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Re: Nelson Rocha Devices
« Reply #15 on: May 16, 2020, 10:01:53 PM »
voltaicfractal,
Sincerely i feel some hostility in your answer to Magluvin ,and besides being unnecessary, it does not add anything positive to the theme we are talking. I would like common sense and tolerance prevail among the participants in this topic, because as i mentioned earlier, in the difficult times we are in, respect and tolerance are points of order.
Thank you for your understanding.

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My apologies, my response was not intended to communicate hostility. It is not uncommon for people to view brief replies negatively though I'm not sure why that is exactly. We have the word "curt" which describes this, but I don't really understand why people perceive rudeness in brevity.

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« Reply #16 on: May 16, 2020, 10:24:12 PM »
My apologies, my response was not intended to communicate hostility. It is not uncommon for people to view brief replies negatively though I'm not sure why that is exactly. We have the word "curt" which describes this, but I don't really understand why people perceive rudeness in brevity.

Hi voltaicfractal,

No problem , I understand your explanation, and we should move forward  :)

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« Reply #17 on: May 16, 2020, 10:41:32 PM »
I measured bifilar and monofilar pancake coils. Read the description of the videos:

https://m.youtube.com/watchv=fc84w0pizoe self resonance

https://m.youtube.com/watchv=spq9yldb7v4

https://m.youtube.com/watchv=gceqnx1jsgw  magnetic field

https://m.youtube.com/watchv=tvduacc1hbk

Whatever it is worth, greetings, Conrad

Hi conradelektro ,
I appreciate your sharing, however, the links associated with the videos appear to be defective, as they present the message that the videos are apparently unavailable.
Could you validate that the videos are still available? Would be of great use for this topic. Many thanks

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« Reply #18 on: May 17, 2020, 02:02:12 AM »

I corrected the links in my post. I posted from my tablet and this garbled the links. Greetings, Conrad

Conradelektro,
Many thanks by your contribution , now the links are working.

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« Reply #19 on: May 17, 2020, 11:22:21 PM »
In my two videos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fC84W0PIZoE self resonance
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spQ9yLdb7v4
I also calculated the self capacitance of a monofilar and a bifilar pancake coil:

Self capacitance of monofilar pan cake coil 10 pF -- calculated from 8.4 MHz and 34 µH
Self capacitance of bifilar pan cake coil 49 pF -- calculated from 3.9 MHz and 34 µH

Well, is the higher self capacitance of a bifilar coil the mysterious notion that "bifilar or double pancake coils are able to store many times more energy than single wire coils"?

Has anyone measured the other claims?
- Tesla indicates that pancake bifilar coil systems convert input energy in potential,
- that the current consumed is minimal,
- they work in a mode of potential variation and the condition in which the current can be maintained is with no translational movement of charges.

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Hi Conrad , hope you goes well

Well, is the higher self capacitance the mysterious notion that "bifilar or double pancake coils are able to store many times more energy than single wire coils"?

Well This will depend on the perspective of the analyst about the word “mysterious” .
The self-capacitance of pancake bifilar coil will depend on some factors, such as the materials used as insulators in the winding wire because their dialectic properties.
Tesla used in their pancake coils a cotton blend in the coating of the winding wire that certainly has different values than those that plastic presents in the winding of your pancake coils and even in mine.
The acrylic plates, which you used to confine your pancake coils, certainly interfere with the values of self-capacitance of coils, so many factors are involved in this process.
This self capacitance in the bifilar pancake coil at resonance show a voltage gain to be several orders of magnitude in relation to single wire coil with the same number of turns, and its distributed capacitance when in resonance, it manages to override its inductive reactance (CEMF), make the potential of coil increase spontaneous.
This is one advantage and is the reason to Tesla say the bifilar pancake coil convert the input energy to full potential .
The current consumed in the coil is reduced because displacement currents is defined in terms of time-varying electric field and not like conventional conduction current, the friction caused by the current flow in the coil is avoided ,in this way losses through heat are reduced.
The magnitude of displacement current in case of steady electric fields in a conducting wire is zero, since the electric field E does not change with time.
This claims, could be understood and studied with help Faraday’s and Maxwell equations .
I made some tests and experiments in the past , but they need be made with more rigor and with a more analytical analysis, but I think the link to the video I share can help to understand some of the points that cause some doubts in relation to some points that you mentioned.
I would like to repeat some of these tests in a more controlled and rigorous environment to understand better all this process .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQkdsq3eP5w



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« Reply #20 on: May 17, 2020, 11:37:10 PM »
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Well This will depend on the perspective of the analyst about the word “mysterious” .
The self-capacitance of pancake bifilar coil will depend on some factors, such as the materials used as insulators in the winding wire because their dialectic properties.
Tesla used in their pancake coils a cotton blend in the coating of the winding wire that certainly has different values than those that plastic presents in the winding of your pancake coils and even in mine.
The acrylic plates, which you used to confine your pancake coils, certainly interfere with the values of self-capacitance of coils, so many factors are involved in this process.
This self capacitance in the bifilar pancake coil at resonance show a voltage gain to be several orders of magnitude in relation to single wire coil with the same number of turns, and its distributed capacitance when in resonance, it manages to override its inductive reactance (CEMF), make the potential of coil increase spontaneous.

