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Offline nelsonrochaa

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Re: Nelson Rocha Devices
« Reply #75 on: May 30, 2020, 04:42:48 PM »
This thread is called "Nelson Rocha Device" therefor I expected to see a device and hopefully a circuit diagram and helpful specifications allowing replication.

Nelson Rocha said somewhere in this thread that he has no device to show because he is not allowed to.

My humble question: What will be discussed in this thread?

So far I saw random ramblings or cryptic speculations. Everything is allowed and my expectations do not matter, but does it make sense? Again "I have something but I will not show it"?

Greetings, Conrad
Hi Conrad,
I understand your concerns, as well as your posture, but I advise you to have a more relaxed posture, so that you don't get so bored.
It seems to me that you have made an interception in line with your thoughts and convictions.
This thread does not deal with the circuit you are referring to, and in an off topic question Nick asked me some details about that specific circuit, but that circuit is not included in this thread .Hope that was clear to you .

If you want to have a humble stance, and have a humble response on my part, you should have read the mission state document at the beginning of the thread where I mention exactly what is going to be done, and how it is going to be done.
In that document you could understand that what I propose to develop in this thread, is related to bifilar pancake coils, and a resonant transformer.
Wasn't that the reason you shared your pancake coils videos in the first posts?
Or were you just trying to pay tribute to your "heroes"?

The oscillator circuit that will be used in this experiment, was already shared publicly in this same forum in 2017, but I understand that some of these details can pass you by, if your intentions are not genuine or be a passive and inattentive element.
The steps of this project will initially go through myself, making the proposed system, documenting it, and testing it to understand if there is any added value. Only and after these procedures, will the conditions be met so that it can be replicated by interested people.

I wouldn't want people like you to accuse me of making people waste materials and time, and as I feel that you have a great interest in this topic, I would be very sad if you would charge me for it in the future.
All construction steps will be documented, as well as circuits and diagrams.
Completely Clarified?

So I ask you to  keep that sarcasm out of your statement, "I have something but I will not show it? “ Because for a member with your seniority in this forum it looks bad, People with your life experience, should be references in forums like this, and unfortunately that sense of responsibility that I speak, escapes you.

I hope you have a good day

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Re: Nelson Rocha Devices
« Reply #75 on: May 30, 2020, 04:42:48 PM »

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Re: Nelson Rocha Devices
« Reply #76 on: May 30, 2020, 05:18:18 PM »
Attached below is a pdf of a flat coiled transformer arrangement I developed over several years stopping in 2016 which I termed MEI or Magneto Electric Induction.  The concept utilizes the distributed capacitance between physically close positioned flat coils and the performance speaks for itself.  This device is an extreme reactive-to-real converter and note the peak reactive input power on the Math(red) trace.  I would also point out the current to voltage phase angle as the device is basically a capacitive load, plus the power density for the physical size using the scope probes for comparison.

The input power is based on the 3MHz sine wave as seen on CH1(yel).  To effectively build this type of device for commercial OU use, this sine wave must be synthesized in a manner that would allow the negative energy portions of the waveform to be returned to the power source.  This is done today in any DC to AC inverter that will accommodate a reactive load but the frequencies are much, much lower.

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Pm

Hi Partzman ,
I am very grateful for your sharing, and I will carefully read the PDF description of the system you list.
Perhaps in the future I can successfully replicate your project, it seems to me a very interesting circuit to be duplicated in the future when I am more available.
The project I'm starting on this thread works in a much lower frequency range, than the one you use on your system ,as well as the type of signal to be used in the oscillations is square wave , that I think will facilitate replication in general.
The design of the coils is also different since after a quicker and more superficial analysis of the document you shared, in your system it is not used in the design of pancake coils wire with plastic coating, which allows the use of dialectic characteristics existing in pancake coils in a more pronounced way, and that for me is one of the key points of this system that I'm working on right now.

I don't normally replicate other systems, because I have my own ideas in mind, which I still try to materialize (lack of time), but which is sometimes not so easy to materialize and it can take a long time until reaching the final goal.
Perhaps it can be a good therapy for me to sometimes replicate another circuit outside the context of my ideas and mind.
I sincerely thank you for your sharing, and I hope that in a more advanced future I can count more on your opinion, whether in this topic here or in OU research.

