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Mechanical free energy devices => mechanic => Topic started by: DaKrampus on June 21, 2020, 08:12:43 AM
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Hello everybody, before i try to replicate something i usually try to find the flaws...
Now this one sounds to good to be true.. (in that case it often is) - but maybe some of you know it..
On the other hand the guy says its not free energy, it just turns for hours... (i'd be happy if i could build a magnet motor like that)
I dont believe the part where he says he had to heat up a magnet to make it weaker...
but i do believe him when he says it does not create free energy....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAv5zgsOXtM
does anybody think its fake? or real.. i am still trying to figure out if its worth trying to replicate it..
because its certainly lots of work and i am not nearly as good in craftmanship as that guy is.
Luciano
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Could be.
Something similar
https://youtu.be/2Jizeb9mK08
Is this for real? I dont know.
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If it is too complex to make it,
you could always use Coca Cola free energy wheel.
Just the wheel from bike and few bottles of Coke.
https://youtu.be/50Aag0J0Qe4
I dont know about the torque, but it spins.
Could be real, I think yes.
At least.it.would.turn for hours before it stops.
5+ for creativity.
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Interesting, is it overunity or is it not
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i meen the positive thing is the guy does not claim overunity.. he says it runs but it will not produce energy...
and he does not have enough views so one can say... he wants to make money by posting a fake...
on the other hand... there is something strange, but maybe i am not that familiar with youtube..
the video i posted above was this one... the one we have seen...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAv5zgsOXtM
but the first time i saw it the other day was this one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4N4TiOHc-g
(i just checked because i sent it to a friend)
The username is the same for both, but one video has 1300 views, the other one 17.000.
one has 130 comments the other one 4
its twice the same username in different profiles.. (exactly the same username)
very strange..
IMHO a thing like that makes the whole thing look suspicious...
Luc
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@ daKrampus
Are you the real aniti santy ?
I think it IS a real, working all magnet motor.
I don't think the builder fully understands why it works (I'm not SURE either), or he would have built an improved more powerful version.
It sounds like he is saying that he simply trial and errored it until it worked.
It looks like a accidental / weak version of force neutralization, by the creation of near balance
between attracting and repelling forces, in order to get past the "sticky spot".
@ What is it
This looks to me, like someone figured out a workable Vgate.
I think the magnet at the very bottom of the device assists, as a counter force producer / force balancer, this would neutralize the classic "sticky spot". If one went beyond "neutralization"
one would recreated / create a new sticky spot.
If so, very cool !
floor
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It should not work. Whether it does work against all odds or not is hard to tell without talking to the inventor and examining the wheel closely. But I like it, beautiful craftsmanship, fake or not.
I observed two aspects, which I find interesting, see the attached screenshots. I might try to build a 3D-printed version.
If it really works it would be OU because it does work to overcome friction. But it is very likely that it works by inertia (from an initial push) and stops after a few minutes. The four disk magnets are very heavy and a well balanced and well bedded wheel would spin several minutes after an initial push. The inventor would be famous by now if it worked, so my guess is that it is a nice hoax. The flip mechanism for the little magnet is real, but it probably did not do the trick (it needs inertia to run a minute or two).
Remark: The cola-bottle wheel https://youtu.be/50Aag0J0Qe4 (https://youtu.be/50Aag0J0Qe4) is driven by wind (ventilator streaming air over the top), an old trick.
Greetings, Conrad
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you are probably right--- on the page with the 200 comments--- i asked him when it stopped.. and.. he answered (that was a month ago)
DaKrampus vor 1 Monat
it has been a couple of months now... when did it stop?
perpetuum mobile
vor 4 Wochen
This magnetic motor is usually stationary. I start it up for a demonstration and stop it when the visit is gone. The longest running time was 2 hours. The reason for this is the annoying ticking sound and; I want to keep it whole for the next demonstration
so if it works.. its cool.
