprised that even now this treatment of the magnetic circuit is not widely known or used.

The classical transformer model uses an impossible "theoretical" transformer at its heart.  This "perfect" transformer has the magical property of transforming voltage according to the turns ratio and transforming current according to the reciprocal of the turns ratio, all without any magnetic field at all.  Around this imaginary beast we then add other components to take account of the real need for a magnetic field, any field leakage that might exist, hysteresis loss in the core, resistive losses  in the windings and so on.  IMO this approach completely hides what actually goes on inside the real transformer, and when you delve into unusual uses such as adding a permanent magnet you are completely lost.  It is instructive to use a different model that looks at the transformer from the magnetic domain perspective, and solves in that domain.  The attached paper deals with this approach.  Enjoy.

Smudge

 

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