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Title: Floor's Magnets explained
Post by: Floor on June 01, 2020, 04:14:00 PM
This topic is the reorganization of a collection of information from another / prior topic here at the Over Unity forum which was called "Magnets Motion and  Measurement".  It is the product of many years of sharing and experimentation by an inspired global collective, of free energy researchers.

This topic's purpose is to aid magnet experimenters.

1. It gives some basic but valuable information / describes some physics basics, such as what is force, work / energy, power (87 pages worth)

2. It contains information on and explanations of, how to measure the energy present in simple magnet interactions. How can one know if there is over unity in a particular magnet interaction set ?

3. It describes and to some extent explains, a large number of force interactions which can occur between two or more magnets.

4. It contains the details and explanations of many ideas and experimentation which I and other users of the O.U. forum have performed.

5. It contains descriptions of and some explanations of effective forms / methods for the shielding of shunting of and manipulation of magnetic force.  These methods do not block magnetic fields.  They shunt them, and in many amazing, novel, useful and very powerful ways.

6. much more

   good hunting
        floor
Title: Re: Floor's Magnets explained
Post by: Floor on June 01, 2020, 04:43:51 PM
Files.  Several of them.  These are the lates revisions of a work in progress.  Input / corrections are
welcome and requested.  It is open source.
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LUMEN'S method

LUKE'S FORCE  and   FLOOR'S FORCE
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videos

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6gzr2q 

and 27 other videos demonstrating some of these interactions.
Title: Re: Floor's Magnets explained
Post by: Floor on June 05, 2020, 03:02:48 AM
A related older topic.

https://overunity.com/17097/magnet-force-shield/180/ (https://overunity.com/17097/magnet-force-shield/180/)

310 views here (floor's Magnets explained), and perhaps one person took the time to down load a PDF file or two.
              (most of the down loads here have been tests down loads by me)

Out of something approaching a half million views (all of the floor magnet topics combined) over the past seven years, thousands of PDF down loads have occured.

Out of thousands of downloads, perhaps by now, 100 people studied / understood them ?

Same old same old.

     best wishes
            floor
Title: Re: Floor's Magnets explained
Post by: Floor on June 13, 2020, 11:19:41 AM
@ Synchro

Firstly, thanks for the input.

I've heard it said that, and it has occurred to me that, Nature her self, might disallow over unity processes.  But then again maybe not.

I started out with magnet designs, by looking at rotating designs, and for the usual reasons  i.e.
to increase efficiency via conservation of momentum.

It's not that I am saying that efficiency should be totally disregarded.  But it occurred to me at some point in time, that looking for O.U. via the ever increasing of efficiency, was not a well reasoned approach. In fact, was not a reasoned approach at all, but rather, it is simply an approach which arises out of science and engineering's constant emphasis upon the need for efficiency.  It is an entrainment of  and limiting of our thinking processes.

A universe in which over unity could occur in conjunction with a complete rotational conservation of momentum might end itself very rapidly.  If such a universe ever existed, it might also have ended in very short amount of time. 

However, I have also concluded that some measure of conservation of momentum in conjunction with an over unity event, would need to be / must be permissible in order that over unity itself can be possible.
....   ....  ....  .... ....

Vectors...

All angles of force interaction are unique unto their self.
i.e. 
A bullet that encounters a flat steel wall at 20 degrees from parallel, exits that encounter at
at 20 degrees.
A bullet that encounters a flat steel wall at 35 degrees from parallel, exits that encounter at
at 35 degrees.

Kinetic energy transfer from the bullet to that steel wall and the loss of the speed of  the bullet are in relationship to the angle of their encounter.

Force interactions which are at 90 degree increments (0, 90, 180, 270) are especially unique.

Consider that an object which is moved at 90 degrees to the pull of gravity is not directly effected by gravity / no work is done either against or by gravity.  But even at 1 degree off from 90, any work done to move that object is either assisted by or opposed by gravity.  A pole which is completely plumb, experiences no gravitational forces which act to pull it over / side ways.

Also, there is a kind diminishing return effect in 90 degree relationships.  i.e. there is small difference between the force required to roll a bowling ball upon an inclined plane which is 1 degree off from horizontal, as compared to when the rolling is completely horizontal.  But also being very slightly off from vertical (180 degrees) makes little difference.  i.e. I can prevent a large heavy post from falling over, so long as it is near to vertical.  If it leans to very much of an extent, I must exert a great deal of force to bring it back to vertical.  Consider also, how little lifting an object is assisted by a using ramp which is only 1 degree off from vertical. 

Magnets in ways, behave very similarly.  But on top of this, magnets have both,  repelling and attracting forces !

                                    Only man is stupid enough to go with 90 degrees.

But building a self runner ? Go for it !
    floor
Title: Re: Floor's Magnets explained
Post by: Floor on June 13, 2020, 11:38:30 AM

@ synchro 1

Thaelin was considering a build using neodymium magnets in CITFTA 's topic @

https://overunity.com/18506/possible-magnet-motor-research-ideas/msg546335/#msg546335

I hope he finds the time to follow through with that.

  floor
Title: Re: Floor's Magnets explained
Post by: Floor on June 13, 2020, 12:05:05 PM
Look here....
@
https://overunity.com/17070/all-magnet-motor-td-based/msg498197/#msg498197
     regards
        floor
Title: Re: Floor's Magnets explained
Post by: synchro1 on June 14, 2020, 02:36:29 AM
I grew confused about the thread switch. You are correct about everything. The shield rotor needs a cog wheel and rachet mechanism. RPM is not a major factor.
Title: Re: Floor's Magnets explained
Post by: Floor on June 14, 2020, 02:49:01 AM
Thanks

I will copy and paste our entire conversation and drawings to over here.  Only missing my own extraneous requests to move the discussion to here.

   floor
Title: Re: Floor's Magnets explained
Post by: Floor on June 14, 2020, 03:32:13 AM

synchro1
Re: Magnet force shield
« Reply #198 on: June 13, 2020, 12:16:55 AM »

@Floor:

Have you thought about a latching mechanism that would hold the repulsion magnet in place while the shield magnet withdraws? The power stored in a spring by the repulsion magnet must be enough to return the shield and reposition the repulsion magnet. Have you imagined any mechanical set of simple levers, springs and gears to get it to power itself?