Well said, and the devil is always in the smallest details.

It also helps to look at what is happening from the perspective of energy. What is present at any given point, where or how is it moving which is energy and why. Generally speaking all the greatest FE inventors claimed there was more energy present in an ordinary circuit than most people understand. If there is more energy present then it is a matter of the understanding the what, when, where and how of things that may matter the most... the details.

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« Reply #21 on: May 18, 2020, 12:33:31 AM »
Nelson
Well said, and the devil is always in the smallest details.

It also helps to look at what is happening from the perspective of energy. What is present at any given point, where or how is it moving which is energy and why. Generally speaking all the greatest FE inventors claimed there was more energy present in an ordinary circuit than most people understand. If there is more energy present then it is a matter of the understanding the what, when, where and how of things that may matter the most... the details.

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Onepower,

Welcome to this thread .

I really believe that there are some subtle details, which in a universe of so much information, can influence results, and behaviors.
Some statements I made in the previous post, it is not new for lovers of this theme, nor for the scientific community.
The beauty of this life, is live to learn and question the nature that surrounds us. :)
You are very welcome to this thread and here, all opinions and contributions will be valued.

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« Reply #22 on: May 18, 2020, 03:48:28 AM »
Boa Noite,Senhor Rocha !Aquando ver a relaczao entre os dois fios ,em conjunto bi-filiar, e a relacao entre dessas com a
"Rankine-Hugoniot relation/condiczao  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rankine%E2%80%93Hugoniot_conditions " da isto uma nova perspectiva ou resposta ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ideal_gas_law ,aqui o plasma vulgo "luz,electricidade"



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« Reply #23 on: May 18, 2020, 01:27:25 PM »
Boa Noite,Senhor Rocha !Aquando ver a relaczao entre os dois fios ,em conjunto bi-filiar, e a relacao entre dessas com a
"Rankine-Hugoniot relation/condiczao  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rankine%E2%80%93Hugoniot_conditions " da isto uma nova perspectiva ou resposta ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ideal_gas_law ,aqui o plasma vulgo "luz,electricidade"



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Hi  Lanca ,

Thank you for your approach to this topic, and although your question is pertinent, I would not like to embark on this path, because besides being quite controversial, it is a subject with a high degree of complexity with regard to its bases for discussion, and that occupies another new topic just to talk about this subject given its scope and complexity.
If anyone is interested in this topic, there is a very interesting study, done at the National Laboratory of Los Alamos, where they make an introduction to Shock Waves and Shock Wave Research.

https://permalink.lanl.gov/object/tr?what=info:lanl-repo/lareport/LA-UR-17-20806

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« Reply #24 on: May 19, 2020, 12:06:44 AM »
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The beauty of this life, is live to learn and question the nature that surrounds us.

I would agree completely.

I found a method which may be of interest to some here. I had limited success until I learned to tune out all outside distractions and enter a conscious state similar to meditation. It's almost like day dreaming and everything disappears except for singular thoughts about understanding the task at hand and nature.

I like to start by finding a quiet place and thinking about a universe full of stars and planets, the cosmos in all it's wonder. Then I move inward to the Earth and think about all the wonders and natural phenomena I remember reading about and seeing, my experiences. Then I move inward again thinking about a man, myself, sitting at his bench thinking about his perceptions and his place in the universe. From here I begin to apply everything I know of the natural world and my perception of it to what is sitting on my bench.

It may sound silly but it works because...
1) It forces our mind to tune out all outside distractions and focus on what we are and where we are in reality.
2) It concentrates our focus on something real from a different perspective, one of nature and natural phenomena not mankind.
3) It invokes a sense of calm and collective devoid of chaos and confusion... clarity.

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« Reply #25 on: May 19, 2020, 12:48:36 AM »
Yes your talking about an inner journey of meditation that comes when the mind is blank like the mind or subconscious connecting with creation it self.  It also possible to guide the focus to any point in time or situation. witch is far too deep and complicated to discuse here.
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« Reply #26 on: May 19, 2020, 10:26:42 PM »
Nelson
I would agree completely.

I found a method which may be of interest to some here. I had limited success until I learned to tune out all outside distractions and enter a conscious state similar to meditation. It's almost like day dreaming and everything disappears except for singular thoughts about understanding the task at hand and nature.

