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Title: Nelson Rocha Workbench
Post by: hartiberlin on April 30, 2020, 08:57:05 PM
Nelson Rochaa Devices

Please start in this thread over here.
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Many thanks.
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Title: Re: Nelson Rochaa Devices
Post by: ramset on May 10, 2020, 05:00:10 PM
Here a new beginning.
a mission statement from Nelson ...topic under construction

Quote I would like to greet the OU community and introduce a mildly controversial theme. It is directed
towards researchers of Tesla's bifilar pancake coils.
My intention in returning to this subject is related to performing experiments in the past with a
specific oscillator I developed some years ago. Interesting results were obtained with some good
practical applications, such as a resonant dielectric transformer-inverter.
No claim is made in any particular way, but rather there is a wish to develop something practical as
a functional system. A system of use to the community and documented to be easily replicated by
community users. An aim, is also to evaluate the efficiency of such a system with correct
measurements. That is the main goal of this topic.
Here are some introductory points related to bifilar pancake coils:
Tesla, within a patent relating to their use explains that bifilar or double pancake coils are able to
store many times more energy than single wire coils.
Bifilar coils maximize the voltage between turns.
Tesla assumes that this type of coil has a voltage gain.
The energy within the coil is condensed into negative and positive components of current.
He calls this system a capacitive system of electrostatic nature, where only a small amount of
charge moves through the load per cycle.
Tesla indicates that pancake bifilar coil systems convert input energy in potential, that the current
consumed is minimal, they work in a mode of potential variation and the condition in which the
current can be maintained is with no translational movement of charges.
The displacement current is a back and forth of bound charges in the nonconducting dialectic
materials, similar to capacitors. A bifilar pancake coil is capable of holding electric charges like a
capacitor.
No work can be performed when operated with a displacement current, but if a large quantity of
voltage displaces small amounts of bound charges, work can be performed on loads such as a
filament bulb without the conduction of current.
Modern thinking considers displacement current as false current, different from conventional
current flowing in a conductor wire. However, Tesla understood the meaning of what constitutes
current, like Maxwell did:
“All charge is a residual effect of the polarization of Dielectric and that variations of electric
displacement evidently constitute electric currents.“
Another aspect characterizing this coil is when a bifilar pancake coil operates in resonance, the
distributed capacity is able to overcome the counter force of the inductive reactance.
Because the electrical activity in a pancake coil works against itself (counter EMF) the potential in
the coil raises naturally to higher values. Almost all of the energy stored within a pancake coil is
transformed into full potential.
Summary - pancake coils could act as specific electrical energy storage systems, storing energy in
their dielectric.

My intention is to deepen this theme, which lay forgotten in the "drawer". I would like to count on
the participation of enthusiasts, those interested in contributing to this project in a constructive way.
Since it is a controversial topic, I would appreciate persons with animosity towards the subject
refrain from comment, in order to maintain a healthy ambiance for others.

This topic will be moderated by me, maybe others too, in order to ensure that the rules of good
coexistence are respected.
I hope there are moments of joy within the involvement of all participants.
My thanks!
 Nelson Rocha
Title: Re: Nelson Rocha Devices
Post by: voltaicfractal on May 12, 2020, 07:58:34 PM
Well, I am excited. I also research this subject and it is very difficult to find sources of good information.

Displacement current is controversial perhaps if only because the term was introduced as way to satisfy certain assumptions. It took a lot of research to even figure out what the controversy was exactly. Not that I wish to reopen that can of worms here, but I've struggled to find the best terminology to describe this subject matter.

The way I see it, there what we call electricity which typically describes a method in which we use differences in the distributions charged particles to produce work. Then there is this other thing - which seems to arise from potential changes propagating faster than the electrons. This "other thing" has been called a displacement current, Radiant energy, etc. and is a bit of a fickle. It seems to have its own rules, figuring out what these rules are has been very challenging. I look forward to learning and sharing.
Title: Re: Nelson Rocha Devices
Post by: EMJunkie on May 13, 2020, 12:20:28 AM

It will be great to see you share your methods here Nelson! Good on you for taking that step in the Community Direction!

I hope the Community is up for a little bit of a challenge, they may just benefit from a little bit of hard work!

I wish you the best of luck Nelson! Some are more than ready, some the opposite. Yin Yang...

Some advice if I may, monitor your thread reads, keep a running count on it.

Best wishes, stay safe and well my friend,
   Chris Sykes
Title: Re: Nelson Rocha Devices
Post by: Zephir on May 14, 2020, 12:50:42 PM
This device looks relevant to pancake coils https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4fp9J_7-JQ
Title: Re: Nelson Rocha Devices
Post by: nelsonrochaa on May 14, 2020, 10:38:29 PM
Well, I am excited. I also research this subject and it is very difficult to find sources of good information.

Displacement current is controversial perhaps if only because the term was introduced as way to satisfy certain assumptions. It took a lot of research to even figure out what the controversy was exactly. Not that I wish to reopen that can of worms here, but I've struggled to find the best terminology to describe this subject matter.

The way I see it, there what we call electricity which typically describes a method in which we use differences in the distributions charged particles to produce work. Then there is this other thing - which seems to arise from potential changes propagating faster than the electrons. This "other thing" has been called a displacement current, Radiant energy, etc. and is a bit of a fickle. It seems to have its own rules, figuring out what these rules are has been very challenging. I look forward to learning and sharing.

I voltaicfractal ,
I really appreciate your interest, is nice see people interested in this theme with willing to contribute to this topic.
I did experiments in the past, related with this theme and I will try replicate some of these experiments and all help, suggestions and contributions are welcome .


Feel free to present your thoughts and ideas. Welcome !

Best rewards

Nelson Rocha
Title: Re: Nelson Rocha Devices
Post by: nelsonrochaa on May 14, 2020, 10:42:50 PM
This device looks relevant to pancake coils https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4fp9J_7-JQ

Hi Zephir,
Hope you are fine since I not talk with you long time ago :) .
I appreciate you share and I will view the video. You are welcome to this thread , and I look forward to your contribution through videos or thoughts associated with this topic.
Many thanks

Best rewards
Nelson Rocha
Title: Re: Nelson Rocha Devices
Post by: nelsonrochaa on May 14, 2020, 10:51:44 PM
It will be great to see you share your methods here Nelson! Good on you for taking that step in the Community Direction!

I hope the Community is up for a little bit of a challenge, they may just benefit from a little bit of hard work!

I wish you the best of luck Nelson! Some are more than ready, some the opposite. Yin Yang...

Some advice if I may, monitor your thread reads, keep a running count on it.

Best wishes, stay safe and well my friend,
   Chris Sykes

Hi Chris ,
I appreciate your support and your tips ;).
I believe this will be a nice topic, where I hope that all interested parties can participate in a constructive way, even those who may be less prepared, as the goal is to have a healthy space where everyone can exchange impressions and who can take pleasure in their participation.
We live in difficult times, and it is important that the community is united.

Best Rewards

Nelson Rocha
Title: Re: Nelson Rocha Devices
Post by: nelsonrochaa on May 15, 2020, 12:02:43 AM
Hi Zephir,
Hope you are fine since I not talk with you long time ago :) .
I appreciate you share and I will view the video. You are welcome to this thread , and I look forward to your contribution through videos or thoughts associated with this topic.
Many thanks

Best rewards
Nelson Rocha

Zephir ,
I saw the video you shared, and while interesting, its author in my opinion should indicate that there is a transmitter , and that the exposed circuit is only a receiver, otherwise, it could mislead people.
But it is still interesting, my thanks for your sharing.

Best Rewards

Nelson Rocha
Title: Re: Nelson Rocha Devices
Post by: voltaicfractal on May 16, 2020, 03:33:19 AM
Feel free to present your thoughts and ideas.

Thank you.

My intention is to deepen this theme, which lay forgotten in the "drawer". I would like to count on the participation of enthusiasts, those interested in contributing to this project in a constructive way.

Let's say we have a large source of DC potential, a switch and a long wire in series connected to the positive terminal. Let's say the negative of our source is connected to ground. At the moment of switch closure, before charges start to move, the voltage appears across the conductor even at the very end.... The electrons take time to begin moving, but at the other end of a connected wire a voltage appears. Let's say our wire is floating. It is not connected to anything at the other end. Throughout all space that wire occupies an electric field appears, also instantaneously. It doesn't matter whether any current flow occurs, this field appears. We can open the switch, the field decays. Our wire is an open circuit with several GOhms between the wire and the ground - how much current flowed? Almost none.

We reordered the vacuum and it cost us nothing. We changed something, created a small ripple in the electromagnetic pond, but we spent nothing provided no charges moved.
Title: Re: Nelson Rocha Devices
Post by: Magluvin on May 16, 2020, 03:35:49 AM
Thank you.

Let's say we have a large source of DC potential, a switch and a long wire in series connected to the positive terminal. Let's say the negative of our source is connected to ground. At the moment of switch closure, before charges start to move, the voltage appears across the conductor even at the very end.... The electrons take time to begin moving, but at the other end of a connected wire a voltage appears. Let's say our wire is floating. It is not connected to anything at the other end. Throughout all space that wire occupies an electric field appears, also instantaneously. It doesn't matter whether any current flow occurs, this field appears. We can open the switch, the field decays. Let's say our wire is an open circuit with several GOhms between the wire and the ground - how much current flowed? Almost none.

We reordered the vacuum and it cost us nothing. We changed something, created a small ripple in the electromagnetic pond, but we spent nothing provided no charges moved.
If your meter is connected to measure the voltage, then your meter is the load, and a very high ohm load compared to the connecting wire you speak of. So current flows(very little to get the meter to read) when your meter(load) is connected to the circuit. ;)
Mags
Title: Re: Nelson Rocha Devices
Post by: voltaicfractal on May 16, 2020, 03:52:55 AM
If your meter is connected to measure the voltage, then your meter is the load, and a very high ohm load compared to the connecting wire you speak of. So current flows(very little to get the meter to read) when your meter(load) is connected to the circuit. ;)
Mags

I believe you mean your meter. Since you introduced the meter, it must be yours.
Title: Re: Nelson Rocha Devices
Post by: nelsonrochaa on May 16, 2020, 12:39:52 PM
Thank you.

Let's say we have a large source of DC potential, a switch and a long wire in series connected to the positive terminal. Let's say the negative of our source is connected to ground. At the moment of switch closure, before charges start to move, the voltage appears across the conductor even at the very end.... The electrons take time to begin moving, but at the other end of a connected wire a voltage appears. Let's say our wire is floating. It is not connected to anything at the other end. Throughout all space that wire occupies an electric field appears, also instantaneously. It doesn't matter whether any current flow occurs, this field appears. We can open the switch, the field decays. Our wire is an open circuit with several GOhms between the wire and the ground - how much current flowed? Almost none.

We reordered the vacuum and it cost us nothing. We changed something, created a small ripple in the electromagnetic pond, but we spent nothing provided no charges moved.

Hi voltaicfractal,

Regarding the example given:
with one end of the conductive wire connected and the other suspended in the air,
the current will depend on the surface size of the unconnected wire conductor and the distance relative to ground and their surface size, where also need to be considered, the dielectric element (air) between the plates , resuming It will behave like a condenser.
 Knowing this distance between plates , the electric field can theoretically be calculated using mathematical formulas as well the displacement current however is relevant say that it is not an electric current of moving charges, but a time-varying electric field.

Best rewards

Nelson Rocha

Title: Re: Nelson Rocha Devices
Post by: nelsonrochaa on May 16, 2020, 12:45:15 PM
I believe you mean your meter. Since you introduced the meter, it must be yours.
voltaicfractal,
Sincerely i feel some hostility in your answer to Magluvin ,and besides being unnecessary, it does not add anything positive to the theme we are talking. I would like common sense and tolerance prevail among the participants in this topic, because as i mentioned earlier, in the difficult times we are in, respect and tolerance are points of order.
Thank you for your understanding.

Best rewards


Nelson Rocha
Title: Re: Nelson Rocha Devices
Post by: nelsonrochaa on May 16, 2020, 01:44:09 PM
If your meter is connected to measure the voltage, then your meter is the load, and a very high ohm load compared to the connecting wire you speak of. So current flows(very little to get the meter to read) when your meter(load) is connected to the circuit. ;)
Mags

Magluvin ,
Hope you goes well ,
I think personally the example you used is not the best to illustrate what we are talking  , because we are talking in hypothetical displacements currents present relative ground and other point of wire disconnected.
 Being displacements currents not an electric current of moving charges, but a time-varying electric field, in my perspective  the example you give not apply because  is different of conduction current, in the conventional electrically conductive means.
I leave a patent link for a device for measuring current displacements that seems very interesting so that you might be interested.
https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/73/6d/ac/0d8caf02f855e9/US4224540.pdf

Best rewards

Nelson Rocha
Title: Re: Nelson Rocha Devices
Post by: voltaicfractal on May 16, 2020, 10:01:53 PM
voltaicfractal,
Sincerely i feel some hostility in your answer to Magluvin ,and besides being unnecessary, it does not add anything positive to the theme we are talking. I would like common sense and tolerance prevail among the participants in this topic, because as i mentioned earlier, in the difficult times we are in, respect and tolerance are points of order.
Thank you for your understanding.

Best rewards


Nelson Rocha
My apologies, my response was not intended to communicate hostility. It is not uncommon for people to view brief replies negatively though I'm not sure why that is exactly. We have the word "curt" which describes this, but I don't really understand why people perceive rudeness in brevity.
Title: Re: Nelson Rocha Devices
Post by: nelsonrochaa on May 16, 2020, 10:24:12 PM
My apologies, my response was not intended to communicate hostility. It is not uncommon for people to view brief replies negatively though I'm not sure why that is exactly. We have the word "curt" which describes this, but I don't really understand why people perceive rudeness in brevity.

Hi voltaicfractal,

No problem , I understand your explanation, and we should move forward  :)

Best rewards


Nelson Rocha
Title: Re: Nelson Rocha Devices
Post by: conradelektro on May 16, 2020, 10:35:34 PM
I measured bifilar and monofilar pancake coils. Read the description of the videos:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fC84W0PIZoE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fC84W0PIZoE) self resonance

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spQ9yLdb7v4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spQ9yLdb7v4)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCEqnX1JsGw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCEqnX1JsGw)  magnetic field

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvDUAcC1hbk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvDUAcC1hbk)

Whatever it is worth, greetings, Conrad
Title: Re: Nelson Rocha Devices
Post by: nelsonrochaa on May 16, 2020, 10:41:32 PM
I measured bifilar and monofilar pancake coils. Read the description of the videos:

https://m.youtube.com/watchv=fc84w0pizoe (https://m.youtube.com/watchv=fc84w0pizoe) self resonance

https://m.youtube.com/watchv=spq9yldb7v4 (https://m.youtube.com/watchv=spq9yldb7v4)

https://m.youtube.com/watchv=gceqnx1jsgw (https://m.youtube.com/watchv=gceqnx1jsgw)  magnetic field

https://m.youtube.com/watchv=tvduacc1hbk (https://m.youtube.com/watchv=tvduacc1hbk)

Whatever it is worth, greetings, Conrad

Hi conradelektro ,
I appreciate your sharing, however, the links associated with the videos appear to be defective, as they present the message that the videos are apparently unavailable.
Could you validate that the videos are still available? Would be of great use for this topic. Many thanks

Best Rewards

Nelson Rocha
Title: Re: Nelson Rocha Devices
Post by: conradelektro on May 16, 2020, 10:56:18 PM
Could you validate that the videos are still available? Would be of great use for this topic. Many thanks


I corrected the links in my post. I posted from my tablet and this garbled the links. Greetings, Conrad
Title: Re: Nelson Rocha Devices
Post by: nelsonrochaa on May 17, 2020, 02:02:12 AM

I corrected the links in my post. I posted from my tablet and this garbled the links. Greetings, Conrad

Conradelektro,
Many thanks by your contribution , now the links are working.