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you are probably right--- on the page with the 200 comments--- i asked him when it stopped.. and.. he answered (that was a month ago)
so if it works.. its cool.
If the wheel in the video works it is like this:
- The little magnet is to weak to influence the four big disk magnets on the wheel as long as it is in its resting position.
- When a disk magnet passes at the flip mechanism the little magnet is flipped very shortly in a position that repels the disk magnet.
- The little magnet is flipped for a short time under the disk magnet and pushes it upwards.
It would or should work like this, but I do not really believe it. Hundreds of "inventors" have devised mechanisms to move a magnet to and fro in order to influence magnets on a wheel. And none succeeded.
But do not believe me! Build and try by yourself. It is fun as long as you do not become fanatical and as long as it does not overextend your financial means.
Greetings, Conrad
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After the initial push it does seem to speed up some in several of the demos. That would seem to support this being the real deal unless there is something well hidden.
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After the initial push it does seem to speed up some in several of the demos. That would seem to support this being the real deal unless there is something well hidden.
This could be done by editing a part from a different (faster spinning) video into the original (slower spinning) video or it could simply be the aspect angle of the video changing.
But, my words do not matter, it is just an opinion, as unfounded as any opinion without inspecting the marvelous wheel first hand.
Physics as we know it speaks against it, historical patents show only failures in this area and the presentation on youtube is suspicious. With a magnet motor really working you go elsewhere, not just a video on YouTube. Since the video is four months old, it shows that the "inventor" left it like that, and this is extremely illogical with a real invention.
We could argue all night, we do know nothing decisive about this "invention". Again, just an opinion.
The answer Krampus got from the man on YouTube is very weak and not convincing. The clicking sound could be overcome by just placing it in a box. And one would continue to develop such an invention further, which obviously did not happen, because it is just a nice contraption.
Greetings, Conrad
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@ All readers
Not to get off topic here, but as a related subject.
Does anyone know what a cooler is ?
Does anyone here know what an agent provocateur is.?
@ Conrad Electode
You say "it is just an opinion",
You say that a lot "its just an opinion". Or "its just my opinion, no one has to agree".
Then it turns out to be almost exactly, that same old opinion you have given on topics year after year. Good to hear from you again !
You say of your words "my words do not matter".
If you really believed that your words do not matter, you wouldn't write them, would you ?
False humility is but a guise to conceal motive.
Be that as it may, called like it is, and a lie is then a lie.
But I do not say that sir..... you are a lier. In just such a manner as you, have not called the man who presents the first device a lier.
and after all
Sir, the scope of your humility is WELL established upon the pages of this forum.
Good sir !
You say of your words "my words do not matter".
Not only your words matter but your opinions matter as well.
Why would you say such a thing of your self ?
Your opinions matter ! Just as in example, even the flatus which creeps from that aged and stagnant bowel of a bitter and critical old man, has an effect upon those near to it, so also your opinions count, matter and have a real effect !
Quote "the presentation on youtube is suspicious."
Nothing disparaging in that statement.
Yes ! Watch out ! Gosh and golly ! Lest ye be deceived !
suspicious, suspicious, suspicious. All readers, beee waaaaaare.... boo!
"With a magnet motor really working you go elsewhere"
Conrad, you would know just where to stick a working magnet motor, wouldn't you ?
and....
Wrong ! Many if not most would say, you turn it loose. And yes, probably on youtube.
"without inspecting the marvelous wheel first hand."
Is this use of the word (marvelous) here, sarcasm ?
Marvelous indeed, and brave and bold the man. Though some here, lack anything of the courage to explore bold ideas.
It would be beneath the dignity of you Conrad, to inspect it and just a waste of time, right ?
And now the dismissal / one "last cut".
"We could argue all night, we do know nothing decisive about this "invention". "
Bravo!
