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Offline Floor

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Re: Floor's Magnets explained
« Reply #60 on: June 28, 2020, 08:54:26 PM »
    PS

 Thanks

I had not seen that design / video before.

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Here is the link to the Kedron Eden Project again

https://overunity.com/18511/floors-magnets-explained/dlattach/attach/176430/


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« Last Edit: July 02, 2020, 07:47:12 PM by Floor »

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Re: Floor's Magnets explained
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Re: Floor's Magnets explained
« Reply #61 on: June 29, 2020, 10:30:56 PM »
Keep in mind that these are....

first action
1. start
2. complete
3. stop

second action
1. start
2. complete
3. stop

and so on, or else O.U. efficiency is easily lost.
..... ..... ...... ...... .... ..... ..... .......
                         In your "counter balanced.PNG" drawing....
                                               Particularly
                             in regard to the shearing magnets motions...
In terms of the NET work done to the left..... and the Net work done to the right...
                                                    yes  SEPERATLY
                               the work done as in then out (LEFT side magnets)
                                                    is equal to
                                the work done as in then out (RIGHT side magnets)

If the force / distance curves, matched perfectly, they would cancel each other / balance to zero.
 
BUT... the force peaks / force curves of each of the two actions are out of synchronization.

Consequently, they might cancel 10% to 25% only.  I cant say exactly though, with out the actual curves to compare. 

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Re: Floor's Magnets explained
« Reply #62 on: June 29, 2020, 11:18:57 PM »
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Re: Floor's Magnets explained
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Re: Floor's Magnets explained
« Reply #63 on: June 30, 2020, 03:18:45 AM »
Pretty cool adaptation, but your Citfa rotor shows only a half way built design. How does it run?

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Re: Floor's Magnets explained
« Reply #64 on: June 30, 2020, 06:05:12 AM »
1.
When  the action sets are start, complete, stop, before the
next action set begins,  There are no continuous motions, and
there is no perpetual motion.   Energy storage MUST be utilized.
2.
A rotating shield designs that utilize long curving shields, curved stator
and curved rotor magnets, and has a pumping output, can conserve SOME
momentum involved in the functioning. But again Energy storage MUST be
utilized.
3.
A rotating shield designs that utilize long curving shields, curved stator
and curved rotor magnets, while the rotating output magnet is synchronized
to the counter rotating shield magnet, can rotate continuously.  It conserves
momentum by rotations.  However it relies upon WEAK shear forces
to cause the rotation.
.....   .....   .....   .....   .....   .....
                                   MODERATE COST TO BUILD DESIGNS

Designs which utilize reciprocating shield motion (insertion then removal) and
a pumping output action, are those which I have most often considered.  Shield
insertion and removal each, require very small energy input due to balanced forces.
                       
                       No rotation involved in the magnet interactions.

a. It is desirable to flatten the out put curve.
   a-1  pinion gear can serve as the means of both, the transmission of the OUTPUT
          and the RESETTING of the output magnets.
    a-2 the pinyon gear shares an axle with an eccentric pulley.  The eccentricity of
          that pulley, trades force for distance such that the OUTPUT curve is flattened.
b.  There is only one output.  There are 3 inputs.
    b-1 one output lifts 4 weight objects simultaneously.
    b-2 one weight object is lifted successively higher by each out put stroke. O.U.
    b-3 one weight object falls at the appropriate time in order to remove the shield.
    b-4 one weight object falls at the appropriate time in order to install the shield.
    b-5 one weight object falls at the appropriate time in order to bring the output
          magnets back to their start position.
    b-1 again.

That design uses pulleys, one way clutches, ratcheting and latches.  I have never fully
designed it.  I consider it fair game for external input to undo the latches and so on.

NOTE.

The force / distance curve of the shearing magnet in the Kedron Ednen Project PDF,
will vary with the shape of the magnet's polar faces, i.e. rectangle, square, round.

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Re: Floor's Magnets explained
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Re: Floor's Magnets explained
« Reply #65 on: June 30, 2020, 06:24:24 AM »
Pretty cool adaptation, but your Citfa rotor shows only a half way built design. How does it run?