Two latches would allow the repulsion magnet to load and lock a spring. Start there to initiate the cycle and see what can work! That spring must first move the shield then release the repulsion magnet from the latch.

It would help to have a spring latch on the sliding shield magnet as well. Both the repulsion magnet spring and the sliding shield springs would be cocked and loaded in succession, but more power in the repulsion magnet spring.
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Re: Magnet force shield
« Reply #199 on: June 13, 2020, 12:49:22 AM »

Intersecting rack, pinion and barrel gear; coupled with the springs and latches, this gear package should get it to work. different gear ratios are possible with a center gear on the barrel, transforming power into distance.

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Re: Magnet force shield
« Reply #199 on: June 13, 2020, 12:49:22 AM »

synchro1
Re: Magnet force shield
« Reply #200 on: June 13, 2020, 01:06:23 AM »

Like this; The spring has to release and push the gear rack before the repulsion magnet is repositioned by the last bit of force. A spring with a center latch pin may help this to work! This would allow the spring to release part way to first move the shield magnet, then release completely to reposition the free moving repulsion magnet. The combination of the 3d printed gears and the double latching center pin springs can bring this concept to life!

The sliding shield magnet has to work against a weak latching spring that's loaded by the repulsion main power magnet spring.

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Re: Magnet force shield
« Reply #201 on: June 13, 2020, 03:01:09 AM »

    Quote

moving two shields from the ends to the center would half the pinion throw, double the rpm or power. the perpendicular rack is missing, but can be a complex package like above.

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Re: Magnet force shield
« Reply #201 on: June 13, 2020, 03:01:09 AM »

synchro1
Re: Magnet force shield
« Reply #202 on: June 13, 2020, 03:57:44 AM »

Here's an idea for a motor. The rotor with the shields pumps multiple connected repulsion magnets. Gravity returns them, but the power of the combined repulsion would be multiplied! This set of repulsion magnets would need a latch to keep them in position for maximum force. Six or eight tied together should generate many times the force needed to rotate the shield rotor. A screw axle through the center could rotate the shield rotor a notch at a time.

Floor
Re: Magnet force shield
« Reply #203 on: June 13, 2020, 11:16:26 AM »

@ Synchro

Firstly, thanks for the input.


 synchro1

Re: Magnet force shield
« Reply #205 on: June 13, 2020, 11:31:06 AM »

    Quote

Have you tried a vertical gate? The repulsion magnet, guided by craft sticks, can reposition by gravity this way and the repulsion force would be easy to gauge by it's elevation.
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Re: Magnet force shield
« Reply #205 on: June 13, 2020, 11:31:06 AM »

Floor

Re: Magnet force shield
« Reply #206 on: June 13, 2020, 11:47:37 AM »

Have not tried a vertical gate .

floor

synchro1

Re: Magnet force shield
« Reply #207 on: June 13, 2020, 11:54:10 AM »

Thanks. 7 grams to slide and 1 pound 5 ounces of repulsion force equals a 90 to one force ratio. Perhaps a top rotor in attraction could multiply this by a factor of two? The repulsion, attraction magnets spoked and axled through the center.
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Re: Magnet force shield
« Reply #209 on: June 13, 2020, 03:17:03 PM »

Here's the twin shield rotor attraction repulsion, gravity assisted axial pumper; Maybe 14 grams of force to power the rotors and 3 pounds of perpendicular axle pressure! That's a ratio of around 100 to 1! We can pulse the rotor with a magnet coil and add a ratchet latch.


This would operate a spring backed pancake pump extremely efficiently. A 3d molded frame would be ideal. The shield rotor connects to the bearing hub protruding from the casing and the bearing also allows the axle to slide.


synchro1
Re: Magnet force shield
« Reply #210 on: June 13, 2020, 10:20:19 PM »

this shows the frame braces and repulsion magnets for a monopole. the center sleeve bearing supports piston axle and moving magnets. the shield rotors connect top and bottom to the rim of the rotating hub on the sleeve bearings. 2 shield rotors need 2 sleeve bearings.

Floor
Re: Magnet force shield
« Reply #211 on: Today at 01:37:50 AM »


@ synchro

Is there a reason why you have not moved this over to the other topic as per my request ?

There is no momentum conservation advantage to a rotating platter, unless the shield magnet
array / arrays physical dimensions are long enough to continue the shielding during the return of the output magnet to its near / start position. Other wise, the platter would need to start and stop,  just as would a reciprocating shield.  Also the gap in the shielding, between the shields next arrival must be long enough to allow the output stroke to complete.

                 See JPG below. That design could of course be instead based upon a platter.
.... ..... ..... .....
I envision a low speed high force device.  Low speed means small losses due to resistance to acceleration,  because high speeds are never reached within the magnet assembly itself.

To conserve momentum, then becomes a little or no advantage proposition.

High speed / rotation so on, may be later accomplished in a second stage (gears).

  Just my take on it though.
             floor

Floor
Re: Magnet force shield
« Reply #213 on: Today at 02:24:39 AM »

Qoute from synchro1

Here's an idea for a motor. The rotor with the shields pumps multiple connected repulsion magnets. Gravity returns them, but the power of the combined repulsion would be multiplied! This set of repulsion magnets would need a latch to keep them in position for maximum force. Six or eight tied together should generate many times the force needed to rotate the shield rotor. A screw axle through the center could rotate the shield rotor a notch at a time.

end of quote from synchro 1

This is not then a continuous rotation platter ?

The power is multiplied because all pumped magnets arrive at the non-shielding parts of the platter at the same time?

Pumped magnets latched at near position until fully exposed to the fixed magnets by the platter's rotation?

A shield magnet presents both a N and a S pole, to both, the fixed and pumped magnets, when the shield magnet is between those two ?

    Nice

      floor
Re: Magnet force shield
« Reply #214 on: Today at 02:34:47 AM »

Alternatively

The fixed and pumped magnets each present a N and a S pole to a single pole of a shield magnet?

   floor


 
Title: Re: Floor's Magnets explained
Post by: synchro1 on June 14, 2020, 02:14:17 PM
Our two designs do the same thing. Mine is vertical and yours horizontal. The vertical version permits us to connect the repulsion magnets to a spoke and central axle. A snapping rachet mechanism turning the shield rotor would help maximize force on the pump piston. A rotating "Step Motor" attached to the axle would power this beautifully.
Title: Re: Floor's Magnets explained
Post by: Floor on June 14, 2020, 06:31:34 PM
The design "floor(1) JPG" is a modification of another drawing I did and which I presented.  It is  modified to function similarly to your design.  It was easier to modify that old drawing, rather than draw your design from scratch.

