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Online NickZ

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« Reply #90 on: June 18, 2020, 03:01:32 AM »
   It seams that when we are not buzy building something, we get diverted into another direction, instead. And, no matter how many opinions and  discussions are voiced, little to nothing is achieved. The issue now, is what to build, instead.It does amaze me to see just how many people still think that the world is flat. And that we'll fall off the edge, if we go too far. Even when that's never happened.


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« Reply #91 on: June 18, 2020, 05:45:44 PM »
Nickz
It can be hard to see through the fog of opinions and distractions here however Nelson has given you much to think about in post #70 and #72.

Here is what I usually do with other inventors work, copy the text then start breaking it down sentence by sentence. Think about keywords and context and keep repeating the words in your mind. Ask yourself what does this phrase mean, why, in what context?.

This will condition your mind and you can learn how to truly listen. Most people do not listen to others nor do they read what was written. They glance through seeing what they want to see from there perspective.

In fact Nelson has described much about this technology and I know this because I was doing almost the same thing from a slightly different perspective. We need to tune out all the noise and listen to others to learn.

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« Reply #92 on: June 18, 2020, 06:06:43 PM »
   All well and good, but Nelson does not own this tech, and has not built a self running device, ever. No one here has.
So, just who do you listen to, or follow. It's like the blind leading the blind. And the ones who can see, will not show us the way.   Do you really think that you can do what all the scientist in the world with all their instruments, labs, and money can't do?I know that this and more is possible, and is already being use in the underground secret labs, EM space crafts, etz...
Notice how there is no smoke marks, inside of the Great Pyramid. There are miles and miles of underground tunnels worldwide.Were they all lit with torches. Why do thousands of structures in Russian, India, and other places have dome roofs, and granite walls,
What does that tell you...It tells me that we are more than just stupid.

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« Reply #93 on: June 18, 2020, 08:02:39 PM »
   All well and good, but Nelson does not own this tech, and has not built a self running device, ever. No one here has.
So, just who do you listen to, or follow. It's like the blind leading the blind. And the ones who can see, will not show us the way.   Do you really think that you can do what all the scientist in the world with all their instruments, labs, and money can't do?I know that this and more is possible, and is already being use in the underground secret labs, EM space crafts, etz...
Notice how there is no smoke marks, inside of the Great Pyramid. There are miles and miles of underground tunnels worldwide.Were they all lit with torches. Why do thousands of structures in Russian, India, and other places have dome roofs, and granite walls,
What does that tell you...It tells me that we are more than just stupid.
Who were the Elohim ? (the powerfull ones) the garden of edem incorectly translated was the garden of animals ! meaning us in Sumarian times about 7000 years BCE.
Any way this is the wrong thread for ancieny history defonitions.
go over to GIYA chennel for the truth. Not here
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« Reply #94 on: June 18, 2020, 08:31:13 PM »
   AlienGrey:
   Oh, sorry. I thought that I was talking about real things, still around and in use. AG, or is it Ray? Never a dull moment.
   When we look at ancient megalithic structures, and how, why, and where they were build, do you just considered them to be old useless shit? Well, I leave no rocks un turned. They did know how to build what we can't even begin to replicated, today.
But, that is of no interest to us here? Right? Well, it is to me. Sorry to bore you. Perhaps it's you that needs to go elsewhere, if you don't like what is being said, here. You've got some balls to tell me what to do, and where to go. Ray, or Alien, or whoever.
But, BTW. It's Eden, and it was an actual place and location. No fairy tales. I mentioned nothing about religion. You did.

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« Reply #95 on: June 19, 2020, 04:09:48 AM »
Nickz
All well and good, but Nelson does not own this tech, and has not built a self running device, ever. No one here has.
So, just who do you listen to, or follow. It's like the blind leading the blind. And the ones who can see, will not show us the way.   Do you really think that you can do what all the scientist in the world with all their instruments, labs, and money can't do?I know that this and more is possible, and is already being use in the underground secret labs, EM space crafts, etz...

I find your attitude strange because D.M.Cook, Nikola Tesla, T.H.Moray, Hendershot, Floyd Sweet and hundreds of others solved the problem many by the light of gas lanterns in run down sheds using cotton and wax as insulators for there conductors. Meanwhile you have the combined knowledge of most of mankind as internet at your fingertips, microcomputers and electronics and the global overnight shipping of materials yet continue to be unable to produce the desired results.

