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Title: Cyril Smith AKA Smudge builders group
Post by: hartiberlin on May 20, 2020, 07:01:25 PM
This is the new board from Cyril.Please add your posting here. Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: Cyril Smith AKA Smudge builders group
Post by: EMJunkie on May 21, 2020, 11:08:12 PM
Hello Smudge,

This is one of only a few threads I will be following, along with Nelson's and of course mine. Most threads here are completely off topic and irrelevant to any serious researcher.

Smudge, the Schrodinger Wave Equation applied to the Charged Particle in the Copper Wire, what are the Consequences of Wave Resonance in the form of Magnetic Field Standing Waves? I would really like to hear your detailed interpretation of this concept. It has not been touched upon hardly at all anywhere by most.

Great to have you aboard Smudge, I have read much of your musings, some I think is extremely close to what I have experienced.

Best wishes, stay safe and well,

   Chris Sykes

P.S: Would be great if more here got a little bit more serious and focused on the topic at hand!
Title: Re: Cyril Smith AKA Smudge builders group
Post by: ramset on May 22, 2020, 09:37:00 PM
Just a note, topic still under construction.

 
  Did speak with Cyril today [briefly] and sent him a link to this new board ,also Partzman will be assisting [when he has time]
so Smudge [Cyril} and Partzman will be moderators here at first.
hopefully many experiments can be modeled for the community.
respectfully  Chet K...PS for Clarity... topic is still not open yet..[have to ask Stefan to set Partzman as Moderator too...many documents will be shared here.
Title: Re: Cyril Smith AKA Smudge builders group
Post by: Smudge on May 23, 2020, 12:49:22 PM
Smudge, the Schrodinger Wave Equation applied to the Charged Particle in the Copper Wire, what are the Consequences of Wave Resonance in the form of Magnetic Field Standing Waves? I would really like to hear your detailed interpretation of this concept. It has not been touched upon hardly at all anywhere by most.
Hello EMJ,

If you look at the tiny wavelength for the stationary Schrodinger wave and compare it with the much much longer wavelength for practical magnetic standing waves you will find that the use of magnetic resonance is out of the question.  However if you asked me whether the Schrodinger wave can be altered by the presence of a magnetic field then that is a different question, and my answer would be yes.  But I would go on to say that it is probably the magnetic vector potential that plays its part there.  It is now generally accepted that an electric charge q (such as an electron) immersed in a magnetic vector potential A obtains a form of (hidden) momentum p = qA, and of course momentum p plays its part in the derivation of the Schrodinger equation.  And by some serendipity I have recently been made aware of something where this may well show up

The Zpower overunity device invented by Dr. James B. Schwartz uses Al and Bi plates that are presumably in contact with each other.  And within that structure are coils driven with alternating or pulsed current.  Now any contact between dissimilar metals will produce a potential difference and that voltage basically stems from the different chemical potentials of the two metals, which in turn come from the different energy levels of their Schrodinger wave functions.  So it may be expected that when we have two Al-Bi couples in series, both at the same temperature but one within a magnetic field while the other is not, then we might observe a voltage, just as we would if they were thermocouples used to measure a temperature difference.  Maybe it’s the A field we want across the one junction, and perhaps a reverse A field across the other junction.  It seems that some experimentation is worthwhile here.

Below is a paper I have just recently written giving more information.

Smudge 
Title: Re: Cyril Smith AKA Smudge builders group
Post by: EMJunkie on May 24, 2020, 05:24:29 AM


Hello Smudge, it is good to hear from you! I hope you are safe and well in these dire times!

If I may reply in between your post?


Hello EMJ,

If you look at the tiny wavelength for the stationary Schrodinger wave and compare it with the much much longer wavelength for practical magnetic standing waves you will find that the use of magnetic resonance is out of the question.



I agree, the Fundamental wave, at 2.8Ghz for EPR is not practical! The Wavelength vs the Wire length is not practical. But how about a Harmonic of the Fundamental? E.G: Harmonic: 25 Frequency: 83.45Hz and of course the Wire Length being the multiple of the Harmonic Interval?



However if you asked me whether the Schrodinger wave can be altered by the presence of a magnetic field then that is a different question, and my answer would be yes. 



This is important information! Of course, any external Magnetic Field giving rise to the Variables for Spin Procession Equation. A fundamental value changing the Procession value, as the external Magnetic Field changes, as does the Procession (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Precession) frequency.




But I would go on to say that it is probably the magnetic vector potential that plays its part there.  It is now generally accepted that an electric charge q (such as an electron) immersed in a magnetic vector potential A obtains a form of (hidden) momentum p = qA, and of course momentum p plays its part in the derivation of the Schrodinger equation.  And by some serendipity I have recently been made aware of something where this may well show up



Again this is important information!



The Zpower overunity device invented by Dr. James B. Schwartz uses Al and Bi plates that are presumably in contact with each other.  And within that structure are coils driven with alternating or pulsed current. 



For others, the material, Ferromagnetic, Diamagnetic or Paramagnetic all play a role in the Spin Polarisation, and of course the Spin Integer value. Aluminium is paramagnetic, Bismuth is diamagnetic. Observe below image taking into account the polarisation vs H. Some Images that others may not have ever seen before?



Now any contact between dissimilar metals will produce a potential difference and that voltage basically stems from the different chemical potentials of the two metals, which in turn come from the different energy levels of their Schrodinger wave functions. 



I am guessing the Spin Polarisation and the Energy levels, being under the influence of an External Magnetic Field to the Internal Magnetic Moment of the Spin Polarised Particle, e.g: Electron or other, this being the 2.8Ghz, or the Schrodinger Wave?



So it may be expected that when we have two Al-Bi couples in series, both at the same temperature but one within a magnetic field while the other is not, then we might observe a voltage, just as we would if they were thermocouples used to measure a temperature difference.  Maybe it’s the A field we want across the one junction, and perhaps a reverse A field across the other junction. 




If I may ask, is it your opinion that the Magnetic A Vector Potential is the Fundamental Potential? Or do you think it is an After Effect of another Fundamental Potential? If I may point out, if you did not already know, the Roy Meyers' Absorber, used a combination of Zinc+++ and Iron++, in conjunction with External Magnetic Fields in a similar way. The difference being: ‭0.7168‬ Volts.




It seems that some experimentation is worthwhile here.

Below is a paper I have just recently written giving more information.

Smudge


Experiment is always beneficial, I agree!

Thank You Smudge! I have read your paper, may take a few times to absorb the content! I always like to read a few times to make sure I have an idea of whats being talked about.

A Video I have had for some time: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3Y4LZ4oMLU seems to be gone from the net.

Best wishes, stay safe and well,

   Chris Sykes
Title: Re: Cyril Smith AKA Smudge builders group
Post by: EMJunkie on May 24, 2020, 05:35:04 AM


Hi Smudge,

Another video I have that seems to have disappeared from the net: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiTIjksJzgc

If you want to download, I use: http://www.youtube-d.com/

Best wishes, stay safe and well,
   Chris Sykes
Title: Re: Cyril Smith AKA Smudge builders group
Post by: Smudge on May 24, 2020, 05:12:47 PM
I agree, the Fundamental wave, at 2.8Ghz for EPR is not practical! The Wavelength vs the Wire length is not practical. But how about a Harmonic of the Fundamental? E.G: Harmonic: 25 Frequency: 83.45Hz and of course the Wire Length being the multiple of the Harmonic Interval?

This is important information! Of course, any external Magnetic Field giving rise to the Variables for Spin Procession Equation. A fundamental value changing the Procession value, as the external Magnetic Field changes, as does the Procession (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Precession) frequency.

IMO this is not spin precession related because, unlike ferromagnetic metals, neither Al or Bi create spin polarization of the conduction electrons.  The Schrodinger equation gives the probability distribution of electron position and is related to the Fermi energy, those pesky electrons are dancing about at Fermi velocities.  If they move through a non-uniform magnetic vector potential A field their momentum changes, hence even a static A field might have an effect.  It would be interesting to see what effect you get (if any) when you hold a neo magnet close to one thermocouple in a circuit pair.  Surely someone could do this simple experiment.  The alternating field in that Zpower device might be simply to get an AC output that can be transformed to useful voltages.

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If I may ask, is it your opinion that the Magnetic A Vector Potential is the Fundamental Potential? Or do you think it is an After Effect of another Fundamental Potential? If I may point out, if you did not already know, the Roy Meyers' Absorber, used a combination of Zinc+++ and Iron++, in conjunction with External Magnetic Fields in a similar way. The difference being: ‭0.7168‬ Volts.
I am not familiar with the Meyer work, I'll look into it.  And it is my opinion that the Magnetic A Vector Potential is the Fundamental Potential.
Regards
Smudge



Experiment is always beneficial, I agree!

Thank You Smudge! I have read your paper, may take a few times to absorb the content! I always like to read a few times to make sure I have an idea of whats being talked about.

A Video I have had for some time: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3Y4LZ4oMLU seems to be gone from the net.

