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Offline EMJunkie

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Re: Nelson Rocha Devices
« Reply #90 on: June 02, 2020, 08:33:00 AM »

Hi Chris, hope you goes well,
In Your Opinion; Does the Energy come from inside the Insulated Copper Wire? But only when the right conditions are met for the Charge to flow?
Chris , in my opinion  the energy cannot be contained in the wire, inside or outside ; the material of wire it should be liable to be a path to charges (electron flow and for these movements occur, like cooper meets these conditions.
Therefore, it would not be correct in my perspective to establish that the wire contains energy, but rather behaves as a medium for energy manifest itself, in this case  when EMF is applied in the wire or by variation of magnetic field  by a magnet for example .
The electron charges in wire  acquired energy from outside to react and flow, but without this external energy should a current flow in the wire ? No .
This is my perspective .

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Nelson Rocha


Hey Nelson, Yes good perspective!

At an Electron level, all Energy is contained int eh wire then? But Sub Electron Level, the Energy is universal, I think we agree on this perspective.

Thanks Nelson! Everyone has their opinion, but very little of that opinion matches working machines.

Best wishes, stay safe and well My Friend,
   Chris Sykes

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« Reply #91 on: June 02, 2020, 10:20:34 AM »
Mr.Sykes,good morning !
Are you,Mr.Sykes= MrRocha

I think not ,two different individuals !
"energy is matter " ergo rezipok"matter is energy" : energy is not only defined by objective  matter-difference !
Does energy also mutate like matter ? Why not ,it is by "particle and wave"-duality analog to treat !

When becomes "it= energy"  from the stadium-terminus definition ,geral/specific(individal) un-/conditionzed , 1st stage "pressure" to to 2nd stage "force" to the 3rd physical stadium-terminus "energy" ?
How many "energy"-stages are physical ,in geral,accepted 2020,internal different or only dependent from external
observant position ?The subect observant his own speed/veocity in relation to the external " observed "energy-object or" object energy" them speed/velocity ?

Context(e) dependence : " energy is not destroyable" real or wrong hypothesis ?
Physical arguments by reproduceable facts
Realspace versus Hyperspace : ex-/in-cluded "time dilatation" = "stroying conditioning"

Argumenting by/with same Raum-Zeit/Space-Time-Matrix ? Not possible cause there is ever changement !

Btw " religions" are Time-Lord philosophies,space independent,velocity and speed independent

         It is how It is,without question "why"

        "why"-resolvement is philosophy/philology neutral physics branch

You,Mr.Sykes,are inside the Heisenberg-Dilemma  8) :)
Is before the evolution stage,by given freedom(e)-degrees,soon a first stage " the formation" as destination,physical responses and not "philological/pilosophical" :

minimum 4d pre-destination,by planet Earth as Solarsystem Sub-membership,the Solarsystem as Galaxy-system "Milky Way" - Sub-membership

How much decisions with total/zero "freedom-degree(s)!? Axiomatik !
"Was zuerst ,what first ? Henne or Ei/egg"- question response Dilemma !
IM-/EX-/DE-PORTANCE of "?" and "!"   to be a " good/ bad" guy/guide ? ::)
SincerelyOCWL

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Re: Nelson Rocha Workbench
« Reply #92 on: June 18, 2020, 12:47:13 AM »
Just a note:I believe some much needed equipment is on its way to Nelson...spoke with a researcher today who had assisted with a better vendor [quicker and reliable ... with product support]
will hopefully touch base tomorrow with Nelson just to be sure things go smoothly

IMO persons who share their work open source ...require all the support we can muster...this way those who cannot do the experiments can help those who can .and all is transparent and shared..

much gratitude and respect  Chet K

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Offline NickZ

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« Reply #93 on: June 18, 2020, 02:44:21 AM »
   Ramset:   Thanks for the info. I hope that NELSON gets what he needs to continue soon.I too received a new scope given to me by a member of this forum. I wish that I could remember his name now, to give him my gratitude, once again.