Best rewards

Nelson Rocha
Title: Re: Nelson Rochaa Devices
Post by: conradelektro on May 17, 2020, 04:37:15 PM
Here a new beginning.
a mission statement from Nelson ...topic under construction

Quote
.........
Here are some introductory points related to bifilar pancake coils:
Tesla, within a patent relating to their use explains that bifilar or double pancake coils are able to
store many times more energy than single wire coils.
Bifilar coils maximize the voltage between turns.
Tesla assumes that this type of coil has a voltage gain.
The energy within the coil is condensed into negative and positive components of current.
He calls this system a capacitive system of electrostatic nature, where only a small amount of
charge moves through the load per cycle.
Tesla indicates that pancake bifilar coil systems convert input energy in potential, that the current
consumed is minimal, they work in a mode of potential variation and the condition in which the
current can be maintained is with no translational movement of charges.
The displacement current is a back and forth of bound charges in the nonconducting dialectic
materials, similar to capacitors. A bifilar pancake coil is capable of holding electric charges like a
capacitor.
..................................
My thanks!
 Nelson Rocha

In my two videos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fC84W0PIZoE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fC84W0PIZoE) self resonance
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spQ9yLdb7v4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spQ9yLdb7v4)
I also calculated the self capacitance of a monofilar and a bifilar pancake coil:

Self capacitance of monofilar pan cake coil 10 pF -- calculated from 8.4 MHz and 34 µH
Self capacitance of bifilar pan cake coil 49 pF -- calculated from 3.9 MHz and 34 µH

Well, is the higher self capacitance of a bifilar coil the mysterious notion that "bifilar or double pancake coils are able to store many times more energy than single wire coils"?

Has anyone measured the other claims?
- Tesla indicates that pancake bifilar coil systems convert input energy in potential,
- that the current consumed is minimal,
- they work in a mode of potential variation and the condition in which the current can be maintained is with no translational movement of charges.

Greetings, Conrad
Title: Re: Nelson Rochaa Devices
Post by: nelsonrochaa on May 17, 2020, 11:22:21 PM
In my two videos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fC84W0PIZoE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fC84W0PIZoE) self resonance
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spQ9yLdb7v4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spQ9yLdb7v4)
I also calculated the self capacitance of a monofilar and a bifilar pancake coil:

Self capacitance of monofilar pan cake coil 10 pF -- calculated from 8.4 MHz and 34 µH
Self capacitance of bifilar pan cake coil 49 pF -- calculated from 3.9 MHz and 34 µH

Well, is the higher self capacitance of a bifilar coil the mysterious notion that "bifilar or double pancake coils are able to store many times more energy than single wire coils"?

Has anyone measured the other claims?
- Tesla indicates that pancake bifilar coil systems convert input energy in potential,
- that the current consumed is minimal,
- they work in a mode of potential variation and the condition in which the current can be maintained is with no translational movement of charges.

Greetings, Conrad


Hi Conrad , hope you goes well

Well, is the higher self capacitance the mysterious notion that "bifilar or double pancake coils are able to store many times more energy than single wire coils"?

Well This will depend on the perspective of the analyst about the word “mysterious” .
The self-capacitance of pancake bifilar coil will depend on some factors, such as the materials used as insulators in the winding wire because their dialectic properties.
Tesla used in their pancake coils a cotton blend in the coating of the winding wire that certainly has different values than those that plastic presents in the winding of your pancake coils and even in mine.
The acrylic plates, which you used to confine your pancake coils, certainly interfere with the values of self-capacitance of coils, so many factors are involved in this process.
This self capacitance in the bifilar pancake coil at resonance show a voltage gain to be several orders of magnitude in relation to single wire coil with the same number of turns, and its distributed capacitance when in resonance, it manages to override its inductive reactance (CEMF), make the potential of coil increase spontaneous.
This is one advantage and is the reason to Tesla say the bifilar pancake coil convert the input energy to full potential .
The current consumed in the coil is reduced because displacement currents is defined in terms of time-varying electric field and not like conventional conduction current, the friction caused by the current flow in the coil is avoided ,in this way losses through heat are reduced.
The magnitude of displacement current in case of steady electric fields in a conducting wire is zero, since the electric field E does not change with time.
This claims, could be understood and studied with help Faraday’s and Maxwell equations .
I made some tests and experiments in the past , but they need be made with more rigor and with a more analytical analysis, but I think the link to the video I share can help to understand some of the points that cause some doubts in relation to some points that you mentioned.
I would like to repeat some of these tests in a more controlled and rigorous environment to understand better all this process .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQkdsq3eP5w (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQkdsq3eP5w)



Best rewards :

Nelson Rocha
Title: Re: Nelson Rocha Devices
Post by: onepower on May 17, 2020, 11:37:10 PM
Nelson
Quote
Well This will depend on the perspective of the analyst about the word “mysterious” .
The self-capacitance of pancake bifilar coil will depend on some factors, such as the materials used as insulators in the winding wire because their dialectic properties.
Tesla used in their pancake coils a cotton blend in the coating of the winding wire that certainly has different values than those that plastic presents in the winding of your pancake coils and even in mine.
The acrylic plates, which you used to confine your pancake coils, certainly interfere with the values of self-capacitance of coils, so many factors are involved in this process.
This self capacitance in the bifilar pancake coil at resonance show a voltage gain to be several orders of magnitude in relation to single wire coil with the same number of turns, and its distributed capacitance when in resonance, it manages to override its inductive reactance (CEMF), make the potential of coil increase spontaneous.

Well said, and the devil is always in the smallest details.

It also helps to look at what is happening from the perspective of energy. What is present at any given point, where or how is it moving which is energy and why. Generally speaking all the greatest FE inventors claimed there was more energy present in an ordinary circuit than most people understand. If there is more energy present then it is a matter of the understanding the what, when, where and how of things that may matter the most... the details.

Regards
Title: Re: Nelson Rocha Devices
Post by: nelsonrochaa on May 18, 2020, 12:33:31 AM
Nelson
Well said, and the devil is always in the smallest details.

It also helps to look at what is happening from the perspective of energy. What is present at any given point, where or how is it moving which is energy and why. Generally speaking all the greatest FE inventors claimed there was more energy present in an ordinary circuit than most people understand. If there is more energy present then it is a matter of the understanding the what, when, where and how of things that may matter the most... the details.

Regards

Onepower,

Welcome to this thread .

I really believe that there are some subtle details, which in a universe of so much information, can influence results, and behaviors.
Some statements I made in the previous post, it is not new for lovers of this theme, nor for the scientific community.
The beauty of this life, is live to learn and question the nature that surrounds us. :)
You are very welcome to this thread and here, all opinions and contributions will be valued.

Best rewards

Nelson Rocha
Title: Re: Nelson Rocha Devices
Post by: lancaIV on May 18, 2020, 03:48:28 AM
Boa Noite,Senhor Rocha !Aquando ver a relaczao entre os dois fios ,em conjunto bi-filiar, e a relacao entre dessas com a
"Rankine-Hugoniot relation/condiczao  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rankine%E2%80%93Hugoniot_conditions (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rankine%E2%80%93Hugoniot_conditions) " da isto uma nova perspectiva ou resposta ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ideal_gas_law (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ideal_gas_law) ,aqui o plasma vulgo "luz,electricidade"



Adeus
OCWL
Title: Re: Nelson Rocha Devices
Post by: nelsonrochaa on May 18, 2020, 01:27:25 PM
Boa Noite,Senhor Rocha !Aquando ver a relaczao entre os dois fios ,em conjunto bi-filiar, e a relacao entre dessas com a
"Rankine-Hugoniot relation/condiczao  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rankine%E2%80%93Hugoniot_conditions (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rankine%E2%80%93Hugoniot_conditions) " da isto uma nova perspectiva ou resposta ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ideal_gas_law (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ideal_gas_law) ,aqui o plasma vulgo "luz,electricidade"



Adeus
OCWL


Hi  Lanca ,

Thank you for your approach to this topic, and although your question is pertinent, I would not like to embark on this path, because besides being quite controversial, it is a subject with a high degree of complexity with regard to its bases for discussion, and that occupies another new topic just to talk about this subject given its scope and complexity.
If anyone is interested in this topic, there is a very interesting study, done at the National Laboratory of Los Alamos, where they make an introduction to Shock Waves and Shock Wave Research.

https://permalink.lanl.gov/object/tr?what=info:lanl-repo/lareport/LA-UR-17-20806

Best rewards e Obrigado

Nelson Rocha
Title: Re: Nelson Rocha Devices
Post by: onepower on May 19, 2020, 12:06:44 AM
Nelson
Quote
The beauty of this life, is live to learn and question the nature that surrounds us.

I would agree completely.

I found a method which may be of interest to some here. I had limited success until I learned to tune out all outside distractions and enter a conscious state similar to meditation. It's almost like day dreaming and everything disappears except for singular thoughts about understanding the task at hand and nature.

I like to start by finding a quiet place and thinking about a universe full of stars and planets, the cosmos in all it's wonder. Then I move inward to the Earth and think about all the wonders and natural phenomena I remember reading about and seeing, my experiences. Then I move inward again thinking about a man, myself, sitting at his bench thinking about his perceptions and his place in the universe. From here I begin to apply everything I know of the natural world and my perception of it to what is sitting on my bench.

It may sound silly but it works because...
1) It forces our mind to tune out all outside distractions and focus on what we are and where we are in reality.
2) It concentrates our focus on something real from a different perspective, one of nature and natural phenomena not mankind.
3) It invokes a sense of calm and collective devoid of chaos and confusion... clarity.

Regards
Title: Re: Nelson Rocha Devices
Post by: AlienGrey on May 19, 2020, 12:48:36 AM
Yes your talking about an inner journey of meditation that comes when the mind is blank like the mind or subconscious connecting with creation it self.  It also possible to guide the focus to any point in time or situation. witch is far too deep and complicated to discuse here.
AG


Title: Re: Nelson Rocha Devices
Post by: nelsonrochaa on May 19, 2020, 10:26:42 PM
Nelson
I would agree completely.

I found a method which may be of interest to some here. I had limited success until I learned to tune out all outside distractions and enter a conscious state similar to meditation. It's almost like day dreaming and everything disappears except for singular thoughts about understanding the task at hand and nature.

I like to start by finding a quiet place and thinking about a universe full of stars and planets, the cosmos in all it's wonder. Then I move inward to the Earth and think about all the wonders and natural phenomena I remember reading about and seeing, my experiences. Then I move inward again thinking about a man, myself, sitting at his bench thinking about his perceptions and his place in the universe. From here I begin to apply everything I know of the natural world and my perception of it to what is sitting on my bench.

It may sound silly but it works because...
1) It forces our mind to tune out all outside distractions and focus on what we are and where we are in reality.
2) It concentrates our focus on something real from a different perspective, one of nature and natural phenomena not mankind.
3) It invokes a sense of calm and collective devoid of chaos and confusion... clarity.

Regards
Hi Onepower ,

 I also completely identify with that same philosophy of thought abstraction.
Meditation can be a mediating platform, between the mind and ideas.
Nowadays our minds are bombarded with all kinds of distractions and inconsistencies, sometimes separating and abstracting is an arduous task.
For that reason I don't think your suggestion is completely out of place ;) .
Thank you for reporting something so personal that it can serve as a lever for other awake minds.

Best rewards

Nelson Rocha
Title: Re: Nelson Rocha Devices
Post by: nelsonrochaa on May 19, 2020, 10:41:16 PM
Yes your talking about an inner journey of meditation that comes when the mind is blank like the mind or subconscious connecting with creation it self.  It also possible to guide the focus to any point in time or situation. witch is far too deep and complicated to discuse here.
AG

Hi Alien Grey,
yes it's true , our subconscious is part of something huge , admirable !
Deep states of meditation, can lead us by a path in search of truth that fills the chasm historically created since the scholasticism between faith and science.
But these states of deep meditation are far from common for most people, because as I said earlier, we live in a very "polluting" society.
There are shortcuts, they have always existed, since our beginnings. Nature is too perfect, and everything seems meticulously thought out, and she hasn't forgotten those details.

Best Rewards


Nelson Rocha

Title: Re: Nelson Rocha Devices
Post by: onepower on May 20, 2020, 05:23:32 PM
Nelson
Quote
I also completely identify with that same philosophy of thought abstraction.
Meditation can be a mediating platform, between the mind and ideas.
Nowadays our minds are bombarded with all kinds of distractions and inconsistencies, sometimes separating and abstracting is an arduous task.
For that reason I don't think your suggestion is completely out of place

I wanted to mention perceptions and initially I had some trouble with your circuit diagrams. It was only after being able to see the physical layout that things made more sense. As you implied our mind can become filled with distractions taking away from the actual reality of a given situation.

I must say while some of your circuit diagrams look fairly simple there is a great deal going on in the background not shown in a diagram. Personally I thought some of your switching mechanisms were brilliant and seldom see this level of understanding here. Many of my circuits use mosfets or darlington transistors with no or limited gate/base connections which confuse most people. They say that cannot possibly work because it is not "connected" and it must be an error on my part however the error is in there perception. My open gate does not use a conduction effect but a field effect at the gate which then switches the conduction current at the source/drain. It may look like a regular component however it is used in a completely different way. In some sense our external circuit components can begin to mimic the internal components of a vacuum tube.

So our perception and clarity of thought does play a vital role not only in our builds but how we approach others as well. Like yourself many of my circuits make absolutely no sense and are foreign to most other people.

Regards
Title: Re: Nelson Rocha Devices
Post by: nelsonrochaa on May 21, 2020, 01:18:26 AM
Nelson
I wanted to mention perceptions and initially I had some trouble with your circuit diagrams. It was only after being able to see the physical layout that things made more sense. As you implied our mind can become filled with distractions taking away from the actual reality of a given situation.

I must say while some of your circuit diagrams look fairly simple there is a great deal going on in the background not shown in a diagram. Personally I thought some of your switching mechanisms were brilliant and seldom see this level of understanding here. Many of my circuits use mosfets or darlington transistors with no or limited gate/base connections which confuse most people. They say that cannot possibly work because it is not "connected" and it must be an error on my part however the error is in there perception. My open gate does not use a conduction effect but a field effect at the gate which then switches the conduction current at the source/drain. It may look like a regular component however it is used in a completely different way. In some sense our external circuit components can begin to mimic the internal components of a vacuum tube.

So our perception and clarity of thought does play a vital role not only in our builds but how we approach others as well. Like yourself many of my circuits make absolutely no sense and are foreign to most other people.

Regards

You are not the first person to tell me that they had difficulty with replications of some circuits I share . But a large majority did not even manage to reproduce them, even before starting it,if you know what I mean.
Each person has his own state of mind and perception.

About you circuits working with no gate or limited  gate/base connection:
The darlington transistor have a high gain , and they can work with “external” signal provided byelectric field, like mosfet gate could work just with a parasitic capacitance , myself already made some circuits in the past with those similarities , so when someone tell you that could not work , first explain to person why that happen’s , and  after that if he continue say that could not work, just smile and move away, most of times is better :) . but well I understand you type of “gate driver” .
In what type of application you apply this technical point ?
In the past I use this  technic to some high frequencies detectors  ;) because are able to detect “spontaneous frequencies” .

Hope you could present us with your work in future, will be well received by the community.

Best Rewards


Nelson Rocha

Title: Re: Nelson Rocha Devices
Post by: EMJunkie on May 21, 2020, 11:27:40 PM
Hey Nelson,

It appears active research is extremely slow to non existent here. Sadly...

My thread (https://overunity.com/18464/partnered-output-coils-builders-group-moderated/) is the same! The brilliant young minds are all focused on off topic nonsense. Very few real builders remain. Even fewer serious researchers are here focusing on the topic at hand.

Yesterday we had another excellent result on my forum (http://www.aboveunity.com/), the most simple device, putting out more than 4 times more Energy that was input. As you know, when we get to this and further stages, we cant help but look at those not giving this a serious effort as Time Wasters.

My Friend, we have known each other for more than ten years, I don't want to post to your thread information that is Negative!

So, I ask all readers: Get serious! Get your Brains switched on! Focus, Learn! Nelson will eventually get sick of sharing if you don't put the effort in! He can not be here forever!

My Friend, I wish you well, be safe and stay well, don't give up, there is a bright future ahead, many will not make it unless they pull Finger!

   Chris Sykes
Title: Re: Nelson Rocha Devices
Post by: onepower on May 22, 2020, 06:06:43 AM
Nelson
Quote
You are not the first person to tell me that they had difficulty with replications of some circuits I share . But a large majority did not even manage to reproduce them, even before starting it,if you know what I mean.
Each person has his own state of mind and perception.

As you may know the unfortunate truth is that doing anything in reality is difficult. It's just hard work which seldom works out as planned and requires a great deal of time. Most people cannot even comprehend the work you put into the devices I have seen in many of your video's. I think we may be a special breed of crazy for tormenting ourselves like this.

Quote
About you circuits working with no gate or limited  gate/base connection:
The darlington transistor have a high gain , and they can work with “external” signal provided byelectric field, like mosfet gate could work just with a parasitic capacitance , myself already made some circuits in the past with those similarities , so when someone tell you that could not work , first explain to person why that happen’s , and  after that if he continue say that could not work, just smile and move away, most of times is better :) . but well I understand you type of “gate driver” .
In what type of application you apply this technical point ?
In the past I use this  technic to some high frequencies detectors  ;) because are able to detect “spontaneous frequencies” .