Best wishes, stay safe and well,

   Chris Sykes
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Title: Re: Cyril Smith AKA Smudge builders group
Post by: Smudge on May 24, 2020, 05:27:30 PM
Correction.  I am aware of the Meyers work, it was brought to my attention on overunityresearch.com where I wrote the attached paper.  At age 86 I quite easily forget things.
Smudge
Title: Re: Cyril Smith AKA Smudge builders group
Post by: EMJunkie on May 24, 2020, 11:06:06 PM



Hello Smudge,

I must apologise, some of your post, I may have misinterpreted. With the greatest respect, I have noted where I am not sure I understand, so please forgive me.



IMO this is not spin precession related because, unlike ferromagnetic metals, neither Al or Bi create spin polarization of the conduction electrons. 



Oh, Smudge, my research and understanding has led me to a contradictory result. As I understand it, the Spin Polarisation is determined by the Material, Aluminium is paramagnetic, Bismuth is diamagnetic. Of course still having Spin Up and Spin Down Electrons, but the majority being in the direction specified? Your'e saying this is not correct?

You must excuse me, I am lost for words...



The Schrodinger equation gives the probability distribution of electron position and is related to the Fermi energy, those pesky electrons are dancing about at Fermi velocities. 



And a Wave Function, due to the Electron being a Particle and also a Wave. Normally very small as you pointed out, but never the less, a wave function, or a distribution of a wave function, yes I agree, and yes I see that. Also, that the wave function collapses when observed, thus no wave can then be observed and the Particle itself is then observed. E.G: No more Wave Function. This is true for all charged particles, having a Magnetic Moment.



If they move through a non-uniform magnetic vector potential A field their momentum changes, hence even a static A field might have an effect.



I will do the experiment if you can provide a Circuit of the requirements you would like to see? I have some thermocouples here and tons of Neo Magnets from the old days of research.



It would be interesting to see what effect you get (if any) when you hold a neo magnet close to one thermocouple in a circuit pair.  Surely someone could do this simple experiment.  The alternating field in that Zpower device might be simply to get an AC output that can be transformed to useful voltages.



If the output is directly electrically connected to the Al and Bi plates themselves, and the input it to small electromagnets, embedded inside the Al plate, via cutouts, then would this not be Polarising the Spin of the Al and Bi Plates, one being opposite to the other as I indicated in the above image? No?

Apologies, I am still confused about your statement, not understanding perhaps what your meaning was...




I am not familiar with the Meyer work, I'll look into it.  And it is my opinion that the Magnetic A Vector Potential is the Fundamental Potential.
Regards
Smudge



Very interesting, Thank You! I have been interested in the Magnetic A Vector Potential for a long time!

Many of my experiments point toward the Spin Polarisation, via a sort of Antenna Theory, which seems to be connected directly to the Schrodinger Wave Equation, being very beneficial to getting the best out of machines.

I mean no disrespect, and certainly not any intention to argue with you, only to clear up some fundamental aspects of the Technologies we have tried for so long to understand with a greater overall knowledge.

Best wishes, stay safe and well in these dire times,
   Chris Sykes
Title: Re: Cyril Smith AKA Smudge builders group
Post by: EMJunkie on May 24, 2020, 11:56:54 PM



Hi again Smudge, I think I understand why I misinterpreted your meaning, apologies, my mistake: Procession is not Polarisation.

I studied the book Spin Wave Technology by George J Bugh (https://www.amazon.com/Spin-Wave-Technology-Initial-Release/dp/097166160X), I found this very good information!

The below image of a Spin Wave Chain, resonant, almost like a Wave Guide. This is how I see the Copper Coils. It helps me get the best from my machines.

A Video can be seen here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hn46yfWDk0

It is ironic, the ZPower machine does support ideas along these lines. Focusing specifically on the Spin Polarisation of the Conductor itself! Procession is not Polarisation, so we do have to be careful, but the idea and concept can be closely aligned as you see in the video and image. One Spin Wave by itself is not enough! We must have Magnetic Standing Wave, two equal and opposite Spin Waves, each with opposite Spin Directions or Polarisation.

It has been found that the Electron is made up of a standing wave, Image also below, Article here: Resonant Standing Waves Comprise the Electron (http://www.human-resonance.org/electron.html)

For others, 1 Femto Second is equal to 1 Peta Hertz, that's: 1,000,000,000,000,000.00 Hz or One quadrillion Hertz. Don't forget the Harmonics!

Electrons radiate or absorb energy in the form of photons when they are accelerated. Photon energy can be expressed using any unit of energy. Among the units commonly used to denote photon energy are the electronvolt (eV) and the joule (as well as its multiples, such as the microjoule). As one joule equals 6.24 × 1018 eV. It is super interesting that this is also equal to the definition of One Ampere, 6.24 x 1018 electrons per second.

Best wishes, stay safe and well,
    Chris Sykes
Title: Re: Cyril Smith AKA Smudge builders group
Post by: EMJunkie on May 25, 2020, 02:36:24 AM


Any one for Room Temperature Superconductors from a few Copper Cu Coils? Or Aluminium (paramagnetic) and Bismuth (diamagnetic) Plates? Cooper Pair (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cooper_pair) is by very definition a Superconductor is it not? http://go.nature.com/2HUtUBg

Best wishes, stay safe and well,
    Chris Sykes
Title: Re: Cyril Smith AKA Smudge builders group
Post by: Smudge on May 26, 2020, 12:25:06 PM
As I understand it, the Spin Polarisation is determined by the Material, Aluminium is paramagnetic, Bismuth is diamagnetic. Of course still having Spin Up and Spin Down Electrons, but the majority being in the direction specified? Your'e saying this is not correct?

You use the word majority, and that is not correct (it would be correct for ferromagnetism).  It is a small minority that are in the direction specified.  The magnetic susceptibility of Al is +2.2x10-5, and that indicates how small the spin polarization is, it's too small to generally be of any practical use.  The magnetic susceptibility of Bi is -1.66x10-4 so again the spin polarization is small.  In both cases most of the spins have random orientation, only a small proportion (like 10-5 or 10-4) get aligned.  That is why I did not expect spin polarization to play its part here.

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I will do the experiment if you can provide a Circuit of the requirements you would like to see? I have some thermocouples here and tons of Neo Magnets from the old days of research.

Well it's just the case of using your thermocouples as though for temperature measurement, with one held at a known temperature (ambient or an ice bath) while the other is in the environment to be measured, except the environment is the presence of a magnetic field.  Bringing a magnet close to the junction will induce a voltage from that movement, so the meter/scope will go off scale.  You then wait to see whether the voltage returns to zero to see whether the presence of the static field has had an effect.  Because you are not sure that the small induced current during the magnet movement hasn't created an unwanted electro-chemical effect, like altering the contacting surfaces, you then remove the magnet and wait to hopefully see the voltage return to zero.   May need several runs to get the feel of things.

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If the output is directly electrically connected to the Al and Bi plates themselves, and the input it to small electromagnets, embedded inside the Al plate, via cutouts, then would this not be Polarising the Spin of the Al and Bi Plates, one being opposite to the other as I indicated in the above image? No?

Yes but only for a small proportion of electrons.  However the total number of electrons is huge, so you could be right.  It should show up in the simple thermocouple experiment if Al and Bi formed the thermocouples.

Regards

Smudge
Title: Re: Cyril Smith AKA Smudge builders group
Post by: Smudge on May 26, 2020, 01:01:00 PM
Hi again Smudge, I think I understand why I misinterpreted your meaning, apologies, my mistake: Procession is not Polarisation.
May I correct your computer's grammar, it is Precession, not Procession.

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The below image of a Spin Wave Chain, resonant, almost like a Wave Guide. This is how I see the Copper Coils. It helps me get the best from my machines.
As that is a spin wave progression along a chain of fixed magnetic dipoles, then each dipole is actually precessing about a fixed axis (in this case the vertical axis).  So spin waves can be linked to precessions.

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It is ironic, the ZPower machine does support ideas along these lines. Focusing specifically on the Spin Polarisation of the Conductor itself! Procession is not Polarisation, so we do have to be careful, but the idea and concept can be closely aligned as you see in the video and image. One Spin Wave by itself is not enough! We must have Magnetic Standing Wave, two equal and opposite Spin Waves, each with opposite Spin Directions or Polarisation.

It has been found that the Electron is made up of a standing wave, Image also below, Article here: Resonant Standing Waves Comprise the Electron (http://www.human-resonance.org/electron.html)

For others, 1 Femto Second is equal to 1 Peta Hertz, that's: 1,000,000,000,000,000.00 Hz or One quadrillion Hertz. Don't forget the Harmonics!
And with those numbers you are pointing out the impractibility of attempting to sync with those frequencies, even if you consider using a sub-harmonic.

If you really are interested in using frequencies and spins then the subject of spin precession is worth investigating.  Electron spin resonance (ESR) requires microwave frequencies that are beyond most experimenters, but nuclear magnetic resonance (NMR) does not.  Here is a paper suggesting some experimentation.  If there is interest I will set up a board to cover the work.

Smudge
Title: Re: Cyril Smith AKA Smudge builders group
Post by: ramset on May 26, 2020, 04:15:07 PM
Cyril
This NMR pdf musing is wonderful
Could you open a discussion/builders board?


IMO it serves many purposes
Especially for teaching and “how to” achieve
Or possibly achieve!