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« Reply #94 on: June 18, 2020, 03:01:32 AM »
   It seams that when we are not buzy building something, we get diverted into another direction, instead. And, no matter how many opinions and  discussions are voiced, little to nothing is achieved. The issue now, is what to build, instead.It does amaze me to see just how many people still think that the world is flat. And that we'll fall off the edge, if we go too far. Even when that's never happened.


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Offline onepower

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« Reply #95 on: June 18, 2020, 05:45:44 PM »
Nickz
It can be hard to see through the fog of opinions and distractions here however Nelson has given you much to think about in post #70 and #72.

Here is what I usually do with other inventors work, copy the text then start breaking it down sentence by sentence. Think about keywords and context and keep repeating the words in your mind. Ask yourself what does this phrase mean, why, in what context?.

This will condition your mind and you can learn how to truly listen. Most people do not listen to others nor do they read what was written. They glance through seeing what they want to see from there perspective.

In fact Nelson has described much about this technology and I know this because I was doing almost the same thing from a slightly different perspective. We need to tune out all the noise and listen to others to learn.

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« Reply #96 on: June 18, 2020, 06:06:43 PM »
   All well and good, but Nelson does not own this tech, and has not built a self running device, ever. No one here has.
So, just who do you listen to, or follow. It's like the blind leading the blind. And the ones who can see, will not show us the way.   Do you really think that you can do what all the scientist in the world with all their instruments, labs, and money can't do?I know that this and more is possible, and is already being use in the underground secret labs, EM space crafts, etz...
Notice how there is no smoke marks, inside of the Great Pyramid. There are miles and miles of underground tunnels worldwide.Were they all lit with torches. Why do thousands of structures in Russian, India, and other places have dome roofs, and granite walls,
What does that tell you...It tells me that we are more than just stupid.

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Offline AlienGrey

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« Reply #97 on: June 18, 2020, 08:02:39 PM »
   All well and good, but Nelson does not own this tech, and has not built a self running device, ever. No one here has.
So, just who do you listen to, or follow. It's like the blind leading the blind. And the ones who can see, will not show us the way.   Do you really think that you can do what all the scientist in the world with all their instruments, labs, and money can't do?I know that this and more is possible, and is already being use in the underground secret labs, EM space crafts, etz...
Notice how there is no smoke marks, inside of the Great Pyramid. There are miles and miles of underground tunnels worldwide.Were they all lit with torches. Why do thousands of structures in Russian, India, and other places have dome roofs, and granite walls,
What does that tell you...It tells me that we are more than just stupid.
Who were the Elohim ? (the powerfull ones) the garden of edem incorectly translated was the garden of animals ! meaning us in Sumarian times about 7000 years BCE.
Any way this is the wrong thread for ancieny history defonitions.
go over to GIYA chennel for the truth. Not here
AG

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« Reply #98 on: June 18, 2020, 08:31:13 PM »
   AlienGrey:
   Oh, sorry. I thought that I was talking about real things, still around and in use. AG, or is it Ray? Never a dull moment.
   When we look at ancient megalithic structures, and how, why, and where they were build, do you just considered them to be old useless shit? Well, I leave no rocks un turned. They did know how to build what we can't even begin to replicated, today.
But, that is of no interest to us here? Right? Well, it is to me. Sorry to bore you. Perhaps it's you that needs to go elsewhere, if you don't like what is being said, here. You've got some balls to tell me what to do, and where to go. Ray, or Alien, or whoever.
But, BTW. It's Eden, and it was an actual place and location. No fairy tales. I mentioned nothing about religion. You did.

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« Reply #99 on: June 19, 2020, 04:09:48 AM »
Nickz
All well and good, but Nelson does not own this tech, and has not built a self running device, ever. No one here has.
So, just who do you listen to, or follow. It's like the blind leading the blind. And the ones who can see, will not show us the way.   Do you really think that you can do what all the scientist in the world with all their instruments, labs, and money can't do?I know that this and more is possible, and is already being use in the underground secret labs, EM space crafts, etz...