Studying / contemplating your design, I saw an important detail.

Note...

1. The shielding magnet's path of travel is centered upon the faces of a fixed and an output magnet during its travel. 

2. Its travel is straight line, and its path remains constantly parallel to the faces of both the fixed and the output magnet.  (plane 1)

3. A shield magnet's travel must ALSO be straight line, in that plane (plane 2) which is at a right angle to the plane of the platter rotation / the plane parallel to the two (facing each other) faces, of the fixed and out put magnets.

4.  If a shield magnet's path of travel is curved, because the platter is round (it rotates), this will affect the amount of force / work done during insertion and removal of a shield magnet.

Some small deviation from straight line travel will likely have only a small effect.  But this would probably require a large platter diameter / curvature. 

I recommend testing before proceeding with a build.

  regards
   best wishes
     floor
Title: Re: Floor's Magnets explained
Post by: Floor on June 14, 2020, 06:51:10 PM
Quote from Synchro 1

"Have you thought about a latching mechanism that would hold the repulsion magnet in place while the shield magnet withdraws? "

End of quote

I came up with latch design some time ago.  Very low power consumption, but some what awkward / bulky.

I'll see if I can find it.

   floor
Title: Re: Floor's Magnets explained
Post by: Floor on June 14, 2020, 07:35:03 PM
Latch design
Title: Re: Floor's Magnets explained
Post by: synchro1 on June 14, 2020, 07:59:48 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjjv5NIT-54&list=PLhoXNQqrCmEfAaTf0AfQ1Ztxmz2DoZiCk&index=5
Title: Re: Floor's Magnets explained
Post by: synchro1 on June 14, 2020, 08:03:26 PM

This mechanism transfers solenoid motion to the retraction of shield gate magnet pincers on the perpendicular:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pR_d4NTFNn4&list=PLhoXNQqrCmEfAaTf0AfQ1Ztxmz2DoZiCk&index=7 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pR_d4NTFNn4&list=PLhoXNQqrCmEfAaTf0AfQ1Ztxmz2DoZiCk&index=7)


We would need to latch the repulsion magnet. Now, the question is: Would the force of the rising repulsion magnet equal or exceed the force needed to close the scissor shield allowing the repulsion magnet to reposition itself by force of gravity?


Any amount of power over what it would take for the repulsion magnet to trigger the Shield gates is what the power of the OU pump would achieve.


Title: Re: Floor's Magnets explained
Post by: synchro1 on June 14, 2020, 08:34:41 PM

Here's a self timed crank slider gate mechanism: This gear alone would yield the gravity repositioning moment for the repulsion magnets. This one would eliminate the need for latches. "Inline magnets" would deliver the same force as the circular version!

We can run a super powerful (Clutch cushioned) pump with a tiny D.C. motor. The gear does all the work. The pump can have magnets positioned in a rectangular grid, and run trays of shield magnets..

A step motor solenoid and digital controller connected to a square tray of magnet sliders would work best!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFaLPuKkyAE&list=PLhoXNQqrCmEfAaTf0AfQ1Ztxmz2DoZiCk&index=197 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFaLPuKkyAE&list=PLhoXNQqrCmEfAaTf0AfQ1Ztxmz2DoZiCk&index=197)
Title: Re: Floor's Magnets explained
Post by: synchro1 on June 14, 2020, 11:14:59 PM

This retractable pen mechanism could rotate the shield rotor from pressure on the axle.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjByJMGfUpY
Title: Re: Floor's Magnets explained
Post by: synchro1 on June 15, 2020, 12:14:07 AM
A cube of magnets with racks attached to a central axle and twin solenoid stepper motors pushing and pulling bristling shield gates from each side between the repulsion rack magnets and the stators. The central axle would deliver the combined force of all the magnets in the cube up through the center, then reposition by gravity.

I am willing to invest money in the 3D design and printing of a cube frame with slider racks and center axle. Start with one cube of 8.
Title: Re: Floor's Magnets explained
Post by: Floor on June 15, 2020, 02:03:34 AM

@ Synchro 1

  Modified / repeat of  reply #19

The design "floor(1) JPG" is a modification of another drawing I did and which I presented.  It is  modified to function similarly to your design.  It was easier to modify that old drawing, rather than draw your design from scratch.

Studying / contemplating your design, I saw an important detail.

Note...

1. The shielding magnet's path of travel is CENTERED UPON the faces of a fixed and an output magnet during its travel.

IF the insertion of the shielding is NOT straight line, IT WILL NOT BE CENTERED throughout its course of travel between the stator and output magnets.

2. Its travel is straight line, and its path remains CONSTANTLY PARALLEL to the faces of both the fixed and the output magnet.  (plane 1)

3. A shield magnet's travel must ALSO be straight line, in that plane (plane 2) which is at a right angle to the plane of the platter rotation / the plane parallel to the two (facing each other) faces, of the fixed and out put magnets.

4.  If a shield magnet's path of travel is curved (plane 2), because the platter is round (it rotates), this will affect the amount of force / work done during insertion and removal of a shield magnet.

        (plane 3) is rt angle to platter face and from center of rotation to the circumference.

Some small deviation from straight line travel will likely have only a small effect.  But this would probably require a large platter diameter / curvature. 

I recommend testing before proceeding with a build.

  regards
   best wishes
     floor
Title: Re: Floor's Magnets explained
Post by: Floor on June 15, 2020, 02:08:29 AM
Otherwise and in the vernacular of our times, awesome !

              floor
Title: Re: Floor's Magnets explained
Post by: Floor on June 15, 2020, 04:01:33 AM
The only over unity that really count !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evN6DIGPIJM

   best wishes
          floor
Title: Re: Floor's Magnets explained
Post by: synchro1 on June 15, 2020, 03:58:16 PM
fork shield; forking the shield allows for a center spline. a second solenoid fork on the other side would half the throw and double the frequency.
Title: Re: Floor's Magnets explained
Post by: Floor on June 15, 2020, 08:43:14 PM
@ SYNCHRO 1

fork shield; forking the shield allows for a center spline. a second solenoid fork on the other side would half the throw and double the frequency.