Remarkable gift for those who hope to understand
The driving mechanisms for NMR too


These documents and images in your pdf are wonderful
You make it so simple for such a potential return...
And I see pancake coils too !:,)


Much gratitude
And yes with the goal of a build !


Chet K
Title: Re: Cyril Smith AKA Smudge builders group
Post by: EMJunkie on May 27, 2020, 03:54:36 AM


Hello Smudge, Thank You, I have fixed my Spell Check: Precession is now set.

I did a quick test, using my thermocouple, with the Magnet at Room Temp, and I did not see a change bringing the thermocouple close to the Magnet. Image attached below:

Regarding the paper: Space Quanta Modulator, Clean Propulsion Power Now! Automotive Propulsion Tomorrow By Floyd A. Sweet. Ph.D. (http://www.hyiq.org/Downloads/Space-Quanta%20Modulator%20-%20Clean-Propulsion%20Power%20Now!.pdf)

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The number of turns per coil is determined by Faraday's law as quantized by Neumann. Stranded wire is used for ease of winding. This wire is specially insulated, and over this insulation is wound a current feedback winding spirally traversing the total length of the coil conductor. Also a voltage winding of considerably smaller wire and more turns is also wound axially, traversing the total length of the coil conductor.



A Friend and I did these experiments, Images attached below:

At certain frequencies, output power of a reasonable quantity is achievable. I did not manage to get that experiment to go Above Unity however. Now I have more experience, I believe more experiments would be worth doing, I will when I get some more time.

From my experience, the Electron, when under Pressure and Polarity, as I read in Floyd Sweets document: Magnetic Resonance by Floyd A. Sweet. PH. D (http://www.hyiq.org/Downloads/Magnetic%20Resonance%20by%20Floyd%20A.%20Sweet.%20PH.%20D.pdf)

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Using a more rigorous wavemechanics approach, S2 is replaced by S(S + 1), etc



I cant help but look into Wave Mechanics to make the Charge in the Conductive Wire, to Free Charge, and Accelerate this Charge down the Wire, as a Rail Gun does Permanent Magnets in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vo2-Qb3fUYs

All Charge having its own Magnetic Moment as you know.

Building Machines to mimic Superconductors seems to be the primary and strictly the only real path forward. It is true, Wave mechanics is a key to the approach.

My study of Floyd Sweet, he was set in stone on Standing Wave Mechanics:

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A nucleus with spin I, will have QI + 1 possible orientations in a magnetic field and 2J + 1 energy levels. For simplicity, consider a hydrogen atom in a molecule. The nucleus is a proton with a spin of 1⁄2 and its magnetic moment is either parallel or antiparallel to the field this produces energy levels as shown in Fig. 1(c), Fig. 1(b) electron spin moment in a magnetic field.

and...

Referring to the Jensen machine stated: natural magnetic resonance freq = 2.80GHz the nuclear magnetic resonance of a free electron when charges in magnetic states are induced by magnetic field the changes in states causes a condition called electron paramagnetic resonance, or EPR. The EPR of a free electron is 2.80 H MC. Where H is in gauss. This should be the initial state of the defining mathematical format.

and...

Resonance frequencies may be maintained quite constant at high power levels so long as the load remains constant. We are all familiar with AM and FM propagation, where in the case as AM, the voltage amplitude varies, and with FM, the frequency is modulated. However, the output power sees a constant load impedance, that of the matched antenna system. If this changes, the input to the antenna is mismatched, and standing waves are generated resulting in a loss of power.

and later...

If the directions of the two signals are such that opposite H-fields cancel and E-fields add, an apparently steady E-field will be created. The energy density of the fields remain as calculated above, but the value of the E-field will double from E / 2 to E.




My Experiments all point toward this being true. I just don't have all the theory correct yet. I have verified most of what Floyd Sweet wrote.

Best wishes, stay safe and well in these dire times,

   Chris Sykes
Title: Re: Cyril Smith AKA Smudge builders group
Post by: Smudge on May 27, 2020, 01:10:52 PM

Hello Smudge, Thank You, I have fixed my Spell Check: Precession is now set.
Thank you, that incorrect spelling was really annoying me.  I must be getting sensitive in my old age!

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I did a quick test, using my thermocouple, with the Magnet at Room Temp, and I did not see a change bringing the thermocouple close to the Magnet. Image attached below:
Thanks for trying that. 

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Regarding the paper: Space Quanta Modulator, Clean Propulsion Power Now! Automotive Propulsion Tomorrow By Floyd A. Sweet. Ph.D. (http://www.hyiq.org/Downloads/Space-Quanta%20Modulator%20-%20Clean-Propulsion%20Power%20Now!.pdf)
As far as I am aware Sparky had several ongoing projects that never materialized.  That use of a spiral winding around an insulated length of conductor that itself is then wound round a core is interesting.  Manelas did something similar.
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A Friend and I did these experiments, Images attached below:

At certain frequencies, output power of a reasonable quantity is achievable. I did not manage to get that experiment to go Above Unity however. Now I have more experience, I believe more experiments would be worth doing, I will when I get some more time.
Please do as that could lead somewhere.

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From my experience, the Electron, when under Pressure and Polarity, as I read in Floyd Sweets document: Magnetic Resonance by Floyd A. Sweet. PH. D (http://www.hyiq.org/Downloads/Magnetic%20Resonance%20by%20Floyd%20A.%20Sweet.%20PH.%20D.pdf)

That is mostly standard text book stuff dealing with particle resonance (precessions).  But he makes an error in stating that "natural magnetic resonance freq = 2.80GHz", it can be any value as determined by the magnetic field around which the electron precesses.  He does give the formula later in the same paragraph.

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I cant help but look into Wave Mechanics to make the Charge in the Conductive Wire, to Free Charge, and Accelerate this Charge down the Wire, as a Rail Gun does Permanent Magnets in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vo2-Qb3fUYs
I am not sure acceleration of charge down the wire is the right term to use.  Drift velocity is low because the electrons are not free to accelerate, the pesky Cu ions get in the way.  I would be more inclined to consider the the wavefront velocity down the wire which is definitely governed by wave mechanics, and that brings you into a practical realm well away from the Schrodinger wave equation.  And of course your wire wound around wire will have two different wave velocities so you could get some interesting effects.

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All Charge having its own Magnetic Moment as you know.

Building Machines to mimic Superconductors seems to be the primary and strictly the only real path forward. It is true, Wave mechanics is a key to the approach.

My study of Floyd Sweet, he was set in stone on Standing Wave Mechanics:

Not sure that is true, nowhere is there evidence that his machine actually relied on wave Standing Wave Mechanics.  I have a lot of Floyd Sweet stuff on my computer, and the so called MkII version mentioned in the pdf file below strikes me as being very interesting and dead easy to try, being simply two coils stuck between two slab magnets.

Smudge
Title: Re: Cyril Smith AKA Smudge builders group
Post by: EMJunkie on May 28, 2020, 02:24:21 AM


Thank You Smudge!

It is great chatting with you! Great insight can be obtained to an open mind! Thank You for the MarkII paper, I do have this and did study this.

In the below image, the same ideas are presented. Note the use of: "Reactive at Resonance", you know all this stuff already, more so for other readers.

If I may ask, did you ever meet Floyd Sweet?

His paragraph:

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In the specific case of positive charges moving to the right and negative charges to the left, the effect of both actions is positive charge moving to the right.

Current to the right is: I = da+ / dt + da- / dt.


Negative electrons flowing to the left contribute to the current flowing to the right.




I have verified this, one video showing this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5tTTYc1CcU, another verification of Standing Wave Mechanics in action.

I have a lot of evidence to support what Floyd Sweet said is true and correct. The Increment of Current is as Floyd Sweet told us: Verified.

Everything in Nature is based on Waves and Standing Waves: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzlTxzZS-uM - We have already discussed this in prior posts.

I have many documents here: Floyd Sweet (http://www.hyiq.org/Reference/Profile?Name=Floyd%20%27Sparky%27%20Sweet), including a transcription of Floyd Sweets Lab Notes.

Best wishes, stay safe and well,
   Chris Sykes
Title: Re: Cyril Smith AKA Smudge builders group
Post by: EMJunkie on May 29, 2020, 03:27:42 AM


In the above image, the portion marked "A Variation", the Inductive Coupling, if 1, the Inductive Coupling Coefficient of 1, Unity Coupling, then this is significant! Why?

The Energy in one Wire, must be Equal to, less losses, in the other wire - Right? I mean, this is basic Transformer Theory!

I mean The Mr Preva Experiment confirms the Idea Here, but again, as I have asked before, we get a Voltage Drop, why? I have shown how to fix this Voltage Drop Issue in my recent Videos, most have not picked up on this yet.

With the greatest respect, Smudge, if I may, your ideas and papers hint to 95% of what I have seen on the bench, I just think there is some theory missing. I wish, together, we could identify this last bit that appears to be 5% missing.

FYI: My Video series: Non-Inductive Coil Experiment. Links found in this post here (https://overunity.com/18464/partnered-output-coils-builders-group-moderated/msg545088/#msg545088).