Best rewards
Nelson Rocha

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Re: Nelson Rocha Devices
« Reply #77 on: May 30, 2020, 05:28:21 PM »
   Nelson:   Thanks for the download, I've saved it for future reference, as it is pretty long but interesting.   You know, after hearing your reply about how the feed back circuit works on that device. I thought, that it works basically the same as what I have. In the sense of feeding some of the output back to the input. Yet, I can not run mine for "hours", or even seconds before it kicks off. Yet, there is feed back power going back to the device's input, but, it is not enough to self sustain itself, as yet. However,   if I were to connect the output feed back loop of my device to two 12v batteries, @ 24v, that are also connected to the input, my device, also would self sustain. Similar to your system.  Until the batteries drained, like happens with your caps. Right?  So, what are we gaining, if fact?  Still no OU nor self running.
   Thanks for providing me with this info,  I do appreciate it. And I believe I understand it all, a little better, now.
   So, where do we go from here???
              NickZ

Nick ,
I'm going to apologize to you, but don't ask me again to talk about this subject.
Less involved people like to take advantage of certain issues to promote their own "inner wars" and very special and proper connotations.
That is not what is intended in this topic , even if it passes them by.
Thank you Nick for your understanding.

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Re: Nelson Rocha Devices
« Reply #77 on: May 30, 2020, 05:28:21 PM »
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Re: Nelson Rocha Devices
« Reply #78 on: May 30, 2020, 05:44:18 PM »
     Nelson:
     Ok, ok.  No more questions about that topic. Sorry, I  get it.
  The thing is... that some of us are very hungry for free energy, especially now, with the current uncertain world situation, and so, we are very focused on that type of FE device, if it is self running. And if not, then I need to consider that, as this is a OU, or self running type of forum. And not just another more efficient oscillator circuit or device, but that is not OU. So, if the ultimate purpose of a device is not OU, then, well... that may not interest some of us. 
   I did ask for a simple yes, or no, trying not too dive to deep into it. But, your answer was of upmost importance, to me.
   I have spent over 10 years at this purpose, to no avail. Lol...
   Thanks again for your putting up with me, and answering my questions the best that you can. I do appreciate it.
   NickZ
   PS. But, as you can see, we are like a pack of wild wolfs, hungry for some fresh meat.
   And,  and time is running out. Shit has already hit the fan... 
   Thanks for understanding.

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Re: Nelson Rocha Devices
« Reply #79 on: May 30, 2020, 06:48:21 PM »
     Nelson:
     Ok, ok.  No more questions about that topic. Sorry, I  get it.
  The thing is... that some of us are very hungry for free energy, especially now, with the current uncertain world situation, and so, we are very focused on that type of FE device, if it is self running. And if not, then I need to consider that, as this is a OU, or self running type of forum. And not just another more efficient oscillator circuit or device, but that is not OU. So, if the ultimate purpose of a device is not OU, then, well... that may not interest some of us. 
   I did ask for a simple yes, or no, trying not too dive to deep into it. But, your answer was of upmost importance, to me.
   I have spent over 10 years at this purpose, to no avail. Lol...
   Thanks again for your putting up with me, and answering my questions the best that you can. I do appreciate it.
   NickZ
   PS. But, as you can see, we are like a pack of wild wolfs, hungry for some fresh meat.
   And,  and time is running out. Shit has already hit the fan... 
   Thanks for understanding.


Nick

I was clear in the mission state I wrote, and nowhere I did  mention OU.
I could tell you that the last replication i did in Germany of this system, was evaluated by two external entities, where one of them reached at a value close to   COP 3, but what difference would it make me to promote or speculate about that result  to only catch people attention ?
 I do not live on external profits or donations , I have my work and I do that by pleasure.
There are too many factors, to be considered by me to make ads of this nature, that can create false expectations in people, and excessive personal charges to my person by some.
The houses don't start with a roof, but on the ground because the logic of gravity defines it in our common sense :)
I am not concerned that some of you are not interested in this topic just because I did not announce or make a claim that I would build an OU system.
I am sure that many people will get involved, without asking for anything in return, and only by the route they can follow throughout the construction process.
In the end, we will have the chance to check whether it was worth it or not, but it will certainly be more productive, than to disdain and simply stand with arms crossed, behind a computer, ruminating on personal frustrations.