I don't understand.
half the throw of what ?
double the frequency of what ?

   floor
Title: Re: Floor's Magnets explained
Post by: Floor on June 15, 2020, 08:52:05 PM
@ Synchro 1

Giving it more thought, in the CITFTA design a platter might work better than I at first thought.

This is may be particularly so, if the shield magnet is broad enough to cover the faces of the fixed and output magnets throughout its rotation ?

Some tests?

   floor

  PS
   I was mixing up / thinking of, two different shield designs.  Sorry.   
  I think you got this.
     regards

(up or down ?) magnetic force upon the platter while the shield is in place, will be upon the axle, with the leverage of the platter radius / diameter exacerbating it.  Create a counter balancing of those forces, on opposite sides of the platter ?


     floor
Title: Re: Floor's Magnets explained
Post by: synchro1 on June 16, 2020, 12:23:24 PM
All it needs is the wheel rim to attach the repulsion magnets to and the spline shaft. The shield rotor can turn on an encompassing bearing that collars the base of the spline shaft.
Title: Re: Floor's Magnets explained
Post by: Floor on June 16, 2020, 05:31:59 PM

Below we see two shields converging from opposite perpendicular directions. This halves the throw; Hence double speed.


OK I see.
Title: Re: Floor's Magnets explained
Post by: Floor on June 16, 2020, 06:48:57 PM
Quote from Synchro
    "I'm looking forward to your experiments!"
End of quote

Done.

Experiment  (A)

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7f0md2

Experiment (B)

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7f0i61

   floor
Title: Re: Floor's Magnets explained
Post by: Floor on June 17, 2020, 02:49:33 AM
More design considerations / details.

    best
      wishes
           floor
Title: Re: Floor's Magnets explained
Post by: Floor on June 17, 2020, 02:56:59 AM
Note

 the last drawing (above) "Synchro stuff 1-10"  does not actually represent / depict
CITFTA's build / design.

   floor
Title: Re: Floor's Magnets explained
Post by: synchro1 on June 17, 2020, 11:29:16 AM
A radial polarized cleat like the upper drawing? Your design called for a vertical curved shield like the one on the bottom, right?


Both the fixed and repulsion magnets can be shaped to match the cleats too, but polarized axially! (Through the thickness not side to side).
Title: Re: Floor's Magnets explained
Post by: synchro1 on June 17, 2020, 06:02:10 PM
A radial arc magnet with curving neutral zone must be assembled; Like the one on the right labled (No): 2 - 90 degree assembled radial arc shields positioned on a rotating table would pump stacks of axial polarized arcs without crossing any field lines.
Title: Re: Floor's Magnets explained
Post by: Floor on June 17, 2020, 07:23:54 PM
A radial polarized cleat like the upper drawing? Your design called for a vertical curved shield like the one on the bottom, right?


Both the fixed and repulsion magnets can be shaped to match the cleats too, but polarized axially! (Through the thickness not side to side).

@Synchro 1

Presently my intention has been to elucidate nuances of  the magnet interaction.

This is, just to shed some light, for your design considerations / decisions.

In the past, I looked at very many variations with the intention of arriving at an all rotational design.                                 I moved on.

Those designs relied upon repulsions and attractions where in, the forces are not 180 degree ones.
But rather glancing instead.  There is much less force available in the glancing / out put magnet sliding past the fixed magnet design approaches. 
                             Maybe look into those again some day.

Not what you and I have been looking at.  We have been examining a pulsed linear output.

Cool.

I think you understand well, the variables / parameters. 

Cool.

Depending upon if output magnet direction of motion is horizontal or vertical, the shield magnet
curvature (if you so design it as curved) is also dependent.   YES.   Its your call, your design, your choices.

Cool ?
I know it a lot to juggle.
No worries, no hurries.

         peace out
               floor
Title: Re: Floor's Magnets explained
Post by: Floor on June 17, 2020, 07:50:24 PM
@Synchro 1

Interactions between a "front side face" and a "back side face" are the main cause of the "sticky spot" during insertion / removal of a shield magnet (CIFTA build)

illuminated in the previously posted "floors brute force" video.   @

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7f0md2

I will do a test / video, to see if increasing the length (pole to Pole) of the fixed magnet in that video
can either decrease or eliminate that "far field" sticky spot.

If that works out to a no "sticky spot", It might be a lot simpler to use the CITFTA build / brute force design of shielding.

       I appreciate
          and others appreciate your efforts.
               floor
Title: Re: Floor's Magnets explained
Post by: Floor on June 17, 2020, 08:32:55 PM
As expected, my test shows that .....

There is a complete elimination of that "far field sticky spot", when sufficient distance exists between the N and S poles of the fixed magnet. 

            floor

drawings to follow
Title: Re: Floor's Magnets explained
Post by: Floor on June 17, 2020, 09:05:02 PM
Opinion.

I think a rotateing shield platter design can work and it will be easier to realize that build, if it is of the CITFTA type.  No curved magnets needed !


Title: Re: Floor's Magnets explained
Post by: Floor on June 18, 2020, 12:24:04 AM
Re last / DELETED drawing  /  I will post it in the floor sweeping bin.

Once again, I was lost in between two designs.

My last drawing was way out there in left field !  duh

sorry again.

So, some comparisons

The CITFTA build requires rack and pinyon linkage or similar mechanism.
The other design does not require this, but may show some increase in efficiency with it.

The CITFTA build allows some curvature of the shield path motion.  cool
The other design does not (unless the magnets are curved).  not so cool

The CITFTA build requires (when output magnets are in their near proximity) arriving at a force balancing point which is razor thin, before one can achieve an excellent shield travel freedom
The other design gives an ease of shield insertion whether the output magnet is near, far or middle.

.... ..... ...... ........ ......... ..........

what else ?

I'm done for now
later
floor
Title: Re: Floor's Magnets explained
Post by: Floor on June 18, 2020, 06:01:24 AM

1. Rack and pinyon linkage of output magnets.

2. Output magnets are a single pole on a face.

3. Shield magnets are a single pole on a face.

4. shield magnets mechanically likned / move in unison (left then right in drawing)

5. fine tuneing magnets.



https://overunity.com/18299/mgnetic-shield/dlattach/attach/173871/image//
Title: Re: Floor's Magnets explained
Post by: synchro1 on June 18, 2020, 07:16:56 PM
The CITFA shield rotor needs to self adjust up and down on a spring. The weight of the spoke wheel repulsion magnets needs to be enough to overcome the measured force resisting closure. The net power would be the ratio of difference as measured by CITFA. The shield rotor needs to lift with the repulsion magnets to eliminate the counter reinsertion force.