So take stock and realize, as any who read here may note, you do make a difference.
floor
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Then it turns out to be almost exactly, that same old opinion you have given on topics year after year. Good to hear from you again
Please give me one example where I was wrong.
Your rant is just an other opinion which matters as much as mine.
Greetings, Conrad
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"With a magnet motor really working you go elsewhere"
Conrad, you would know just where to stick a working magnet motor, wouldn't you ?
If I had invented a permanent magnet motor that runs only on the magnets, I would do the following in this order:
1.) Build at least three more prototypes to prove to myself that I am not deluded or in error.
2.) Patent it. Not so much for commercial protection but to have a priority date which proves that I thought of it first. I would not even finish the patent application, I would let it die after the A-publication (publication of the "patent application", which happens before it becomes a granted patent). I would do that with a patent attorney. The whole "patent application stance" would cost about EUR 3000.--. To get the patent granted in several countries would cost about EUR 10.000, but I would not go so far.
3.) I would try to interest several Universities with the prospect that they can get scientific publications out of it.
4.) Try to interest several good firms, well knowing that they will try to take it away from me.
5.) Try to interest several newspapers, which will bring publicity.
6.) Well, and then I would bring it to YouTube and a Web Site of my own in order to have it easily accessible worldwide.
It most likely will never happen, but that is what I advise. This advice will not be heeded because most people are more greedy than I am (because of my age, not for the lack of want). The advantage of old age is, that you do not have the strength anymore to be foolish and that you have done all the silly things earlier in your life and you know better now. But knowing better now does not matter, because you can not do it anyway.
Greetings, Conrad
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Conrad,for comercial protection worldwide without profit thinking a national "utility model" application is enough,without patent office approval and grant need and max. 150 Euros administrative costs,the main interest : official priority date documentation !
" .....The advantage of old age .... "
I have to see and understand it as personal view,from own experience with 70+ age inventors( " old" enough ?) and by the behaviour from the actual U.S.-President his first government members ,all multi-millionary and also "old" by life ages ! But "thursty" for own profit and tax-paying saving politics like babies related to mammal drinks !
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First video.
I at first thought that the first video might be based upon a balancing of attraction and repulsion forces.
After studying the video and presenters comments more, I conclude that this is not particularly
the case here.
He uses a weak magnet, (he states).
I think it is a common mistake among magnet experimenters to think that bigger
will work better.
There are a couple of good reasons why using strong magnets in all position, may not be the best way to proceed. (no details on this from me here).
In a trial and error / siege kind of approach, toward getting magnets to continuously rotate (inventor imply s that this was how he did it), one might eventually realize the need to use weak magnet interactions.
Most fakes I have seen, go for the more impressive / bigger is better approach.
It would be uncommon for a "faker" to go for a lesser and less impressive magnet interaction, though not unheard of .
Any but the most inexperienced of internet users will realize,that,
the internet is packed with fake free energy devices.
So much so that ....
it hardly needs mentioning but, .... odds are very high .... that both of these devices are bogus.
However, it is an entirely different position to take a stance which is simply the autopilot, proceeding into ridicule and defamation / accusation of all the presenters of magnet motors.
That would not be / is not open minded inquiry.
Second video
While I myself probably would not consider doing a build as in the first video, I would consider doing a build of the V gate variation shown in the second video.
Even though I have seen a gazillion.... not working and / or fakes of the V gate design. That video shows a variation, in which I find good enough reason to explore further.
Note... I don't see any advantage to using neos rather than ceramics in the V gate variation design.
peace out
floor
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The second video (V gate) does not use force balancing in the way I initially thought it might.
because
The motion of the second magnet (external to the wheel) at the bottom of the device, is not connected to the motion of the top magnet (external to the wheel).
@ https://youtu.be/2Jizeb9mK08
The bottom magnet engages the V configuration (from within the V).
This inclines me to believe that both, the left and the right sides of the V configuration are presenting a same and single magnetic polarity. i.e. all magnet faces (both sides of the V) have the same magnetic pole facing up.