This forum is not a convenience market, where people can buy a OU device 7 days a week!
But well, even people who are not interested, will always be welcome to participate when they see fit, as soon as in moderation and mutual respect.
I appreciate your sincerity, and good luck in your goals, you should certainly read the document that I shared with you if you really want to clarify some less clear points in the topic that you are involved with.

Best rewards
Nelson Rocha

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Re: Nelson Rocha Devices
« Reply #80 on: May 30, 2020, 09:36:49 PM »
Hi Nelson, the subject you talk about above is in deed an interesting subject, however i fear Nick by self-admittance
might not be into experimentation unfortunately.

I have read the paper through but at the end, who ever wrote it admitted it wasn’t the best route or best way to build such a device
he or she does talk about a second part to the document, I don't suppose you have access to that and that you might also share that too as That too would be equally appreciated.

Raymondo 

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Re: Nelson Rocha Devices
« Reply #81 on: May 30, 2020, 10:28:53 PM »
Hi Nelson, the subject you talk about above is in deed an interesting subject, however i fear Nick by self-admittance
might not be into experimentation unfortunately.

I have read the paper through but at the end, who ever wrote it admitted it wasn’t the best route or best way to build such a device
he or she does talk about a second part to the document, I don't suppose you have access to that and that you might also share that too as That too would be equally appreciated.

Raymondo


Hi Raymondo ,
Unfortunately, that document was given to me by someone I stopped contacting a long time ago.
But I thought it might be interesting since it is linked to the theory of building the kapanaze device, and debunking about some points on the subject, where several tests are included in different configurations and in the construction of the coil.
And yes I know that in the document it is clearly stated that no excess energy is found, but I am sure that some points will be of great use to the most attentive and experienced exprimenters who continue to pursue that goal.

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Re: Nelson Rocha Devices
« Reply #82 on: June 01, 2020, 12:00:30 AM »



Nelson, basic question for you:

In Your Opinion; Does the Energy come from inside the Insulated Copper Wire? But only when the right conditions are met for the Charge to flow?

FYI: In reference to this post: Here

I am sure it does, at lower than the Electron Level, Energy may enter the Wire at that level, but the Energy we use, the Energy we measure, it comes directly from Inside the Insulated Wire.

I mean you had an Air Core!

Best wishes, stay safe and well,
   Chris Sykes

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Re: Nelson Rocha Devices
« Reply #83 on: June 01, 2020, 11:16:37 PM »


Nelson, basic question for you:

In Your Opinion; Does the Energy come from inside the Insulated Copper Wire? But only when the right conditions are met for the Charge to flow?

FYI: In reference to this post: Here

I am sure it does, at lower than the Electron Level, Energy may enter the Wire at that level, but the Energy we use, the Energy we measure, it comes directly from Inside the Insulated Wire.

I mean you had an Air Core!

Best wishes, stay safe and well,
   Chris Sykes


Hi Chris, hope you goes well,
In Your Opinion; Does the Energy come from inside the Insulated Copper Wire? But only when the right conditions are met for the Charge to flow?
Chris , in my opinion  the energy cannot be contained in the wire, inside or outside ; the material of wire it should be liable to be a path to charges (electron flow and for these movements occur, like cooper meets these conditions.
Therefore, it would not be correct in my perspective to establish that the wire contains energy, but rather behaves as a medium for energy manifest itself, in this case  when EMF is applied in the wire or by variation of magnetic field  by a magnet for example .
The electron charges in wire  acquired energy from outside to react and flow, but without this external energy should a current flow in the wire ? No .
This is my perspective .

Best Rewards

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« Reply #84 on: June 01, 2020, 11:55:54 PM »
  And all energy in all generators come from that external source. Not by the movement of magnets by coils, like is still taught in schools. Without the external force we would still be lighting candles.

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« Reply #85 on: June 02, 2020, 06:38:50 AM »
The houses don't start with a roof, but on the ground because the logic of gravity defines it in our common sense :)
I am not concerned that some of you are not interested in this topic just because I did not announce or make a claim that I would build an OU system.
I am sure that many people will get involved, without asking for anything in return, and only by the route they can follow throughout the construction process.
In the end, we will have the chance to check whether it was worth it or not, but it will certainly be more productive, than to disdain and simply stand with arms crossed, behind a computer, ruminating on personal frustrations.