When in position, the weight of the overhead repulsion magnet spoke wheel would "sandwich" the newly positioned shield magnet down between the two stacks. The rotor shield needs to ride up and down on a spring as well as power around 90 degrees.


This pump would run like a CooKoo clock!
Title: Re: Floor's Magnets explained
Post by: Floor on June 18, 2020, 08:57:25 PM
@Synchro

          Thanks

            floor
Title: Re: Floor's Magnets explained
Post by: synchro1 on June 18, 2020, 11:52:18 PM
Nested sleeves, a slot key in frame bearing shaft, a latch and a pivot spring on the rotor spool. This design would require a second pulse coil positioned directly beneath the upper one to pulse the shield rotor in the retracted position. The weight of the falling repulsion magnet spoke wheel needs to be enough to compress the shield magnet and load the pivot springs at the base of the rotor shaft tube.


The hinged latch is then set in position and the power pulse turns the rotor 90 degrees and triggers the latch open. Springs can substitute for weight to press down on the rotor to supply the extra cocking force!
Title: Re: Floor's Magnets explained
Post by: Floor on June 19, 2020, 02:36:48 AM

Thanks.

yep,  keep tossing it around untill you zero in on one.

I hope you build it.


       best wishes
                flloor
Title: Re: Floor's Magnets explained
Post by: Floor on June 19, 2020, 02:41:32 AM
Best to design for / aim for the enabling of full proof measurements from the start.
       floor
Title: Re: Floor's Magnets explained
Post by: synchro1 on June 19, 2020, 03:19:34 PM
this pivot spring rotates at the top.
Title: Re: Floor's Magnets explained
Post by: synchro1 on June 19, 2020, 03:29:55 PM
The shield arm needs to position on the top a spool seated over the pivot spring cap with an I/D of 7/16".
Title: Re: Floor's Magnets explained
Post by: synchro1 on June 19, 2020, 07:38:01 PM
The pivot spring, pictured above, would seat in a wood block like below: A spool would sit on top. The spool would house the upper shaft, held in place by a slot key in the slider bearing in the frame on top, but the spool would have a smooth inner wall that the shaft would be free to turn, and slide up and down in. The repulsion force would need to compress the main spring overhead to store sufficient force to press the pivot spring below and lock the magnet sandwich in place with the hinged frame latch. This spring latch would be triggered open by a rotor cog. This would follow the main power pulse from the electro magnetic coil, forcing the shield magnet away from between the stack and recommencing the cycle.

This spring loaded design should work at any attitude not confined to gravitational orientation.


How does this Cookoo clock compare to CITFA's haymaker?
Title: Re: Floor's Magnets explained
Post by: Floor on June 20, 2020, 12:52:57 AM
1. Rack and pinyon linkage of output magnets in drawing.
OR the "OTHER METHOD" previously presented IN YOUR DESIGN OK.
Outer magnets MUST BE SO LINKED when using the CITFTA presented method.

2. Output magnets are a single pole on a face.

3. Shield magnets are a single pole on a face.

4. Shield magnets mechanically linked / move in unison (left and right in drawing),
                       ROTATING IN YOUR VARIATION.

5. ATTRACTION force between a SINGLE outer magnet and the shield would be GREATER than the REPELLING force of a SINGLE outer magnet and the shield (given that all the magnets which interact are near to identical in their capacity to exert force).

This is why the outer magnet which is in REPULSION TO THE SHIELD MUST be approximately TWO magnets stacked together for every ONE outer magnet which is ATTRACTED to the shield.

Other wise there will NOT be a near to balance of forces upon the racks and pinion gears, when the shield magnet is in its place between the outer magnets.  There are limits here.  e.g. 8 repelling magnets stacked will give a total repelling force which is LESS THAN than 2 times greater than 4 repelling magnets stacked.

6. Fine tuning magnets.  May or may not be needed.

7. These are, start action, that action completes / stops, then a next action starts and then it completes / stops and so on. There are no continuous motions.  There is no constantly moving element.

Synchro 1 quote

"The rotor shield needs to ride up and down on a spring as well as power around 90 degrees. "

End of Synchro 1 quote

Magnets are not springs.

When the shield magnet is in place between the outer magnets, there exist, both an attraction force and a repulsion force upon it. Both of these forces are combined / act upon the shield magnet and incline the shield magnet to move in a single / the same direction.

One will not be able to push a combination of,  the 2 outer magnets and the inner / shield magnet together except against magnetic forces. 

The shield will attract TO the one and REPALL from the other.  One would then need to compress the shield combined with the attracting outer magnet/s, against the repelling magnet/s.

Only a linking of the outer magnets in a manner effectively the same as illustrated, will allow
one to bring the outer magnets into near proximity with the inner magnet, and at the same time practically eliminate the work against magnetic forces along that line of travel.

Disregard the above if you are already aware of these factors.   (Its for other readers primarily).

"How does this Cookoo clock compare to CITFA's haymaker?"

It'll do.
Are you two competing for the O.U. prize ?   :)
Title: Re: Floor's Magnets explained
Post by: Floor on June 20, 2020, 01:01:40 AM
The design presented by CITFTA, but double / combined units.

below
Title: Re: Floor's Magnets explained
Post by: synchro1 on June 20, 2020, 01:44:42 AM
Maybe we really have an O.U. prize contender here, with a marriage of concepts. Inverting one side of the Rack and Pinion setup and adapting the configuration to the the Cookoo design.

CITFA measured .7 kg on the magnetic compression and 4.5 kg on the repulsion. adding perhaps an additional .3kg for the pivot spring would yield 3.5 kg's of O.U. force. We need to subtract the pulse power to arrive at an actual COP. The result is the 3 to 1 sheer to push pull advantage, just like the magnet pump, Looks like a winning combination! 
Title: Re: Floor's Magnets explained
Post by: Floor on June 20, 2020, 02:16:13 AM
rock on
Title: Re: Floor's Magnets explained
Post by: Floor on June 20, 2020, 05:50:23 AM
@ All readers

Mechanical work = force x displacement
                 or
Joules of energy = Newtons of force x meters of travel

Forces are not constant over the course of the magnet displacements.
We are not looking simply at the peak force x the displacement in each action.