If the Voltage, and because we have Electric Standing Wave, a Standing Electric Wave frormed by 2 Magnetic Fields being Equal and Opposite (See Below Image), then the Current can be very much greater! Current Amplification, again this has been verified, many here have done this experiment and understand it. So with minimal to no Voltage drop, and Current Amplification as has been shown, then we have a very serious path of investigation right in front of us.

Best wishes, stay safe and well,
   Chris Sykes
Title: Re: Cyril Smith AKA Smudge builders group
Post by: kolbacict on May 29, 2020, 07:10:00 AM
is it possible to replace the permanent magnets in this drawing with a dc coil?
https://overunity.com/18493/cyril-smith-aka-smudge-builders-group/dlattach/attach/175953/image//
Title: Re: Cyril Smith AKA Smudge builders group
Post by: EMJunkie on May 29, 2020, 07:53:40 AM
is it possible to replace the permanent magnets in this drawing with a dc coil?
https://overunity.com/18493/cyril-smith-aka-smudge-builders-group/dlattach/attach/175953/image//


Hi Kolbacict,

Is your post for Smudge or myself?

While I am answering, I was not going to bring this up, but since you ask, the question needs to be asked: What are the Magnets really doing?

My Members, Completely Awesome they are, have found that the Core, when biased up close to the Knee of the BH Curve, we have found an area that does give very good results. I believe Smudge does know about the Knee of the BH Curve also? It is very rarely talked about and even fewer real world experiments are done to show the effects here.

I need to quote Floyd Sweet:

Quote from: Floyd Sweet link=http://www.hyiq.org/Downloads/Space-Quanta%20Modulator%20-%20Clean-Propulsion%20Power%20Now!.pdf


Laboratory experiments dealing with magnetic fields support the concept that magnetic flux may be modulated by low level oscillatory means. However there is no lateral movement of flux. Rather, what happens is that the individual packets of quanta are polarized by the initiating and sustaining coherent force the field of the primary magnets or in special cases, electromagnets.




I believe this should answer your question?

Smudge, do you have anythingto add?

Best wishes, stay safe and well,
   Chris Sykes
Title: Re: Cyril Smith AKA Smudge builders group
Post by: Smudge on May 29, 2020, 05:31:37 PM
If I may ask, did you ever meet Floyd Sweet?
No I never had that pleasure.
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I have verified this, one video showing this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5tTTYc1CcU, another verification of Standing Wave Mechanics in action.
I don't see how that verifies the fact that electrons flowing in one direction is positive current flow in the other direction.  And neither is it a verification of Standing Wave Mechanics in action.  If anything it is a verification of Kirchoff's Laws.  It might put some minds at ease who have difficulty with how across two points in a circuit at a given potential difference current can flow in either direction, but that is simply a matter of whether one flow is a source and the other flow is a sink.
And in your next post
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The Energy in one Wire, must be Equal to, less losses, in the other wire - Right? I mean, this is basic Transformer Theory!
I don't consider the energy to be in the wire, the energy is being transported by the wire.  Clearly if we are to get overunity then classical Transformer Theory can no longer apply.   Transformer theory takes no account of the dynamical motions of the atomic dipoles responsible for the magnetization in the transformer core.  In the case of ferrite rods these are made by a process that creates grains that are single domains with their magnetic axes mostly aligned in one direction so as to obtain maximum permeability in that direction (along the rod).  Those tiny dipoles are not fixed, they precess about their local magnetic field at Larmor frequency.  They vary in frequency because the field is never uniform throughout the rod, and therefore there is no phase coherence so the precessions do not create an observable effect.  If something could be done to create some coherence of a significant number of that enormous quantity of precessing dipoles, then the transformer core can be a source of energy.  The transformer theory then needs modifying to include that source.   Those magnets attached to the ferrite rod create field regions where the Larmor frequency is low enough to be influenced phase wise by an applied low frequency RF field.  That could well explain the OU results obtained.  It's not standing waves created by magnetic fields travelling in opposite directions.
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If the Voltage, and because we have Electric Standing Wave, a Standing Electric Wave frormed by 2 Magnetic Fields being Equal and Opposite (See Below Image), then the Current can be very much greater! Current Amplification, again this has been verified, many here have done this experiment and understand it. So with minimal to no Voltage drop, and Current Amplification as has been shown, then we have a very serious path of investigation right in front of us.
Those forms of standing waves can be used to match source and load at different impedances, but not IMO for energy gain.  You use the words Current Amplification (normally this would be Current Magnification) but at the same time you get voltage reduction, there is no energy gain.

Smudge

Title: Re: Cyril Smith AKA Smudge builders group
Post by: Smudge on May 29, 2020, 05:37:21 PM
is it possible to replace the permanent magnets in this drawing with a dc coil?
https://overunity.com/18493/cyril-smith-aka-smudge-builders-group/dlattach/attach/175953/image//
Yes, but then you have loss of energy because we don't yet have room temperature superconductors.

Smudge
Title: Re: Cyril Smith AKA Smudge builders group
Post by: Smudge on May 29, 2020, 05:44:40 PM
While I am answering, I was not going to bring this up, but since you ask, the question needs to be asked: What are the Magnets really doing?

I have already answered that question, they provide the static field around which the atomic magnets in the ferrite precess.

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My Members, Completely Awesome they are, have found that the Core, when biased up close to the Knee of the BH Curve, we have found an area that does give very good results. I believe Smudge does know about the Knee of the BH Curve also? It is very rarely talked about and even fewer real world experiments are done to show the effects here.

IMO this is not what causes the OU.   

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Smudge, do you have anything to add?

Not at this stage except to ask if anyone is going to experiment with this?  I'll write a paper that deals with this in more detail when I have time.

Smudge
Title: Re: Cyril Smith AKA Smudge builders group
Post by: EMJunkie on May 29, 2020, 11:30:15 PM

Hi Smudge, Interesting reading, thank you for your posts.

Many machines that have shown Above Unity Results have no Core Material, thus having no core. A very important fact!

The only Polarisation and thus the only Precession that can occur is in the Copper Coils.

When you have written the paper, or even some simple instructions, I will do the experiments you would like to see Smudge!

If our theory was right, our society would already have machines powering our homes, but because we have to try to fit theories to machines we observe, that tell us our theories are incomplete at the very minimum, then we are made to look silly, fumbling in the dark, explaining what we see, the best we can, with the information we have.

I must ask, Smudge, would you mind giving reasons for the immediate ruling out of:

   1: Waves and Standing Waves in these machines.
   2: Floyd Sweet said: "Energy is a kind of Matter", you seem to avoid these ideas? Einstein's Mass Energy Equivalence.


When you mention "Source" and "Sink", isn't this, by definition, Positive Current and Negative Current? Please see the Argand Diagram Below. Floyd Sweet also said: "Similarly, if we take a mass with a gravity field around it and we move the mass and create a mass current, a new field is also created. It is a different kind of gravity field with no source and no sink.", I know, slightly different, but the same ideas are incorporated.

I believe you missed the point where I said, Current Amplification but fixing the Voltage Drop issue. The Voltage Drop was the problem others and myself had seen, but I show how to avoid this, to solve this problem in my last set of videos. So it now becomes possible to see Voltage and a Current Magnification.

Itsu (https://www.youtube.com/user/itsusable/videos) did a full set of experiments on The Mr Preva Experiment, videos appear to be removed. His videos did show Magnetic Fields opposing in the central plane, and currents opposite. If Itsu had experimented a little longer, he would have found how to avoid the Voltage drop problem.

Floyd Sweet was a Transformer expert, I think he took Transformer Theory to the next level, it seems most of my work does show basic Transformer theory to be the start of this Technology.

Best wishes, stay safe and well in these dire times,
   Chris Sykes
Title: Re: Cyril Smith AKA Smudge builders group
Post by: EMJunkie on May 30, 2020, 01:50:32 AM




I want to stress a point, very simple, the fundamental Goal:

   1: Amplify, or Magnify Voltage.
   2: Amplify, or Magnify Current.
   3: Do both during a specified Time Frame.


This is very simple, I have shown how to Amplify, or Magnify, Current. Floyd Sweet Told us how to do it! The Mr Preva Experiment tells us how to do it! Voltage is extremely simple to Amplify, step up, or the Time Rate of Change of B in proximity to the Conductor, and or, by Increasing B.

We Human Being's desperately need to avoid Over Complicating things when it is not necessary!

Best wishes, stay safe and well in these dire times,
   Chris Sykes
Title: Re: Cyril Smith AKA Smudge builders group
Post by: Smudge on May 30, 2020, 03:59:22 PM
Hi EM,
You said
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Many machines that have shown Above Unity Results have no Core Material, thus having no core.

We are dealing here with electromagnetic machines, and I know of no such OU machine that does not have some magnetic material, either as a core or as a permanent magnet.  It is within those materials that I see the possibility of extracting energy from the perpetual movements that take place inside atoms.  I mentioned only cores as the discussion was for transformers.

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The only Polarisation and thus the only Precession that can occur is in the Copper Coils.

That’s a bold statement that I would ask you to justify.  If you have studied atomic physics you will know that under space quantization there are a number of different parameters that are quantized to take on certain values, such as electron energy, orbital angular momentum vector, spin angular momentum vector, additional quantization of the vector sum of the orbital and spin vectors, magnetic quantum numbers restricting the permitted directions of the orbital and spin angular momentum vectors to the direction of an applied magnetic field.  Those permitted directions under these quantum rules force the orbital and spin vectors to precess around the applied magnetic field.  Thus precession is inherent in all atoms.

