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Author Topic: Real looking magnet motor with good explanations.  (Read 2093 times)

Offline DaKrampus

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Real looking magnet motor with good explanations.
« on: June 21, 2020, 08:12:43 AM »
Hello everybody, before i try to replicate something i usually try to find the flaws...

Now this one sounds to good to be true.. (in that case it often is) - but maybe some of you know it..

On the other hand the guy says its not free energy, it just turns for hours... (i'd be happy if i could build a magnet motor like that)
I dont believe the part where he says he had to heat up a magnet to make it weaker...
but i do believe him when he says it does not create free energy....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAv5zgsOXtM


does anybody think its fake? or real.. i am still trying to figure out if its worth trying to replicate it..
because its certainly lots of work and i am not nearly as good in craftmanship as that guy is.

Luciano

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Offline WhatIsIt

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Re: Real looking magnet motor with good explanations.
« Reply #1 on: June 21, 2020, 08:39:22 AM »
Could be.
Something similar

https://youtu.be/2Jizeb9mK08

Is this for real? I dont know.

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Re: Real looking magnet motor with good explanations.
« Reply #2 on: June 21, 2020, 08:44:26 AM »
If it is too complex to make it,
you could always use Coca Cola free energy wheel.
Just the wheel from bike and few bottles of Coke.

https://youtu.be/50Aag0J0Qe4

I dont know about the torque, but it spins.

Could be real, I think yes.
At least.it.would.turn for hours before it stops.
5+ for creativity.

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Offline ayeaye

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Re: Real looking magnet motor with good explanations.
« Reply #3 on: June 21, 2020, 06:01:45 PM »
Interesting, is it overunity or is it not


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Re: Real looking magnet motor with good explanations.
« Reply #4 on: June 21, 2020, 06:47:42 PM »
i meen the positive thing is the guy does not claim overunity.. he says it runs but it will not produce energy...
and he does not have enough views so one can say... he wants to make money by posting a fake...

on the other hand... there is something strange, but maybe i am not that familiar with youtube..
the video i posted above was this one... the one we have seen...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAv5zgsOXtM

but the first time i saw it the other day was this one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4N4TiOHc-g
(i just checked because i sent it to a friend)

The username is the same for both, but one video has 1300 views, the other one 17.000.
one has 130 comments the other one 4
its twice the same username in different profiles.. (exactly the same username)
very strange..

IMHO a thing like that makes the whole thing look suspicious...

Luc


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Offline Floor

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Re: Real looking magnet motor with good explanations.
« Reply #5 on: June 21, 2020, 07:05:44 PM »
@ daKrampus

Are you the real aniti santy ?

I think it IS a real, working all magnet motor.

I don't think the builder fully understands why it works (I'm not SURE either), or he would have built an improved more powerful version.

It sounds like he is saying that he simply trial and errored it until it worked.

It looks like a accidental / weak version of force neutralization, by the creation of near balance
between attracting and repelling forces, in order to get past the "sticky spot".

@ What is it

This looks to me, like someone figured out a workable Vgate.

I think the magnet at the very bottom of the device assists,  as a counter force producer / force balancer, this would neutralize the classic "sticky spot".  If one went beyond "neutralization"
one would recreated / create a new sticky spot.

If so, very cool !


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Offline conradelektro

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Re: Real looking magnet motor with good explanations.
« Reply #6 on: June 21, 2020, 07:38:26 PM »
It should not work. Whether it does work against all odds or not is hard to tell without talking to the inventor and examining the wheel closely. But I like it, beautiful craftsmanship, fake or not.

I observed two aspects, which I find interesting, see the attached screenshots. I might try to build a 3D-printed version.

If it really works it would be OU because it does work to overcome friction. But it is very likely that it works by inertia (from an initial push) and stops after a few minutes. The four disk magnets are very heavy and a well balanced and well bedded wheel would spin several minutes after an initial push. The inventor would be famous by now if it worked, so my guess is that it is a nice hoax. The flip mechanism for the little magnet is real, but it probably did not do the trick (it needs inertia to run a minute or two).

