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This topic is the reorganization of a collection of information from another / prior topic here at the Over Unity forum which was called "Magnets Motion and Measurement". It is the product of many years of sharing and experimentation by an inspired global collective, of free energy researchers.
This topic's purpose is to aid magnet experimenters.
1. It gives some basic but valuable information / describes some physics basics, such as what is force, work / energy, power (87 pages worth)
2. It contains information on and explanations of, how to measure the energy present in simple magnet interactions. How can one know if there is over unity in a particular magnet interaction set ?
3. It describes and to some extent explains, a large number of force interactions which can occur between two or more magnets.
4. It contains the details and explanations of many ideas and experimentation which I and other users of the O.U. forum have performed.
5. It contains descriptions of and some explanations of effective forms / methods for the shielding of shunting of and manipulation of magnetic force. These methods do not block magnetic fields. They shunt them, and in many amazing, novel, useful and very powerful ways.
6. much more
good hunting
floor
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Files. Several of them. These are the latest revisions of a work in progress. Input / corrections are
welcome and requested. It is open source.
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More files
Note..
The InverseSquare 1bPn.pdf file was previously / accidentally left out of this post.
It has now been included.
best wishes
floor
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More files 2
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More files 3
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More files 4
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More files 6
LUMEN'S method
LUKE'S FORCE and FLOOR'S FORCE
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More files 7
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More files 8
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videos
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6gzr2q
and 27 other videos demonstrating some of these interactions.
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A related older topic.
https://overunity.com/17097/magnet-force-shield/180/ (https://overunity.com/17097/magnet-force-shield/180/)
310 views here (floor's Magnets explained), and perhaps one person took the time to down load a PDF file or two.
(most of the down loads here have been tests down loads by me)
Out of something approaching a half million views (all of the floor magnet topics combined) over the past seven years, thousands of PDF down loads have occured.
Out of thousands of downloads, perhaps by now, 100 people studied / understood them ?
Same old same old.
best wishes
floor
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@ synchro 1
Thaelin was considering a build using neodymium magnets in CITFTA 's topic @
https://overunity.com/18506/possible-magnet-motor-research-ideas/msg546335/#msg546335
I hope he finds the time to follow through with that.
floor
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I grew confused about the thread switch. You are correct about everything. The shield rotor needs a cog wheel and rachet mechanism. RPM is not a major factor.
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Our two designs do the same thing. Mine is vertical and yours horizontal. The vertical version permits us to connect the repulsion magnets to a spoke and central axle. A snapping rachet mechanism turning the shield rotor would help maximize force on the pump piston. A rotating "Step Motor" attached to the axle would power this beautifully.
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The only over unity that really counts !
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evN6DIGPIJM
best wishes
floor
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1. Rack and pinyon linkage of output magnets.
2. Output magnets are a single pole on a face.
3. Shield magnets are a single pole on a face.
4. shield magnets mechanically likned / move in unison (left then right in drawing)
5. fine tuneing magnets.
https://overunity.com/18299/mgnetic-shield/dlattach/attach/173871/image//
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The design presented by CITFTA, but double / combined units.
below
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CITFTA build / rotates
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LankaIV posted this link to a patent today @
https://overunity.com/18232/science-and-prediction/msg547667/#msg547667
Sounds like a similar kind of attraction / repulsion force balancing method.
floor
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Really cheap build
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Why start, complete, stop matters
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@ All readers
Note...
These magnets devices are complex oscillating systems.
In some ways these solid / real world, magnets and their interactions,
give us analogies for other / related electromagnetic interactions / oscillating /
resonating circuits.
we see @
https://overunity.com/18511/floors-magnets-explained/msg547717/#msg547717
a limitation in the functioning of a specific magnet interaction.
If the LOAD on the output is sufficiently light / unmatched, a quick withdrawal of the
shield magnet would cause much energy waste.
i.e. latching of the output must occur in order to prevent that energy loss.
however
If the LOAD on the output is sufficiently heavy / matched, a quick withdrawal of the
shield magnet is possible without much energy loss
i.e. no "latching" of the output or in other words the load is the latching.
best wishes
floor
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This is a diagram of what I term "luc's force".
It will play into the interactions.
You can get a look at it in the "MagForShldComplex 2-1.PNG" drawing below
also
The first 2 minutes of this video....
@ https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7f0i61 "Floor's balancing neutralization"
and these videos
@ https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5d7hdv "Luc's 1"
@ https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5d7ip9 "Luc's 2"
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For a look.....
With an applied initial / peak force of 115 grams and an average force of 80 grams over the 6.144 mm as input,
the twist drive as configured in the videos ....
will lift a constant 140 grams by 11.172 mm.
It converts linear motion into rotation at more than 200 % efficiency (it is O.U.).
But
When reversed (output mode becomes the input) it coverts rotation into linear motion
at over 200 % less than unity (under unity)
When operated cyclically the work is done then undone (no net gain).
@ https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6wfk0d
degrees on the scales converted to linear motion
0.27930 mm per degree
0.27930 x 22 degrees = 6.1446 mm
0.27930 x 40 degrees = 11.172 mm
seealso the strange T. D. interaction in a drawing form @
https://overunity.com/16954/magnets-motion-and-measurement/msg543594/#msg543594
regards
floor
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@ All readers
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Check this out...