The input energy present in each one of the 3 actions will be equal to the average
force in that action x the displacement in that action.

The output energy present will be in one action and will be equal to the average
force x the displacement during that action.

3 inputs
1 output

1. Shield installed = input 1
2. output magnets brought near to shield = input 2
3. Shield removed = input 3
4. output magnets repel = output 1

Any net gain will be output 1, minus the sum of inputs 1, 2 and 3..

There will be some friction losses which would not be not accounted
for by that measurement process.

  floor
Title: Re: Floor's Magnets explained
Post by: Floor on June 28, 2020, 08:42:25 PM
The important feature in this one is the self retracting shear magnet effect. We only need to power the shear magnet in one direction, because the attraction force pulls it back into place automatically.

I agree this a potentially advantageous feature.
Strictly speaking, that auto return of the "Trigger magnet" is an also, an out put.

But then again...
 the "shear off" of the trigger magnet is against the force (laterally) of two magnets combined as NS to NS.
....  .....  .....  .....  .....  ....  .....

Some one posted a link to the Kedron-Eden-Project web site in one of my toipcs (see the PDF below).  This was years ago. I think it might have been Lanka IV that posted it ? 

At that time I was just beginning to test magnet interactions (see first build JPG s below) 

I only measured the peak forces involved in the actions at that time ( no in integration of force over distance). 

I dropped that endeavor, upon finding the Kedron-Eden stuff.  I don't know     FIRST HAND
 if the shear WORK is less than the direct separation WORK. 

I have taken it as valid by trusting it / hear say only.

Again, I only measured the peak forces involved in the actions ( no in integration of  force over distance).
            peace out

Title: Re: Floor's Magnets explained
Post by: Floor on June 28, 2020, 08:54:26 PM
    PS

 Thanks

I had not seen that design / video before.

  regards

Here is the link to the Kedron Eden Project again

https://overunity.com/18511/floors-magnets-explained/dlattach/attach/176430/


   floor
Title: Re: Floor's Magnets explained
Post by: Floor on June 29, 2020, 10:30:56 PM
Keep in mind that these are....

first action
1. start
2. complete
3. stop

second action
1. start
2. complete
3. stop

and so on, or else O.U. efficiency is easily lost.
..... ..... ...... ...... .... ..... ..... .......
                         In your "counter balanced.PNG" drawing....
                                               Particularly
                             in regard to the shearing magnets motions...
In terms of the NET work done to the left..... and the Net work done to the right...
                                                    yes  SEPERATLY
                               the work done as in then out (LEFT side magnets)
                                                    is equal to
                                the work done as in then out (RIGHT side magnets)

If the force / distance curves, matched perfectly, they would cancel each other / balance to zero.
 
BUT... the force peaks / force curves of each of the two actions are out of synchronization.

Consequently, they might cancel 10% to 25% only.  I cant say exactly though, with out the actual curves to compare. 
Title: Re: Floor's Magnets explained
Post by: Floor on June 29, 2020, 11:18:57 PM
CITFTA build / rotates
Title: Re: Floor's Magnets explained
Post by: synchro1 on June 30, 2020, 03:18:45 AM
Pretty cool adaptation, but your Citfa rotor shows only a half way built design. How does it run?
Title: Re: Floor's Magnets explained
Post by: Floor on June 30, 2020, 06:05:12 AM
1.
When  the action sets are start, complete, stop, before the
next action set begins,  There are no continuous motions, and
there is no perpetual motion.   Energy storage MUST be utilized.
2.
A rotating shield designs that utilize long curving shields, curved stator
and curved rotor magnets, and has a pumping output, can conserve SOME
momentum involved in the functioning. But again Energy storage MUST be
utilized.
3.
A rotating shield designs that utilize long curving shields, curved stator
and curved rotor magnets, while the rotating output magnet is synchronized
to the counter rotating shield magnet, can rotate continuously.  It conserves
momentum by rotations.  However it relies upon WEAK shear forces
to cause the rotation.
.....   .....   .....   .....   .....   .....
                                   MODERATE COST TO BUILD DESIGNS

Designs which utilize reciprocating shield motion (insertion then removal) and
a pumping output action, are those which I have most often considered.  Shield
insertion and removal each, require very small energy input due to balanced forces.
                       
                       No rotation involved in the magnet interactions.

a. It is desirable to flatten the out put curve.
   a-1  pinion gear can serve as the means of both, the transmission of the OUTPUT
          and the RESETTING of the output magnets.
    a-2 the pinyon gear shares an axle with an eccentric pulley.  The eccentricity of
          that pulley, trades force for distance such that the OUTPUT curve is flattened.
b.  There is only one output.  There are 3 inputs.
    b-1 one output lifts 4 weight objects simultaneously.
    b-2 one weight object is lifted successively higher by each out put stroke. O.U.
    b-3 one weight object falls at the appropriate time in order to remove the shield.
    b-4 one weight object falls at the appropriate time in order to install the shield.
    b-5 one weight object falls at the appropriate time in order to bring the output
          magnets back to their start position.
    b-1 again.

That design uses pulleys, one way clutches, ratcheting and latches.  I have never fully
designed it.  I consider it fair game for external input to undo the latches and so on.

NOTE.

The force / distance curve of the shearing magnet in the Kedron Ednen Project PDF,
will vary with the shape of the magnet's polar faces, i.e. rectangle, square, round.

      regards
          floor
Title: Re: Floor's Magnets explained
Post by: Floor on June 30, 2020, 06:24:24 AM
Pretty cool adaptation, but your Citfa rotor shows only a half way built design. How does it run?

                                   @
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfDbx2m4lRw

  best wishes
      floor
Title: Re: Floor's Magnets explained
Post by: Floor on June 30, 2020, 11:58:47 PM
My call .... would be

Synchro1 CIFTA. JPG (rotating output magnets) ... no
rotating Shield ... no

CITFTA type ... yes

I would ...

four sets of output magnet stacks (lateral travel). This is 4 x and parallel output.

four shield magnets (lateral travel) reciprocating motion.