My work is similar to yours in many respects however most of my circuits run anywhere from 10 to 500 kV which as you can imagine presents many problems. This kind of potential basically obliterates all off the shelf electronics so most components and circuits based on LV conduction becomes problematic. As such my normal is based on field effects and detection at a distance not so much conduction. I usually have to purpose build almost everything from scratch simply because nobody makes the specialized HV components I require. I enjoy it because it's unique and I can seldom predict what is going to happen which is strange and exciting.

Quote
Hope you could present us with your work in future, will be well received by the community.

I had thought about it many times over the years and I have shared some things in the past however it becomes problematic and seldom ends well. I think I may be selfish and I research and experiment to learn and understand nature. That and I want a FE generator in my utility room and a UFO parked on my lawn, I'm not asking much, lol.

Regards

Title: Re: Nelson Rocha Devices
Post by: Dog-One on May 22, 2020, 10:05:17 AM
Feel free to present your thoughts and ideas. Welcome !

I most certainly do have some thoughts and it's really good to hear from you again.

Years ago when I first started looking at your pancake coil work, I had fabricated some really nice PCB flat coils.  I made clockwise and counter-clockwise traces that could be perfectly aligned so the traces would lay exactly on top of each other.  I could then use various dielectric material between the boards to change the properties of the complete coil.  I located mounting holes so the plates could be tightly fastened together.

I did a lot of experimenting with these coils and because they were so precisely made, the results were very repeatable.  This leads me to the question...   Do you have in mind some basic experiments we should  attempt, with the vision in mind of where we all should end up as we begin to comprehend the inner most details of this exploration?

Oh, one other thing I should mention:  Switching...

There is a company that produces Silicon Carbide JFETs.  They absolutely put anything I've used prior to shame.  Being normally conductive JFETs, they flow current bidirectionally with practically zero resistance and they are extremely fast when driven with the proper gate control circuit.  I used them successfully with many parametric resonance experiments--the waveforms show almost no artifacts of the switching taking place.
Title: Re: Nelson Rocha Devices
Post by: nelsonrochaa on May 22, 2020, 10:46:25 PM
Hey Nelson,

It appears active research is extremely slow to non existent here. Sadly...

My thread (https://overunity.com/18464/partnered-output-coils-builders-group-moderated/) is the same! The brilliant young minds are all focused on off topic nonsense. Very few real builders remain. Even fewer serious researchers are here focusing on the topic at hand.

Yesterday we had another excellent result on my forum (http://www.aboveunity.com/), the most simple device, putting out more than 4 times more Energy that was input. As you know, when we get to this and further stages, we cant help but look at those not giving this a serious effort as Time Wasters.

My Friend, we have known each other for more than ten years, I don't want to post to your thread information that is Negative!

So, I ask all readers: Get serious! Get your Brains switched on! Focus, Learn! Nelson will eventually get sick of sharing if you don't put the effort in! He can not be here forever!

My Friend, I wish you well, be safe and stay well, don't give up, there is a bright future ahead, many will not make it unless they pull Finger!

   Chris Sykes


Hi Chris ,

I am very happy and grateful for your sharing Chris.
I will try to take a look at this replication that you speak and maybe if i could try replicate them, because 4 times more Energy that was input is really a very good result!
What kind of measurements were made to reach this admirable value? What type of load used ? Resistive or inductive loads were used in the (output) to verify this gain ?

My time is a little reduced in this moment , however, I hope in the coming weeks to start to dynamize the thread a little more, because I need to organize myself in relation to some themes that are essential to i able to materialize some ideas to something replicable by everyone .
At this moment I am also trying to gather equipment that will allow me to start.
But everything has its time, and I hope that soon there will be good changes.

Best rewards

Nelson Rocha
Title: Re: Nelson Rocha Devices
Post by: nelsonrochaa on May 22, 2020, 10:47:41 PM
Nelson
As you may know the unfortunate truth is that doing anything in reality is difficult. It's just hard work which seldom works out as planned and requires a great deal of time. Most people cannot even comprehend the work you put into the devices I have seen in many of your video's. I think we may be a special breed of crazy for tormenting ourselves like this.

My work is similar to yours in many respects however most of my circuits run anywhere from 10 to 500 kV which as you can imagine presents many problems. This kind of potential basically obliterates all off the shelf electronics so most components and circuits based on LV conduction becomes problematic. As such my normal is based on field effects and detection at a distance not so much conduction. I usually have to purpose build almost everything from scratch simply because nobody makes the specialized HV components I require. I enjoy it because it's unique and I can seldom predict what is going to happen which is strange and exciting.

I had thought about it many times over the years and I have shared some things in the past however it becomes problematic and seldom ends well. I think I may be selfish and I research and experiment to learn and understand nature. That and I want a FE generator in my utility room and a UFO parked on my lawn, I'm not asking much, lol.

Regards


Hi Onepower,

Yes, you are absolutely right, this activity can take a long time to materialize in positive results.
Above all, it is a route we choose voluntarily, and those who run for pleasure never tire!   
I'm impressed with the type of system you're working on.
I myself am passionate about high voltage due to the unknown aspect and the events created by it.
10 to 500kv is a really high voltage , if not properly planned, it can lead to serious health problems, as chemical, ionic and transmutation events occur during this type of high voltage experiment, but it shouldn't be new for you if you work exclusively with these voltage levels; stay safe .

I understand that you may have had bad experiences in the past when you tried to share some of your ideas, but I believe that there are conditions right now so that you can present your ideas without restrictions. I could personally support you in this task, in case you need any help.

Best rewards

Nelson Rocha
Title: Re: Nelson Rocha Devices
Post by: nelsonrochaa on May 22, 2020, 10:50:14 PM
I most certainly do have some thoughts and it's really good to hear from you again.

Years ago when I first started looking at your pancake coil work, I had fabricated some really nice PCB flat coils.  I made clockwise and counter-clockwise traces that could be perfectly aligned so the traces would lay exactly on top of each other.  I could then use various dielectric material between the boards to change the properties of the complete coil.  I located mounting holes so the plates could be tightly fastened together.

I did a lot of experimenting with these coils and because they were so precisely made, the results were very repeatable.  This leads me to the question...   Do you have in mind some basic experiments we should  attempt, with the vision in mind of where we all should end up as we begin to comprehend the inner most details of this exploration?

Oh, one other thing I should mention:  Switching...

There is a company that produces Silicon Carbide JFETs.  They absolutely put anything I've used prior to shame.  Being normally conductive JFETs, they flow current bidirectionally with practically zero resistance and they are extremely fast when driven with the proper gate control circuit.  I used them successfully with many parametric resonance experiments--the waveforms show almost no artifacts of the switching taking place.


Hi Dog-one,
I'm glad to see you here, it's been a while since our last conversation.
Hope everything is well with you.
These pancake coils pcb are very beautiful!
I have never tested pancake coils in this condition on pcb, but it would be interesting to know more about them such as inductance, resistance and capacity, I’m really curious about some of these characteristics.
In the future we can certainly try to use these coils, My intention is to create a model circuit, and after do another replication for testing, where we could include your pcb pancake coils  or other type of tests me or other participants sugest to do .
About Silicon Carbide JFETs, I never worked with them, although many people advertise them, however, i see no inconvenience in using them in the future in the switching circuit , thanks for the tip , i need check their prices , because my budget is low ☺  but if is accessible i will try them for sure .
Dog, you are very welcome to this topic, and I hope that it will be a motivation for all those who somehow like the topic covered.

Best rewards

Nelson Rocha
Title: Re: Nelson Rocha Devices
Post by: EMJunkie on May 22, 2020, 11:48:54 PM

Hi Chris ,

I am very happy and grateful for your sharing Chris.
I will try to take a look at this replication that you speak and maybe if i could try replicate them, because 4 times more Energy that was input is really a very good result!
What kind of measurements were made to reach this admirable value? What type of load used ? Resistive or inductive loads were used in the (output) to verify this gain ?

My time is a little reduced in this moment , however, I hope in the coming weeks to start to dynamize the thread a little more, because I need to organize myself in relation to some themes that are essential to i able to materialize some ideas to something replicable by everyone .
At this moment I am also trying to gather equipment that will allow me to start.
But everything has its time, and I hope that soon there will be good changes.

Best rewards

Nelson Rocha


Hi Nelson,

I am sorry My Friend, its not my experiment to share.

Only the Elite Builders on My Forum have access to this project. Many other experiments that also put Out more than In, COP > 1.0, are open source. Members, have the option of sharing publically, or not, the Member with this result is not sharing publically yet. Development stages.

By Following My Above-Unity (http://www.aboveunity.com/tagged/above-unity/) tag, readers can see whats being worked on.

I wish more here would get serious! History, if we manage to not END Ourselves, will reflect very badly on these people that are Playing Dumb! These people need to Pull Finger and get a move on! Educate! Its Important!

Best wishes, stay safe and well,

   Chris Sykes
Title: Re: Nelson Rocha Devices
Post by: Atti2 on May 23, 2020, 08:44:32 AM
Chris.
Make use of the work of the member representing the result in the patent office. Congratulations to him on the result.
Title: Re: Nelson Rocha Devices
Post by: ramset on May 25, 2020, 01:38:05 AM
Nelson,
 As mentioned,I will be attempting to settup an acct at Mouser Portugal on Tuesday [holiday here Monday]

We have done this before and persons [members reading] could help pay for equipment and supplies towards open source experimenters projects.
So persons reading here can help the builder actually doing the work ...for Clarity Nelson has said he is not interested in a revenue stream ...just Equipment and
supplies for experiments..Might be setting up a few donate accts with different vendors for open source experiments such as Nelson is doing here.
to note : Dr Jones [member Physics prof ] has typically helped with these equipment Purchases ..he is assisting with this project too.once acc't is settup a link for those wishing to help will be posted in designated area.

sorry for interruption..
respectfully  Chet K //..//Ps for clarity Nelson cannot properly proceed without a few key pieces of equipment
Title: Re: Nelson Rocha Devices
Post by: nelsonrochaa on May 25, 2020, 03:19:59 PM

Hi Nelson,

I am sorry My Friend, its not my experiment to share.

Only the Elite Builders on My Forum have access to this project. Many other experiments that also put Out more than In, COP > 1.0, are open source. Members, have the option of sharing publically, or not, the Member with this result is not sharing publically yet. Development stages.

By Following My Above-Unity (http://www.aboveunity.com/tagged/above-unity/) tag, readers can see whats being worked on.

I wish more here would get serious! History, if we manage to not END Ourselves, will reflect very badly on these people that are Playing Dumb! These people need to Pull Finger and get a move on! Educate! Its Important!

Best wishes, stay safe and well,

   Chris Sykes



Chris Sykes


Hi Chris ,
I understand . I appreciate your sincerity when you explain that you could not share because the experiment is not yours, and I respect that.   
In the past, I was also limited to sharing in detail some of the circuits that I did, but I thought that in the face of our recent conversations about "freeing ourselves from the bonds" of the big companies and working for the benefit of society, I thought you meant sharing in open-source, not by a restricted group of people.
I apologize for the misunderstanding.
Thus, we can only hope that these experiments will be successful and that the values you announced will be confirmed, as it would be very important, if your intention in the future is to share this discovery with the world.
I will always be available to listen to you and help you if you want in the future, to provide more (information) related to that system.
I wish you the best .
Title: Re: Nelson Rocha Devices
Post by: Void on May 25, 2020, 10:10:10 PM
Chris Sykes
Hi Chris ,
I understand . I appreciate your sincerity when you explain that you could not share because the experiment is not yours, and I respect that.   
In the past, I was also limited to sharing in detail some of the circuits that I did, but I thought that in the face of our recent conversations about "freeing ourselves from the bonds" of the big companies and working for the benefit of society, I thought you meant sharing in open-source, not by a restricted group of people.
I apologize for the misunderstanding.
Thus, we can only hope that these experiments will be successful and that the values you announced will be confirmed, as it would be very important, if your intention in the future is to share this discovery with the world.
I will always be available to listen to you and help you if you want in the future, to provide more (information) related to that system.
I wish you the best .

Hi Nelson,

IMO, if someone wants people to join in and experiment with them on some circuit idea, it would really help to
show a working experimental setup demonstration first, in some sort of clear way; and, if it is not self-looped, then show
what measurements they are doing so people can get an idea how the circuit may actually be performing.
If such a circuit demonstration shows real promise, other people likely will join in and start experimenting as well.

If someone just posts some theoretical ideas and shows no practical and clear working circuit demonstration, it is much less
likely other people will show much interest in 'building' and experimenting. I know in your case you said you are
waiting to get some equipment, but I am just commenting in general. If there is no reasonable demonstration presented right from
the start which stands up to reasonable scrutiny, then it is not so likely many people will show much interest.
People have heard boys crying "wolf" here and in similar forums just too many times now over the years, and all that can be found each
time are squirrels. A good clear working circuit demonstration is what will separate the men from the boys who cry wolf.
Just my own opinion.  :D

If all the full details of making a claimed COP > 1 circuit are 'secret to an elite group' as Chris has stated,
then why is that person posting here in an 'open source' forum in the first place? It should be a no-brainer that not many
people are likely to start experimenting if full details of the claimed 'working' circuit are secret and no
reasonable circuit demonstration is presented :D

All the best...


Title: Re: Nelson Rocha Devices
Post by: NickZ on May 26, 2020, 01:41:44 AM
  Void:   You mentioned: "People have heard boys crying "wolf" here and in similar forums just too many times now over the years, and all that can be found each time,are squirrels.
A good clear working circuit demonstration is what will separate the men from the boys who cry wolf.
Just my own opinion".

   AND, my opinion, as well...   NickZ
   PS.  The problem is not a lack of interested builders,  it's the lack of true self running, OU devices to replicate. Are there any...?
Title: Re: Nelson Rocha Devices
Post by: onepower on May 26, 2020, 01:45:54 AM
NickZ
Quote
Void:   You mentioned: "People have heard boys crying "wolf" here and in similar forums just too many times now over the years, and all that can be found each time,are squirrels.
A good clear working circuit demonstration is what will separate the men from the boys who cry wolf.
Just my own opinion".

   AND, my opinion, as well...   NickZ
   PS.  The problem is not a lack of interested builders,  it's the lack of true self running, OU devices to replicate. Are there any...?

Of course everyone has FE up until the point they have to show or prove it then somehow most don't, lol. I have been here over ten years now and to date I have seen almost nothing which would convince me otherwise other than what I have seen on my own bench. I like Nelsons work because he has the right attitude and the right approach in my opinion. A dedication to science and the reality of things we can prove for ourselves as factual.

I wouldn't make too much of what others believe and we do what we can within our means as time allows. We are only human after all and to err is human and I err a great deal, more than most, in fact erring is kind of my thing.

Regards

















Title: Re: Nelson Rocha Devices
Post by: Raycathode on May 26, 2020, 11:32:33 AM
NickZ
Of course everyone has FE up until the point they have to show or prove it then somehow most don't, lol. I have been here over ten years now and to date I have seen almost nothing which would convince me otherwise other than what I have seen on my own bench. I like Nelsons work because he has the right attitude and the right approach in my opinion. A dedication to science and the reality of things we can prove for ourselves as factual.

I wouldn't make too much of what others believe and we do what we can within our means as time allows. We are only human after all and to err is human and I err a great deal, more than most, in fact erring is kind of my thing.

Regards
Yeah what is your point ? any chance you can point me to some of your work you have from your last 10 years ?

Kind regards  Raymondo
Title: Re: Nelson Rocha Devices
Post by: nelsonrochaa on May 26, 2020, 09:18:36 PM
Hi Nelson,

IMO, if someone wants people to join in and experiment with them on some circuit idea, it would really help to
show a working experimental setup demonstration first, in some sort of clear way; and, if it is not self-looped, then show
what measurements they are doing so people can get an idea how the circuit may actually be performing.
If such a circuit demonstration shows real promise, other people likely will join in and start experimenting as well.

If someone just posts some theoretical ideas and shows no practical and clear working circuit demonstration, it is much less
likely other people will show much interest in 'building' and experimenting. I know in your case you said you are
waiting to get some equipment, but I am just commenting in general. If there is no reasonable demonstration presented right from
the start which stands up to reasonable scrutiny, then it is not so likely many people will show much interest.
People have heard boys crying "wolf" here and in similar forums just too many times now over the years, and all that can be found each
time are squirrels. A good clear working circuit demonstration is what will separate the men from the boys who cry wolf.
Just my own opinion.  :D

If all the full details of making a claimed COP > 1 circuit are 'secret to an elite group' as Chris has stated,
then why is that person posting here in an 'open source' forum in the first place? It should be a no-brainer that not many
people are likely to start experimenting if full details of the claimed 'working' circuit are secret and no
reasonable circuit demonstration is presented :D

All the best...

