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Author Topic: Cyril Smith AKA Smudge builders group  (Read 6733 times)

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Re: Cyril Smith AKA Smudge builders group
« Reply #30 on: June 03, 2020, 12:09:41 PM »
Hi EMJ,

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Sorry Smudge, I don't see why this all seems so impossible, especially when all My Experiments support and prove this? I see so much resistance from others for the most obvious things and get quite frustrated sometimes.

It may be obvious to you but to me it is far from obvious.  I am not sure what you wanted to achieve by posting here, are you trying to get me to agree with you?  My background and experience tells me that you have it wrong and you are wasting your time trying to convince me otherwise.  If you are hoping to convince others then you do yourself no favours by quoting ground breaking research using particle accelerators costing billions finding exotic effects occurring at enormous energy levels as supporting your experimental findings.   

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Members on my forum are already well aware of this information.

Then that is the forum for any continuation of your work, not my forum.

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Smudge, if i may, a question: If the Energy comes from the Core, then whats the Transfer Mechanism from the Core Material, past the Insulation, into the Conducting Copper Wire?

The same as for any transformer, it is the magnetic vector potential, the A field.  The time rate-of-change of the A field creates a force on electrons and therefore can be considered as creating an E field.

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Re: Cyril Smith AKA Smudge builders group
« Reply #30 on: June 03, 2020, 12:09:41 PM »

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« Reply #31 on: June 03, 2020, 10:40:09 PM »
Hi EMJ,

You said

It may be obvious to you but to me it is far from obvious.  I am not sure what you wanted to achieve by posting here, are you trying to get me to agree with you?  My background and experience tells me that you have it wrong and you are wasting your time trying to convince me otherwise.  If you are hoping to convince others then you do yourself no favours by quoting ground breaking research using particle accelerators costing billions finding exotic effects occurring at enormous energy levels as supporting your experimental findings.   

Then that is the forum for any continuation of your work, not my forum.

The same as for any transformer, it is the magnetic vector potential, the A field.  The time rate-of-change of the A field creates a force on electrons and therefore can be considered as creating an E field.

Smudge



Hi Smudge,

Interesting, as the Magnetic A Vector Potential is a Field, not contained in the Core, but outside the Core and specifically not a product of the Core, but a Product of the Magnetic Field Created by the Coils, the Core only guiding the Magnetic A Vector Potential. The Magnetic A Vector Potential being present with or without a Core, as Basic Transformer Theories Primary Energy Transfer Function.

It is clear, we have very different perspectives. No I have no wish for you to agree with me! I have read much of your musings, much of it is close, but lacks some important facts and concepts from my experience. All I was trying to do is give you some fresh perspective, perhaps the breakthrough to finish off your theories and complete them. My Members have running Machines, some are self running, but alas, there are no doors open here!

I wish you well Smudge, I have the greatest respect for you, however I see you are not open to explore the territory needed to finish.

Best wishes, stay safe and well in these dire times,

   Chris Sykes
« Last Edit: June 04, 2020, 12:57:01 AM by EMJunkie »

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Re: Cyril Smith AKA Smudge builders group
« Reply #32 on: June 04, 2020, 07:30:24 PM »
So, what is going to be built here? Was it built before? Are there photos? Can one see a circuit diagram? What does it do?


Greetings, Conrad





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Re: Cyril Smith AKA Smudge builders group
« Reply #32 on: June 04, 2020, 07:30:24 PM »
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Re: Cyril Smith AKA Smudge builders group
« Reply #33 on: June 05, 2020, 04:17:05 PM »
Well,I see Chris has edited his post...Conrad , Chris did offer some assistance here with Smudge [help with builds]IMO if some builds are suggested with goals ?? [connect 1+1 and see result 2 ...[to prove a theory]

this could move forward , hopefully Smudge will see whatever Chris changed and comment.




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« Reply #34 on: June 05, 2020, 05:37:39 PM »
Interesting, as the Magnetic A Vector Potential is a Field, not contained in the Core, but outside the Core and specifically not a product of the Core, but a Product of the Magnetic Field Created by the Coils, the Core only guiding the Magnetic A Vector Potential. The Magnetic A Vector Potential being present with or without a Core, as Basic Transformer Theories Primary Energy Transfer Function.

Again what you say just shows how far apart we are in our perspectives.  The magnetic vector potential does exist inside the core and is a measure of the atomic current circulations that are spatially aligned there. 

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I have the greatest respect for you, however I see you are not open to explore the territory needed to finish.
I cannot explore your territory to help you finish.  My territory will be in the benches I open, the first one being exploring proton spin NMR territory.  https://overunity.com/18502/nuclear-magnetic-resonance-nmr/msg546019/#msg546019  That has resulted in utter silence so far.

