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Offline EMJunkie

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Re: Nelson Rocha Devices
« Reply #30 on: May 21, 2020, 11:27:40 PM »
Hey Nelson,

It appears active research is extremely slow to non existent here. Sadly...

My thread is the same! The brilliant young minds are all focused on off topic nonsense. Very few real builders remain. Even fewer serious researchers are here focusing on the topic at hand.

Yesterday we had another excellent result on my forum, the most simple device, putting out more than 4 times more Energy that was input. As you know, when we get to this and further stages, we cant help but look at those not giving this a serious effort as Time Wasters.

My Friend, we have known each other for more than ten years, I don't want to post to your thread information that is Negative!

So, I ask all readers: Get serious! Get your Brains switched on! Focus, Learn! Nelson will eventually get sick of sharing if you don't put the effort in! He can not be here forever!

My Friend, I wish you well, be safe and stay well, don't give up, there is a bright future ahead, many will not make it unless they pull Finger!

   Chris Sykes

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« Reply #31 on: May 22, 2020, 06:06:43 AM »
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You are not the first person to tell me that they had difficulty with replications of some circuits I share . But a large majority did not even manage to reproduce them, even before starting it,if you know what I mean.
Each person has his own state of mind and perception.

As you may know the unfortunate truth is that doing anything in reality is difficult. It's just hard work which seldom works out as planned and requires a great deal of time. Most people cannot even comprehend the work you put into the devices I have seen in many of your video's. I think we may be a special breed of crazy for tormenting ourselves like this.

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About you circuits working with no gate or limited  gate/base connection:
The darlington transistor have a high gain , and they can work with “external” signal provided byelectric field, like mosfet gate could work just with a parasitic capacitance , myself already made some circuits in the past with those similarities , so when someone tell you that could not work , first explain to person why that happen’s , and  after that if he continue say that could not work, just smile and move away, most of times is better :) . but well I understand you type of “gate driver” .
In what type of application you apply this technical point ?
In the past I use this  technic to some high frequencies detectors  ;) because are able to detect “spontaneous frequencies” .

My work is similar to yours in many respects however most of my circuits run anywhere from 10 to 500 kV which as you can imagine presents many problems. This kind of potential basically obliterates all off the shelf electronics so most components and circuits based on LV conduction becomes problematic. As such my normal is based on field effects and detection at a distance not so much conduction. I usually have to purpose build almost everything from scratch simply because nobody makes the specialized HV components I require. I enjoy it because it's unique and I can seldom predict what is going to happen which is strange and exciting.

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Hope you could present us with your work in future, will be well received by the community.

I had thought about it many times over the years and I have shared some things in the past however it becomes problematic and seldom ends well. I think I may be selfish and I research and experiment to learn and understand nature. That and I want a FE generator in my utility room and a UFO parked on my lawn, I'm not asking much, lol.

Regards


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Re: Nelson Rocha Devices
« Reply #32 on: May 22, 2020, 10:05:17 AM »
Feel free to present your thoughts and ideas. Welcome !

I most certainly do have some thoughts and it's really good to hear from you again.

Years ago when I first started looking at your pancake coil work, I had fabricated some really nice PCB flat coils.  I made clockwise and counter-clockwise traces that could be perfectly aligned so the traces would lay exactly on top of each other.  I could then use various dielectric material between the boards to change the properties of the complete coil.  I located mounting holes so the plates could be tightly fastened together.

I did a lot of experimenting with these coils and because they were so precisely made, the results were very repeatable.  This leads me to the question...   Do you have in mind some basic experiments we should  attempt, with the vision in mind of where we all should end up as we begin to comprehend the inner most details of this exploration?

Oh, one other thing I should mention:  Switching...

There is a company that produces Silicon Carbide JFETs.  They absolutely put anything I've used prior to shame.  Being normally conductive JFETs, they flow current bidirectionally with practically zero resistance and they are extremely fast when driven with the proper gate control circuit.  I used them successfully with many parametric resonance experiments--the waveforms show almost no artifacts of the switching taking place.