Void :
I cannot completely agree with you, but I understand your point of view.
In this specific topic, and I speak only of respect for myself and my motivations, I was very clear, and my intention is to captivate people interested in the mission statement I wrote, and only those who do not expect anything in return should join together, and whatever they do is positive will always be for the benefit of the community.
For obvious reasons, the fact that someone presents something concrete helps to motivate people to participate, but we have seen them many times in this and other Forums, people sometimes cross the limit of reasonable, no one are in a position to demand When someone willingly tries to present or share something without asking for anything in return.
Myself, I have daily work, I have family, and all the time I dedicate to this topic will be in exchange for nothing, and only those who genuinely want to help me, and have consideration and respect for my work, will be welcome, I will not be available for singular and personal requirements.

I agree with you  on the point that you refer, that if someone genuinely wants to share it will not put any barrier to show that it really has a positive result by measurements and scrutiny;  in my opinion this is the main point of Open-source, and that will be my intention, whether the result is positive or not.
Welcome to this topic

Best rewards

Nelson Rocha
Title: Re: Nelson Rocha Devices
Post by: nelsonrochaa on May 26, 2020, 09:19:20 PM
  Void:   You mentioned: "People have heard boys crying "wolf" here and in similar forums just too many times now over the years, and all that can be found each time,are squirrels.
A good clear working circuit demonstration is what will separate the men from the boys who cry wolf.
Just my own opinion".

   AND, my opinion, as well...   NickZ
   PS.  The problem is not a lack of interested builders,  it's the lack of true self running, OU devices to replicate. Are there any...?

NickZ:

You are free to give your opinion, but do not forget that you moderate a topic, which deals with a subject that dates back to 2012, and the fact that you and many participants limit themselves to replicating something based on palpable "nothing", may have somehow sharpened your way of looking at things.
As you say, does Overunity Circuits exist?
Are there Self Running systems?
Isn't that the same doubt that motivated you during these long years that you and many others scrutinized circuits merely in speculation and videos without have sure of nothing ?
Isn't that the same doubt that led you to replicate what you currently have on your bench?
Your morale is worth what it is based on your personal experiences, and when you say that interested builders are not lacking, this is only a relative truth, because what I have seen over the years, they are mostly theoretical and not builders.
I could count on my fingers, true builders who passed through here, and those who still resist, with their unshakable faith of achieving a positive result.
Those who run for pleasure never tire!
If you decide to participate you are welcome! You will not be censored for presenting your ideas and opinions.

Welcome to this topic

Best rewards

Nelson Rocha
Title: Re: Nelson Rocha Devices
Post by: nelsonrochaa on May 26, 2020, 09:20:10 PM
Yeah what is your point ? any chance you can point me to some of your work you have from your last 10 years ?

Kind regards  Raymondo

Hi Raycathode,

I will not answer for Onepower, but I believe that some points he mentioned are sincere and factual.
I respect everyone's opinion including yours, but we are not here to discuss the work of the last 10 years of member Onepower, but the work that I proposed to present in this topic, and it does not seem appropriate for us to deviate from that path.
Grateful for your understanding.

Welcome to this topic

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Title: Re: Nelson Rocha Devices
Post by: Void on May 27, 2020, 05:04:06 AM
Void :
I cannot completely agree with you, but I understand your point of view.
In this specific topic, and I speak only of respect for myself and my motivations, I was very clear, and my intention is to captivate people interested in the mission statement I wrote, and only those who do not expect anything in return should join together, and whatever they do is positive will always be for the benefit of the community.
For obvious reasons, the fact that someone presents something concrete helps to motivate people to participate, but we have seen them many times in this and other Forums, people sometimes cross the limit of reasonable, no one are in a position to demand When someone willingly tries to present or share something without asking for anything in return.
Myself, I have daily work, I have family, and all the time I dedicate to this topic will be in exchange for nothing, and only those who genuinely want to help me, and have consideration and respect for my work, will be welcome, I will not be available for singular and personal requirements.

I agree with you  on the point that you refer, that if someone genuinely wants to share it will not put any barrier to show that it really has a positive result by measurements and scrutiny;  in my opinion this is the main point of Open-source, and that will be my intention, whether the result is positive or not.
Welcome to this topic

Best rewards

Nelson Rocha

Dear Nelson,
As I mentioned, I wasn't speaking about you specifically. Just pointing out in general that if someone (anyone) does a clear demonstration of the concept
they are referring to, it will go a long way to help people see if there might be something potentially interesting or not to investigate further. I also of course
did not make any demands on anyone. :-) It was just a suggestion. Just my opinion. Talk about it and they may fall asleep.
Build it and they will come. ;D

Regarding Tesla's pancake coil design, it will store more energy than a regular coil due to its increased inherent capacitance,
but that in itself does not suggest over unity potential. For there to be over unity, there must be a means to draw in (or release)
energy from outside a given circuit's energy source, whatever components may be used in that circuit. Nature can't be fooled.
Extra energy is either drawn in or released by some given circuit configuration or it isn't.

To see a chance at over unity (COP > 1),  we must find a way to draw in energy (or release energy) from outside our circuit's 
energy source (batteries, etc.) into our circuit. There should be no other way to achieve a COP > 1.
This is why most OU schemes are doomed to failure. There is no means in most schemes to draw in or release that extra energy.
Given this, special coil windings or transformer windings are not likely going to produce OU, unless perhaps if their special design
has some special means to draw in or release energy into the circuit.
A few words for people to fall asleep to. That is not meant to criticize anyone or discourage experimentation at all. Just meant to
get people thinking more practically about how OU may possibly be achieved. ;D

All the best...
Title: Re: Nelson Rocha Devices
Post by: EMJunkie on May 27, 2020, 10:07:11 AM
Hi Nelson,

IMO, if someone wants people to join in and experiment with them on some circuit idea, it would really help to
show a working experimental setup demonstration first, in some sort of clear way; and, if it is not self-looped, then show
what measurements they are doing so people can get an idea how the circuit may actually be performing.
If such a circuit demonstration shows real promise, other people likely will join in and start experimenting as well.

If someone just posts some theoretical ideas and shows no practical and clear working circuit demonstration, it is much less
likely other people will show much interest in 'building' and experimenting. I know in your case you said you are
waiting to get some equipment, but I am just commenting in general. If there is no reasonable demonstration presented right from
the start which stands up to reasonable scrutiny, then it is not so likely many people will show much interest.
People have heard boys crying "wolf" here and in similar forums just too many times now over the years, and all that can be found each
time are squirrels. A good clear working circuit demonstration is what will separate the men from the boys who cry wolf.
Just my own opinion.  :D

If all the full details of making a claimed COP > 1 circuit are 'secret to an elite group' as Chris has stated,
then why is that person posting here in an 'open source' forum in the first place? It should be a no-brainer that not many
people are likely to start experimenting if full details of the claimed 'working' circuit are secret and no
reasonable circuit demonstration is presented :D

All the best...



Sounds like a very lazy post here Void!

Secret, you make me laugh! Tell me where the Secrets lay, here (https://overunity.com/18464/partnered-output-coils-builders-group-moderated/msg545088/#msg545088)?

The thing is, most of you here have earned yourselves a bad name, no one wants to give you an open door to attack, see the dilemma!

I have given you all Freely, with Zero Secrets, the Circuit, the Geometrical Configuration, the Waveform's to aim for, and 11 videos to study - Not one of you lazy people have taken on the task!

My Forum Members are so successful because:

   1: They study Hard without Complaining!
   2: They Experiment hard without Complaining!
   3: They make improvements very quickly without Complaining!


The experiment you mention, COP > 4, is based exactly on my work, using a circuit with only a few minor changes to the one I posted here. But the Lazy People here would never know this, because they are too lazy to Learn and do the work!

What a shame, you harass Nelson, after he has been showing for years Machines that show how wrong you people are! He has shared many hundreds of videos with you all, all working machines! What did I say some 5 odd years ago: "A Video Demonstration will not help you", Hmmm. All of you Fizzing up at the Bung, now Nelson is here trying to guide you, you make demand after demand of him with nothing in return! Nelson owes you nothing!

Nelson is not being paid to be here to help you - Yet you feel your'e all so extremely important that you should get a personalised lesson, fully working machine plans, and everything else you demand with it - Makes me sick! Chet please get your peepz in line! This behaviour is disgusting!


@Nelson - Please feel free to delete this post, it really helps no one, just outlines how lazy and self-entitled these people really are, which I have already seen majority of already!

I wish you luck Nelson, you have a tough crowd, they are not bothering me, they know I am not here to put up with this sort of non-sense! Don't forget, you are the Moderator, sometimes some tough love makes for a healthier more motivated working environment that others can be confident working in!

Best wishes, stay safe and well My Friend,
   Chris Sykes
Title: Re: Nelson Rocha Devices
Post by: EMJunkie on May 27, 2020, 10:34:10 AM
Void :
I cannot completely agree with you, but I understand your point of view.
In this specific topic, and I speak only of respect for myself and my motivations, I was very clear, and my intention is to captivate people interested in the mission statement I wrote, and only those who do not expect anything in return should join together, and whatever they do is positive will always be for the benefit of the community.
For obvious reasons, the fact that someone presents something concrete helps to motivate people to participate, but we have seen them many times in this and other Forums, people sometimes cross the limit of reasonable, no one are in a position to demand When someone willingly tries to present or share something without asking for anything in return.
Myself, I have daily work, I have family, and all the time I dedicate to this topic will be in exchange for nothing, and only those who genuinely want to help me, and have consideration and respect for my work, will be welcome, I will not be available for singular and personal requirements.

I agree with you  on the point that you refer, that if someone genuinely wants to share it will not put any barrier to show that it really has a positive result by measurements and scrutiny;  in my opinion this is the main point of Open-source, and that will be my intention, whether the result is positive or not.
Welcome to this topic

Best rewards

Nelson Rocha



@Nelson, a very careful reply, in a very political arena!

When people make that choice to engage this topic, the topic of Energy Research, the educated ones, the people that are smart and see where the Facts have been laid out, with experimental proof, these ones with a Hunger to succeed, will succeed.

Just one example:

Guys, I have a proposal for anyone that is honest and interested.
Please put this statement into your mind without any doubts: The device works on the exact principles Chris shared.

Now please go to the workbench and don't quit until you make it work! There are 2 choices to succeed: be smart and do it fast or be stubborn (like me) and do it by failing many times first. Either one works.


Try to focus on those people.

Independent replication, individual confirmation, speaks louder than any buffoon yelling Secrets from some roof top! There are always going to be Un-Educated Buffoons with plenty to say with Zero Experience!

There will be a large number of readers just to lazy to get an Experiment started, so ignore these types. You know the path forward, so on your thread, where you are the Moderator, you moderate as needed!

You have control here, don't let others control the direction of your thread!

Best wishes, stay safe and well My Friend,
   Chris Sykes
Title: Re: Nelson Rocha Devices
Post by: EMJunkie on May 27, 2020, 10:46:16 AM
  Void:   You mentioned: "People have heard boys crying "wolf" here and in similar forums just too many times now over the years, and all that can be found each time,are squirrels.
A good clear working circuit demonstration is what will separate the men from the boys who cry wolf.
Just my own opinion".

   AND, my opinion, as well...   NickZ
   PS.  The problem is not a lack of interested builders,  it's the lack of true self running, OU devices to replicate. Are there any...?




NickZ - Simple question: Did you ever get Tariel Kapanadze's circuit working?

If not, what do you think was the problem?

Is the problem on your part or do you think Tarial Kapanadze is Fake?

Best wishes, stay safe and well in these Boys to Men times,
   Chris Sykes
Title: Re: Nelson Rocha Devices
Post by: Raycathode on May 27, 2020, 10:56:20 AM
Chris, Void if you read some back history here on this tread Mr Void knows what he wants and can go to extreme lengths
I can remember Alien Gray being harassed about a project and he just deflected the pressure by saying Void didn't know his harass (silent h) from his elbow, next thing AG was a has-been gone kicked off.

Chris you can be a pain at times but I like you, be careful we don't need to lose any one else !

Raymondo
Title: Re: Nelson Rocha Devices
Post by: EMJunkie on May 27, 2020, 11:09:57 AM
Chris, Void if you read some back history here on this tread Mr Void knows what he wants and can go to extreme lengths
I can remember Alien Gray being harassed about a project and he just deflected the pressure by saying Void didn't know his harass (silent h) from his elbow, next thing AG was a has-been gone kicked off.

Chris you can be a pain at times but I like you, be careful we don't need to lose any one else !

Raymondo



Alien Grey is an asset, ne1 removing him has an agenda, easy to see. Void and I used to sort of get on. Back in the early days, but I must admit, I am disappointing in that last post!


Quote from: ION link=https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=3319.msg57055#msg57055


Lets hope this doesn't stick, I would hate to see EMJ get credit for an age old non-inductive winding technique. 




Nelson is also an asset here! Momentum requires assets!

Thanks Raymondo, glad to know I am a pain!

Best wishes, stay safe and well,
   Chris Sykes
Title: Re: Nelson Rocha Devices
Post by: NickZ on May 27, 2020, 12:31:19 PM
  EMJunkie:  To answer your question, no, I never replicated any of Kapanadze's devices. Nor will I, as he has not open sourced any of his projects. Nor has anyone else been able to replicate any of his devices, as yet.
  I replicated an earlier Stalker schematic and device, that has clear videos, schematics, and full explanations. And that is what I still have on hand. But, I will not waste more time on something that is not clearly showing all the details. Unless...there is some hope that there is a useful and practical purpose to do so. Yes, I have become kind of like Hoppy was, a bit skeptical after all these years.
  Nelson: Please forgive me if I sound confused, but, do you have a self running device (like the one you showed on youtube), or not? I ask because you mentioned that it is not self running. Can you clear that up for me. And if so, why are you looking into other circuits. As your self running device, is the only thing on this whole forum, that self runs. But, you don't want to discuss it?  Correct?
  All I'm really into, are solid state self runners. But, I am an electronic assembler, not an inventor. Like you.
  In anycase,  as you are asking for help, IF, I can be of help to you, con mucho gusto.
                                                                       NickZ
Title: Re: Nelson Rocha Devices
Post by: Dog-One on May 27, 2020, 06:51:53 PM
So let me ask you guys.  Keeping it simple as I can.

Below is my circuit diagram for the Akula/Ruslan self-powered flashlight.
I greyed out the stuff I feel isn't all that important, at least not for this
post.  The inductor you see could be anything.  Akula used a flyback core,
Ruslan used a pot core and I suppose Nelson could use a pair of bifilar
pancake coils.

I'm not saying one way or another whether this circuit actually works.
Instead, I'm asking this:  If it did work, what would have to happen
in the portion of the circuit I haven't greyed out?

Someone asked the question, "Where does the energy enter the system?"

Suppose for a moment (uh hum), time is the energy we are trying to
get to jump into our devices.  What I mean is, what if we play a little
trick with time.  We know electrical energy typically moves at about
one foot in one nanosecond.  Now imagine if we do a little something
with our inductor where the same electrical energy has to be in two
places at exactly the same time.  Crazy aay?  But just for the sake of
grins let's suppose we have a mechanism to do this.  Then let's suppose
we can get the polarity correct in such a way we can power things
with it.  We can light LEDs, or we can charge a capacitor that keeps
things running.  Or, if we're having a really good day, we can do both.
And it's my suspicion, we have to do both.

If we take the optimistic perspective here that at least one of these
many OU devices we have all seen is real, how could it possibly
work?  I have a hunch the concept is actually very simple and the
technique to make it happen is what's killing us.
Title: Re: Nelson Rocha Devices
Post by: nelsonrochaa on May 27, 2020, 07:54:34 PM
Dear Nelson,
As I mentioned, I wasn't speaking about you specifically. Just pointing out in general that if someone (anyone) does a clear demonstration of the concept
they are referring to, it will go a long way to help people see if there might be something potentially interesting or not to investigate further. I also of course
did not make any demands on anyone. :-) It was just a suggestion. Just my opinion. Talk about it and they may fall asleep.
Build it and they will come. ;D

Regarding Tesla's pancake coil design, it will store more energy than a regular coil due to its increased inherent capacitance,
but that in itself does not suggest over unity potential. For there to be over unity, there must be a means to draw in (or release)
energy from outside a given circuit's energy source, whatever components may be used in that circuit. Nature can't be fooled.
Extra energy is either drawn in or released by some given circuit configuration or it isn't.