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« Reply #35 on: June 05, 2020, 05:40:03 PM »
So, what is going to be built here? Was it built before? Are there photos? Can one see a circuit diagram? What does it do?
Greetings, Conrad
Hi Conrad,
I will be starting separate boards for different devices.  The first one is already open
https://overunity.com/18502/nuclear-magnetic-resonance-nmr/msg546019/#msg546019

Smudge

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Re: Cyril Smith AKA Smudge builders group
« Reply #36 on: June 05, 2020, 07:57:43 PM »
Note to Conrad..I know you have built in tha past..if we can get you support pieces and bits ..
would you consider an experiment ?
I believe you did some very nice work as I recall [good equipment too ?
respectfully Chet K

 PS example of Pieces and bits would be the water jacket fixture in Smudges NMR PDF above [or whatever you lack....[realistically] .
////  also probably more "people" help too...

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Re: Cyril Smith AKA Smudge builders group
« Reply #37 on: June 06, 2020, 08:51:57 AM »
Again what you say just shows how far apart we are in our perspectives.  The magnetic vector potential does exist inside the core and is a measure of the atomic current circulations that are spatially aligned there. 
I cannot explore your territory to help you finish.  My territory will be in the benches I open, the first one being exploring proton spin NMR territory.  https://overunity.com/18502/nuclear-magnetic-resonance-nmr/msg546019/#msg546019  That has resulted in utter silence so far.

Smudge



Smudge, so every Transformer should be Above Unity? This is what you are implying, indirectly! I should point out, several post back, you said Transformer Theory was not part of it?

I don't get where you are trying to go, of course the Energy Transfer mechanism is critical, and this aspect will always see a Lens'z Component, the Negative of the Source, even in your NMR Thread, this is not accounted for. I am confused, I see nothing but problems.

Any Output will be opposed, dampening your Q Factor, effectively no different from Any "Generator", Losses will be extreme, as it is by very definition a Symmetrical System;)

My Members know what I mean here, they see the problem with this.

IHMO you need to think more about the Symmetry of Energy, the Symmetry of Energy Transformation Mechanisms and what defines the Asymmetry of such a System! Also why this is Important.

It should be well known that a Symmetrical System will always be Below Unity, Input = Output - Losses = Below Unity!

Best wishes, stay safe and well in these dire times,
   Chris Sykes


P.S: You are right, I am still missing part of the theory, I have perhaps 99%, missing a very small amount. I am working very hard to get the rest. For interested parties, 99% of my theory is Here. This is why My Members are actively building Above Unity Machines.

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Smudge, so every Transformer should be Above Unity? This is what you are implying, indirectly! I should point out, several post back, you said Transformer Theory was not part of it?
Indeed? where did I say that.  I said transformer theory is incomplete.

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I don't get where you are trying to go, of course the Energy Transfer mechanism is critical, and this aspect will always see a Lens'z Component, the Negative of the Source, even in your NMR Thread, this is not accounted for. I am confused, I see nothing but problems.

Again this shows that we hold different viewpoints.

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Any Output will be opposed, dampening your Q Factor, effectively no different from Any "Generator", Losses will be extreme, as it is by very definition a Symmetrical System;)

Yet you are forever promoting EPR which you consider OK, but for some reason NMR isn't OK!!  Can you explain why you consider NMR to be a Symmetrical System.

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Re: Cyril Smith AKA Smudge builders group
« Reply #39 on: June 06, 2020, 10:59:10 AM »
@Smudge: your ideas and builder groups are very interesting and your papers explain the subject well.

@ramset: my activities and builds are child's play. I have almost no knowledge in electronics and electrical engineering.

I think that Smudge's ideas are very much in the field of material science and therefore are not accessible to laymen. In addition, one needs good electronics (built circuits and measurement equipment) to do the experiments, again expensive and not doable by a layman.

As I found, the new things to explore are in the very small (properties of atoms and of matter particles in general) or in the very big (cosmology, exoplanets, dark matter, dark energy). This needs very expensive equipment and much knowledge to do. Tinkering at home will not be sufficient.

I bought a 3D-printer and started to build electrostatic machines (generators and motors). And I ran into material science again (triboelectric series). What a bummer.

So, if you want to make progress you have to study the properties of matter. And you have to be able to create materials (mixing, manufacturing) according to certain specifications, which is expensive and hardly doable without industrial resources or specialised laboratories.

It is not the time of the gentleman home inventor as in the 19th century.

I always ask in the forums to be specific because many spin an endless tale without coming to the point or do not even say what they have construed. Smudge came to the point, nicely. It is pretty clear what he wants to do, but very difficult to actually do at home.

Which means, I am chickening out.

Greetings, Conrad

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Re: Cyril Smith AKA Smudge builders group
« Reply #40 on: June 06, 2020, 11:30:29 AM »

Indeed? where did I say that.  I said transformer theory is incomplete.