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Re: Nelson Rocha Devices
« Reply #33 on: May 22, 2020, 10:46:25 PM »
Hey Nelson,

It appears active research is extremely slow to non existent here. Sadly...

My thread is the same! The brilliant young minds are all focused on off topic nonsense. Very few real builders remain. Even fewer serious researchers are here focusing on the topic at hand.

Yesterday we had another excellent result on my forum, the most simple device, putting out more than 4 times more Energy that was input. As you know, when we get to this and further stages, we cant help but look at those not giving this a serious effort as Time Wasters.

My Friend, we have known each other for more than ten years, I don't want to post to your thread information that is Negative!

So, I ask all readers: Get serious! Get your Brains switched on! Focus, Learn! Nelson will eventually get sick of sharing if you don't put the effort in! He can not be here forever!

My Friend, I wish you well, be safe and stay well, don't give up, there is a bright future ahead, many will not make it unless they pull Finger!

   Chris Sykes


Hi Chris ,

I am very happy and grateful for your sharing Chris.
I will try to take a look at this replication that you speak and maybe if i could try replicate them, because 4 times more Energy that was input is really a very good result!
What kind of measurements were made to reach this admirable value? What type of load used ? Resistive or inductive loads were used in the (output) to verify this gain ?

My time is a little reduced in this moment , however, I hope in the coming weeks to start to dynamize the thread a little more, because I need to organize myself in relation to some themes that are essential to i able to materialize some ideas to something replicable by everyone .
At this moment I am also trying to gather equipment that will allow me to start.
But everything has its time, and I hope that soon there will be good changes.

Best rewards

Nelson Rocha

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Re: Nelson Rocha Devices
« Reply #34 on: May 22, 2020, 10:47:41 PM »
Nelson
As you may know the unfortunate truth is that doing anything in reality is difficult. It's just hard work which seldom works out as planned and requires a great deal of time. Most people cannot even comprehend the work you put into the devices I have seen in many of your video's. I think we may be a special breed of crazy for tormenting ourselves like this.

My work is similar to yours in many respects however most of my circuits run anywhere from 10 to 500 kV which as you can imagine presents many problems. This kind of potential basically obliterates all off the shelf electronics so most components and circuits based on LV conduction becomes problematic. As such my normal is based on field effects and detection at a distance not so much conduction. I usually have to purpose build almost everything from scratch simply because nobody makes the specialized HV components I require. I enjoy it because it's unique and I can seldom predict what is going to happen which is strange and exciting.

I had thought about it many times over the years and I have shared some things in the past however it becomes problematic and seldom ends well. I think I may be selfish and I research and experiment to learn and understand nature. That and I want a FE generator in my utility room and a UFO parked on my lawn, I'm not asking much, lol.

Regards


Hi Onepower,

Yes, you are absolutely right, this activity can take a long time to materialize in positive results.
Above all, it is a route we choose voluntarily, and those who run for pleasure never tire!   
I'm impressed with the type of system you're working on.
I myself am passionate about high voltage due to the unknown aspect and the events created by it.
10 to 500kv is a really high voltage , if not properly planned, it can lead to serious health problems, as chemical, ionic and transmutation events occur during this type of high voltage experiment, but it shouldn't be new for you if you work exclusively with these voltage levels; stay safe .

I understand that you may have had bad experiences in the past when you tried to share some of your ideas, but I believe that there are conditions right now so that you can present your ideas without restrictions. I could personally support you in this task, in case you need any help.

Best rewards

Nelson Rocha

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Re: Nelson Rocha Devices
« Reply #34 on: May 22, 2020, 10:47:41 PM »
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Re: Nelson Rocha Devices
« Reply #35 on: May 22, 2020, 10:50:14 PM »
I most certainly do have some thoughts and it's really good to hear from you again.

Years ago when I first started looking at your pancake coil work, I had fabricated some really nice PCB flat coils.  I made clockwise and counter-clockwise traces that could be perfectly aligned so the traces would lay exactly on top of each other.  I could then use various dielectric material between the boards to change the properties of the complete coil.  I located mounting holes so the plates could be tightly fastened together.