To see a chance at over unity (COP > 1),  we must find a way to draw in energy (or release energy) from outside our circuit's 
energy source (batteries, etc.) into our circuit. There should be no other way to achieve a COP > 1.
This is why most OU schemes are doomed to failure. There is no means in most schemes to draw in or release that extra energy.
Given this, special coil windings or transformer windings are not likely going to produce OU, unless perhaps if their special design
has some special means to draw in or release energy into the circuit.
A few words for people to fall asleep to. That is not meant to criticize anyone or discourage experimentation at all. Just meant to
get people thinking more practically about how OU may possibly be achieved. ;D

All the best...


Hi Void ,
I know you weren't talking about me specifically, just as I wasn't talking about you specifically but in general terms, and I respect your opinion and that of everyone even when I disagree.

Regarding your answer about pancake coils:

I'm not sure that you downloaded my mission state pdf on the first page, but if you didn't, you could see that I was clear about the initial objective of this project.

“My intention in returning to this subject is related to the fact that I have done some experiments in the past with a specific oscillator that I develop some years ago , having obtained interesting results with some practical applications like a resonant dielectric  transformer-inverter, with good results.

I would not like to make any kind of claim in particular way , but rather, to develop something practical and a functional system that could be used in favor of the community and documented to be replicated  more easily by the Community users, and in the end , evaluate the efficiency of system with correct measurements,  and that is the main goal of this topic .”


I think I was clear on the highlights, do we agree?
At this point, this is only my goal, and if I defrauded someone even before I started, accept my apologies.
As you mentioned, Nature can't be fooled, but people can be fooled by their Nature.
At no time did I feel that you or anyone could discourage me from this goal, even when some words connote bad energies of disappointment and frustration.
Life has taught me that these are the easiest points to deal with in life, and in the times that we go through the whole union is beneficial for everyone.
You will always be welcome when you want to participate in a constructive and collaborative way.
Thank you for your opinion.

Best Rewards

Nelson Rocha
Title: Re: Nelson Rocha Devices
Post by: Void on May 27, 2020, 08:09:55 PM

Hi Void ,
I know you weren't talking about me specifically, just as I wasn't talking about you specifically but in general terms, and I respect your opinion and that of everyone even when I disagree.

Regarding your answer about pancake coils:

I'm not sure that you downloaded my mission state pdf on the first page, but if you didn't, you could see that I was clear about the initial objective of this project.

“My intention in returning to this subject is related to the fact that I have done some experiments in the past with a specific oscillator that I develop some years ago , having obtained interesting results with some practical applications like a resonant dielectric  transformer-inverter, with good results.

I would not like to make any kind of claim in particular way , but rather, to develop something practical and a functional system that could be used in favor of the community and documented to be replicated  more easily by the Community users, and in the end , evaluate the efficiency of system with correct measurements,  and that is the main goal of this topic .”


I think I was clear on the highlights, do we agree?
At this point, this is only my goal, and if I defrauded someone even before I started, accept my apologies.
As you mentioned, Nature can't be fooled, but people can be fooled by their Nature.
At no time did I feel that you or anyone could discourage me from this goal, even when some words connote bad energies of disappointment and frustration.
Life has taught me that these are the easiest points to deal with in life, and in the times that we go through the whole union is beneficial for everyone.
You will always be welcome when you want to participate in a constructive and collaborative way.
Thank you for your opinion.

Best Rewards

Nelson Rocha

Hi Nelson,

It seems you are not understanding me. I just gave my own personal point of view on Tesla's pancake coil design
and on other coil and transformer winding approaches. What I said comes from many years of experimenting. I made no
statements about your intentions with this thread, so I don't follow you at all. It seems you really do not like honest input
and feedback, so I will keep my views to myself. No worries. :)
All the best..


Title: Re: Nelson Rocha Devices
Post by: nelsonrochaa on May 27, 2020, 08:14:10 PM
  EMJunkie:  To answer your question, no, I never replicated any of Kapanadze's devices. Nor will I, as he has not open sourced any of his projects. Nor has anyone else been able to replicate any of his devices, as yet.
  I replicated an earlier Stalker schematic and device, that has clear videos, schematics, and full explanations. And that is what I still have on hand. But, I will not waste more time on something that is not clearly showing all the details. Unless...there is some hope that there is a useful and practical purpose to do so. Yes, I have become kind of like Hoppy was, a bit skeptical after all these years.
  Nelson: Please forgive me if I sound confused, but, do you have a self running device (like the one you showed on youtube), or not? I ask because you mentioned that it is not self running. Can you clear that up for me. And if so, why are you looking into other circuits. As your self running device, is the only thing on this whole forum, that self runs. But, you don't want to discuss it?  Correct?
  All I'm really into, are solid state self runners. But, I am an electronic assembler, not an inventor. Like you.
  In anycase,  as you are asking for help, IF, I can be of help to you, con mucho gusto.
                                                                       NickZ

Hi Nick

At this moment I have absolutely no circuit in my possession, as they were "retained" by the investor who financed the entire project in which I participated in the last years in German .
Regarding the circuit you are talking about, and I am conditioned by a legal agreement to give you details , I already had the opportunity to refer to some elements of this forum that it is not a self-run system but rather self-feedback;
the idea of this system was that it could be used in electric vehicles (Daimler), as a way of using and recycling energy efficiently, using high density supercaps that store a portion of recovered energy, unified in a loop, That processes feedback to the circuit.
It is an interesting process but not overunity.
I hope you have clarified your doubt.
I will be very happy to count on your participation.

Best rewards

Nelson Rocha
Title: Re: Nelson Rocha Devices
Post by: nelsonrochaa on May 27, 2020, 08:40:18 PM
Hi Nelson,

It seems you are not understanding me. I just gave my own personal point of view on Tesla's pancake coil design
and on other coil and transformer winding approaches. What I said comes from many years of experimenting. I made no
statements about your intentions with this thread, so I don't follow you at all. It seems you really do not like honest input
and feedback, so I will keep my views to myself. No worries. :)
All the best..

Hi Void ,
I understand you very well, but definitely, you unfortunately did not understand me and my answer.
I stressed one of the points, in highlight in my mission state, and you can find some more  interesting info that i mention about pancake coils, namely questions related to their particular characteristics, where you yourself, pointed out one of them.
why wouldn't I like to receive honest opinions? Otherwise, why would I be here trying to involve the community and share my time and experience in this field ?
I'm not worried about your feedback or anyone else's, as it will be welcomed as another opinion, and I hope you continue to share your thoughts,but I feel some discomfort in your words, and I don't understand why.
Perhaps you can enlighten me, and all those who read this topic, where you felt conditioned, as your opinion for my person.
As I said earlier, the objective of this topic is not to promote division but to bring together all the participants,  but being as honest as possible, it seems to me that you are putting yourself aside, and that is not what is intended.
As I told you and I will repeat again, you are very welcome if you want to convey your opinions and thoughts, as long as you are comfortable to do so.

Best rewards

Nelson Rocha
Title: Re: Nelson Rocha Devices
Post by: nelsonrochaa on May 27, 2020, 08:50:23 PM
Hi ,

Chris ,
I understand, some of the less positive points that may have happened in the past, but it is time to leave some of those points in the past and well buried, as we need all the unity in these times of Disgrace.
I would be glad, that everyone could have a friendly coexistence, where everyone could take up their arguments, without becoming a stage of resentments and bad energies.
Once again if you need any support in your work, I will be available to help, as I hope that there are points on this topic that can also involve you in future.
Many thanks Chris .

Best Rewards


Nelson Rocha
Title: Re: Nelson Rocha Devices
Post by: Raycathode on May 27, 2020, 10:54:08 PM
Dog, hello we know this circuit don't we  :D it's the Akula porch light the one that has the 7414 can't be bothered looking for it

I just posted a bread board using this cuicuit on the Dally thread, whats the cut off frequency of a tip 31 ? 20Nsecs  ;D (try 3 mhz) =333ns

Yeah show me the scope shot  ;D now show me it working  ;D now tell me how you have done it ! Any thing is possible  ;D

Regards Raymondo
Title: Re: Nelson Rocha Devices
Post by: EMJunkie on May 28, 2020, 01:00:57 AM
  EMJunkie:  To answer your question, no, I never replicated any of Kapanadze's devices. Nor will I, as he has not open sourced any of his projects. Nor has anyone else been able to replicate any of his devices, as yet.
  I replicated an earlier Stalker schematic and device, that has clear videos, schematics, and full explanations. And that is what I still have on hand. But, I will not waste more time on something that is not clearly showing all the details. Unless...there is some hope that there is a useful and practical purpose to do so. Yes, I have become kind of like Hoppy was, a bit skeptical after all these years.
  Nelson: Please forgive me if I sound confused, but, do you have a self running device (like the one you showed on youtube), or not? I ask because you mentioned that it is not self running. Can you clear that up for me. And if so, why are you looking into other circuits. As your self running device, is the only thing on this whole forum, that self runs. But, you don't want to discuss it?  Correct?
  All I'm really into, are solid state self runners. But, I am an electronic assembler, not an inventor. Like you.
  In anycase,  as you are asking for help, IF, I can be of help to you, con mucho gusto.
                                                                       NickZ



Hi NickZ,

My reply below:


  EMJunkie:  To answer your question, no, I never replicated any of Kapanadze's devices. Nor will I, as he has not open sourced any of his projects. Nor has anyone else been able to replicate any of his devices, as yet.



For the record, I, 100% believe in Kapanadze's work and devices, he is a Giant in the field! 



  I replicated an earlier Stalker schematic and device, that has clear videos, schematics, and full explanations. And that is what I still have on hand. But, I will not waste more time on something that is not clearly showing all the details. Unless...there is some hope that there is a useful and practical purpose to do so. Yes, I have become kind of like Hoppy was, a bit skeptical after all these years.



Great to hear! I wish you luck on that device.

Best wishes, stay safe and well,
   Chris Sykes
Title: Re: Nelson Rocha Devices
Post by: EMJunkie on May 28, 2020, 01:58:57 AM
So let me ask you guys.  Keeping it simple as I can.

Below is my circuit diagram for the Akula/Ruslan self-powered flashlight.
I greyed out the stuff I feel isn't all that important, at least not for this
post.  The inductor you see could be anything.  Akula used a flyback core,
Ruslan used a pot core and I suppose Nelson could use a pair of bifilar
pancake coils.

I'm not saying one way or another whether this circuit actually works.
Instead, I'm asking this:  If it did work, what would have to happen
in the portion of the circuit I haven't greyed out?

Someone asked the question, "Where does the energy enter the system?"

Suppose for a moment (uh hum), time is the energy we are trying to
get to jump into our devices.  What I mean is, what if we play a little
trick with time.  We know electrical energy typically moves at about
one foot in one nanosecond.  Now imagine if we do a little something
with our inductor where the same electrical energy has to be in two
places at exactly the same time.  Crazy aay?  But just for the sake of
grins let's suppose we have a mechanism to do this.  Then let's suppose
we can get the polarity correct in such a way we can power things
with it.  We can light LEDs, or we can charge a capacitor that keeps
things running.  Or, if we're having a really good day, we can do both.
And it's my suspicion, we have to do both.

If we take the optimistic perspective here that at least one of these
many OU devices we have all seen is real, how could it possibly
work?  I have a hunch the concept is actually very simple and the
technique to make it happen is what's killing us.



@DogOne,

Your Post is great to see! Thank You, some 5 odd pages on Nelsons thread and this is by far the best post here! By far the smartest approach! By far the most observant!


So let me ask you guys.  Keeping it simple as I can.

Below is my circuit diagram for the Akula/Ruslan self-powered flashlight.
I greyed out the stuff I feel isn't all that important, at least not for this
post.  The inductor you see could be anything.  Akula used a flyback core,
Ruslan used a pot core and I suppose Nelson could use a pair of bifilar
pancake coils.

I'm not saying one way or another whether this circuit actually works.
Instead, I'm asking this:  If it did work, what would have to happen
in the portion of the circuit I haven't greyed out?



An excellent approach! What is clear, is that 99% of the Circuitry is used to drive the Gate of the Mosfet. This 99% can be put to the side for the moment, and the focus should be on the Coils, the Core and the Magnetic Fields. Of course, this series of Magnetic Interactions in the proximity of the Conducting Coils, is important, of course Electromagnetic Induction occurs every time The Magnetic Field Changes in Time, or the Current Changes in Time in proximity to the Conductors.

Engineers try very hard to eliminate this Parasitic Inductance, but we want to capitalise on this!



Someone asked the question, "Where does the energy enter the system?"




People that ask this question are in desperate need to do more Homework! The Conventional "Generator", would these people ask the same question? What would be their answer? Could they give an answer that makes any sense whatsoever?

   1: Where is the only place inside a "Generator", that has Insulated abundance of Charge?
   2: Why is it, that we must bare the ends of the Copper Coil Conductors, to access this Charge?
   3: What are the processes occurring, to make this Charge become 1: Separated, and then 2: Flow as a Current?
   4: Is there any Electrical Transformation, ever, at any stage of the "Generators" lifetime that re-charges the Copper Coil?


Some people would debate, the Torque on the shaft is the transformation of Energy, to Electrical Energy, and this Transformation is where the Energy comes from, but there is Zero Electrical connection to the Shaft! There has to be, or the Charges would become short circuited! There is Zero Transformation Process occurring here, in the form of Torque, to Electrical Energy, Joules per second!

In point of fact, technically, Faraday's Law of Electromagnetic Induction (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faraday%27s_law_of_induction) predicts E.M.F, Electromotive Force, measured in units of Volts, and the "Generator" can "Generate" a Voltage, or E.M.F with only Windage and Frictional Forces on the Rotor, so this is wrong and not correct!

Only when a Current is Flowing in the "Generator" Coils, a M.M.F, a Torque is imposed on the Shaft!

So, this Shaft Torque is an After Effect of Faraday's Law of Electromagnetic Induction (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faraday%27s_law_of_induction), the Shaft Torque is not the Cause at all!

To answer the question you put forward, we must:

   1: Define what Energy is!
   2: Identify the Only Place this Energy can come from!
   3: Observe the phenomenon that gives rise to the Process of Voltage x Current deemed as 6.24 x 1018 Electrons per second past point P, equaling One Ampere. Kinetic Energy, as the Great Nikola Tesla pointed out.


Einstein's Mass Energy Equivalence (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass%E2%80%93energy_equivalence) is what these people need to study! These people need to do a ton of Homework! Learn what Charge is, learn whats required for Charge to flow, e.g: A Conductor, and learn why Conductivity is so important!

1954, declassified: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xhqMDMMgz0

Energy enters every System the same way, the Solution to the Source Charge Problem is the answer, but many are ignorant to whats really going on here!

There is NO MYSTERY to an educated mind!



Suppose for a moment (uh hum), time is the energy we are trying to
get to jump into our devices.  What I mean is, what if we play a little
trick with time.  We know electrical energy typically moves at about
one foot in one nanosecond.



Time is important, and the Domain we can gain Energy, is in the Time Domain, we can Gain Energy over the course of Time.



Now imagine if we do a little something
with our inductor where the same electrical energy has to be in two
places at exactly the same time.  Crazy aay?  But just for the sake of
grins let's suppose we have a mechanism to do this.  Then let's suppose
we can get the polarity correct in such a way we can power things
with it.  We can light LEDs, or we can charge a capacitor that keeps
things running.  Or, if we're having a really good day, we can do both.
And it's my suspicion, we have to do both.



On My Forum, we recently went through an example:

Quote from: Chris, Me link=http://www.aboveunity.com/thread/conservation-law-broken-on-evidence-of-excess-energy-with-a-capacitor-and-a-coil/?order=all#comment-056fe1ef-5807-4652-ad79-abae016d03a5

My Friends,

@Gravitation, YoElMiCrO has given you the worlds biggest gift!

We see:

Method of "Generation", Charge Separation.
Charge Pumping, Opposite Magnetic Fields.
And more...
 

YoElMiCrO is right, this is very important!





However if we use the above circuit we will see that the sum of the charges will exceed the initial load and as efficiency is (EndQ1+EndQ2)/StartQ1 AU is posible..

This says a lot, everyone start analyzing ...
Q = VcC = It.

 

The Charge on a Capacitor is: Q = C٠V

Where C is the Capacitance in Farads and V is Volts. Q is in Coulombs if Memory serves. So this means, 2200uF = ‭0.0022‬ Farads. Voltage on the Capacitor is 12 Volts at the start. The switch S1, when closed has an RLC Time Constant across the Tank Circuit. For series RLC circuit Time Constant is 2L/R and for parallel RLC circuit Time Constant is 2RC. This means after 1 t, the Charge on C2 can be more than C1!

Note the Similarity to Akula's Circuit! Everyone! This is important! We all have to work on this together! We must Share this with the World! We must make change for our Children and their Children!