Remark: The cola-bottle wheel https://youtu.be/50Aag0J0Qe4 is driven by wind (ventilator streaming air over the top), an old trick.

Greetings, Conrad

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Offline DaKrampus

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Re: Real looking magnet motor with good explanations.
« Reply #7 on: June 21, 2020, 08:11:11 PM »
you are probably right--- on the page with the 200 comments--- i asked him when it stopped.. and.. he answered (that was a month ago)

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DaKrampus vor 1 Monat
it has been a couple of months now... when did it stop?

perpetuum mobile
vor 4 Wochen
This magnetic motor is usually stationary. I start it up for a demonstration and stop it when the visit is gone. The longest running time was 2 hours. The reason for this is the annoying ticking sound and; I want to keep it whole for the next demonstration

so if it works.. its cool.

Offline conradelektro

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Re: Real looking magnet motor with good explanations.
« Reply #8 on: June 21, 2020, 08:43:37 PM »
you are probably right--- on the page with the 200 comments--- i asked him when it stopped.. and.. he answered (that was a month ago)

so if it works.. its cool.

If the wheel in the video works it is like this:

- The little magnet is to weak to influence the four big disk magnets on the wheel as long as it is in its resting position.
- When a disk magnet passes at the flip mechanism the little magnet is flipped very shortly in a position that repels the disk magnet.
- The little magnet is flipped for a short time under the disk magnet and pushes it upwards.

It would or should work like this, but I do not really believe it. Hundreds of "inventors" have devised mechanisms to move a magnet to and fro in order to influence magnets on a wheel. And none succeeded.

But do not believe me! Build and try by yourself. It is fun as long as you do not become fanatical and as long as it does not overextend your financial means.

Greetings, Conrad

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Re: Real looking magnet motor with good explanations.
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Offline e2matrix

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Re: Real looking magnet motor with good explanations.
« Reply #9 on: June 21, 2020, 08:53:02 PM »
After the initial push it does seem to speed up some in several of the demos.  That would seem to support this being the real deal unless there is something well hidden.   

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Re: Real looking magnet motor with good explanations.
« Reply #10 on: June 21, 2020, 09:07:03 PM »
After the initial push it does seem to speed up some in several of the demos.  That would seem to support this being the real deal unless there is something well hidden.

This could be done by editing a part from a different (faster spinning) video into the original (slower spinning) video or it could simply be the aspect angle of the video changing.

But, my words do not matter, it is just an opinion, as unfounded as any opinion without inspecting the marvelous wheel first hand.

Physics as we know it speaks against it, historical patents show only failures in this area and the presentation on youtube is suspicious. With a magnet motor really working you go elsewhere, not just a video on YouTube. Since the video is four months old, it shows that the "inventor" left it like that, and this is extremely illogical with a real invention.

We could argue all night, we do know nothing decisive about this "invention". Again, just an opinion.

The answer Krampus got from the man on YouTube is very weak and not convincing. The clicking sound could be overcome by just placing it in a box. And one would continue to develop such an invention further, which obviously did not happen, because it is just a nice contraption.

Greetings, Conrad

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Offline Floor

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Re: Real looking magnet motor with good explanations.
« Reply #11 on: June 22, 2020, 04:28:05 AM »
@ All readers
Not to get off topic here, but as a related subject.
Does anyone know what a  cooler is ?
Does anyone here know what an agent provocateur is.?

@ Conrad Electode
You say "it is just an opinion",   
You say that a lot "its just an opinion".  Or "its just my opinion, no one has to agree".
 
Then it turns out to be almost exactly, that same old opinion you have given on topics  year after year.  Good to hear from you again !

You say of your words "my words do not matter".   
If you really believed that your words do not matter, you wouldn't write them, would you ?