I did a lot of experimenting with these coils and because they were so precisely made, the results were very repeatable.  This leads me to the question...   Do you have in mind some basic experiments we should  attempt, with the vision in mind of where we all should end up as we begin to comprehend the inner most details of this exploration?

Oh, one other thing I should mention:  Switching...

There is a company that produces Silicon Carbide JFETs.  They absolutely put anything I've used prior to shame.  Being normally conductive JFETs, they flow current bidirectionally with practically zero resistance and they are extremely fast when driven with the proper gate control circuit.  I used them successfully with many parametric resonance experiments--the waveforms show almost no artifacts of the switching taking place.


Hi Dog-one,
I'm glad to see you here, it's been a while since our last conversation.
Hope everything is well with you.
These pancake coils pcb are very beautiful!
I have never tested pancake coils in this condition on pcb, but it would be interesting to know more about them such as inductance, resistance and capacity, I’m really curious about some of these characteristics.
In the future we can certainly try to use these coils, My intention is to create a model circuit, and after do another replication for testing, where we could include your pcb pancake coils  or other type of tests me or other participants sugest to do .
About Silicon Carbide JFETs, I never worked with them, although many people advertise them, however, i see no inconvenience in using them in the future in the switching circuit , thanks for the tip , i need check their prices , because my budget is low ☺  but if is accessible i will try them for sure .
Dog, you are very welcome to this topic, and I hope that it will be a motivation for all those who somehow like the topic covered.

Best rewards

Nelson Rocha

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Re: Nelson Rocha Devices
« Reply #36 on: May 22, 2020, 11:48:54 PM »

Hi Chris ,

I am very happy and grateful for your sharing Chris.
I will try to take a look at this replication that you speak and maybe if i could try replicate them, because 4 times more Energy that was input is really a very good result!
What kind of measurements were made to reach this admirable value? What type of load used ? Resistive or inductive loads were used in the (output) to verify this gain ?

My time is a little reduced in this moment , however, I hope in the coming weeks to start to dynamize the thread a little more, because I need to organize myself in relation to some themes that are essential to i able to materialize some ideas to something replicable by everyone .
At this moment I am also trying to gather equipment that will allow me to start.
But everything has its time, and I hope that soon there will be good changes.

Best rewards

Nelson Rocha


Hi Nelson,

I am sorry My Friend, its not my experiment to share.

Only the Elite Builders on My Forum have access to this project. Many other experiments that also put Out more than In, COP > 1.0, are open source. Members, have the option of sharing publically, or not, the Member with this result is not sharing publically yet. Development stages.

By Following My Above-Unity tag, readers can see whats being worked on.

I wish more here would get serious! History, if we manage to not END Ourselves, will reflect very badly on these people that are Playing Dumb! These people need to Pull Finger and get a move on! Educate! Its Important!

Best wishes, stay safe and well,

   Chris Sykes

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Re: Nelson Rocha Devices
« Reply #37 on: May 23, 2020, 08:44:32 AM »
Chris.
Make use of the work of the member representing the result in the patent office. Congratulations to him on the result.

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Re: Nelson Rocha Devices
« Reply #38 on: May 25, 2020, 01:38:05 AM »
Nelson,
 As mentioned,I will be attempting to settup an acct at Mouser Portugal on Tuesday [holiday here Monday]

We have done this before and persons [members reading] could help pay for equipment and supplies towards open source experimenters projects.
So persons reading here can help the builder actually doing the work ...for Clarity Nelson has said he is not interested in a revenue stream ...just Equipment and
supplies for experiments..Might be setting up a few donate accts with different vendors for open source experiments such as Nelson is doing here.
to note : Dr Jones [member Physics prof ] has typically helped with these equipment Purchases ..he is assisting with this project too.once acc't is settup a link for those wishing to help will be posted in designated area.

sorry for interruption..
respectfully  Chet K //..//Ps for clarity Nelson cannot properly proceed without a few key pieces of equipment

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Re: Nelson Rocha Devices
« Reply #39 on: May 25, 2020, 03:19:59 PM »

Hi Nelson,

I am sorry My Friend, its not my experiment to share.