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high efficiency latch
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@Synchro
A rebellion against some thing or some idea, is still a product of and
conditioned by, that which is being rejected.
One of the reasons (I think) we don't see magnet motors every where
is that,
If
we simply reject "the impossibility of Perpetual motion",
we have already limited our thinking to an image of O.U. as meaning
a device which is in constant or continuous motion. i.e perpetual... motion.
Devilish isn't it ?
mechanical work per unit of time = power
Or
energy per unit of time = power
work = force x displacement (discounting acceleration against inertia)
Or
kinetic energy = 1/2 x mass x velocity squared
(as energy to cause acceleration against inertia)
Commonly, designers seek to improve the energy efficiency of mechanical
devices through circular momentum. This is because it requires an input of
energy to accelerate an object against its inertia.
It CAN be tremendously wasteful to accelerate an object over and over again,
If
we can instead maintain its momentum by a circular motion.
But
the greater the mass of ...
And
the greater the speed to which we accelerate an object to ....
Then
the greater also, is the amount of energy we expend to cause that objects
acceleration
But.
Don't be in a hurry !
If we trade off
high speed
for instead ...
high force ...
(and keep the mass low as possible).
we can avoid wasting energy in accelerations AS EFFICIENTLY AS IF WE WERE
MAINTAINING CONSTANT THE MOMENTUM !
high force but slow moving
Then
convert it to high speed rotational later if we so desire !
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@ All readers
Drop these assumptions if you want to understand the
"floor's magnets"
designs.
FALSE and yet almost always assumed as to what would be
needed in order for a mechanical magnetic device to self run :
Error 1. the device must have continuous motion in order to self run.
Error 2. the device must involve rotation in order to self run.
We want it to self run, right ?
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Because it would be easy to waste energy.
If one wishes to store energy from the output of a magnetic interaction, by
placing it into a mechanical spring, one would do well to consider these facts.
Given two magnets in REPULSION.
Magnet forces and spring forces, peaks, in their force to distance curves
are out of synchronization.
magnet
force is greatest at the beginning of the repulsion (near)
in contrast
spring
force is greatest at the end of a springs compression
also
force is greatest at the end of a springs stretch
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Between a given two permanent magnets, the attraction possible is almost always greater
than the repulsion possible.
Although in the context of the discussion of the balancing of magnetic attraction
force with magnetic repelling force, I frequently refer to attractions as being equal
to repulsions,
that balance generally, must be created by design.
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NEXT
All for now..
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@ all readers
NEXT
All told, these "floor's" topics have presented about 6 major variations in magnet powered design.
There are AT LEAST another 6, minor variations discussed in various topics.
Below are INCOMPLETE descriptive drawings of 4 of those designs.
All of those designs (drawings below) are of a .......
START an action, COMPLETE that action , STOP that action ......
BEFORE a next action begins type (SCS).
I think it is a given, that even within these "SCS" designs, if built efficiently enough, it might still be
workable, if some component were to be nearly complete in its motion, just as some other component's motion begins. Be that as it may, I don't know to what advantage this would be.
There are yet other designs in which rotational and continuous motion elements are involved. These are not discussed here.
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Peace
out
floor
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I'm working on a set of measurements for another topic.
In the interum, here is a short video of magnets cyclically giving
a net gain in work out.
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x728wd9
floor
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This is a re-worked presentation of a file I posted as
"mirror engine 4new all pn.PDF"
The present version "mirrorengine 9.pdf" is attached below.
Note... it is without page numbering.
floor
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@ all readers
please note..
I have never built nor tested the input to output of the design in the previous post
"mirrorengine 9.pdf".
I have built and measured many of the designs presented earlier in this topic.
There are many good drawings / descriptions and videos, throughout the topic.
@ all readers
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I have been "informed" on very numerous occasions that "there is no such thing as a magnetic shield".
Please tell this to the Magnetic Shield Corporation, as they have been (apparently erroneously)
in the business of manufacturing and selling magnetic shielding for about 80 years. Look em up !
What is shielding in general, and in specific what are some of the kinds of, and ways in which various kinds of shielding perform their function ?
Lets look at one type.
For many centuries, in some parts of the world, individuals have demonstrated a kind of shielding as performance art. It is as follows. Performer #1 (typically of large stature and physical strength) lies on his back upon the ground. A large / thick / broad / flat stone is placed upon his chest. The stone typically has a weight of some where around 80 or 100 pounds.
While performer #1 holds the stone from rocking and / or sliding from its place, a second performer (performer #2) strikes the stone fiercely and repeatedly with a 6 or 8 pound sledge hammer, until the stone is split into two or more pieces. Performer #1 is unharmed.
What is happening.
1. We commonly say the stone has absorbed most of the impact, but this is a vagary. It gives no understanding of the how and why this works.
The stone has a large mass as compared to the sledge hammer. The kinetic energy of the lighter and fast moving sledge hammer is transformed into a slow moving / short distance travel, of the stone.