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Do you really think that you can do what all the scientist in the world with all their instruments, labs, and money can't do?

Absolutely because maybe 6% are involved in advanced electrodynamics theory, half of them are using antiquated theory and half of that just incompetent so really were looking at a fraction of a percent and there work will never see the light of day. Those poor people are probably gagged by NDA's/national secrecy  and dictated to by some dim wit in a suit or ex-military so yes my confidence is high. I can basically do whatever the hell I want within reason and answer only to myself so I'm cool with that.


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« Reply #96 on: June 19, 2020, 04:57:58 AM »
  Ok, well good luck to you.

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« Reply #97 on: June 19, 2020, 05:21:32 PM »
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The energy gap in the dielectric material's is very large and being the air a dialectic agent, we could theorize the possibility of exist a interaction between positive and negative ionic charges existing in the environment as a way to draw energy from outside to the coils.
Are those charges static?
Tesla mentioned in some of his quotes, about these charges not being static …
Was he referring to the Displacement currents?

Sorry for posting off topic material in your thread in response to Nickz, you can delete it if you want.

In response to the quote above from your post #70, I did an interesting experiment relating to your quote based on the work of T.H.Moray. It was said Moray could generate large amounts of power from his device but also detect movement and sound from great distances. I then occurred to me that a simple 100 foot wire antenna cannot detect movement/sound at a distance, there must be something else.

At which point I imagined a very large electric field surrounding the antenna like a balloon, a virtual antenna if you will, not material in itself but able to interact with the material of the antenna. At which point I built an antenna with a HV capacitor attached to ground for isolation and charged the antenna to some 100 kV. Here the electric field of the antenna could be detected some 20 to 30 feet away with my electrometer.

I also noticed that there were always fluctuations in the readings so I then invented an isolated/insulated electronic version of Tesla's coherer which was placed within the dielectric of the HV capacitor. In fact this apparatus can detect almost any nearby disturbances for the same reasons a HF joule thief changes frequency and input power when we move our hand near it. So while my HV virtual antenna and a HF oscillator like a joule thief may seem very different in appearance the laws of science which dictate there action remain.

I could have spent months maybe years studying this single device and all the phenomena related to it however I tend to prove a theory then move on to the next one. So yes a large electric field not constrained externally and free to move is displaced by external forces which can be detected with sufficiently sensitive equipment. As well, it should be understood these disturbances and displacements are not due to the obvious answer that my device was detecting common RF radio signals or 60 Hz power fluctuations. It was not RF or domestic power because when I demodulated the disturbances or signals no RF or 60 Hz was present.

It's actually quite easy in retrospect and a 5$ 15 kV negative ion generator, homemade HV capacitor and DIY electrometer circuit is a good start. My point is that reality and nature are not static, it is not a line diagram on a piece of paper nor equations in a textbook. Nature is messy, it's chaotic and in perpetual motion on almost every level except our own which gives the false appearance of being static.

I hope this adds to your conversation and gives people something to think about.

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« Reply #98 on: June 19, 2020, 05:47:42 PM »
   Onepower:   Ok, well thanks for your post. Not sure what it has to do with Free Energy. But, I am sure that there is more to all this than meets the eyes. Anything that Tesla has stated is of interest to me, not sure about Moray, as I have not studied his work. However, Akula did mention that his Tesla coil transmitter signal could be heard on his car radio, quite a ways away, something like a kilometer away the device.
   Thanks again,
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« Reply #99 on: August 04, 2020, 05:42:11 PM »
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Onepower:   Ok, well thanks for your post. Not sure what it has to do with Free Energy. But, I am sure that there is more to all this than meets the eyes. Anything that Tesla has stated is of interest to me, not sure about Moray, as I have not studied his work. However, Akula did mention that his Tesla coil transmitter signal could be heard on his car radio, quite a ways away, something like a kilometer away the device.

I understand, you should look at T.H. Morays work which is massive and I would consider him to be the best FE resource.

This document is the bible of free energy in my opinion and is required reading...
http://www.naturalphilosophy.org/pdf/ebooks/Moray-TheSeaofEnergy.pdf

Moray explains his reasoning and the technology but more important he shows us the proper perspective. We are literally swimming in a sea of energy where everything is already in perpetual motion. So we need to discard this absurd notion of creation and think transformation. There is no need to create anything nor could we and all energy and mass relates solely to transformations.