False humility is but a guise to conceal motive.
Be that as it may, called like it is, and a lie is then a lie. 
But I do not say that sir.....  you are a lier.  In just such a manner as you, have not called the man who presents the first device a lier.
                       and after all
Sir, the scope of your humility is WELL established upon the pages of this forum.

Good sir !
You say of your words "my words do not matter".   
Not only your words matter but your opinions matter as well. 
Why would you say such a thing of your self ?

Your opinions matter !  Just as in example, even the flatus which creeps from that aged and stagnant bowel of a bitter and critical old man, has an effect upon those near to it,  so also your opinions count, matter and have a real effect !

Quote "the presentation on youtube is suspicious."
Nothing disparaging in that statement.
Yes ! Watch out ! Gosh and golly ! Lest ye be deceived  !
 suspicious, suspicious, suspicious.  All readers, beee waaaaaare.... boo! 

"With a magnet motor really working you go elsewhere"
Conrad, you would know just where to stick a working magnet motor, wouldn't you ?
    and....
Wrong ! Many if not most would say, you turn it loose.  And yes, probably on youtube.

"without inspecting the marvelous wheel first hand." 
Is this use of the word (marvelous) here, sarcasm ?

Marvelous indeed, and brave and bold the man.  Though some here, lack anything of the courage to explore bold ideas.

It would be beneath the dignity of you Conrad, to inspect it and  just a waste of time, right ?

                                        And now the dismissal / one "last cut".
"We could argue all night, we do know nothing decisive about this "invention". "
                   Bravo!
 
So take stock and realize, as any who read here may note, you do make a difference.

          floor

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Re: Real looking magnet motor with good explanations.
« Reply #12 on: June 22, 2020, 08:52:32 AM »
Then it turns out to be almost exactly, that same old opinion you have given on topics  year after year.  Good to hear from you again

Please give me one example where I was wrong.

Your rant is just an other opinion which matters as much as mine.

Greetings, Conrad
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Re: Real looking magnet motor with good explanations.
« Reply #13 on: June 22, 2020, 03:16:57 PM »
"With a magnet motor really working you go elsewhere"
Conrad, you would know just where to stick a working magnet motor, wouldn't you ?

If I had invented a permanent magnet motor that runs only on the magnets, I would do the following in this order:

1.) Build at least three more prototypes to prove to myself that I am not deluded or in error.

2.) Patent it. Not so much for commercial protection but to have a priority date which proves that I thought of it first. I would not even finish the patent application, I would let it die after the A-publication (publication of the "patent application", which happens before it becomes a granted patent). I would do that with a patent attorney. The whole "patent application stance" would cost about EUR 3000.--. To get the patent granted in several countries would cost about EUR 10.000, but I would not go so far.

3.) I would try to interest several Universities with the prospect that they can get scientific publications out of it.

4.) Try to interest several good firms, well knowing that they will try to take it away from me.

5.) Try to interest several newspapers, which will bring publicity.

6.) Well, and then I would bring it to YouTube and a Web Site of my own in order to have it easily accessible worldwide.

It most likely will never happen, but that is what I advise. This advice will not be heeded because most people are more greedy than I am (because of my age, not for the lack of want). The advantage of old age is, that you do not have the strength anymore to be foolish and that you have done all the silly things earlier in your life and you know better now. But knowing better now does not matter, because you can not do it anyway.

Greetings, Conrad

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Re: Real looking magnet motor with good explanations.
« Reply #14 on: June 22, 2020, 03:37:03 PM »
Conrad,for comercial protection worldwide without profit thinking a national "utility model" application is enough,without patent office approval and grant need and max. 150 Euros administrative costs,the main interest : official priority date documentation !


" .....The advantage of old age .... "

I have to see and understand it as personal view,from own experience with 70+ age inventors( " old" enough ?) and by the behaviour from the actual U.S.-President his first government members ,all multi-millionary and also "old" by life ages ! But "thursty" for own profit and tax-paying saving politics like babies related to mammal drinks !



 

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