There are some people (like Joe Newman) who believe that their OU is due to precession in copper atoms, but I do not hold that view.  IMO it comes from precession within the permanent magnet’s atoms. 

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When you have written the paper, or even some simple instructions, I will do the experiments you would like to see Smudge!

Thanks, I will start a new board for that.

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I must ask, Smudge, would you mind giving reasons for the immediate ruling out of:

   1: Waves and Standing Waves in these machines.
   2: Floyd Sweet said: "Energy is a kind of Matter", you seem to avoid these ideas? Einstein's Mass Energy Equivalence.

Clearly machines can have waves and standing waves, but I don’t see these themselves as a practical source of anomalous energy.  When these waves exist in materials other than in free space then I do see the possibility of extracting energy from the quantum world that governs atomic spectra.  Not from any synchronization with the wave number inherent in the Schrodinger wave equation, but with the much different wave number of the precessions.  I am familiar with Einstein’s mass energy equivalence but I don’t care to think of energy flow as mass flow.  To convert energy to mass you have to divide by c2 which is close to 1017, so the equivalent mass for our practical energies is incredibly small.  There is another form of equivalent inertial mass, sometimes referred to as electrostatic mass or electrodynamic mass.  If there are electrodynamic forces on an electron determined by its acceleration, you can imagine the true inertial mass to have an additional component.  This is true for an electron accelerating within an electric scalar potential.   It is also true for a magnetic pole accelerating within a magnetic scalar potential.

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When you mention "Source" and "Sink", isn't this, by definition, Positive Current and Negative Current? Please see the Argand Diagram Below. Floyd Sweet also said: "Similarly, if we take a mass with a gravity field around it and we move the mass and create a mass current, a new field is also created. It is a different kind of gravity field with no source and no sink.", I know, slightly different, but the same ideas are incorporated.

What I don’t understand is this talk of positive current and negative current as though they are different things.  Current is current and it can flow in different directions.  So what!  The direction of current flow is not the direction of energy flow, so perhaps some people find this mystifying, but I do not.  There is other talk of positive and negative electricity: in positive electricity current flow heats a conductor whereas in negative electricity current flow cools a conductor.  That is a different “positive” and “negative” and nothing to do with the direction of the current.

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I believe you missed the point where I said, Current Amplification but fixing the Voltage Drop issue. The Voltage Drop was the problem others and myself had seen, but I show how to avoid this, to solve this problem in my last set of videos. So it now becomes possible to see Voltage and a Current Magnification.

I have not yet examined your videos so I can’t comment .

Smudge   
Title: Re: Cyril Smith AKA Smudge builders group
Post by: kolbacict on May 30, 2020, 07:12:52 PM
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   Many machines that have shown Above Unity Results
And are there such?
Title: Re: Cyril Smith AKA Smudge builders group
Post by: EMJunkie on May 31, 2020, 12:41:51 AM



Thank You Smudge for your reply.

I agree with Joe Newman, I believe Ed Leedskalnin was another, each Terminal having Magnets of opposite polarity coming out from each Electrical Terminal. Just one of his very simple experiments proposed in hie paper: "Edward Leedskalnin Magnetic Current".

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Now I will tell you what magnetic current is. Magnetic current is the same as electric current is a wrong expression. Really it is not one current; they are two currents, one current is composed of North Pole magnets and the other is composed of South Pole individual magnets in concentrated streams, and they are running one stream against the other stream in swirling, screw-like fashion, and with high speed. One current alone if it be North Pole magnet current or South Pole magnet current cannot run alone. To run one current will have to run against the other.

Now I will tell you how the currents are running when they come out of a car battery, and what they can do. Now get the equipment. First put a wooden box on the floor, open side up, cut two notches in middle so you can put a one-eighth of an inch thick and 18-inch long copper wire across the box. Put the wire one end East, the other West. Stay yourself West, put car battery South side of the box positive terminal East, negative terminal West, get two flexible leads and four clips to fit the battery and the bare copper wire, connect the East end of the copper wire with positive terminal, clip the West end of the copper wire with the West end of the copper wire with the West end flexible lead, leave the connection with negative terminal open.

Break two pieces of the steel fishing line one inch long, put each piece by middle across the copper wire, one on top of the copper wire and the other under, hold with your fingers, now touch the negative terminal with the loose clip, hold until the copper wire gets hot. Take them off; now you have two magnets, hand them up by the middle with fine thread. The upper magnet will hang the way it is now, but the one below will turn around. Break 5 inches long piece of the fishing line, put the middle of the wire across and on top of the copper wire, touch the battery, hold until the copper wire gets hot, dip the middle of the wire in iron filings, then you will see how long a magnet can be made with this equipment.

Break or cut several pieces of the hard steel fishing as long as to go between the poles of the U-shape magnet, now hold two pieces of the steel wire ends up and down, one wire South side of the copper wire, and the other North side, the lower ends just below the copper wire. Hold tight and touch the battery, hold until the copper wire gets hot, now hand them up by upper end just above the copper wire, touch battery, the South side magnet will swing South, and the North side magnet will swing North. Put two pieces on top of the copper wire, the ends just a little over the copper wire. Those ends lying on copper wire, one pointing South and the other North, hold tight, touch battery, hold until the copper wire gets hot, take off the one pointing South is South Pole magnet and the one pointing North is North pole magnet. Put one wire on top of the copper wire pointing South, other below pointing North. Magnetize, hang up by tail ends on the copper wire, touch battery, they both will swing South. Put one wire on tip of the copper wire pointing North, the other below pointing South, magnetize, hand up by tail end above the copper wire, touch the battery, both magnets will swing North.



It is easy to argue with such simplicity, but unless we have a better experimentally proven experiment to prove this wrong, then why would we?

Again, to me, this configuration is closely mimicking the Superconductor.

Like I posted, the Electron itself is a Standing Wave, Image below, so the Charge of the Electron, being that it is a Standing Wave, must therefore propose on a larger scale, the Standing wave can be made to do the same thing, creating a Charge in Space where there wasn't one.

Some are looking at exactly what I am trying to point out. Very interesting article here:


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CONFIRM A NEW SOURCE OF ENERGY FROM THE STARS

Researchers manage to demonstrate a strange quantum effect from which it is possible to extract a huge amount of energy
In a world where energy is everything, the finding of an international team of researchers could open the way to the exploitation of a new and almost inexhaustible energy source. The secret is to control a rare type of quantum reaction that takes place in the stars, predicted four decades ago but that until now could not be demonstrated.

In an article published in Nature, scientists from the Australian National University (ANU) and other institutions, including the United States Army Research Laboratory or the National Center for Nuclear Research in Poland, explain how they have achieved, for the first time , confirm the existence of the phenomenon known as Nuclear Excitation by Electron Capture (NEEC).

The phenomenon takes place in the heart of the stars and could be, in addition to a new energy source of incalculable potential, the key mechanism through which stars, throughout their evolution, manage to produce elements as heavy as gold or platinum. NEEC happens when an atom captures an electron. If the energy of motion of the electron (kinetics) and the energy required to capture it are given in the proper ratio, then the atom goes into a higher excited state. This increase in energy, however, has a high cost for the atom, which drastically reduces its life expectancy.

In other words, what was once a stable and long-lived nucleus becomes an overexcited nucleus and, therefore, must seek a new state of rest, either through an electromagnetic process known as internal conversion that forces an electron to "spit" out, either emitting a photon. The process was first described in the 70s of the last century, but until now no one had been able to prove its existence in the laboratory. Something that the authors of the Nature article have done.

To achieve this, the researchers turned to the ANU Heavy Ion Accelerator and the ATLAS accelerator at the Argonne National Laboratory in the United States. With those instruments, they created an exotic isotope, molybdenum 93, by "firing" beams of zirconium atoms at lithium nuclei. The resulting molybdenum atoms shot out at 10% the speed of light (about 30,000 km per second) to crash into the remaining lithium, leaving in its wake a series of highly charged ions.

In addition to the cosmological implications, confirmation of the NEEC effect makes access to the energy stored in longer-lived isomer nuclei possible. Lane suggests that the technique could, for example, create energy sources 100,000 times more powerful than current chemical batteries. "Our study," says the researcher, "has shown a new way of releasing stored energy in a long-lasting nuclear state, which the US Army Research Laboratory is interested in exploring further."

Ref: https://www.unmundodemisterio.com/home/confirman-una-nueva-fuente-de-energa-procedente-de-las-estrellas




All processes occurring directly between the Electrons inside the Insulated Copper wire and the Nucleus of the Copper Atom, on the Scale we are working with. Again, if you read my posts, Accelerating the Electron, under Electromagnetic Force, making it pop up to Higher Orbitals, then it spits out a Photon, and if there is 7.3 trillion of them, well we do have something to power many things then don't we...