I find your attitude strange because D.M.Cook, Nikola Tesla, T.H.Moray, Hendershot, Floyd Sweet and hundreds of others solved the problem many by the light of gas lanterns in run down sheds using cotton and wax as insulators for there conductors. Meanwhile you have the combined knowledge of most of mankind as internet at your fingertips, microcomputers and electronics and the global overnight shipping of materials yet continue to be unable to produce the desired results.

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Do you really think that you can do what all the scientist in the world with all their instruments, labs, and money can't do?

Absolutely because maybe 6% are involved in advanced electrodynamics theory, half of them are using antiquated theory and half of that just incompetent so really were looking at a fraction of a percent and there work will never see the light of day. Those poor people are probably gagged by NDA's/national secrecy  and dictated to by some dim wit in a suit or ex-military so yes my confidence is high. I can basically do whatever the hell I want within reason and answer only to myself so I'm cool with that.


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« Reply #100 on: June 19, 2020, 04:57:58 AM »
  Ok, well good luck to you.

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« Reply #101 on: June 19, 2020, 05:21:32 PM »
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The energy gap in the dielectric material's is very large and being the air a dialectic agent, we could theorize the possibility of exist a interaction between positive and negative ionic charges existing in the environment as a way to draw energy from outside to the coils.
Are those charges static?
Tesla mentioned in some of his quotes, about these charges not being static …
Was he referring to the Displacement currents?

Sorry for posting off topic material in your thread in response to Nickz, you can delete it if you want.

In response to the quote above from your post #70, I did an interesting experiment relating to your quote based on the work of T.H.Moray. It was said Moray could generate large amounts of power from his device but also detect movement and sound from great distances. I then occurred to me that a simple 100 foot wire antenna cannot detect movement/sound at a distance, there must be something else.

At which point I imagined a very large electric field surrounding the antenna like a balloon, a virtual antenna if you will, not material in itself but able to interact with the material of the antenna. At which point I built an antenna with a HV capacitor attached to ground for isolation and charged the antenna to some 100 kV. Here the electric field of the antenna could be detected some 20 to 30 feet away with my electrometer.

I also noticed that there were always fluctuations in the readings so I then invented an isolated/insulated electronic version of Tesla's coherer which was placed within the dielectric of the HV capacitor. In fact this apparatus can detect almost any nearby disturbances for the same reasons a HF joule thief changes frequency and input power when we move our hand near it. So while my HV virtual antenna and a HF oscillator like a joule thief may seem very different in appearance the laws of science which dictate there action remain.

I could have spent months maybe years studying this single device and all the phenomena related to it however I tend to prove a theory then move on to the next one. So yes a large electric field not constrained externally and free to move is displaced by external forces which can be detected with sufficiently sensitive equipment. As well, it should be understood these disturbances and displacements are not due to the obvious answer that my device was detecting common RF radio signals or 60 Hz power fluctuations. It was not RF or domestic power because when I demodulated the disturbances or signals no RF or 60 Hz was present.

It's actually quite easy in retrospect and a 5$ 15 kV negative ion generator, homemade HV capacitor and DIY electrometer circuit is a good start. My point is that reality and nature are not static, it is not a line diagram on a piece of paper nor equations in a textbook. Nature is messy, it's chaotic and in perpetual motion on almost every level except our own which gives the false appearance of being static.

I hope this adds to your conversation and gives people something to think about.

Regards

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« Reply #102 on: June 19, 2020, 05:47:42 PM »
   Onepower:   Ok, well thanks for your post. Not sure what it has to do with Free Energy. But, I am sure that there is more to all this than meets the eyes. Anything that Tesla has stated is of interest to me, not sure about Moray, as I have not studied his work. However, Akula did mention that his Tesla coil transmitter signal could be heard on his car radio, quite a ways away, something like a kilometer away the device.
   Thanks again,
                        NickZ

 

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