In other words high speed / low mass, is traded for large mass slower speed and there fore less travel distance.
Upon the hammers striking of the stone, the kinetic energy in the hammer is transferred to the stone. The same kinetic energy that was present in the hammer is then present in the stone. But that kinetic energy is also transformed in its ratio of mass to speed. Greater mass with a lesser speed. Lesser
speed over a given duration of the event, results in a lesser distance traveled by the stone, than would have been traveled by a stone of a mass equal to that of the sledge hammer.
2. The energy present as the momentum of the sledge hammer is spread over the large surface area
of contact, between performer #1's chest and the stone.
In other words the force is redistributed.
Is this over unity ? No.
There are other aspects to and / or kinds of shielding, for example padding lengthens the time duration of an impact while also decreasing peak force. Stretch / elasticity, when an object's fall is arrested by a rope lengthens the time duration of an impact while also decreasing peak force and so on.
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continued
The magnetic force shielding methods presented have some characteristics in common with the sledge hammer and stone slab example.
The stone slab has a broad surface area against performer #1's chest, and a large amount of inertia due to its mass. The force is DISTRIBUTED over a large area.
A force shielding magnet redirects various of the magnetic forces to act at right angles, causing those force to be against the track or rail elements of the devices rather than against input energy / forces.
The force is placed upon the sliding tracks. It is DISTRIBUTED in such a manner that it cannot cause motion of the magnets. No motion equals no kinetic energy transfer / expenditure. But also the magnets can be moved along their tracks with out work against magnetic forces because those motions are at right angles to those magnetic forces.
The magnet force shielding differs in many and considerable ways from the stone and hammer example. Rather than inertia acting in a major way, in the magnet interactions. it is the interconnections of the magnets via the track elements of the devices which absorb, transform and limit the kinetic energy. This manifests as 90 degree change in direction of force and change in the ratio of force to displacement.
In other words the magnets are bound / limited in their motions to specific directions by the tracks, but also, the tracks are rigidly connected to each other. This rigid contentedness, in a manner of speaking, takes the place of the inertia aspect of the stone slab / hammer example.
There is then also that aspect present in magnet interactions which is not at all present in the hammer / stone example. Near balance of magnetic attraction with magnetic repulsion. This aspect in combination with the force per distance transformations and force redirecting allows for a variety of very effective magnetic force neutralizations and shieldings. The results of which can be dramatic Over Unity.
For a greater understanding of the subjects and if you wish, watch the videos or study the drawings.
best wishes
floor
P.S.
Magnetic energy is converted to mechanical energy, but
there are no violations of physic's laws presented here.
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Magnetic force shielding in action.
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x728wd9
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6gzr2q
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7f0i61
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7ffco0
Magnetic force neutralization in action.
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x59r978
Descriptive drawings and explanations @
https://overunity.com/18511/floors-magnets-explained/msg546300/#msg546300
floor
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Video @
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x728wd9
The above design I call "MagnetShield1"
Is a design in which, when I came back to it / tried it again on my bench
several months after my first round of looking into it...
It didn't work out well, at all....
I thought I was either loosing my mind or...
something....
I declared the design a bust / no go on this forum (another topic) at that
point in time. I even pulled the original video off line...
Turns out that my shielding magnet had radically altered itself in the interim time period
between my original examinations and that second much later, round of examinations
How ?
The shield magnet element of the design I used (still am using) was actually two magnets
that I glued together, edge to edge.
Those magnets are wafer shaped and the poles are on the broad faces.
When pressed together at their edges the two magnets could be oriented as either in
repulsion or as in attraction.
Either a N to N and a S to S meeting at the edges or
a N to S and a S to N meeting at the edges.
In this design, the shielding magnet is done out of two magnets edge to edge while
repelling each other ( N to N and S to S).
This was done not by intentional design, but rather because of improvisation.
I did not have a single magnet of the physical dimensions I needed. So I combined
two magnets with glue.
I realize that this results in a field shape that is distorted into something other than
that shape which a single magnet will produce. But I do not consider this as
having significantly impacted the out comes.
What did seriously impact those out comes, was the long time period during which
the two magnet remained glued to each other in repulsion.
One of the magnets dominated the other and significantly weakened it.
This in turn totally wrecked the force balancing required for effective
redirection / neutralization of the magnet forces !
After figuring all that out, I posted the original video on line again ( a long time ago), but it is
at a different link (can't do anything about that). And guess what. It really does kick ass.
floor
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There are 27 other short videos of many of these magnet interactions at
https://www.dailymotion.com/search/seethisvid/videos
My channel is called seethisvid
The videos are not monitized
floor
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I just caught an error / omission in my postings early in this topic.
@
https://overunity.com/18511/floors-magnets-explained/msg546305/#msg546305
This file InverseSquare1bPn.PDF
was accidentally left out of that post...
it is there now.
Also
I Just now deleted a large number of posts from this topic.
I am reorganizing this topic.
My goal is to be able to eventually present it as a coherent progression.
floor
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An addendum to the Magnets Motion and Measurment project as
"Magnets Motion and Measurment part 1-10 pdf"
attached below
floor