                                   @
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfDbx2m4lRw

  best wishes
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Re: Floor's Magnets explained
« Reply #66 on: June 30, 2020, 11:58:47 PM »
My call .... would be

Synchro1 CIFTA. JPG (rotating output magnets) ... no
rotating Shield ... no

CITFTA type ... yes

I would ...

four sets of output magnet stacks (lateral travel). This is 4 x and parallel output.

four shield magnets (lateral travel) reciprocating motion.

2 racks and 1 pinyon (output stroke and return stroke translated as the pinyon rotation).

Build that as a MODULE. 
Play with it and marvel. 
Kick back and contemplate. Your going to like it.
Then...  make the choices for the next module.

   regards
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Re: Floor's Magnets explained
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Re: Floor's Magnets explained
« Reply #67 on: July 02, 2020, 01:15:51 AM »

MODIFIED  re posting of

author=Floor link=topic=18511.msg547514#msg547514 date=1593554327

My call .... would be

Synchro1 CIFTA. JPG (rotating output magnets) ... no
rotating Shield ... no

CITFTA type ... yes                         BECAUSE IT IS YOUR BUILD ITS YOUR CHOICE.

  But my preference would be

Magforshld1 Rpel   drawing 1 through 3 JPG    see below below.


                   but using 4 of those "Magforshld1 Rpel" magnet sets,
combined as in the Lumens innovation 2 PNG drawing below.

I would ...

FOUR sets of output magnet stacks (VERTICAL TRAVEL). This is 4 x and parallel output.

four shield magnets (lateral travel) reciprocating motion.

4 racks and 2 pinyon (output stroke and return stroke translated as the pinyon rotation).

Build that as a MODULE. 
Play with it and marvel. 
Kick back and contemplate. Your going to like it.
Then...  make the choices for the next module.

   regards
       floor

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Re: Floor's Magnets explained
« Reply #68 on: July 02, 2020, 01:49:27 AM »


"Magforshld1 Rpel"  Video demonstration @
                                      https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x728wd9

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Re: Floor's Magnets explained
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Re: Floor's Magnets explained
« Reply #69 on: July 04, 2020, 04:51:57 PM »
Series magnet interactions for long output strokes ?


https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x70pgaf

also see the PDF file below

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Re: Floor's Magnets explained
« Reply #70 on: July 04, 2020, 05:07:08 PM »
LankaIV posted this link to a patent today @


https://overunity.com/18232/science-and-prediction/msg547667/#msg547667

Sounds like a similar kind of attraction / repulsion force balancing method.

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Re: Floor's Magnets explained
« Reply #71 on: July 04, 2020, 05:27:06 PM »
I noticed the sliding resistance of the 2 rectangular locked shield magnets against one repulsion stack of 6, was practically nonexistent after the "Repulsion sticking" event.


Imagine a rectangular stacked magnet piston with the trigger slider in opposition but sticking in contact, rather then with poles in attraction like the tubes on the left?


the locking magnet spring and gap coil can relock it.

First Let me ask you to be really specific in your posts / don't leave us guessing.

"Imagine a rectangular stacked magnet piston with the trigger slider in opposition but sticking in contact, rather then with poles in attraction like the tubes on the left?"

i.e.  always / specify which drawings and so on you are referring to.
       explain your drawings / show polar orientations and so on.

Synchro 1 quote
"I noticed the sliding resistance of the 2 rectangular locked shield magnets against one repulsion stack of 6, was practically nonexistent after the "Repulsion sticking" event."
end quote

Assuming that you are referring to the

"Magforshld1 Rpel"  Video demonstration @
                                      https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x728wd9

1.  that shielding magnet is actually two wafer magnets glued together on edge
                       (I didn't have a single magnet of those dimensions).
2.  the poles are on the broad faces of the wafers.
3. although on edge, they are repelling one another.     
4. a single magnet, equal to the dimensions of those two combined would have
    been a better set up (those shield magnets are de-magnetizeing each other, not good)
5. if the output magnets are near or far, either way, the shield insertion / removal stick spot is very
    small.

     thanks
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Re: Floor's Magnets explained
« Reply #72 on: July 05, 2020, 01:20:30 AM »
In the "Lumens innovation 2 - b" JPG below
there are some additional notations.

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Re: Floor's Magnets explained
« Reply #73 on: July 06, 2020, 07:39:04 AM »
Really cheap build

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Re: Floor's Magnets explained
« Reply #74 on: July 06, 2020, 03:56:24 PM »
Why start, complete, stop matters

 

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