2 racks and 1 pinyon (output stroke and return stroke translated as the pinyon rotation).

Build that as a MODULE. 
Play with it and marvel. 
Kick back and contemplate. Your going to like it.
Then...  make the choices for the next module.

   regards
       floor
Title: Re: Floor's Magnets explained
Post by: Floor on July 02, 2020, 01:15:51 AM

MODIFIED  re posting of

author=Floor link=topic=18511.msg547514#msg547514 date=1593554327

My call .... would be

Synchro1 CIFTA. JPG (rotating output magnets) ... no
rotating Shield ... no

CITFTA type ... yes                         BECAUSE IT IS YOUR BUILD ITS YOUR CHOICE.

  But my preference would be

Magforshld1 Rpel   drawing 1 through 3 JPG    see below below.


                   but using 4 of those "Magforshld1 Rpel" magnet sets,
combined as in the Lumens innovation 2 PNG drawing below.

I would ...

FOUR sets of output magnet stacks (VERTICAL TRAVEL). This is 4 x and parallel output.

four shield magnets (lateral travel) reciprocating motion.

4 racks and 2 pinyon (output stroke and return stroke translated as the pinyon rotation).

Build that as a MODULE. 
Play with it and marvel. 
Kick back and contemplate. Your going to like it.
Then...  make the choices for the next module.

   regards
       floor
Title: Re: Floor's Magnets explained
Post by: Floor on July 02, 2020, 01:49:27 AM


"Magforshld1 Rpel"  Video demonstration @
                                      https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x728wd9

    floor
Title: Re: Floor's Magnets explained
Post by: Floor on July 04, 2020, 04:51:57 PM
Series magnet interactions for long output strokes ?


https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x70pgaf

also see the PDF file below

    floor
Title: Re: Floor's Magnets explained
Post by: Floor on July 04, 2020, 05:07:08 PM
LankaIV posted this link to a patent today @


https://overunity.com/18232/science-and-prediction/msg547667/#msg547667

Sounds like a similar kind of attraction / repulsion force balancing method.

floor
Title: Re: Floor's Magnets explained
Post by: Floor on July 04, 2020, 05:27:06 PM
I noticed the sliding resistance of the 2 rectangular locked shield magnets against one repulsion stack of 6, was practically nonexistent after the "Repulsion sticking" event.


Imagine a rectangular stacked magnet piston with the trigger slider in opposition but sticking in contact, rather then with poles in attraction like the tubes on the left?


the locking magnet spring and gap coil can relock it.

First Let me ask you to be really specific in your posts / don't leave us guessing.

"Imagine a rectangular stacked magnet piston with the trigger slider in opposition but sticking in contact, rather then with poles in attraction like the tubes on the left?"

i.e.  always / specify which drawings and so on you are referring to.
       explain your drawings / show polar orientations and so on.

Synchro 1 quote
"I noticed the sliding resistance of the 2 rectangular locked shield magnets against one repulsion stack of 6, was practically nonexistent after the "Repulsion sticking" event."
end quote

Assuming that you are referring to the

"Magforshld1 Rpel"  Video demonstration @
                                      https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x728wd9

1.  that shielding magnet is actually two wafer magnets glued together on edge
                       (I didn't have a single magnet of those dimensions).
2.  the poles are on the broad faces of the wafers.
3. although on edge, they are repelling one another.     
4. a single magnet, equal to the dimensions of those two combined would have
    been a better set up (those shield magnets are de-magnetizeing each other, not good)
5. if the output magnets are near or far, either way, the shield insertion / removal stick spot is very
    small.

     thanks
         floor
Title: Re: Floor's Magnets explained
Post by: Floor on July 05, 2020, 01:20:30 AM
In the "Lumens innovation 2 - b" JPG below
there are some additional notations.

              floor
Title: Re: Floor's Magnets explained
Post by: Floor on July 06, 2020, 07:39:04 AM
Really cheap build
Title: Re: Floor's Magnets explained
Post by: Floor on July 06, 2020, 03:56:24 PM
Why start, complete, stop matters
Title: Re: Floor's Magnets explained
Post by: Floor on July 07, 2020, 04:53:24 AM
I invented this diametric piston "Kundel" transmission; A natural power storage and spring action release mechanism. This power throw ratio may dovetail well with the shield rotor forces. Good observation!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6DzQOn4RTc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6DzQOn4RTc)

I searched "kundel" and found this @ ...

                              https://www.kundelmagnetics.com/


Title: Re: Floor's Magnets explained
Post by: Floor on July 07, 2020, 05:17:27 AM
@ All readers

Note...

These magnets devices are complex oscillating systems.

In some ways these solid / real world, magnets and their interactions,
give us analogies for other / related electromagnetic interactions / oscillating /
resonating circuits.

we see @

https://overunity.com/18511/floors-magnets-explained/msg547717/#msg547717
                a limitation in the functioning of a specific magnet interaction.

If the LOAD on the output is sufficiently light / unmatched, a quick withdrawal of the
shield magnet would cause much energy waste.
             i.e.  latching of the output must occur in order to prevent that energy loss.
                                                 however
If the LOAD on the output is sufficiently heavy / matched, a quick withdrawal of the
shield magnet is possible without much energy loss
             i.e. no "latching" of the output   or    in other words the load    is    the latching.

  best wishes
     floor
Title: Re: Floor's Magnets explained
Post by: Floor on July 08, 2020, 04:50:13 PM
This is a diagram of what I term "luc's force".
                 It will play into the interactions.

You can get a look at it in the   "MagForShldComplex 2-1.PNG"   drawing below
                                            also
               The first 2 minutes of this video....
          @      https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7f0i61        "Floor's balancing neutralization"
                                     and these videos
          @      https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5d7hdv      "Luc's 1"
          @      https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5d7ip9       "Luc's 2"
Title: Re: Floor's Magnets explained
Post by: Floor on July 08, 2020, 07:18:22 PM
For a look.....

With an applied  initial / peak force of 115 grams and an average force of 80 grams over the 6.144 mm as input, 
                        the twist drive as configured in the videos ....
will lift a constant 140 grams by 11.172 mm.

It converts linear motion into rotation at more than 200 % efficiency  (it is O.U.). 
                                                  But
When reversed (output mode becomes the input) it coverts rotation into linear motion
at over 200 % less than unity (under unity)

When operated cyclically the work is done then undone (no net gain).