This would then necessitate that the top (bar / external) magnet is actually two magnets, and that both ends are of the top bar have the same magnetic polarity. Its poles / fields engage the V configured magnets primarily from the out side of the V.
I think that I may have seen this video / configuration before. Without some kind of magnetic force neutralization, I conclude that the device #2, should get stuck in the classic sticky spot.
floor
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A freeze frame of the over balanced wheel, will reveal that it is never over balanced, but is instead always balanced.
best wishes
keep researching, Keep learning !
floor
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Overbalanced wheel is overbalanced, and as such it seems that it should work. But people forget some principles of mechanics. When these weights fall, their rotation causes the big wheel to rotate in the opposite direction, which means slowing it down.
Asking whether it's overunity or not, it was a joke, sorry if no one understood.
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hi ,sorry for disturbing in here, my separate post is waiting on approval since Friday,here is the msg
is known the procedure to create electrical power by moving a coil through magnetic field or a magnetic field through coil, as dc generators or alternators.
all known or better said used procedures requires a mechanical work from which we calculate system efficiency.
what if we provide a moving magnetic field without using mechanical work?
will there be something that will not suffice?
to me, the theory looks fine,according to present electricity laws.
pleased to hear .
rgds to all
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Continuously self adjusting balance wheel.
Seeing for one's self if it works or not, is to know with certainty, that it
works or does not work.
Seeing for ones self, also opens up of a possibility of understanding why
it works or doesn't work.
To SAY that it doesn't work, is not the same as knowing for certain that
it doesn't work.
Knowing for certain that it doesn't work, is not the same as knowing WHY
it doesn't work.
The reason why it doesn't "work".
The net balance, left and right of center comes to zero during the rotation.
Otherwise the device would stop rotating almost immediately, except
that it would first oscillate (like a pendulum) for a some amount of time.
The wheel eventually stops rotating.
If the rotational position of the wheel, at which point its rotation stops,
is used as the starting position of the wheel, the wheel doesn't self start.
Energy must be input into the device to start the rotation.
This is accomplished by a manual rotating of the wheel into its
"starting position".
One lifts a portion of the weight in the bottles.
That input, unbalances the wheel.
Even though these kinds of devices are commonly referred to as
"over balancing wheels", they are in fact self adjusting, such
THAT BALANCE IS MAINTAINED, throughout the rotation.
EXCEPTION... There are waves bouncing to and fro in the bottles
(In English the fluid is sloshing about)
The force of the leverage....
which is a combination of weight and its distance laterally, from the center
of rotation, is constantly shifting within each bottle during the rotation
of the wheel.
The force of the leverage which is left of the center of rotation
is equal to
the force of the leverage which is right of the center of rotation
at all times during the wheel's rotation
except when first starting the wheel, by an initial / manual
unbalancing of the wheel
Initially it is unbalanced, then it is balanced.
Although though the fluid is always shifting within the bottles left of
center, it is also always shifting within the bottles, right of center.
If such a device is well constructed, i.e. the bottles are very nearly
identical in their spacing around the rim, the bottle weight is the
same for each bottle and the bearings have very low friction, then
momentum can carry the rotation for long periods of time.
My opinion is based on observation and reasoning. Its not in alignment with the common description of the device as an "over balance wheel".
But also my opinion is not just another "safe bet" / low risk / repetition of rote "learning".
Its not just a another cheap shot.
If I take a chance I may gain an understanding.
Otherwise what ? I can instead regurgitate factoids, while actually understanding very little ?
If I stick to the factoids, it makes me almost always right.
There is some similarity in the 1st magnet / wheel device to the gravity wheel device.
The question remaining of the magnet device ....
Is there some degree of magnetic force neutralization realized in that device ?
Perhaps between a combination of the back and front faces of the rotating
magnets in relationship to the flipping magnet.
I could be wrong though.
floor