This seems like the best approach to me. Focusing on what we can learn. So much of what I thought I knew from reading a book or watching a video had to be replaced when I was confronted with an observation that contradicted the way I had understood things to be. Even among the brilliant minds of these forums where non-conforming ideas are explored there is a great many who believe they already have all the answers. They do not (no one does). If we work together we can find out the answer to questions the great minds have yet to ask.

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« Reply #86 on: June 02, 2020, 08:33:00 AM »

Hi Chris, hope you goes well,
In Your Opinion; Does the Energy come from inside the Insulated Copper Wire? But only when the right conditions are met for the Charge to flow?
Chris , in my opinion  the energy cannot be contained in the wire, inside or outside ; the material of wire it should be liable to be a path to charges (electron flow and for these movements occur, like cooper meets these conditions.
Therefore, it would not be correct in my perspective to establish that the wire contains energy, but rather behaves as a medium for energy manifest itself, in this case  when EMF is applied in the wire or by variation of magnetic field  by a magnet for example .
The electron charges in wire  acquired energy from outside to react and flow, but without this external energy should a current flow in the wire ? No .
This is my perspective .

Best Rewards

Nelson Rocha


Hey Nelson, Yes good perspective!

At an Electron level, all Energy is contained int eh wire then? But Sub Electron Level, the Energy is universal, I think we agree on this perspective.

Thanks Nelson! Everyone has their opinion, but very little of that opinion matches working machines.

Best wishes, stay safe and well My Friend,
   Chris Sykes

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Re: Nelson Rocha Workbench
« Reply #87 on: June 02, 2020, 10:20:34 AM »
Mr.Sykes,good morning !
Are you,Mr.Sykes= MrRocha

I think not ,two different individuals !
"energy is matter " ergo rezipok"matter is energy" : energy is not only defined by objective  matter-difference !
Does energy also mutate like matter ? Why not ,it is by "particle and wave"-duality analog to treat !

When becomes "it= energy"  from the stadium-terminus definition ,geral/specific(individal) un-/conditionzed , 1st stage "pressure" to to 2nd stage "force" to the 3rd physical stadium-terminus "energy" ?
How many "energy"-stages are physical ,in geral,accepted 2020,internal different or only dependent from external
observant position ?The subect observant his own speed/veocity in relation to the external " observed "energy-object or" object energy" them speed/velocity ?

Context(e) dependence : " energy is not destroyable" real or wrong hypothesis ?
Physical arguments by reproduceable facts
Realspace versus Hyperspace : ex-/in-cluded "time dilatation" = "stroying conditioning"

Argumenting by/with same Raum-Zeit/Space-Time-Matrix ? Not possible cause there is ever changement !

Btw " religions" are Time-Lord philosophies,space independent,velocity and speed independent

         It is how It is,without question "why"

        "why"-resolvement is philosophy/philology neutral physics branch

You,Mr.Sykes,are inside the Heisenberg-Dilemma  8) :)
Is before the evolution stage,by given freedom(e)-degrees,soon a first stage " the formation" as destination,physical responses and not "philological/pilosophical" :

minimum 4d pre-destination,by planet Earth as Solarsystem Sub-membership,the Solarsystem as Galaxy-system "Milky Way" - Sub-membership

How much decisions with total/zero "freedom-degree(s)!? Axiomatik !
"Was zuerst ,what first ? Henne or Ei/egg"- question response Dilemma !
IM-/EX-/DE-PORTANCE of "?" and "!"   to be a " good/ bad" guy/guide ? ::)
SincerelyOCWL

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« Reply #88 on: June 18, 2020, 12:47:13 AM »
Just a note:I believe some much needed equipment is on its way to Nelson...spoke with a researcher today who had assisted with a better vendor [quicker and reliable ... with product support]
will hopefully touch base tomorrow with Nelson just to be sure things go smoothly

IMO persons who share their work open source ...require all the support we can muster...this way those who cannot do the experiments can help those who can .and all is transparent and shared..

much gratitude and respect  Chet K

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« Reply #89 on: June 18, 2020, 02:44:21 AM »
   Ramset:   Thanks for the info. I hope that NELSON gets what he needs to continue soon.I too received a new scope given to me by a member of this forum. I wish that I could remember his name now, to give him my gratitude, once again.

 

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