Indeed, as follows:



Clearly if we are to get overunity then classical Transformer Theory can no longer apply.   Transformer theory takes no account of the dynamical motions of the atomic dipoles responsible for the magnetization in the transformer core.



Taken literally. Did you mean this litterally?



Again this shows that we hold different viewpoints.



What a great world we live in, where just because we have different view points, Gentlemen can make progress. A shared view is a perspective otherwise not thought of!



Yet you are forever promoting EPR which you consider OK, but for some reason NMR isn't OK!!  Can you explain why you consider NMR to be a Symmetrical System.




Hmm, not so much, I have tried to give EPR as a possibility, not so much as a solution. I did not say NMR was not ok, I think all perspective toward Charge, and the action of Freeing it and making it move is important! That is, weather it be NMR, EPR or BFF.

We agree, Charge has the following components:

   1: Charge.
   2: A corresponding Magnetic Moment.
   3: Spin Integer Value.
   4: Beauty!



Without Charge, this would be a boring old universe! Its what steers the needle of our Meters! Charge having Potential Difference, Charge having a Momentum, Current 1 Ampere = 6.24 x 1018 Electrons per second past point p, thus Volume Dynamics, V x I = P. A path of Kinetic Energy.

What makes Charge Move? What Free's Charge? What force can we use for Free to Free Charge? What happens when we Accelerate Charge? What does Insulation do to Charge? I mean the life of Charge is awesome! Its a Vacuum State Engine! A Zero Point Energy Engine! We know, at the Atomic level is is busy! Its zipping around doing its thing, but at our level its static, isnt that a real conundrum! Its not static at all, but appears to be static?

A simple piece of Insulated Copper Wire, filled to the brim of Zero Point Energy Engines, how to start them, get them to do what we want them to do, in an Asymmetrical Exchange?

Why Asymmetrical, Real Simple: 1 + -1 + 1 = 1, in normal Exchanges, the equation is: 1 + -1 = 0, Nadda, nothing left over, a used, spent System, a Symmetrical Exchange, less Losses, all Systems have losses, Below Unity.

I like you Smudge, we have passed our opinions, we do not see eye to eye, but we can still debate like gentlemen.

Best wishes, stay safe and well in these dire times.
   Chris Sykes

P.S: The NMR Generator, the Precession is directly opposed by the Output Coil, Symmetry exists between the Active Precession and the B Field component of the Output Coil:

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« Reply #41 on: June 06, 2020, 12:49:43 PM »
Taken literally. Did you mean this litterally?

Perhaps I was not clear, I should have said that transformer theory takes no account of the dynamical precessional motions of the atomic dipoles that are normally incoherent and therefore unobservable.

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P.S: The NMR Generator, the Precession is directly opposed by the Output Coil, Symmetry exists between the Active Precession and the B Field component of the Output Coil:
From Ramsey's observation that the the radiated energy exceeded the absorbed energy, in the NMR system overall Symmetry cannot exist.  Why do you say it does?

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Re: Cyril Smith AKA Smudge builders group
« Reply #42 on: June 06, 2020, 04:46:57 PM »
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It should be well known that a Symmetrical System will always be Below Unity, Input = Output - Losses = Below Unity!
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Hi EMJunkie,

 "Input = Output - Losses = Below Unity"
Mistake?
Isn't unity where input = output? Over Unity where output is larger than input? That is what your equation shows. OU. Not Below Unity.

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« Reply #43 on: June 06, 2020, 10:30:06 PM »
Hi EMJunkie,

 "Input = Output - Losses = Below Unity"
Mistake?
Isn't unity where input = output? Over Unity where output is larger than input? That is what your equation shows. OU. Not Below Unity.

Regards,
bi


Hey Bistander,

In a Symmetrical System, Conventional Transformer for example, the Energy Transfer Mechanism is Symmetrical, this means: 1 + -1 = 0, which is Input = Output - Losses = Below Unity

Best wishes, stay safe and well,
   Chris Sykes

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« Reply #44 on: June 06, 2020, 11:13:56 PM »

Perhaps I was not clear, I should have said that transformer theory takes no account of the dynamical precessional motions of the atomic dipoles that are normally incoherent and therefore unobservable.



Ok, got you, understand.



From Ramsey's observation that the the radiated energy exceeded the absorbed energy, in the NMR system overall Symmetry cannot exist.  Why do you say it does?




The Output Coil has an Induced E.M.F in it via the Spin Precessional Frequency, or the Larmor Frequency - Yes?

This Induced E.M.F is a result of Faraday's Law of Electromagnetic Induction - Yes?

So, this must therefore mean, that Current in the Output Coil will Symmetrically Oppose the Larmor Frequency Precession of the Atoms that are precessing - This is Lenz's Law, Negative of the Source.

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Best wishes, stay safe and well,
   Chris Sykes

 

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