An Interesting Read: https://science.sciencemag.org/content/364/6435/62.full


Quote from: Floyd Sweet" link="http://www.hyiq.org/Downloads/Space-Quanta%20Modulator%20-%20Clean-Propulsion%20Power%20Now!.pdf

The Space-Quanta Modulated Mark 1 Static Alternator

Laboratory experiments dealing with magnetic fields support the concept that magnetic flux may be modulated by low level oscillatory means. However there is no lateral movement of flux. Rather, what happens is that the individual packets of quanta are polarized by the initiating and sustaining coherent force the field of the primary magnets or in special cases, electromagnets.

As the low level oscillatory frequency (modulating frequency) from the oscillators pass through zero reversing polarity during . The quanta, being polarized, flip in synchronism with the modulating frequency, presenting a change in flux polarity varying with time determined by the period of the oscillator frequency.

Stationary field and stationary stator coils are featured in the machine. Except for a possible low level 60 Hz hum, the alternator is noise-less. There are no bearings or moving parts.



Quote from: Floyd Sweet link="http://www.hyiq.org/Downloads/The%20Space-Flux%20Coupled%20Alternator.pdf"


The feedback loop: Previously mentioned, you will more clearly see how the loop functions at the time you see the physical construction of the stationary armature of stator assembly. The underlying principal (forget Millikan’s experiment) has been derived in that magnetic effects vary on the square of the current. As the load on the machine increases, the volt-ampere product increases. The rate of flow of charges increases.

Quantum mechanics state not all electrons in copper are free to carry charges. Then it’s time to set the wheels in motion to free them from binding magnetic forces.

Once this is done, conductivity will improve and resistance decrease as we are dealing only with electrons. Copper will not change to another metal as atoms which are mostly empty space would have many electrons to spare anyway.

To free enough electrons to effect conversion would require magnetic forces approaching infinity.




Quote from: Floyd Sweet link="http://www.hyiq.org/Downloads/The%20Space-Flux%20Coupled%20Alternator.pdf"


The current and potential windings require relatively little power, and are applied in such a manner that rate of flow of moving charges may be accelerated beyond 1 ampere = 6.24 elestrons per ⁄ second. Thus the duty factor of the copper changes.

Losses diminish and more charges drawn from the now coherent space field flow at a faster rate as current to the load. This means as more current is required by varying loads more feedback magnetomotive forces free more electrons from binding forces complimented by potential magnetic forces of the orientated, coherent space field.



My Research leads me to believe Floyd Sweet spent every effort to concentrate on the Charge contained In-Side the Insulated Copper Wire, specifically the Cu Atom. To Free this Charge, then to make this Charge Move. Don Smith the same: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPvRWevd9V0 The Evidence is not just overwhelming, its self evident don't you think? I mean, it is this Charge we observe, we measure and we consider; Energy, but ony when this Charge is Moving! V x I, Voltage = 1 Volt = 1 Coulomb of Charge, I = 6.24 x 1018 Electrons per second past point P equaling One Ampere. Which can only be accessed if we strip off the Insulation from the Terminals of the Copper Wire.

Sorry Smudge, I don't see why this all seems so impossible, especially when all My Experiments support and prove this? I see so much resistance from others for the most obvious things and get quite frustrated sometimes.

It is easy to disagree with me and my theories, but like I said, there is some theory missing, or we would already have the tech and not be having this conversation!

Members on my forum are already well aware of this information.

Best wishes, stay safe and well,
   Chris Sykes

P.S: Floyd Sweet analogy of Spin Integer Changing, Energy Levels Changing, below and an example of an Air Core Energy Machine is posted below:
Title: Re: Cyril Smith AKA Smudge builders group
Post by: EMJunkie on May 31, 2020, 11:57:50 PM



I feel strongly, the above information I posted is extremely important information!

If the right Theory and the right Techniques were applied to the right Medium, then the Successes would no doubt skyrocket in this field!

Best wishes, stay safe and well,
   Chris Sykes
Title: Re: Cyril Smith AKA Smudge builders group
Post by: EMJunkie on June 01, 2020, 10:54:43 PM


Smudge, if i may, a question: If the Energy comes from the Core, then whats the Transfer Mechanism from the Core Material, past the Insulation, into the Conducting Copper Wire?

Best wishes, stay safe and well,
   Chris Sykes
Title: Re: Cyril Smith AKA Smudge builders group
Post by: Smudge on June 03, 2020, 12:09:41 PM
Hi EMJ,

You said

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Sorry Smudge, I don't see why this all seems so impossible, especially when all My Experiments support and prove this? I see so much resistance from others for the most obvious things and get quite frustrated sometimes.

It may be obvious to you but to me it is far from obvious.  I am not sure what you wanted to achieve by posting here, are you trying to get me to agree with you?  My background and experience tells me that you have it wrong and you are wasting your time trying to convince me otherwise.  If you are hoping to convince others then you do yourself no favours by quoting ground breaking research using particle accelerators costing billions finding exotic effects occurring at enormous energy levels as supporting your experimental findings.   

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Members on my forum are already well aware of this information.

Then that is the forum for any continuation of your work, not my forum.

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Smudge, if i may, a question: If the Energy comes from the Core, then whats the Transfer Mechanism from the Core Material, past the Insulation, into the Conducting Copper Wire?

The same as for any transformer, it is the magnetic vector potential, the A field.  The time rate-of-change of the A field creates a force on electrons and therefore can be considered as creating an E field.

Smudge
Title: Re: Cyril Smith AKA Smudge builders group
Post by: EMJunkie on June 03, 2020, 10:40:09 PM
Hi EMJ,

You said

It may be obvious to you but to me it is far from obvious.  I am not sure what you wanted to achieve by posting here, are you trying to get me to agree with you?  My background and experience tells me that you have it wrong and you are wasting your time trying to convince me otherwise.  If you are hoping to convince others then you do yourself no favours by quoting ground breaking research using particle accelerators costing billions finding exotic effects occurring at enormous energy levels as supporting your experimental findings.   

Then that is the forum for any continuation of your work, not my forum.

The same as for any transformer, it is the magnetic vector potential, the A field.  The time rate-of-change of the A field creates a force on electrons and therefore can be considered as creating an E field.

Smudge



Hi Smudge,

Interesting, as the Magnetic A Vector Potential is a Field, not contained in the Core, but outside the Core and specifically not a product of the Core, but a Product of the Magnetic Field Created by the Coils, the Core only guiding the Magnetic A Vector Potential. The Magnetic A Vector Potential being present with or without a Core, as Basic Transformer Theories Primary Energy Transfer Function.

It is clear, we have very different perspectives. No I have no wish for you to agree with me! I have read much of your musings, much of it is close, but lacks some important facts and concepts from my experience. All I was trying to do is give you some fresh perspective, perhaps the breakthrough to finish off your theories and complete them. My Members have running Machines, some are self running, but alas, there are no doors open here!

I wish you well Smudge, I have the greatest respect for you, however I see you are not open to explore the territory needed to finish.

Best wishes, stay safe and well in these dire times,

   Chris Sykes
Title: Re: Cyril Smith AKA Smudge builders group
Post by: conradelektro on June 04, 2020, 07:30:24 PM
So, what is going to be built here? Was it built before? Are there photos? Can one see a circuit diagram? What does it do?


Greetings, Conrad




Title: Re: Cyril Smith AKA Smudge builders group
Post by: ramset on June 05, 2020, 04:17:05 PM
Well,I see Chris has edited his post...Conrad , Chris did offer some assistance here with Smudge [help with builds]IMO if some builds are suggested with goals ?? [connect 1+1 and see result 2 ...[to prove a theory]

this could move forward , hopefully Smudge will see whatever Chris changed and comment.



Title: Re: Cyril Smith AKA Smudge builders group
Post by: Smudge on June 05, 2020, 05:37:39 PM
Interesting, as the Magnetic A Vector Potential is a Field, not contained in the Core, but outside the Core and specifically not a product of the Core, but a Product of the Magnetic Field Created by the Coils, the Core only guiding the Magnetic A Vector Potential. The Magnetic A Vector Potential being present with or without a Core, as Basic Transformer Theories Primary Energy Transfer Function.

Again what you say just shows how far apart we are in our perspectives.  The magnetic vector potential does exist inside the core and is a measure of the atomic current circulations that are spatially aligned there. 

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I have the greatest respect for you, however I see you are not open to explore the territory needed to finish.
I cannot explore your territory to help you finish.  My territory will be in the benches I open, the first one being exploring proton spin NMR territory.  https://overunity.com/18502/nuclear-magnetic-resonance-nmr/msg546019/#msg546019 (https://overunity.com/18502/nuclear-magnetic-resonance-nmr/msg546019/#msg546019)  That has resulted in utter silence so far.