Only the Elite Builders on My Forum have access to this project. Many other experiments that also put Out more than In, COP > 1.0, are open source. Members, have the option of sharing publically, or not, the Member with this result is not sharing publically yet. Development stages.

By Following My Above-Unity tag, readers can see whats being worked on.

I wish more here would get serious! History, if we manage to not END Ourselves, will reflect very badly on these people that are Playing Dumb! These people need to Pull Finger and get a move on! Educate! Its Important!

Best wishes, stay safe and well,

   Chris Sykes



Chris Sykes


Hi Chris ,
I understand . I appreciate your sincerity when you explain that you could not share because the experiment is not yours, and I respect that.   
In the past, I was also limited to sharing in detail some of the circuits that I did, but I thought that in the face of our recent conversations about "freeing ourselves from the bonds" of the big companies and working for the benefit of society, I thought you meant sharing in open-source, not by a restricted group of people.
I apologize for the misunderstanding.
Thus, we can only hope that these experiments will be successful and that the values you announced will be confirmed, as it would be very important, if your intention in the future is to share this discovery with the world.
I will always be available to listen to you and help you if you want in the future, to provide more (information) related to that system.
I wish you the best .

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Re: Nelson Rocha Devices
« Reply #40 on: May 25, 2020, 10:10:10 PM »
Chris Sykes
Hi Chris ,
I understand . I appreciate your sincerity when you explain that you could not share because the experiment is not yours, and I respect that.   
In the past, I was also limited to sharing in detail some of the circuits that I did, but I thought that in the face of our recent conversations about "freeing ourselves from the bonds" of the big companies and working for the benefit of society, I thought you meant sharing in open-source, not by a restricted group of people.
I apologize for the misunderstanding.
Thus, we can only hope that these experiments will be successful and that the values you announced will be confirmed, as it would be very important, if your intention in the future is to share this discovery with the world.
I will always be available to listen to you and help you if you want in the future, to provide more (information) related to that system.
I wish you the best .

Hi Nelson,

IMO, if someone wants people to join in and experiment with them on some circuit idea, it would really help to
show a working experimental setup demonstration first, in some sort of clear way; and, if it is not self-looped, then show
what measurements they are doing so people can get an idea how the circuit may actually be performing.
If such a circuit demonstration shows real promise, other people likely will join in and start experimenting as well.

If someone just posts some theoretical ideas and shows no practical and clear working circuit demonstration, it is much less
likely other people will show much interest in 'building' and experimenting. I know in your case you said you are
waiting to get some equipment, but I am just commenting in general. If there is no reasonable demonstration presented right from
the start which stands up to reasonable scrutiny, then it is not so likely many people will show much interest.
People have heard boys crying "wolf" here and in similar forums just too many times now over the years, and all that can be found each
time are squirrels. A good clear working circuit demonstration is what will separate the men from the boys who cry wolf.
Just my own opinion.  :D

If all the full details of making a claimed COP > 1 circuit are 'secret to an elite group' as Chris has stated,
then why is that person posting here in an 'open source' forum in the first place? It should be a no-brainer that not many
people are likely to start experimenting if full details of the claimed 'working' circuit are secret and no
reasonable circuit demonstration is presented :D

All the best...



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« Reply #41 on: May 26, 2020, 01:41:44 AM »
  Void:   You mentioned: "People have heard boys crying "wolf" here and in similar forums just too many times now over the years, and all that can be found each time,are squirrels.
A good clear working circuit demonstration is what will separate the men from the boys who cry wolf.
Just my own opinion".

   AND, my opinion, as well...   NickZ
   PS.  The problem is not a lack of interested builders,  it's the lack of true self running, OU devices to replicate. Are there any...?