I like to start by finding a quiet place and thinking about a universe full of stars and planets, the cosmos in all it's wonder. Then I move inward to the Earth and think about all the wonders and natural phenomena I remember reading about and seeing, my experiences. Then I move inward again thinking about a man, myself, sitting at his bench thinking about his perceptions and his place in the universe. From here I begin to apply everything I know of the natural world and my perception of it to what is sitting on my bench.

It may sound silly but it works because...
1) It forces our mind to tune out all outside distractions and focus on what we are and where we are in reality.
2) It concentrates our focus on something real from a different perspective, one of nature and natural phenomena not mankind.
3) It invokes a sense of calm and collective devoid of chaos and confusion... clarity.

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Hi Onepower ,

 I also completely identify with that same philosophy of thought abstraction.
Meditation can be a mediating platform, between the mind and ideas.
Nowadays our minds are bombarded with all kinds of distractions and inconsistencies, sometimes separating and abstracting is an arduous task.
For that reason I don't think your suggestion is completely out of place ;) .
Thank you for reporting something so personal that it can serve as a lever for other awake minds.

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« Reply #27 on: May 19, 2020, 10:41:16 PM »
Yes your talking about an inner journey of meditation that comes when the mind is blank like the mind or subconscious connecting with creation it self.  It also possible to guide the focus to any point in time or situation. witch is far too deep and complicated to discuse here.
AG

Hi Alien Grey,
yes it's true , our subconscious is part of something huge , admirable !
Deep states of meditation, can lead us by a path in search of truth that fills the chasm historically created since the scholasticism between faith and science.
But these states of deep meditation are far from common for most people, because as I said earlier, we live in a very "polluting" society.
There are shortcuts, they have always existed, since our beginnings. Nature is too perfect, and everything seems meticulously thought out, and she hasn't forgotten those details.

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« Reply #28 on: May 20, 2020, 05:23:32 PM »
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I also completely identify with that same philosophy of thought abstraction.
Meditation can be a mediating platform, between the mind and ideas.
Nowadays our minds are bombarded with all kinds of distractions and inconsistencies, sometimes separating and abstracting is an arduous task.
For that reason I don't think your suggestion is completely out of place

I wanted to mention perceptions and initially I had some trouble with your circuit diagrams. It was only after being able to see the physical layout that things made more sense. As you implied our mind can become filled with distractions taking away from the actual reality of a given situation.

I must say while some of your circuit diagrams look fairly simple there is a great deal going on in the background not shown in a diagram. Personally I thought some of your switching mechanisms were brilliant and seldom see this level of understanding here. Many of my circuits use mosfets or darlington transistors with no or limited gate/base connections which confuse most people. They say that cannot possibly work because it is not "connected" and it must be an error on my part however the error is in there perception. My open gate does not use a conduction effect but a field effect at the gate which then switches the conduction current at the source/drain. It may look like a regular component however it is used in a completely different way. In some sense our external circuit components can begin to mimic the internal components of a vacuum tube.

So our perception and clarity of thought does play a vital role not only in our builds but how we approach others as well. Like yourself many of my circuits make absolutely no sense and are foreign to most other people.

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« Reply #29 on: May 21, 2020, 01:18:26 AM »
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I wanted to mention perceptions and initially I had some trouble with your circuit diagrams. It was only after being able to see the physical layout that things made more sense. As you implied our mind can become filled with distractions taking away from the actual reality of a given situation.

I must say while some of your circuit diagrams look fairly simple there is a great deal going on in the background not shown in a diagram. Personally I thought some of your switching mechanisms were brilliant and seldom see this level of understanding here. Many of my circuits use mosfets or darlington transistors with no or limited gate/base connections which confuse most people. They say that cannot possibly work because it is not "connected" and it must be an error on my part however the error is in there perception. My open gate does not use a conduction effect but a field effect at the gate which then switches the conduction current at the source/drain. It may look like a regular component however it is used in a completely different way. In some sense our external circuit components can begin to mimic the internal components of a vacuum tube.

So our perception and clarity of thought does play a vital role not only in our builds but how we approach others as well. Like yourself many of my circuits make absolutely no sense and are foreign to most other people.

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You are not the first person to tell me that they had difficulty with replications of some circuits I share . But a large majority did not even manage to reproduce them, even before starting it,if you know what I mean.
Each person has his own state of mind and perception.

About you circuits working with no gate or limited  gate/base connection:
The darlington transistor have a high gain , and they can work with “external” signal provided byelectric field, like mosfet gate could work just with a parasitic capacitance , myself already made some circuits in the past with those similarities , so when someone tell you that could not work , first explain to person why that happen’s , and  after that if he continue say that could not work, just smile and move away, most of times is better :) . but well I understand you type of “gate driver” .
In what type of application you apply this technical point ?
In the past I use this  technic to some high frequencies detectors  ;) because are able to detect “spontaneous frequencies” .

Hope you could present us with your work in future, will be well received by the community.

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