Best wishes,

   Chris Sykes



Quote from: Chris, Me link=http://www.aboveunity.com/thread/conservation-law-broken-on-evidence-of-excess-energy-with-a-capacitor-and-a-coil/?order=all#comment-972e2d46-663e-4c0d-a73a-abaf00336695

My Friends,

I should have finished the Equation off!

The Charge on a Capacitor is: Q = C٠V

Where:

C is the Capacitance in Farads.
V is the Voltage in Volts.
Q is in Coulombs. 1 Joule (J) = 1 Volt X 1 Coulomb.
 

So this means, 2200uF = ‭0.0022‬ Farads. Voltage on the Capacitor is 12 Volts at the start.

As YoElMiCrO said:

StartQ1 = 0.0022‬ Farads x 12 Volts = ‭0.0264‬ Coulombs.

 

using the same process, if C1 and C2 ( EndQ1 + EndQ2 ), after 1 Cycle has: ‭0.0265‬ Coulombs, then we have an Above Unity Machine. More Energy Output than was Input!

NOTE: This is possible because we have an Open System, a System that has an Extra, Asymmetrical Energy Input to the System!

Best wishes,

   Chris Sykes



So, in the below Circuit, if you do the Experiment, and get the Coil Polarity correct, and find Resonance, then you can see a gain in Energy this way, as you point out DogOne!

Ask yourself, why have I only drawn one Polarity Dot? What happens to L1 during the Cycle?

Study the next Image down, ask: REACTIVE AT RESONANCE, what is meant by this?



If we take the optimistic perspective here that at least one of these
many OU devices we have all seen is real, how could it possibly
work?  I have a hunch the concept is actually very simple and the
technique to make it happen is what's killing us.




I agree, Understanding is Key, its the understanding of Processes, the Effects, Interactions of the Magnetic Fields, and I like to see optimistic used, I think that's great!

@Nelson, your comments and perspective here would be appreciated!

Best wishes, stay safe and well,
   Chris Sykes
Title: Re: Nelson Rocha Devices
Post by: Atti2 on May 28, 2020, 11:57:04 AM
An idea for understanding. I'm a member of Chris' own forum. But I am not a member of a closed elite group. Therefore, I can only add my own opinion.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3p828czPofw&feature=emb_logo

Similar idea.
http://zsiguli.hu/cikk/55
Title: Re: Nelson Rocha Devices
Post by: lancaIV on May 28, 2020, 12:23:22 PM
Calculating with " ideal numbers" : in vacuum or in air/liquid ?

Only with one directional trapping coil ( ccw or cw) or bi-/multi-filiar(ccw and cw),their poles to load/charger/converter +/- connection  ?
C.O.P. numbers : kunel static dynamo C.O.P. 10 x / 10 Ampere-windings output: 1/1  ratio !

Can we assume that analog in photoelectric the recombination "time window" also in phonoelectic there is the existence from such a "time window", the wave/electron/ion to wire ( absorption or reflection) angle and refractory index number ?

Better to use rough surface coils,with high density ares ~ black silicon,than fine surface coils !Holes per sqmm coil ? Skin effect ! (Eigen-)Spin effect !

We take a DC motor with rotor/propeller/turbine and an AC generator with rotor/propeller/turbine :
                        = DC to AC inversion
Or we take a static device,called DC/AC converter = inverter 

the two rotative rotor/propeller/turbine are represented/transformed in .....   /by  ....... ?!
Flynn parallel path group : linear actuator to rotative actuator ! The used formula !


Richard Fradella : when a 1000 W generator with 1000 RPM nominal generates 1000 Watt then with 100 RPM this generator generates 1 Watt,each cases by ≥ 94% conversion efficiency !

Velocity of electricity in vacuum/in air ?

Sincerely
OCWL
p.s.: taking away from the Sweet VTA the magnets and core :       

air coil and through this a laser beam or electro-magnetic beam  ;)

         ~ photon/phonon into a whole( in one) or white whole
Title: Re: Nelson Rocha Devices
Post by: NickZ on May 28, 2020, 03:54:51 PM
   Guys:   I believe that Nelson has a plan and a purpose for his thread. Without it being filled up and cluttered up with more off topic subjects.  There are other threads, for that. We are here for Nelson's ideas and tests.  At least I am.

   Nelson:  Thanks for your explanation concerning the self runner, that is not self running.
However, I'm still confused. Does that mean that the device runs for a little while (as shown on the video) once the power is cut off, and then stops once it used up it's reserved power? A simple Yes, or  No, would do for now.
   
Title: Re: Nelson Rocha Devices
Post by: Raycathode on May 28, 2020, 07:17:47 PM
Nelson High hope you are well.

Any chance you can explain to the guys here what a nano pulse is and why it is used
there does appear a good bit of confusion and contradictory beliefs and miss understanding.

Some say it's a falling transition and others say it's a rising transition
Others say it's the width of rising and falling pulse or is it inverted?

Thanks so much Raymondo  ;)
Title: Re: Nelson Rocha Devices
Post by: nelsonrochaa on May 29, 2020, 06:27:33 PM
Hi Chris ,
I appreciate your thoughts and I would one statement about what I think.

“Of course, this series of Magnetic Interactions in the proximity of the Conducting Coils, is important, of course Electromagnetic Induction occurs every time The Magnetic Field Changes in Time, or the Current Changes in Time in proximity to the Conductors.”

Electric current produces a magnetic field . But  Magnetic fields can also be used to make electric currents ,exist  a connection and mutuality between both .
we call current to the rate of flow of electric charges in a conductor or by example in a coil of wire .the higher the speed this charges can flow, the higher is the current, like the opposite happens when a magnetic field is accelerated, the current will increase too. This makes either the current in space or the magnetic field in time have reciprocity between them .
Our mind normalizes all motion to unit time this way a reduction in time is equivalent to an increase in space.

 It is also true, that the variation of an electromotive force, in space and time also generates a displacement current.
So a time-varying electric field also produces a magnetic field and vice versa. Thus, we can see that there is a symmetry between electric and magnetic field.
This is the point that i am most interested in exploring:) :
Displacement currents. That's my main reason for this project with bifilar pancakes coils.
When a pancake coil is exposed to a high electric field, depending on the dielectric materials that make it up, there is a polarization of those  materials, oriented their positive charges in the opposite direction to the negative ones, giving rise to a electric field and this yields an internal electric field inside coil ,Perhaps that is the reason for Tesla underline a voltage gain in these bifilar pancake coils.
The energy gap in the dielectric material's is very large and being the air a dialectic agent, we could theorize the possibility of exist a interaction between positive and negative ionic charges existing in the environment as a way to draw energy from outside to the coils.
Are those charges static?
Tesla mentioned in some of his quotes, about these charges not being static …
Was he referring to the Displacement currents?
Who will know?
A good theme to explore :)

Best Rewards

Nelson Rocha
Title: Re: Nelson Rocha Devices
Post by: nelsonrochaa on May 29, 2020, 06:42:39 PM
Nelson High hope you are well.

Any chance you can explain to the guys here what a nano pulse is and why it is used
there does appear a good bit of confusion and contradictory beliefs and miss understanding.

Some say it's a falling transition and others say it's a rising transition
Others say it's the width of rising and falling pulse or is it inverted?

Thanks so much Raymondo  ;)

Hi Raymondo ,
I think the vast majority most know what a nano pulse circuit consists of.
It is usually characterized by Short duration, fast rise time electromagnetic pulses . However, care must be taken when using these types of circuits, as they may cause irreversible damage to your health.
This type of circuit can even create cell mutations.
Take care

Best Rewards

Nelson Rocha
Title: Re: Nelson Rocha Devices
Post by: nelsonrochaa on May 29, 2020, 07:48:22 PM
   Guys:   I believe that Nelson has a plan and a purpose for his thread. Without it being filled up and cluttered up with more off topic subjects.  There are other threads, for that. We are here for Nelson's ideas and tests.  At least I am.

   Nelson:  Thanks for your explanation concerning the self runner, that is not self running.
However, I'm still confused. Does that mean that the device runs for a little while (as shown on the video) once the power is cut off, and then stops once it used up it's reserved power? A simple Yes, or  No, would do for now.
 

Hi Nick ,
I will answer you doubts without low details , but the enough for you to understand.

The circuit self-feedback that you talk , have a pre-charged capacitors;
 when i use the 9volts battery is only to start the electronic circuit system and to start the circuit control  after that the process of feedback has able to maintain the oscillations , and the circuit control system will start discharge in a "special way " those capacitors , but at same time, happens a process of "recycling" on the load on the output and that portion recyclable  is injected again in the input , ensure the operation of the control circuit, and recharge the capacitors in a loop.
The system can operate for a few minutes or even hours, depending on how it is used and the type of load used (inductive is the best) I designed to use in a motor .
This circuit was designed to have an external input, based on brake regeneration, or even a solar panel on the vehicle's roof to prolong the effect described.
The idea would be to increase the autonomy of an electric vehicle through this process that I described to you. In that time I work on that project the model granted by Daimler, was a Vito E-CELL .
It was a really interesting project but it is not an OU system.
I hope you have clarified it.
Because you are still involved in your project, by Kapanadze Cousin I'll share a bonus :) Make good use of it :)

https://photos.app.goo.gl/J6uVSprTRCjRBaie6
 (https://photos.app.goo.gl/J6uVSprTRCjRBaie6)

Best rewards

Nelson Rocha
Title: Re: Nelson Rocha Devices
Post by: EMJunkie on May 29, 2020, 11:50:02 PM
Hi Chris ,
I appreciate your thoughts and I would one statement about what I think.

“Of course, this series of Magnetic Interactions in the proximity of the Conducting Coils, is important, of course Electromagnetic Induction occurs every time The Magnetic Field Changes in Time, or the Current Changes in Time in proximity to the Conductors.”

Electric current produces a magnetic field . But  Magnetic fields can also be used to make electric currents ,exist  a connection and mutuality between both .
we call current to the rate of flow of electric charges in a conductor or by example in a coil of wire .the higher the speed this charges can flow, the higher is the current, like the opposite happens when a magnetic field is accelerated, the current will increase too. This makes either the current in space or the magnetic field in time have reciprocity between them .
Our mind normalizes all motion to unit time this way a reduction in time is equivalent to an increase in space.

 It is also true, that the variation of an electromotive force, in space and time also generates a displacement current.
So a time-varying electric field also produces a magnetic field and vice versa. Thus, we can see that there is a symmetry between electric and magnetic field.
This is the point that i am most interested in exploring:) :
Displacement currents. That's my main reason for this project with bifilar pancakes coils.
When a pancake coil is exposed to a high electric field, depending on the dielectric materials that make it up, there is a polarization of those  materials, oriented their positive charges in the opposite direction to the negative ones, giving rise to a electric field and this yields an internal electric field inside coil ,Perhaps that is the reason for Tesla underline a voltage gain in these bifilar pancake coils.
The energy gap in the dielectric material's is very large and being the air a dialectic agent, we could theorize the possibility of exist a interaction between positive and negative ionic charges existing in the environment as a way to draw energy from outside to the coils.
Are those charges static?
Tesla mentioned in some of his quotes, about these charges not being static …
Was he referring to the Displacement currents?
Who will know?
A good theme to explore :)

Best Rewards

Nelson Rocha



Hey Nelson, completely agree, thus we have the Electro and the Magnetic to make Electromagnetic. The observation at 90 Degrees of the one, seeing either the Electro, or the Magnetic, depending on the 90 Degrees we choose.

Floyd Sweet spoke of Displacement Current, I also have Threads covering this topic. It is an interesting topic:

Quote


According to Maxwell’s theory, the displacement current in vacuum can produce electromotive force on other coil. However, the displacement current in vacuum does not experience electromotive force from other coil. The asymmetrical electromotive forces result in nonconserved energy transmission between any two coils involving one piece of displacement current. In this work, we designed and performed the measurements for such effect. We observed the explicit evidences of non-conserved energy transmission between a toroid solenoid and a parallel plate capacitor. The measured energy increase is well predicted by the numerical estimation.





The Capacitor Plates do not need to be Capacitor Plates, they can be replaced by cleverly thought of Coils! See below image.

I see much resistance to what I am trying to share! It is very hard to trust anyone, but we must soldier on!

Best wishes, stay safe and well,
   Chris Sykes
Title: Re: Nelson Rocha Devices
Post by: partzman on May 30, 2020, 02:32:38 AM
Attached below is a pdf of a flat coiled transformer arrangement I developed over several years stopping in 2016 which I termed MEI or Magneto Electric Induction.  The concept utilizes the distributed capacitance between physically close positioned flat coils and the performance speaks for itself.  This device is an extreme reactive-to-real converter and note the peak reactive input power on the Math(red) trace.  I would also point out the current to voltage phase angle as the device is basically a capacitive load, plus the power density for the physical size using the scope probes for comparison.

The input power is based on the 3MHz sine wave as seen on CH1(yel).  To effectively build this type of device for commercial OU use, this sine wave must be synthesized in a manner that would allow the negative energy portions of the waveform to be returned to the power source.  This is done today in any DC to AC inverter that will accommodate a reactive load but the frequencies are much, much lower.

Regards,
Pm
Title: Re: Nelson Rocha Devices
Post by: NickZ on May 30, 2020, 03:32:28 AM
Hi Nick ,
I will answer you doubts without low details , but the enough for you to understand.

The circuit self-feedback that you talk , have a pre-charged capacitors;
 when i use the 9volts battery is only to start the electronic circuit system and to start the circuit control  after that the process of feedback has able to maintain the oscillations , and the circuit control system will start discharge in a "special way " those capacitors , but at same time, happens a process of "recycling" on the load on the output and that portion recyclable  is injected again in the input , ensure the operation of the control circuit, and recharge the capacitors in a loop.
The system can operate for a few minutes or even hours, depending on how it is used and the type of load used (inductive is the best) I designed to use in a motor .
This circuit was designed to have an external input, based on brake regeneration, or even a solar panel on the vehicle's roof to prolong the effect described.
The idea would be to increase the autonomy of an electric vehicle through this process that I described to you. In that time I work on that project the model granted by Daimler, was a Vito E-CELL .
It was a really interesting project but it is not an OU system.
I hope you have clarified it.
Because you are still involved in your project, by Kapanadze Cousin I'll share a bonus :) Make good use of it :)

https://photos.app.goo.gl/J6uVSprTRCjRBaie6
 (https://photos.app.goo.gl/J6uVSprTRCjRBaie6)

Best rewards

Nelson Rocha

   Nelson:   Thanks for the download, I've saved it for future reference, as it is pretty long but interesting.   You know, after hearing your reply about how the feed back circuit works on that device. I thought, that it works basically the same as what I have. In the sense of feeding some of the output back to the input. Yet, I can not run mine for "hours", or even seconds before it kicks off. Yet, there is feed back power going back to the device's input, but, it is not enough to self sustain itself, as yet. However,   if I were to connect the output feed back loop of my device to two 12v batteries, @ 24v, that are also connected to the input, my device, also would self sustain. Similar to your system.  Until the batteries drained, like happens with your caps. Right?  So, what are we gaining, if fact?  Still no OU nor self running.
   Thanks for providing me with this info,  I do appreciate it. And I believe I understand it all, a little better, now.
   So, where do we go from here???
              NickZ
Title: Re: Nelson Rocha Devices
Post by: Raycathode on May 30, 2020, 11:26:03 AM
   Nelson:   Thanks for the download, I've saved it for future reference, as it is pretty long but interesting.   You know, after hearing your reply about how the feed back circuit works on that device. I thought, that it works basically the same as what I have. In the sense of feeding some of the output back to the input. Yet, I can not run mine for "hours", or even seconds before it kicks off. Yet, there is feed back power going back to the device's input, but, it is not enough to self sustain itself, as yet. However,   if I were to connect the output feed back loop of my device to two 12v batteries, @ 24v, that are also connected to the input, my device, also would self sustain. Similar to your system.  Until the batteries drained, like happens with your caps. Right?  So, what are we gaining, if fact?  Still no OU nor self running.
   Thanks for providing me with this info,  I do appreciate it. And I believe I understand it all, a little better, now.
   So, where do we go from here???
              NickZ
No ? Yes it looks confusingly interesting your a great asset Nelson. Raymondo
Title: Re: Nelson Rocha Devices
Post by: lancaIV on May 30, 2020, 02:15:33 PM
Bom dia,Senhor Rocha !