                   @              https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6wfk0d

degrees on the scales converted to linear motion

0.27930 mm per degree

0.27930 x 22 degrees = 6.1446 mm

0.27930 x 40 degrees = 11.172 mm

                              seealso  the strange T. D. interaction in a drawing form @

https://overunity.com/16954/magnets-motion-and-measurement/msg543594/#msg543594

               regards
                  floor
Title: Re: Floor's Magnets explained
Post by: Floor on July 09, 2020, 12:17:23 AM
@ All readers

Title: Re: Floor's Magnets explained
Post by: Floor on July 11, 2020, 05:33:00 AM
Check this out...
Title: Re: Floor's Magnets explained
Post by: Floor on July 11, 2020, 05:57:37 AM
high efficiency latch
Title: Re: Floor's Magnets explained
Post by: Floor on July 11, 2020, 06:02:58 AM

... .... ..... .......

SEE BOTTOM OF PAGE 8
             @
https://overunity.com/18511/floors-magnets-explained/msg547863/#msg547863

... .... ..... ......
Title: Re: Floor's Magnets explained
Post by: Floor on July 12, 2020, 04:23:15 PM
@Synchro

A rebellion against some thing or some idea, is still a product of and
conditioned by, that which is being rejected.

One of the reasons (I think) we don't see magnet motors every where
is that,
                                 If
we simply reject  "the impossibility of Perpetual motion",
we have already limited our thinking to an image of O.U. as meaning
a device which is in constant or continuous motion. i.e  perpetual... motion.
                                   Devilish isn't it ?

mechanical work per unit of time = power
                             Or
energy per unit of time = power

work = force x displacement  (discounting acceleration against inertia)
                            Or
kinetic energy = 1/2 x mass x velocity squared
(as energy to cause acceleration against inertia)

Commonly, designers seek to improve the energy efficiency of mechanical
devices through circular momentum.  This is because it requires an input of
energy to accelerate an object against its inertia. 

It CAN be tremendously wasteful to accelerate an object over and over again,
                                    If
we can instead  maintain its momentum by a circular motion.
                                             But
the greater the mass of ...
               And
the greater the speed to which we accelerate an object to ....
               Then
the greater also, is the amount of energy we expend to cause that objects
acceleration
                                            But.
                                 Don't be in a hurry !

If we trade off
high speed
               for instead ...
high force ...
(and keep the mass low as possible).

we can avoid wasting energy in accelerations AS EFFICIENTLY AS IF WE WERE
MAINTAINING CONSTANT THE MOMENTUM !

                                  high force but slow moving

                                Then
convert it to high speed rotational later if we so desire !
Title: Re: Floor's Magnets explained
Post by: Floor on July 12, 2020, 09:18:32 PM
@ Synchro 1

Addendum
 
I do not claim expertise in magnets and its not for me to say,
what can and cannot be done.

The exchanges with you, exposure to your informations, designs
and ideas have been worth while.

You are welcome to continue your explorations here if you so desire.

   Thanks and
       kind regards
               floor

Title: Re: Floor's Magnets explained
Post by: Floor on July 13, 2020, 10:14:24 PM
@ All readers

Drop these assumptions if you want to understand the
                      "floor's magnets"
                              designs.

FALSE and yet almost always assumed as to what would be
needed in order for a mechanical magnetic device to self run :
 
Error 1. the device must have continuous motion in order to self run.
Error 2. the device must involve rotation in order to self run.

                We want it to self run, right ?
.... ..... ..... ...... .........
                                       NEXT
                  Because it would be easy to waste energy.

If one wishes to store energy from the output of a magnetic interaction, by
placing it into a mechanical spring, one would do well to consider these facts.

                        Given two magnets in REPULSION.
Magnet forces and spring forces, peaks, in their force to distance curves
                             are out of synchronization.

magnet
           force is greatest at the beginning of the repulsion (near)

                                   in contrast

spring
          force is greatest at the end of a springs compression
                           also
         force is greatest at the end of a springs stretch
... .... ..... ...... .......
                                NEXT
Between a given two permanent magnets, the attraction possible is almost always greater
than the repulsion possible.

Although in the context of the discussion of the balancing of magnetic attraction
force with magnetic repelling force, I frequently refer to attractions as being equal
to repulsions,
                           that balance generally, must be created by design.
... .... ..... ...... .......
                                NEXT
All for now..
Title: Re: Floor's Magnets explained
Post by: Floor on July 14, 2020, 01:17:08 AM
@ all readers
                                 NEXT

All told, these "floor's" topics have presented about 6 major variations in magnet powered design.
There are AT LEAST another 6, minor variations discussed in various topics.

Below are INCOMPLETE descriptive drawings of 4 of those designs.   

All of those designs (drawings below) are of a .......

START an action, COMPLETE that action , STOP that action ......

BEFORE a next action begins type (SCS).   

I think it is a given, that even within these "SCS" designs, if built efficiently enough, it might still be
workable, if some component were to be nearly complete in its motion, just as some other component's motion begins.  Be that as it may, I don't know to what advantage this would be.

There are yet other designs in which rotational and continuous motion elements are involved.  These are not discussed here.

Title: Re: Floor's Magnets explained
Post by: Floor on July 15, 2020, 02:49:24 AM
@ Synchro1

Its been thirty days for you to toss around design variations.

Will you give us one good shot of a set of explanation of how the device
should function.
i.e.
                      What it is intended to do. 
                            Why it should do it.

Thorough details, a few good drawings (clear) with each component labeled
                 like
explanations of what the various parts are for, why they move,
how they move, in what directions they move and so on,
what causes them to move.

  Last
    call
      are you in or out
          thanks
             floor
Title: Re: Floor's Magnets explained
Post by: synchro1 on July 15, 2020, 08:39:23 AM
Floor,


I spent a lot of time composing those comments you deleted. This is the last time I will ever post on any of your threads.
Title: Re: Floor's Magnets explained
Post by: Floor on July 16, 2020, 04:45:06 PM
    Peace
         out

                     floor
Title: Re: Floor's Magnets explained
Post by: Floor on July 21, 2020, 05:36:09 AM
I'm working on a set of measurements for another topic. 

In the interum, here is a short video of magnets cyclically giving
a net gain in work out.

            https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x728wd9

       floor