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Re: Floor's Magnets explained
« Reply #30 on: June 15, 2020, 03:58:16 PM »
fork shield; forking the shield allows for a center spline. a second solenoid fork on the other side would half the throw and double the frequency.

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Re: Floor's Magnets explained
« Reply #31 on: June 15, 2020, 08:43:14 PM »
@ SYNCHRO 1

fork shield; forking the shield allows for a center spline. a second solenoid fork on the other side would half the throw and double the frequency.

I don't understand.
half the throw of what ?
double the frequency of what ?

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Re: Floor's Magnets explained
« Reply #32 on: June 15, 2020, 08:52:05 PM »
@ Synchro 1

Giving it more thought, in the CITFTA design a platter might work better than I at first thought.

This is may be particularly so, if the shield magnet is broad enough to cover the faces of the fixed and output magnets throughout its rotation ?

Some tests?

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   I was mixing up / thinking of, two different shield designs.  Sorry.   
  I think you got this.
     regards

(up or down ?) magnetic force upon the platter while the shield is in place, will be upon the axle, with the leverage of the platter radius / diameter exacerbating it.  Create a counter balancing of those forces, on opposite sides of the platter ?


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Re: Floor's Magnets explained
« Reply #33 on: June 16, 2020, 12:23:24 PM »
All it needs is the wheel rim to attach the repulsion magnets to and the spline shaft. The shield rotor can turn on an encompassing bearing that collars the base of the spline shaft.
« Last Edit: June 16, 2020, 04:34:21 PM by synchro1 »

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Re: Floor's Magnets explained
« Reply #34 on: June 16, 2020, 05:31:59 PM »

Below we see two shields converging from opposite perpendicular directions. This halves the throw; Hence double speed.


OK I see.

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Re: Floor's Magnets explained
« Reply #35 on: June 16, 2020, 06:48:57 PM »
Quote from Synchro
    "I'm looking forward to your experiments!"
End of quote

Done.

Experiment  (A)

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7f0md2

Experiment (B)

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7f0i61

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Re: Floor's Magnets explained
« Reply #36 on: June 17, 2020, 02:49:33 AM »
More design considerations / details.

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Re: Floor's Magnets explained
« Reply #37 on: June 17, 2020, 02:56:59 AM »
Note

 the last drawing (above) "Synchro stuff 1-10"  does not actually represent / depict
CITFTA's build / design.

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Re: Floor's Magnets explained
« Reply #38 on: June 17, 2020, 11:29:16 AM »
A radial polarized cleat like the upper drawing? Your design called for a vertical curved shield like the one on the bottom, right?


Both the fixed and repulsion magnets can be shaped to match the cleats too, but polarized axially! (Through the thickness not side to side).

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Re: Floor's Magnets explained
« Reply #39 on: June 17, 2020, 06:02:10 PM »
A radial arc magnet with curving neutral zone must be assembled; Like the one on the right labled (No): 2 - 90 degree assembled radial arc shields positioned on a rotating table would pump stacks of axial polarized arcs without crossing any field lines.

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Re: Floor's Magnets explained
« Reply #40 on: June 17, 2020, 07:23:54 PM »
A radial polarized cleat like the upper drawing? Your design called for a vertical curved shield like the one on the bottom, right?


Both the fixed and repulsion magnets can be shaped to match the cleats too, but polarized axially! (Through the thickness not side to side).

@Synchro 1

Presently my intention has been to elucidate nuances of  the magnet interaction.

This is, just to shed some light, for your design considerations / decisions.

In the past, I looked at very many variations with the intention of arriving at an all rotational design.                                 I moved on.

Those designs relied upon repulsions and attractions where in, the forces are not 180 degree ones.
But rather glancing instead.  There is much less force available in the glancing / out put magnet sliding past the fixed magnet design approaches. 
                             Maybe look into those again some day.

Not what you and I have been looking at.  We have been examining a pulsed linear output.

Cool.

I think you understand well, the variables / parameters. 

Cool.

Depending upon if output magnet direction of motion is horizontal or vertical, the shield magnet
curvature (if you so design it as curved) is also dependent.   YES.   Its your call, your design, your choices.

Cool ?
I know it a lot to juggle.
No worries, no hurries.

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Re: Floor's Magnets explained
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Re: Floor's Magnets explained
« Reply #41 on: June 17, 2020, 07:50:24 PM »
@Synchro 1

Interactions between a "front side face" and a "back side face" are the main cause of the "sticky spot" during insertion / removal of a shield magnet (CIFTA build)

illuminated in the previously posted "floors brute force" video.   @

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7f0md2

I will do a test / video, to see if increasing the length (pole to Pole) of the fixed magnet in that video
can either decrease or eliminate that "far field" sticky spot.

If that works out to a no "sticky spot", It might be a lot simpler to use the CITFTA build / brute force design of shielding.

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Re: Floor's Magnets explained
« Reply #42 on: June 17, 2020, 08:32:55 PM »
As expected, my test shows that .....

There is a complete elimination of that "far field sticky spot", when sufficient distance exists between the N and S poles of the fixed magnet. 

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Re: Floor's Magnets explained
« Reply #43 on: June 17, 2020, 09:05:02 PM »
Opinion.

I think a rotateing shield platter design can work and it will be easier to realize that build, if it is of the CITFTA type.  No curved magnets needed !



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Re: Floor's Magnets explained
« Reply #44 on: June 18, 2020, 12:24:04 AM »
Re last / DELETED drawing  /  I will post it in the floor sweeping bin.

Once again, I was lost in between two designs.

My last drawing was way out there in left field !  duh

sorry again.

So, some comparisons

The CITFTA build requires rack and pinyon linkage or similar mechanism.
The other design does not require this, but may show some increase in efficiency with it.

The CITFTA build allows some curvature of the shield path motion.  cool
The other design does not (unless the magnets are curved).  not so cool

The CITFTA build requires (when output magnets are in their near proximity) arriving at a force balancing point which is razor thin, before one can achieve an excellent shield travel freedom
The other design gives an ease of shield insertion whether the output magnet is near, far or middle.

.... ..... ...... ........ ......... ..........

what else ?

I'm done for now
later
floor

 

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