Uma decada antes eu lido sobre este inventor brasileiro Antonio Henrique de Macedo Lavigne no "1000inventions.org"

https://web.archive.org/web/20090926071315/http://1000inventions.org/ (https://web.archive.org/web/20090926071315/http://1000inventions.org/)

https://worldwide.espacenet.com/searchResults?submitted=true&locale=en_EP&DB=EPODOC&ST=advanced&TI=&AB=&PN=bra&AP=&PR=&PD=&PA=lavigne&IN=&CPC=&IC=&Submit=Search (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/searchResults?submitted=true&locale=en_EP&DB=EPODOC&ST=advanced&TI=&AB=&PN=bra&AP=&PR=&PD=&PA=lavigne&IN=&CPC=&IC=&Submit=Search)


no 1000inventions era esposto o artigo/of(f)erta sobre este desenvolvimento


https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=21&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20011113&CC=BR&NR=0001305A&KC=A (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=21&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20011113&CC=BR&NR=0001305A&KC=A)


poupe se em material/numero de motores em uso na cuisina  e com uma bobinagem capacitiva tambem em energia




Talvez (so) uma visao


Adeus


OCWL


p.s.:
 aquando o estadio em Aveiro durante 95% do anno esta vazio e o Euro-Parque em Santa Maria da Feira mais ou menos em igual situacao isto nao da espaco para eventos de innovacao e desenvolvimento inter-/national,um slogan doa annos 70` :(De)S-Portugal e dos annos 90´ : Portugal-radical !

Ou sem "debitos eco-logicos/nomicos" implementar um

" parque 24/365 aberto de in-vencoes/novacoes", in situ= real
e  no cyberspace= virtual ,
 4d-lab factory ,free download-shareware-archiv :

digitizer photo to digits,C.N.C,C.A.D.,C.I.M./C.A.M.1 inch = 2,54 cm = 25,4 mm = 2540 pixels a 0,01 mm precisao : cloning/reproduction minimum limit

Comecar com os a(c)tuais  300 millions do PALOP ,ligacao internet,intercommunicacao barata e depressa

agua potavel ,arrefecimento de alimentacao/bebidas/medicamentos ,
Frio para armazenar( 3d foam dome- armazem printer )  alimentos saisonais  :
os agricultores podem ganhar mais / nao pressao de venda por qualquer preco


cada um  pode dar (ideias,material novo/usado) e cada um pode levar( plano 3d/schemata,pecas)

incluido escola/universidades/empresas/organos estatais -interligacao ! Inter-/nat-/ nac-ional

Recolha e transformao de electrodomesticos ? Optimizacao !?
Os journais "Journal de Noticias" e "Publico" tinham as vezes periodicamente artigos sobre innovacoes nacionais !

Eu lembre-me sobre um filtro para agua  em argila/barro da Universidade de Aveiro barato e efe(c)tivo,


sobre o sistema da construcao dum Engenheiro Santos chamado "interbloco"(medalha d´ouro da Organizacao Mundial e umas medalhas aureas mais de outras organizacoes ) produzido por a empresa Nefil em Mangualde : 100 sqm em 5 dias construido,2400 blocos a 125 Esc. cada !

Tenho ainds a pagina do magazin sobre o sistema  "interbloco" e tambem -por pedido- o catalogue dessa empresa !Construir casa em condicao economica como a WASP,Italia : em blocos ou 3d ! Barato e seguro !

Da empresa CAPA em Valongo/Distri(c)to Porto :A prototipagem ,depois do estudo,  da " casa modular" futura similar os objectos archive.org :  www.fabprefab.com
 (http://www.fabprefab.com)e do Ikea-challenge os "Polikatoikea"-ganhadores
 

2006/2007 com o Engenheiro Tiago Coelho eu tinha um encontro, nao muito longe da cidade Aveiro,nos arredores com um inventor portugues ,sobre dele era um artigo esposto num journal national , o objecto era : rebobinar motores com "capacitores" ! ;)   

O povo portugues nao e stupido ,mas muitas vezes o clima suave e a nao necessidade de trabalhar deixe o pessoal ser visto por outros como " pobre" ! ::)

O pais Portugal tem um contrato com a M.I.T. e por a camera luso-alema o norte e patrocinado por o " Freistaat Bayern/Baviera": aquando tal ajuda( compensacao ? ::) Levar os melhores studentes !?) esta em of(f)erta nao vale uma/duas/... penas a recusar innovacoes internacionais,talvez - por gratia- porque os inventores sao so desenvolver uma ideia velha e ja esposta oficial  ( nos archivos  ) e sem direitos e limtes com(m) erciais !

Aeroporto Beja : com 3000 Euros e mais custos/gastos  por mes de "Seniorenresidenzen/old peoples home/lar 3ra idade" na Europa-Central o Alentejo pode se transformar num "cocooning place" para os reformistas/pensionistas do norte !

A Costa Vi(n)centina est larga ! ;)
" Aldeias verdes " sob ideia Dante Bini ,integrado na paisagem,podem ser uma solucao win-win !

Nos Estados Unidos ha zonas aonde so pessoas de alta idade podem viver ,interdito jovens : zona Phoenix,Palm Springs  ,condominios fechados !
Multigeneration aldeias dao mais ganho a todos : dar e levar !Ao lado de communidades rurais ? "Leben /Urlaub auf dem Bauernhof/-Land" com todos Mega-City-Services  8) e inter-drones teleferique

Aviaons/planes/Flugzeuge from long cabin to UFO-round,P.M.-magazine 80' exposition,
start area anymore long piste:  Air carrier Hawk : vertical lifting/start ,helicopter like

70' :Radio (Telvisao) Luxemburg " Spiele ohne Grenzen"
2020- "Unvermindert Leben mit geringen Grenzen "
Title: Re: Nelson Rocha Devices
Post by: conradelektro on May 30, 2020, 03:43:07 PM
This thread is called "Nelson Rocha Device" therefor I expected to see a device and hopefully a circuit diagram and helpful specifications allowing replication.

Nelson Rocha said somewhere in this thread that he has no device to show because he is not allowed to.

My humble question: What will be discussed in this thread?

So far I saw random ramblings or cryptic speculations. Everything is allowed and my expectations do not matter, but does it make sense? Again "I have something but I will not show it"?

Greetings, Conrad
Title: Re: Nelson Rocha Devices
Post by: nelsonrochaa on May 30, 2020, 04:42:48 PM
This thread is called "Nelson Rocha Device" therefor I expected to see a device and hopefully a circuit diagram and helpful specifications allowing replication.

Nelson Rocha said somewhere in this thread that he has no device to show because he is not allowed to.

My humble question: What will be discussed in this thread?

So far I saw random ramblings or cryptic speculations. Everything is allowed and my expectations do not matter, but does it make sense? Again "I have something but I will not show it"?

Greetings, Conrad
Hi Conrad,
I understand your concerns, as well as your posture, but I advise you to have a more relaxed posture, so that you don't get so bored.
It seems to me that you have made an interception in line with your thoughts and convictions.
This thread does not deal with the circuit you are referring to, and in an off topic question Nick asked me some details about that specific circuit, but that circuit is not included in this thread .Hope that was clear to you .

If you want to have a humble stance, and have a humble response on my part, you should have read the mission state document at the beginning of the thread where I mention exactly what is going to be done, and how it is going to be done.
In that document you could understand that what I propose to develop in this thread, is related to bifilar pancake coils, and a resonant transformer.
Wasn't that the reason you shared your pancake coils videos in the first posts?
Or were you just trying to pay tribute to your "heroes"?

The oscillator circuit that will be used in this experiment, was already shared publicly in this same forum in 2017, but I understand that some of these details can pass you by, if your intentions are not genuine or be a passive and inattentive element.
The steps of this project will initially go through myself, making the proposed system, documenting it, and testing it to understand if there is any added value. Only and after these procedures, will the conditions be met so that it can be replicated by interested people.

I wouldn't want people like you to accuse me of making people waste materials and time, and as I feel that you have a great interest in this topic, I would be very sad if you would charge me for it in the future.
All construction steps will be documented, as well as circuits and diagrams.
Completely Clarified?

So I ask you to  keep that sarcasm out of your statement, "I have something but I will not show it? “ Because for a member with your seniority in this forum it looks bad, People with your life experience, should be references in forums like this, and unfortunately that sense of responsibility that I speak, escapes you.

I hope you have a good day
Title: Re: Nelson Rocha Devices
Post by: nelsonrochaa on May 30, 2020, 05:18:18 PM
Attached below is a pdf of a flat coiled transformer arrangement I developed over several years stopping in 2016 which I termed MEI or Magneto Electric Induction.  The concept utilizes the distributed capacitance between physically close positioned flat coils and the performance speaks for itself.  This device is an extreme reactive-to-real converter and note the peak reactive input power on the Math(red) trace.  I would also point out the current to voltage phase angle as the device is basically a capacitive load, plus the power density for the physical size using the scope probes for comparison.

The input power is based on the 3MHz sine wave as seen on CH1(yel).  To effectively build this type of device for commercial OU use, this sine wave must be synthesized in a manner that would allow the negative energy portions of the waveform to be returned to the power source.  This is done today in any DC to AC inverter that will accommodate a reactive load but the frequencies are much, much lower.

Regards,
Pm

Hi Partzman ,
I am very grateful for your sharing, and I will carefully read the PDF description of the system you list.
Perhaps in the future I can successfully replicate your project, it seems to me a very interesting circuit to be duplicated in the future when I am more available.
The project I'm starting on this thread works in a much lower frequency range, than the one you use on your system ,as well as the type of signal to be used in the oscillations is square wave , that I think will facilitate replication in general.
The design of the coils is also different since after a quicker and more superficial analysis of the document you shared, in your system it is not used in the design of pancake coils wire with plastic coating, which allows the use of dialectic characteristics existing in pancake coils in a more pronounced way, and that for me is one of the key points of this system that I'm working on right now.

I don't normally replicate other systems, because I have my own ideas in mind, which I still try to materialize (lack of time), but which is sometimes not so easy to materialize and it can take a long time until reaching the final goal.
Perhaps it can be a good therapy for me to sometimes replicate another circuit outside the context of my ideas and mind.
I sincerely thank you for your sharing, and I hope that in a more advanced future I can count more on your opinion, whether in this topic here or in OU research.

Best rewards
Nelson Rocha
Title: Re: Nelson Rocha Devices
Post by: nelsonrochaa on May 30, 2020, 05:28:21 PM
   Nelson:   Thanks for the download, I've saved it for future reference, as it is pretty long but interesting.   You know, after hearing your reply about how the feed back circuit works on that device. I thought, that it works basically the same as what I have. In the sense of feeding some of the output back to the input. Yet, I can not run mine for "hours", or even seconds before it kicks off. Yet, there is feed back power going back to the device's input, but, it is not enough to self sustain itself, as yet. However,   if I were to connect the output feed back loop of my device to two 12v batteries, @ 24v, that are also connected to the input, my device, also would self sustain. Similar to your system.  Until the batteries drained, like happens with your caps. Right?  So, what are we gaining, if fact?  Still no OU nor self running.
   Thanks for providing me with this info,  I do appreciate it. And I believe I understand it all, a little better, now.
   So, where do we go from here???
              NickZ

Nick ,
I'm going to apologize to you, but don't ask me again to talk about this subject.
Less involved people like to take advantage of certain issues to promote their own "inner wars" and very special and proper connotations.
That is not what is intended in this topic , even if it passes them by.
Thank you Nick for your understanding.

Best rewards

Nelson Rocha
Title: Re: Nelson Rocha Devices
Post by: NickZ on May 30, 2020, 05:44:18 PM
     Nelson:
     Ok, ok.  No more questions about that topic. Sorry, I  get it.
  The thing is... that some of us are very hungry for free energy, especially now, with the current uncertain world situation, and so, we are very focused on that type of FE device, if it is self running. And if not, then I need to consider that, as this is a OU, or self running type of forum. And not just another more efficient oscillator circuit or device, but that is not OU. So, if the ultimate purpose of a device is not OU, then, well... that may not interest some of us. 
   I did ask for a simple yes, or no, trying not too dive to deep into it. But, your answer was of upmost importance, to me.
   I have spent over 10 years at this purpose, to no avail. Lol...
   Thanks again for your putting up with me, and answering my questions the best that you can. I do appreciate it.
   NickZ
   PS. But, as you can see, we are like a pack of wild wolfs, hungry for some fresh meat.
   And,  and time is running out. Shit has already hit the fan... 
   Thanks for understanding.
Title: Re: Nelson Rocha Devices
Post by: nelsonrochaa on May 30, 2020, 06:48:21 PM
     Nelson:
     Ok, ok.  No more questions about that topic. Sorry, I  get it.
  The thing is... that some of us are very hungry for free energy, especially now, with the current uncertain world situation, and so, we are very focused on that type of FE device, if it is self running. And if not, then I need to consider that, as this is a OU, or self running type of forum. And not just another more efficient oscillator circuit or device, but that is not OU. So, if the ultimate purpose of a device is not OU, then, well... that may not interest some of us. 
   I did ask for a simple yes, or no, trying not too dive to deep into it. But, your answer was of upmost importance, to me.
   I have spent over 10 years at this purpose, to no avail. Lol...
   Thanks again for your putting up with me, and answering my questions the best that you can. I do appreciate it.
   NickZ
   PS. But, as you can see, we are like a pack of wild wolfs, hungry for some fresh meat.
   And,  and time is running out. Shit has already hit the fan... 
   Thanks for understanding.


Nick

I was clear in the mission state I wrote, and nowhere I did  mention OU.
I could tell you that the last replication i did in Germany of this system, was evaluated by two external entities, where one of them reached at a value close to   COP 3, but what difference would it make me to promote or speculate about that result  to only catch people attention ?
 I do not live on external profits or donations , I have my work and I do that by pleasure.
There are too many factors, to be considered by me to make ads of this nature, that can create false expectations in people, and excessive personal charges to my person by some.
The houses don't start with a roof, but on the ground because the logic of gravity defines it in our common sense :)
I am not concerned that some of you are not interested in this topic just because I did not announce or make a claim that I would build an OU system.
I am sure that many people will get involved, without asking for anything in return, and only by the route they can follow throughout the construction process.
In the end, we will have the chance to check whether it was worth it or not, but it will certainly be more productive, than to disdain and simply stand with arms crossed, behind a computer, ruminating on personal frustrations.

This forum is not a convenience market, where people can buy a OU device 7 days a week!
But well, even people who are not interested, will always be welcome to participate when they see fit, as soon as in moderation and mutual respect.
I appreciate your sincerity, and good luck in your goals, you should certainly read the document that I shared with you if you really want to clarify some less clear points in the topic that you are involved with.

Best rewards
Nelson Rocha
Title: Re: Nelson Rocha Devices
Post by: Raycathode on May 30, 2020, 09:36:49 PM
Hi Nelson, the subject you talk about above is in deed an interesting subject, however i fear Nick by self-admittance
might not be into experimentation unfortunately.

I have read the paper through but at the end, who ever wrote it admitted it wasn’t the best route or best way to build such a device
he or she does talk about a second part to the document, I don't suppose you have access to that and that you might also share that too as That too would be equally appreciated.

Raymondo 
Title: Re: Nelson Rocha Devices
Post by: nelsonrochaa on May 30, 2020, 10:28:53 PM
Hi Nelson, the subject you talk about above is in deed an interesting subject, however i fear Nick by self-admittance
might not be into experimentation unfortunately.

I have read the paper through but at the end, who ever wrote it admitted it wasn’t the best route or best way to build such a device
he or she does talk about a second part to the document, I don't suppose you have access to that and that you might also share that too as That too would be equally appreciated.

Raymondo


Hi Raymondo ,
Unfortunately, that document was given to me by someone I stopped contacting a long time ago.
But I thought it might be interesting since it is linked to the theory of building the kapanaze device, and debunking about some points on the subject, where several tests are included in different configurations and in the construction of the coil.
And yes I know that in the document it is clearly stated that no excess energy is found, but I am sure that some points will be of great use to the most attentive and experienced exprimenters who continue to pursue that goal.

Best rewards

Nelson Rocha
Title: Re: Nelson Rocha Devices
Post by: EMJunkie on June 01, 2020, 12:00:30 AM



Nelson, basic question for you:

In Your Opinion; Does the Energy come from inside the Insulated Copper Wire? But only when the right conditions are met for the Charge to flow?

FYI: In reference to this post: Here (https://overunity.com/18493/cyril-smith-aka-smudge-builders-group/msg546244/#msg546244)

I am sure it does, at lower than the Electron Level, Energy may enter the Wire at that level, but the Energy we use, the Energy we measure, it comes directly from Inside the Insulated Wire.

I mean you had an Air Core!

Best wishes, stay safe and well,
   Chris Sykes
Title: Re: Nelson Rocha Devices
Post by: nelsonrochaa on June 01, 2020, 11:16:37 PM


Nelson, basic question for you:

In Your Opinion; Does the Energy come from inside the Insulated Copper Wire? But only when the right conditions are met for the Charge to flow?