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Re: Nelson Rocha Devices
« Reply #42 on: May 26, 2020, 01:45:54 AM »
NickZ
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Void:   You mentioned: "People have heard boys crying "wolf" here and in similar forums just too many times now over the years, and all that can be found each time,are squirrels.
A good clear working circuit demonstration is what will separate the men from the boys who cry wolf.
Just my own opinion".

   AND, my opinion, as well...   NickZ
   PS.  The problem is not a lack of interested builders,  it's the lack of true self running, OU devices to replicate. Are there any...?

Of course everyone has FE up until the point they have to show or prove it then somehow most don't, lol. I have been here over ten years now and to date I have seen almost nothing which would convince me otherwise other than what I have seen on my own bench. I like Nelsons work because he has the right attitude and the right approach in my opinion. A dedication to science and the reality of things we can prove for ourselves as factual.

I wouldn't make too much of what others believe and we do what we can within our means as time allows. We are only human after all and to err is human and I err a great deal, more than most, in fact erring is kind of my thing.

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Re: Nelson Rocha Devices
« Reply #43 on: May 26, 2020, 11:32:33 AM »
NickZ
Of course everyone has FE up until the point they have to show or prove it then somehow most don't, lol. I have been here over ten years now and to date I have seen almost nothing which would convince me otherwise other than what I have seen on my own bench. I like Nelsons work because he has the right attitude and the right approach in my opinion. A dedication to science and the reality of things we can prove for ourselves as factual.

I wouldn't make too much of what others believe and we do what we can within our means as time allows. We are only human after all and to err is human and I err a great deal, more than most, in fact erring is kind of my thing.

Regards
Yeah what is your point ? any chance you can point me to some of your work you have from your last 10 years ?

Kind regards  Raymondo

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« Reply #44 on: May 26, 2020, 09:18:36 PM »
Hi Nelson,

IMO, if someone wants people to join in and experiment with them on some circuit idea, it would really help to
show a working experimental setup demonstration first, in some sort of clear way; and, if it is not self-looped, then show
what measurements they are doing so people can get an idea how the circuit may actually be performing.
If such a circuit demonstration shows real promise, other people likely will join in and start experimenting as well.

If someone just posts some theoretical ideas and shows no practical and clear working circuit demonstration, it is much less
likely other people will show much interest in 'building' and experimenting. I know in your case you said you are
waiting to get some equipment, but I am just commenting in general. If there is no reasonable demonstration presented right from
the start which stands up to reasonable scrutiny, then it is not so likely many people will show much interest.
People have heard boys crying "wolf" here and in similar forums just too many times now over the years, and all that can be found each
time are squirrels. A good clear working circuit demonstration is what will separate the men from the boys who cry wolf.
Just my own opinion.  :D

If all the full details of making a claimed COP > 1 circuit are 'secret to an elite group' as Chris has stated,
then why is that person posting here in an 'open source' forum in the first place? It should be a no-brainer that not many
people are likely to start experimenting if full details of the claimed 'working' circuit are secret and no
reasonable circuit demonstration is presented :D

All the best...

Void :
I cannot completely agree with you, but I understand your point of view.
In this specific topic, and I speak only of respect for myself and my motivations, I was very clear, and my intention is to captivate people interested in the mission statement I wrote, and only those who do not expect anything in return should join together, and whatever they do is positive will always be for the benefit of the community.
For obvious reasons, the fact that someone presents something concrete helps to motivate people to participate, but we have seen them many times in this and other Forums, people sometimes cross the limit of reasonable, no one are in a position to demand When someone willingly tries to present or share something without asking for anything in return.
Myself, I have daily work, I have family, and all the time I dedicate to this topic will be in exchange for nothing, and only those who genuinely want to help me, and have consideration and respect for my work, will be welcome, I will not be available for singular and personal requirements.

I agree with you  on the point that you refer, that if someone genuinely wants to share it will not put any barrier to show that it really has a positive result by measurements and scrutiny;  in my opinion this is the main point of Open-source, and that will be my intention, whether the result is positive or not.
Welcome to this topic

Best rewards

Nelson Rocha

 

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