This is why I could look at Nelson's work and understand what he was doing because I wasn't looking for a source supposedly creating something from nothing. I was looking for a specific process which produced a transformation of energy or force in this case. In fact it was obvious and the first thing I always do is look for something out of place, something which is different. From there I work the problem backwards, what is different, what is it doing and why?.

Understand, every circuit is swimming in a sea of energy which is also inside the physical material. When we disturb the material of the circuit the sea of energy reacts and in this way we can access any amount of energy. Energy is motion and everything, everywhere is already in perpetual motion. By far the greatest insight I ever had is that creation was a myth and what I was looking for was a transformation. I give credit to Moray and his work which is why I consider it mandatory reading.

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« Reply #100 on: August 08, 2020, 10:53:03 AM »

Tesla, within a patent relating to their use explains that bifilar or double pancake coils are able to
store many times more energy than single wire coils.
Bifilar coils maximize the voltage between turns.


Hi guys.
Lets assume that we have 12 wires in a straight line all in a parallel position between each other. All connected like Tesla's bifilar coil meaning that each conductor is connected at its end with the beginning of the next wire. We know that capacitance is evenly distributed this way and voltage difference is steady at any point between two adjacent wires.

Lets say now that those 12 wires are again wired like Tesla's bifilar but this time they are not in a parallel position but twisted. What the difference would be is terms of capacitance? What the difference would be in terms of stored energy?

Thanks in advance
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Hey Nelson, Just wondering, any progress?

It is a tough time taking on the task you have! I wish you well!

Best wishes, stay safe and well My Friend,
   Chris Sykes

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« Reply #102 on: August 26, 2020, 04:12:43 AM »
Hello guys ! I am a very big Fan and I love all of you.  :-*
I see Nelson, Evo , Rams , Conrad....all the good people !
First of all I want to say Thank you Nelson that you started this thread,and I am sure that something will come out of it !!
I am Sollaris and I am just a regular guy....I have been around for 10 years and I have been watching how things happen or do not happen.
I like to meditate,and when I do..things come into my mind, questions.....and I want to share it with you.
Example:
I work in one of the biggest factories in my country.There are machines and robots every 20 meters.
Because I have seen on one huge machine  written 200 kw / Hour ( and there are thousands of them ) I told my boss,
""Boss...I bet they pay to the power company very very large power bills""
and he laughed and said
""No they DON'T,they produce their own Power""

There are no Solar Panels,No waterfall,no Nuclear Reactor, nothing out there...I looked overall every time I had the chance.
All that I could see are HUGE transformers...in size like 4 truck bonded together EACH , one near the other and were labeled TRAFO 1, TRAFO 2,TRAFO 3,TRAFO 4
The question is.....Where is the Energy coming from?

Also,TESLA made a car with a little small Antenna above the car  (this proves that we do not need an Areal 100m above earth).
The antenna was not the power source...but an ""invitation" for the energy to flow from the environment...or In scientific terms, It captures micro-volts..or nano-volts..that made his circuit charge the batteries.
So the antenna was like a switch.../ door...for the energy into his circuit / batteries.

When I meditate, every time.....it comes into my mind the word LIES LIES LIES ALL AROUND , and every time,that takes me to GERARD MORIN that said "The Oscilloscope is a Hollywood device ""
Quotation taken from video minute 12:30 - 14:00 Please take a look.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uwqnN596VM&t=831s

He also talks about the negative energy...and the reason why we do not success is that we build devices that use positive energy.
In this case....@EVO can you please post some diagrams with the High Side Switch ..Basic High Side switch? ...Thank you !!

@Conrad , if resonance is the key,your video with the 1 pF capacitor, which shades the capacitance of the Oscilloscope probe.. is Insane mate.
Finding the correct resonance point is very important.

Resonance  vs  Brute Force
Love           vs  R a p e

There are people that say that we r a p e the power cord so hard..and the electricity so hard......it is blasphemy.
We force it,convert it...and we have sometimes the feeling that we control it...that It is ours....but it is not.

So what we got?


We got coils,transformers....Resonance...step up..step down...spark gaps...Solid state  NPN , Mosfets that can switch very very fast.....in comparative with mechanical switch..Negative impulses that can go from 12V dc to -700 v etc..
and in the last 10 years......I have seen no improvement.....
I would love to make a change but you guys are 1000 x Smarter than I am...
I am just a regular guy...factory worker.....I got nothing to do with electronics...