FYI: In reference to this post: Here (https://overunity.com/18493/cyril-smith-aka-smudge-builders-group/msg546244/#msg546244)

I am sure it does, at lower than the Electron Level, Energy may enter the Wire at that level, but the Energy we use, the Energy we measure, it comes directly from Inside the Insulated Wire.

I mean you had an Air Core!

Best wishes, stay safe and well,
   Chris Sykes


Hi Chris, hope you goes well,
In Your Opinion; Does the Energy come from inside the Insulated Copper Wire? But only when the right conditions are met for the Charge to flow?
Chris , in my opinion  the energy cannot be contained in the wire, inside or outside ; the material of wire it should be liable to be a path to charges (electron flow and for these movements occur, like cooper meets these conditions.
Therefore, it would not be correct in my perspective to establish that the wire contains energy, but rather behaves as a medium for energy manifest itself, in this case  when EMF is applied in the wire or by variation of magnetic field  by a magnet for example .
The electron charges in wire  acquired energy from outside to react and flow, but without this external energy should a current flow in the wire ? No .
This is my perspective .

Best Rewards

Nelson Rocha

Title: Re: Nelson Rocha Workbench
Post by: NickZ on June 01, 2020, 11:55:54 PM
  And all energy in all generators come from that external source. Not by the movement of magnets by coils, like is still taught in schools. Without the external force we would still be lighting candles.
Title: Re: Nelson Rocha Devices
Post by: voltaicfractal on June 02, 2020, 06:38:50 AM
The houses don't start with a roof, but on the ground because the logic of gravity defines it in our common sense :)
I am not concerned that some of you are not interested in this topic just because I did not announce or make a claim that I would build an OU system.
I am sure that many people will get involved, without asking for anything in return, and only by the route they can follow throughout the construction process.
In the end, we will have the chance to check whether it was worth it or not, but it will certainly be more productive, than to disdain and simply stand with arms crossed, behind a computer, ruminating on personal frustrations.

This seems like the best approach to me. Focusing on what we can learn. So much of what I thought I knew from reading a book or watching a video had to be replaced when I was confronted with an observation that contradicted the way I had understood things to be. Even among the brilliant minds of these forums where non-conforming ideas are explored there is a great many who believe they already have all the answers. They do not (no one does). If we work together we can find out the answer to questions the great minds have yet to ask.
Title: Re: Nelson Rocha Devices
Post by: EMJunkie on June 02, 2020, 08:33:00 AM

Hi Chris, hope you goes well,
In Your Opinion; Does the Energy come from inside the Insulated Copper Wire? But only when the right conditions are met for the Charge to flow?
Chris , in my opinion  the energy cannot be contained in the wire, inside or outside ; the material of wire it should be liable to be a path to charges (electron flow and for these movements occur, like cooper meets these conditions.
Therefore, it would not be correct in my perspective to establish that the wire contains energy, but rather behaves as a medium for energy manifest itself, in this case  when EMF is applied in the wire or by variation of magnetic field  by a magnet for example .
The electron charges in wire  acquired energy from outside to react and flow, but without this external energy should a current flow in the wire ? No .
This is my perspective .

Best Rewards

Nelson Rocha


Hey Nelson, Yes good perspective!

At an Electron level, all Energy is contained int eh wire then? But Sub Electron Level, the Energy is universal, I think we agree on this perspective.

Thanks Nelson! Everyone has their opinion, but very little of that opinion matches working machines.

Best wishes, stay safe and well My Friend,
   Chris Sykes
Title: Re: Nelson Rocha Workbench
Post by: lancaIV on June 02, 2020, 10:20:34 AM
Mr.Sykes,good morning !
Are you,Mr.Sykes= MrRocha

I think not ,two different individuals !
"energy is matter " ergo rezipok"matter is energy" : energy is not only defined by objective  matter-difference !
Does energy also mutate like matter ? Why not ,it is by "particle and wave"-duality analog to treat !

When becomes "it= energy"  from the stadium-terminus definition ,geral/specific(individal) un-/conditionzed , 1st stage "pressure" to to 2nd stage "force" to the 3rd physical stadium-terminus "energy" ?
How many "energy"-stages are physical ,in geral,accepted 2020,internal different or only dependent from external
observant position ?The subect observant his own speed/veocity in relation to the external " observed "energy-object or" object energy" them speed/velocity ?

Context(e) dependence : " energy is not destroyable" real or wrong hypothesis ?
Physical arguments by reproduceable facts
Realspace versus Hyperspace : ex-/in-cluded "time dilatation" = "stroying conditioning"

Argumenting by/with same Raum-Zeit/Space-Time-Matrix ? Not possible cause there is ever changement !

Btw " religions" are Time-Lord philosophies,space independent,velocity and speed independent

         It is how It is,without question "why"

        "why"-resolvement is philosophy/philology neutral physics branch

You,Mr.Sykes,are inside the Heisenberg-Dilemma  8) :)
Is before the evolution stage,by given freedom(e)-degrees,soon a first stage " the formation" as destination,physical responses and not "philological/pilosophical" :

minimum 4d pre-destination,by planet Earth as Solarsystem Sub-membership,the Solarsystem as Galaxy-system "Milky Way" - Sub-membership

How much decisions with total/zero "freedom-degree(s)!? Axiomatik !
"Was zuerst ,what first ? Henne or Ei/egg"- question response Dilemma !
IM-/EX-/DE-PORTANCE of "?" and "!"   to be a " good/ bad" guy/guide ? ::)
SincerelyOCWL
Title: Re: Nelson Rocha Workbench
Post by: ramset on June 18, 2020, 12:47:13 AM
Just a note:I believe some much needed equipment is on its way to Nelson...spoke with a researcher today who had assisted with a better vendor [quicker and reliable ... with product support]
will hopefully touch base tomorrow with Nelson just to be sure things go smoothly

IMO persons who share their work open source ...require all the support we can muster...this way those who cannot do the experiments can help those who can .and all is transparent and shared..

much gratitude and respect  Chet K
Title: Re: Nelson Rocha Workbench
Post by: NickZ on June 18, 2020, 02:44:21 AM
   Ramset:   Thanks for the info. I hope that NELSON gets what he needs to continue soon.I too received a new scope given to me by a member of this forum. I wish that I could remember his name now, to give him my gratitude, once again.
Title: Re: Nelson Rocha Workbench
Post by: NickZ on June 18, 2020, 03:01:32 AM
   It seams that when we are not buzy building something, we get diverted into another direction, instead. And, no matter how many opinions and  discussions are voiced, little to nothing is achieved. The issue now, is what to build, instead.It does amaze me to see just how many people still think that the world is flat. And that we'll fall off the edge, if we go too far. Even when that's never happened.

Title: Re: Nelson Rocha Workbench
Post by: onepower on June 18, 2020, 05:45:44 PM
Nickz
It can be hard to see through the fog of opinions and distractions here however Nelson has given you much to think about in post #70 and #72.

Here is what I usually do with other inventors work, copy the text then start breaking it down sentence by sentence. Think about keywords and context and keep repeating the words in your mind. Ask yourself what does this phrase mean, why, in what context?.

This will condition your mind and you can learn how to truly listen. Most people do not listen to others nor do they read what was written. They glance through seeing what they want to see from there perspective.

In fact Nelson has described much about this technology and I know this because I was doing almost the same thing from a slightly different perspective. We need to tune out all the noise and listen to others to learn.

Regards





Title: Re: Nelson Rocha Workbench
Post by: NickZ on June 18, 2020, 06:06:43 PM
   All well and good, but Nelson does not own this tech, and has not built a self running device, ever. No one here has.
So, just who do you listen to, or follow. It's like the blind leading the blind. And the ones who can see, will not show us the way.   Do you really think that you can do what all the scientist in the world with all their instruments, labs, and money can't do?I know that this and more is possible, and is already being use in the underground secret labs, EM space crafts, etz...
Notice how there is no smoke marks, inside of the Great Pyramid. There are miles and miles of underground tunnels worldwide.Were they all lit with torches. Why do thousands of structures in Russian, India, and other places have dome roofs, and granite walls,
What does that tell you...It tells me that we are more than just stupid.
Title: Re: Nelson Rocha Workbench
Post by: AlienGrey on June 18, 2020, 08:02:39 PM
   All well and good, but Nelson does not own this tech, and has not built a self running device, ever. No one here has.
So, just who do you listen to, or follow. It's like the blind leading the blind. And the ones who can see, will not show us the way.   Do you really think that you can do what all the scientist in the world with all their instruments, labs, and money can't do?I know that this and more is possible, and is already being use in the underground secret labs, EM space crafts, etz...
Notice how there is no smoke marks, inside of the Great Pyramid. There are miles and miles of underground tunnels worldwide.Were they all lit with torches. Why do thousands of structures in Russian, India, and other places have dome roofs, and granite walls,
What does that tell you...It tells me that we are more than just stupid.
Who were the Elohim ? (the powerfull ones) the garden of edem incorectly translated was the garden of animals ! meaning us in Sumarian times about 7000 years BCE.
Any way this is the wrong thread for ancieny history defonitions.
go over to GIYA chennel for the truth. Not here
AG
Title: Re: Nelson Rocha Workbench
Post by: NickZ on June 18, 2020, 08:31:13 PM
   AlienGrey:
   Oh, sorry. I thought that I was talking about real things, still around and in use. AG, or is it Ray? Never a dull moment.
   When we look at ancient megalithic structures, and how, why, and where they were build, do you just considered them to be old useless shit? Well, I leave no rocks un turned. They did know how to build what we can't even begin to replicated, today.
But, that is of no interest to us here? Right? Well, it is to me. Sorry to bore you. Perhaps it's you that needs to go elsewhere, if you don't like what is being said, here. You've got some balls to tell me what to do, and where to go. Ray, or Alien, or whoever.
But, BTW. It's Eden, and it was an actual place and location. No fairy tales. I mentioned nothing about religion. You did.
Title: Re: Nelson Rocha Workbench
Post by: onepower on June 19, 2020, 04:09:48 AM
Nickz
All well and good, but Nelson does not own this tech, and has not built a self running device, ever. No one here has.
So, just who do you listen to, or follow. It's like the blind leading the blind. And the ones who can see, will not show us the way.   Do you really think that you can do what all the scientist in the world with all their instruments, labs, and money can't do?I know that this and more is possible, and is already being use in the underground secret labs, EM space crafts, etz...

I find your attitude strange because D.M.Cook, Nikola Tesla, T.H.Moray, Hendershot, Floyd Sweet and hundreds of others solved the problem many by the light of gas lanterns in run down sheds using cotton and wax as insulators for there conductors. Meanwhile you have the combined knowledge of most of mankind as internet at your fingertips, microcomputers and electronics and the global overnight shipping of materials yet continue to be unable to produce the desired results.

Quote
Do you really think that you can do what all the scientist in the world with all their instruments, labs, and money can't do?

Absolutely because maybe 6% are involved in advanced electrodynamics theory, half of them are using antiquated theory and half of that just incompetent so really were looking at a fraction of a percent and there work will never see the light of day. Those poor people are probably gagged by NDA's/national secrecy  and dictated to by some dim wit in a suit or ex-military so yes my confidence is high. I can basically do whatever the hell I want within reason and answer only to myself so I'm cool with that.

Title: Re: Nelson Rocha Workbench
Post by: NickZ on June 19, 2020, 04:57:58 AM
  Ok, well good luck to you.
Title: Re: Nelson Rocha Workbench
Post by: onepower on June 19, 2020, 05:21:32 PM
Nelson
Quote
The energy gap in the dielectric material's is very large and being the air a dialectic agent, we could theorize the possibility of exist a interaction between positive and negative ionic charges existing in the environment as a way to draw energy from outside to the coils.
Are those charges static?
Tesla mentioned in some of his quotes, about these charges not being static …
Was he referring to the Displacement currents?

Sorry for posting off topic material in your thread in response to Nickz, you can delete it if you want.

In response to the quote above from your post #70, I did an interesting experiment relating to your quote based on the work of T.H.Moray. It was said Moray could generate large amounts of power from his device but also detect movement and sound from great distances. I then occurred to me that a simple 100 foot wire antenna cannot detect movement/sound at a distance, there must be something else.

At which point I imagined a very large electric field surrounding the antenna like a balloon, a virtual antenna if you will, not material in itself but able to interact with the material of the antenna. At which point I built an antenna with a HV capacitor attached to ground for isolation and charged the antenna to some 100 kV. Here the electric field of the antenna could be detected some 20 to 30 feet away with my electrometer.

I also noticed that there were always fluctuations in the readings so I then invented an isolated/insulated electronic version of Tesla's coherer which was placed within the dielectric of the HV capacitor. In fact this apparatus can detect almost any nearby disturbances for the same reasons a HF joule thief changes frequency and input power when we move our hand near it. So while my HV virtual antenna and a HF oscillator like a joule thief may seem very different in appearance the laws of science which dictate there action remain.

I could have spent months maybe years studying this single device and all the phenomena related to it however I tend to prove a theory then move on to the next one. So yes a large electric field not constrained externally and free to move is displaced by external forces which can be detected with sufficiently sensitive equipment. As well, it should be understood these disturbances and displacements are not due to the obvious answer that my device was detecting common RF radio signals or 60 Hz power fluctuations. It was not RF or domestic power because when I demodulated the disturbances or signals no RF or 60 Hz was present.

It's actually quite easy in retrospect and a 5$ 15 kV negative ion generator, homemade HV capacitor and DIY electrometer circuit is a good start. My point is that reality and nature are not static, it is not a line diagram on a piece of paper nor equations in a textbook. Nature is messy, it's chaotic and in perpetual motion on almost every level except our own which gives the false appearance of being static.

I hope this adds to your conversation and gives people something to think about.

Regards
Title: Re: Nelson Rocha Workbench
Post by: NickZ on June 19, 2020, 05:47:42 PM
   Onepower:   Ok, well thanks for your post. Not sure what it has to do with Free Energy. But, I am sure that there is more to all this than meets the eyes. Anything that Tesla has stated is of interest to me, not sure about Moray, as I have not studied his work. However, Akula did mention that his Tesla coil transmitter signal could be heard on his car radio, quite a ways away, something like a kilometer away the device.
   Thanks again,
                        NickZ
Title: Re: Nelson Rocha Workbench
Post by: onepower on August 04, 2020, 05:42:11 PM
Nickz
Quote
Onepower:   Ok, well thanks for your post. Not sure what it has to do with Free Energy. But, I am sure that there is more to all this than meets the eyes. Anything that Tesla has stated is of interest to me, not sure about Moray, as I have not studied his work. However, Akula did mention that his Tesla coil transmitter signal could be heard on his car radio, quite a ways away, something like a kilometer away the device.

I understand, you should look at T.H. Morays work which is massive and I would consider him to be the best FE resource.

This document is the bible of free energy in my opinion and is required reading...
http://www.naturalphilosophy.org/pdf/ebooks/Moray-TheSeaofEnergy.pdf

Moray explains his reasoning and the technology but more important he shows us the proper perspective. We are literally swimming in a sea of energy where everything is already in perpetual motion. So we need to discard this absurd notion of creation and think transformation. There is no need to create anything nor could we and all energy and mass relates solely to transformations.

This is why I could look at Nelson's work and understand what he was doing because I wasn't looking for a source supposedly creating something from nothing. I was looking for a specific process which produced a transformation of energy or force in this case. In fact it was obvious and the first thing I always do is look for something out of place, something which is different. From there I work the problem backwards, what is different, what is it doing and why?.

Understand, every circuit is swimming in a sea of energy which is also inside the physical material. When we disturb the material of the circuit the sea of energy reacts and in this way we can access any amount of energy. Energy is motion and everything, everywhere is already in perpetual motion. By far the greatest insight I ever had is that creation was a myth and what I was looking for was a transformation. I give credit to Moray and his work which is why I consider it mandatory reading.

Regards

Title: Re: Nelson Rochaa Devices
Post by: Jeg on August 08, 2020, 10:53:03 AM

Tesla, within a patent relating to their use explains that bifilar or double pancake coils are able to
store many times more energy than single wire coils.
Bifilar coils maximize the voltage between turns.


Hi guys.
Lets assume that we have 12 wires in a straight line all in a parallel position between each other. All connected like Tesla's bifilar coil meaning that each conductor is connected at its end with the beginning of the next wire. We know that capacitance is evenly distributed this way and voltage difference is steady at any point between two adjacent wires.

Lets say now that those 12 wires are again wired like Tesla's bifilar but this time they are not in a parallel position but twisted. What the difference would be is terms of capacitance? What the difference would be in terms of stored energy?

Thanks in advance
Jeg