Smudge
Title: Re: Cyril Smith AKA Smudge builders group
Post by: Smudge on June 05, 2020, 05:40:03 PM
So, what is going to be built here? Was it built before? Are there photos? Can one see a circuit diagram? What does it do?
Greetings, Conrad
Hi Conrad,
I will be starting separate boards for different devices.  The first one is already open
https://overunity.com/18502/nuclear-magnetic-resonance-nmr/msg546019/#msg546019 (https://overunity.com/18502/nuclear-magnetic-resonance-nmr/msg546019/#msg546019)

Smudge
Title: Re: Cyril Smith AKA Smudge builders group
Post by: ramset on June 05, 2020, 07:57:43 PM
Note to Conrad..I know you have built in tha past..if we can get you support pieces and bits ..
would you consider an experiment ?
I believe you did some very nice work as I recall [good equipment too ?
respectfully Chet K

 PS example of Pieces and bits would be the water jacket fixture in Smudges NMR PDF above [or whatever you lack....[realistically] .
////  also probably more "people" help too...
Title: Re: Cyril Smith AKA Smudge builders group
Post by: EMJunkie on June 06, 2020, 08:51:57 AM
Again what you say just shows how far apart we are in our perspectives.  The magnetic vector potential does exist inside the core and is a measure of the atomic current circulations that are spatially aligned there. 
I cannot explore your territory to help you finish.  My territory will be in the benches I open, the first one being exploring proton spin NMR territory.  https://overunity.com/18502/nuclear-magnetic-resonance-nmr/msg546019/#msg546019 (https://overunity.com/18502/nuclear-magnetic-resonance-nmr/msg546019/#msg546019)  That has resulted in utter silence so far.

Smudge



Smudge, so every Transformer should be Above Unity? This is what you are implying, indirectly! I should point out, several post back, you said Transformer Theory was not part of it?

I don't get where you are trying to go, of course the Energy Transfer mechanism is critical, and this aspect will always see a Lens'z Component, the Negative of the Source, even in your NMR Thread (https://overunity.com/18502/nuclear-magnetic-resonance-nmr/msg546019/#msg546019), this is not accounted for. I am confused, I see nothing but problems.

Any Output will be opposed, dampening your Q Factor, effectively no different from Any "Generator", Losses will be extreme, as it is by very definition a Symmetrical System!  ;)

My Members know what I mean here, they see the problem with this.

IHMO you need to think more about the Symmetry of Energy, the Symmetry of Energy Transformation Mechanisms and what defines the Asymmetry of such a System! Also why this is Important.

It should be well known that a Symmetrical System will always be Below Unity, Input = Output - Losses = Below Unity!

Best wishes, stay safe and well in these dire times,
   Chris Sykes


P.S: You are right, I am still missing part of the theory, I have perhaps 99%, missing a very small amount. I am working very hard to get the rest. For interested parties, 99% of my theory is Here (http://www.aboveunity.com/). This is why My Members are actively building Above Unity Machines.
Title: Re: Cyril Smith AKA Smudge builders group
Post by: Smudge on June 06, 2020, 10:21:30 AM


Smudge, so every Transformer should be Above Unity? This is what you are implying, indirectly! I should point out, several post back, you said Transformer Theory was not part of it?
Indeed? where did I say that.  I said transformer theory is incomplete.

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I don't get where you are trying to go, of course the Energy Transfer mechanism is critical, and this aspect will always see a Lens'z Component, the Negative of the Source, even in your NMR Thread (https://overunity.com/18502/nuclear-magnetic-resonance-nmr/msg546019/#msg546019), this is not accounted for. I am confused, I see nothing but problems.

Again this shows that we hold different viewpoints.

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Any Output will be opposed, dampening your Q Factor, effectively no different from Any "Generator", Losses will be extreme, as it is by very definition a Symmetrical System!  ;)

Yet you are forever promoting EPR which you consider OK, but for some reason NMR isn't OK!!  Can you explain why you consider NMR to be a Symmetrical System.

Smudge
Title: Re: Cyril Smith AKA Smudge builders group
Post by: conradelektro on June 06, 2020, 10:59:10 AM
@Smudge: your ideas and builder groups are very interesting and your papers explain the subject well.

@ramset: my activities and builds are child's play. I have almost no knowledge in electronics and electrical engineering.

I think that Smudge's ideas are very much in the field of material science and therefore are not accessible to laymen. In addition, one needs good electronics (built circuits and measurement equipment) to do the experiments, again expensive and not doable by a layman.

As I found, the new things to explore are in the very small (properties of atoms and of matter particles in general) or in the very big (cosmology, exoplanets, dark matter, dark energy). This needs very expensive equipment and much knowledge to do. Tinkering at home will not be sufficient.

I bought a 3D-printer and started to build electrostatic machines (generators and motors). And I ran into material science again (triboelectric series). What a bummer.

So, if you want to make progress you have to study the properties of matter. And you have to be able to create materials (mixing, manufacturing) according to certain specifications, which is expensive and hardly doable without industrial resources or specialised laboratories.

It is not the time of the gentleman home inventor as in the 19th century.

I always ask in the forums to be specific because many spin an endless tale without coming to the point or do not even say what they have construed. Smudge came to the point, nicely. It is pretty clear what he wants to do, but very difficult to actually do at home.

Which means, I am chickening out.

Greetings, Conrad
Title: Re: Cyril Smith AKA Smudge builders group
Post by: EMJunkie on June 06, 2020, 11:30:29 AM

Indeed? where did I say that.  I said transformer theory is incomplete.



Indeed, as follows:



Clearly if we are to get overunity then classical Transformer Theory can no longer apply.   Transformer theory takes no account of the dynamical motions of the atomic dipoles responsible for the magnetization in the transformer core.



Taken literally. Did you mean this litterally?



Again this shows that we hold different viewpoints.



What a great world we live in, where just because we have different view points, Gentlemen can make progress. A shared view is a perspective otherwise not thought of!



Yet you are forever promoting EPR which you consider OK, but for some reason NMR isn't OK!!  Can you explain why you consider NMR to be a Symmetrical System.




Hmm, not so much, I have tried to give EPR as a possibility, not so much as a solution. I did not say NMR was not ok, I think all perspective toward Charge, and the action of Freeing it and making it move is important! That is, weather it be NMR, EPR or BFF.

We agree, Charge has the following components:

   1: Charge.
   2: A corresponding Magnetic Moment.
   3: Spin Integer Value.
   4: Beauty!



Without Charge, this would be a boring old universe! Its what steers the needle of our Meters! Charge having Potential Difference, Charge having a Momentum, Current 1 Ampere = 6.24 x 1018 Electrons per second past point p, thus Volume Dynamics, V x I = P. A path of Kinetic Energy.

What makes Charge Move? What Free's Charge? What force can we use for Free to Free Charge? What happens when we Accelerate Charge? What does Insulation do to Charge? I mean the life of Charge is awesome! Its a Vacuum State Engine! A Zero Point Energy Engine! We know, at the Atomic level is is busy! Its zipping around doing its thing, but at our level its static, isnt that a real conundrum! Its not static at all, but appears to be static?

A simple piece of Insulated Copper Wire, filled to the brim of Zero Point Energy Engines, how to start them, get them to do what we want them to do, in an Asymmetrical Exchange?

Why Asymmetrical, Real Simple: 1 + -1 + 1 = 1, in normal Exchanges, the equation is: 1 + -1 = 0, Nadda, nothing left over, a used, spent System, a Symmetrical Exchange, less Losses, all Systems have losses, Below Unity.

I like you Smudge, we have passed our opinions, we do not see eye to eye, but we can still debate like gentlemen.

Best wishes, stay safe and well in these dire times.
   Chris Sykes

P.S: The NMR Generator, the Precession is directly opposed by the Output Coil, Symmetry exists between the Active Precession and the B Field component of the Output Coil:
Title: Re: Cyril Smith AKA Smudge builders group
Post by: Smudge on June 06, 2020, 12:49:43 PM
Taken literally. Did you mean this litterally?

Perhaps I was not clear, I should have said that transformer theory takes no account of the dynamical precessional motions of the atomic dipoles that are normally incoherent and therefore unobservable.

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P.S: The NMR Generator, the Precession is directly opposed by the Output Coil, Symmetry exists between the Active Precession and the B Field component of the Output Coil:
From Ramsey's observation that the the radiated energy exceeded the absorbed energy, in the NMR system overall Symmetry cannot exist.  Why do you say it does?

Smudge
Title: Re: Cyril Smith AKA Smudge builders group
Post by: bistander on June 06, 2020, 04:46:57 PM
...
It should be well known that a Symmetrical System will always be Below Unity, Input = Output - Losses = Below Unity!
...

Hi EMJunkie,

 "Input = Output - Losses = Below Unity"
Mistake?
Isn't unity where input = output? Over Unity where output is larger than input? That is what your equation shows. OU. Not Below Unity.

Regards,
bi
Title: Re: Cyril Smith AKA Smudge builders group
Post by: EMJunkie on June 06, 2020, 10:30:06 PM
Hi EMJunkie,

 "Input = Output - Losses = Below Unity"
Mistake?
Isn't unity where input = output? Over Unity where output is larger than input? That is what your equation shows. OU. Not Below Unity.

Regards,
bi


Hey Bistander,

In a Symmetrical System, Conventional Transformer for example, the Energy Transfer Mechanism is Symmetrical, this means: 1 + -1 = 0, which is Input = Output - Losses = Below Unity

Best wishes, stay safe and well,
   Chris Sykes
Title: Re: Cyril Smith AKA Smudge builders group
Post by: EMJunkie on June 06, 2020, 11:13:56 PM

Perhaps I was not clear, I should have said that transformer theory takes no account of the dynamical precessional motions of the atomic dipoles that are normally incoherent and therefore unobservable.



Ok, got you, understand.