In my vision,is NOT that you are not smart enough....The problem is that the books are wrong...People were payed to write them....and you guys know the books better than I know my name.

If I were a Multi Billion company......I would not send MIB or Agents to kill people..because there are ten of thousands of you that research FE , and doing a massacre will not be practical.....
Cut 1 head....and 2 will come out...however....feed Drugs (wrong info,laws) to the Hydra.....and it will do no harm.

We must change our vision,Start over and think......
If we do what we have done last year and last year...and since this forum is here...we will go nowhere...

A capacitor in series with a coil..in Resonance....will give almost 0 Resistance...!? This is some info that i do not hear on YouTube very often.

10 years ago,Tesla (company)...was very small....and now..in 2020..he is sending 5 rockets / month into space....That is progress.
There are no locked doors in the TESLA company...however here..I have seen a lot of Doors....secrets...""The COP of 4 is not mine to share""...
You can keep it secret another 100 years mate...if you believe that is the correct thing to do,
I wish you all the best.

JOE is not in the 20's any more...He is old...and he has build hundred of JC's....and in the last 20 years..he gave nothing to us...He will take the secrets of the JC in the grave...because this is his understanding of doing things wright.

@Nelson ,I wrote 2 hours at this post and left my wife alone in bed,
I have big problems now..:(
Please let this post active and do not delete it,Perhaps it will be food for though for our friends that will join.

Much love to you guys..
And never forget WE ARE ONE / DIVINE CONSCIOUSNESS
 8) 8) :-* :-* :-*




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« Reply #103 on: August 26, 2020, 04:59:55 PM »
I work in one of the biggest factories in my country. There are machines and robots every 20 meters.
Because I have seen on one huge machine  written 200 kw / Hour ( and there are thousands of them ) I told my boss,
""Boss...I bet they pay to the power company very very large power bills""
and he laughed and said
""No they DON'T, they produce their own Power""
There are no Solar Panels, No waterfall, no Nuclear Reactor, nothing out there...I looked overall every time I had the chance.
All that I could see are HUGE transformers...in size like 4 truck bonded together EACH , one near the other and were labeled TRAFO 1, TRAFO 2,TRAFO 3,TRAFO 4
The question is..... Where is the Energy coming from?


Also,TESLA made a car with a little small Antenna above the car  (this proves that we do not need an Areal 100m above earth).
The antenna was not the power source...but an ""invitation" for the energy to flow from the environment...or In scientific terms, It captures micro-volts..or nano-volts..that made his circuit charge the batteries.
So the antenna was like a switch.../ door...for the energy into his circuit / batteries.


... that takes me to GERARD MORIN that said "The Oscilloscope is a Hollywood device ""
Quotation taken from video minute 12:30 - 14:00 Please take a look.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uwqnN596VM&t=831s
He also talks about the negative energy...and the reason why we do not success is that we build devices that use positive energy.


JOE is not in the 20's any more...He is old...and he has build hundred of JC's....and in the last 20 years..he gave nothing to us...He will take the secrets of the JC in the grave...because this is his understanding of doing things wright.


Hi sollaris1989.

If your boss said they produce their own power, what did he say when you asked him how they are producing their own power?
Did you ask your boss this question? I would be interested to hear what his answer is.

There is no actual verifiable evidence that I have ever seen that Telsa made an electric car that was self powering.
Consider that to be a myth.

From what I saw, Gerard Morin had no idea what he was talking about.
He clearly had no understanding of electronics, and he talked a lot of nonsense on Youtube.
He also was never able to demonstrate anything which reasonably suggested a COP > 1.
It is people like Gerard Morin who give this whole area of 'over unity' research a very bad name...

Joe of the 'Joe cell' fame has stated through an associate of his that he will teach someone
'everything he knows about Joe cells' if they will buy him a 1 million dollar farm for his retirement.  :D
His motivations for keeping what he might know to himself are apparently not as noble as some may think.

I am not at all trying to be discouraging here. I am trying to keep things factual.
There is just way too much nonsense out there regarding this free energy topic.

All the best...


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« Reply #104 on: August 26, 2020, 09:36:30 PM »
Solomon From what you describe i have come across a device like this before, might find a few factory’s on the silicon
valley floor of this type.

It is two metallic substances plated onto a silica sand porous wafer; they are fed with a gas like natural gas and oxygen
all you need is a one square foot device and feed it with methane and your made, and the money to buy such a device
and to become a regular sewerage supplier  ;D ;D

 

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