From Ramsey's observation that the the radiated energy exceeded the absorbed energy, in the NMR system overall Symmetry cannot exist.  Why do you say it does?




The Output Coil has an Induced E.M.F in it via the Spin Precessional Frequency, or the Larmor Frequency - Yes?

This Induced E.M.F is a result of Faraday's Law of Electromagnetic Induction - Yes?

So, this must therefore mean, that Current in the Output Coil will Symmetrically Oppose the Larmor Frequency Precession of the Atoms that are precessing - This is Lenz's Law, Negative of the Source.

Images below:

Best wishes, stay safe and well,
   Chris Sykes
Title: Re: Cyril Smith AKA Smudge builders group
Post by: bistander on June 07, 2020, 03:41:59 AM

Hey Bistander,

In a Symmetrical System, Conventional Transformer for example, the Energy Transfer Mechanism is Symmetrical, this means: 1 + -1 = 0, which is Input = Output - Losses = Below Unity

Best wishes, stay safe and well,
   Chris Sykes

Hi EMJunkie,

Efficiency = (output power) / (input power) * 100%.
Example:
Input power = 100 watts, output power = 95 watts.
Efficiency = 95W / 100W * 100% = 95% .
100W went in and 95W came out as useable power. 5W was lost, wasted, converted to heat or however you want to characterize it, but those 5 watts come from the input power and do not end up in the intended output power. 5W are the losses.
So 100W - 5W = 95W. Input power - losses = output power.
Rewrite the equation like this:
100W = 95W + 5W. Input power = output power + losses.

Straight forward.

Attached screenshot from:

https://pressbooks.bccampus.ca/singlephasetransformers/chapter/transformer-efficiency/

Regards,
bi
Title: Re: Cyril Smith AKA Smudge builders group
Post by: EMJunkie on June 07, 2020, 03:49:51 AM
Hi EMJunkie,

Efficiency = (output power) / (input power) * 100%.
Example:
Input power = 100 watts, output power = 95 watts.
Efficiency = 95W / 100W * 100% = 95% .
100W went in and 95W came out as useable power. 5W was lost, wasted, converted to heat or however you want to characterize it, but those 5 watts come from the input power and do not end up in the intended output power. 5W are the losses.
So 100W - 5W = 95W. Input power - losses = output power.
Rewrite the equation like this:
100W = 95W + 5W. Input power = output power + losses.

Straight forward.

Attached screenshot from:

https://pressbooks.bccampus.ca/singlephasetransformers/chapter/transformer-efficiency/

Regards,
bi



Hey Bistander,

Your example is the same, confirming what I said, just with a different equation: Input = Output - Losses = Below Unity is the same as 95W / 100W * 100% = 95% = Below Unity, same thing!

   1: Input power = 100 watts.
   2: Output power = 95 watts.
   3: Losses = 5 watts


100 = (95 + 5) but in Energy Exchanges, the Energy must always be the same, so: 100 = 100 - 5 = 95 Watts, or 95% or Below Unity. You see? You get this way of thinking about it? All Systems have Losses! So again the Input = Output - Losses!

If you run a series of experiments and benchmark a Conventional Transformer, what I said will make more sense.

Best wishes, stay safe and well,
   Chris Sykes
Title: Re: Cyril Smith AKA Smudge builders group
Post by: bistander on June 07, 2020, 04:14:16 AM


Hey Bistander,

Your example is the same, confirming what I said, just with a different equation: Input = Output - Losses = Below Unity is the same as 95W / 100W * 100% = 95% = Below Unity, same thing!

   1: Input power = 100 watts.
   2: Output power = 95 watts.
   3: Losses = 5 watts


100 = (95 + 5) but in Energy Exchanges, the Energy must always be the same, so: 100 = 100 - 5 = 95 Watts, or 95% or Below Unity. You see? You get this way of thinking about it? All Systems have Losses! So again the Input = Output - Losses!

If you run a series of experiments and benchmark a Conventional Transformer, what I said will make more sense.

Best wishes, stay safe and well,
   Chris Sykes

Hi EMJunkie,
You say:
"Input = Output - Losses"

Using numbers from my example it is:
"100 = 95 - 5"

Using conventional math:
95 - 5 = 90

What am I missing?

Regards,
bi
Title: Re: Cyril Smith AKA Smudge builders group
Post by: EMJunkie on June 07, 2020, 04:19:06 AM
Hi EMJunkie,
You say:
"Input = Output - Losses"

Using numbers from my example it is:
"100 = 95 - 5"

Using conventional math:
95 - 5 = 90

What am I missing?

Regards,
bi



Hi Bistander,

No, youre not following the Math.

   1: Input = Output = This says, the Energy Exchange is from the Input to the Output, Output is equal to 100 watts. This an example of an Ideal System, with no losses.
   2: Input = Output - Losses, this says: 100 = 100 - 5, or Input = Output - Losses.


All you need to do is follow the Maths. its self explanatory.

Best wishes, stay safe and well,
   Chris Sykes
Title: Re: Cyril Smith AKA Smudge builders group
Post by: bistander on June 07, 2020, 05:04:38 AM


Hi Bistander,

No, youre not following the Math.

   1: Input = Output = This says, the Energy Exchange is from the Input to the Output, Output is equal to 100 watts. This an example of an Ideal System, with no losses.
   2: Input = Output - Losses, this says: 100 = 100 - 5, or Input = Output - Losses.


All you need to do is follow the Maths. its self explanatory.

Best wishes, stay safe and well,
   Chris Sykes

Hi EMJunkie,

OK, have it your way. But there are thousands of textbooks and tutorial websites that agree with what I show. Nobody else that I've ever seen, met or heard about does it your way.

Regards,
bi
Title: Re: Cyril Smith AKA Smudge builders group
Post by: EMJunkie on June 07, 2020, 05:11:41 AM
Hi EMJunkie,

OK, have it your way. But there are thousands of textbooks and tutorial websites that agree with what I show. Nobody else that I've ever seen, met or heard about does it your way.

Regards,
bi



Some people get it, some people don't. Sorry if it is too hard for you to understand!

Best wishes, stay safe and well,
   Chris Sykes
Title: Re: Cyril Smith AKA Smudge builders group
Post by: Smudge on June 07, 2020, 11:43:24 AM
The Output Coil has an Induced E.M.F in it via the Spin Precessional Frequency, or the Larmor Frequency - Yes?
Yes.
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This Induced E.M.F is a result of Faraday's Law of Electromagnetic Induction - Yes?
Yes
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So, this must therefore mean, that Current in the Output Coil will Symmetrically Oppose the Larmor Frequency Precession of the Atoms that are precessing - This is Lenz's Law, Negative of the Source.

Forgive me for correcting you but you have made errors in your statement.  Firstly Lenz’s Law is not an absolute negative, it clearly states that the load current in the output coil creates flux that opposes the change in the applied flux.  That is not an absolute negative, for sine waves it is a 90 degree phase shift.  That 90 degree phase shift of the Lenz flux means that there are regions throughout a full cycle where the Lenz flux opposes the applied flux, and there are regions where the Lenz flux adds to the applied flux.

Secondly within a transformer Lenz’s Law is only part of the mechanism whereby energy is transferred from the source feeding the primary to the load applied to the secondary, or within a mechanically driven generator energy is transferred from the drive shaft to the load.  Your statement “Lenz's Law, Negative of the Source” as an overriding law is incorrect.  If you had said that the power delivered to the load will Symmetrically oppose (apply a load to) the precession motion of the Atoms that are precessing, then I would agree.  But that precession motion is not of our making, it is perpetual and driven by the quantum forces of Nature.  Thus we are no longer talking about a closed system, it is an open system.

Smudge 
Title: Re: Cyril Smith AKA Smudge builders group
Post by: EMJunkie on June 08, 2020, 12:30:56 AM
Yes.Yes
Forgive me for correcting you but you have made errors in your statement.  Firstly Lenz’s Law is not an absolute negative, it clearly states that the load current in the output coil creates flux that opposes the change in the applied flux.  That is not an absolute negative, for sine waves it is a 90 degree phase shift.  That 90 degree phase shift of the Lenz flux means that there are regions throughout a full cycle where the Lenz flux opposes the applied flux, and there are regions where the Lenz flux adds to the applied flux.

Secondly within a transformer Lenz’s Law is only part of the mechanism whereby energy is transferred from the source feeding the primary to the load applied to the secondary, or within a mechanically driven generator energy is transferred from the drive shaft to the load.  Your statement “Lenz's Law, Negative of the Source” as an overriding law is incorrect.  If you had said that the power delivered to the load will Symmetrically oppose (apply a load to) the precession motion of the Atoms that are precessing, then I would agree.  But that precession motion is not of our making, it is perpetual and driven by the quantum forces of Nature.  Thus we are no longer talking about a closed system, it is an open system.

Smudge



A prototype will tell us who is right here wont it. When theory does not cut it, Bench work does!

Best wishes, stay safe and well,
   Chris Sykes
Title: Re: Cyril Smith AKA Smudge builders group
Post by: Smudge on September 08, 2020, 06:01:06 PM
I thought some people may be interested in my LH Rule for visualizing how the Curl operator applied to the magnetic vector potential A creates the resultant magnetic B field.

Smudge