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Re: Nelson Rocha Devices
« Reply #45 on: May 26, 2020, 09:19:20 PM »
  Void:   You mentioned: "People have heard boys crying "wolf" here and in similar forums just too many times now over the years, and all that can be found each time,are squirrels.
A good clear working circuit demonstration is what will separate the men from the boys who cry wolf.
Just my own opinion".

   AND, my opinion, as well...   NickZ
   PS.  The problem is not a lack of interested builders,  it's the lack of true self running, OU devices to replicate. Are there any...?

NickZ:

You are free to give your opinion, but do not forget that you moderate a topic, which deals with a subject that dates back to 2012, and the fact that you and many participants limit themselves to replicating something based on palpable "nothing", may have somehow sharpened your way of looking at things.
As you say, does Overunity Circuits exist?
Are there Self Running systems?
Isn't that the same doubt that motivated you during these long years that you and many others scrutinized circuits merely in speculation and videos without have sure of nothing ?
Isn't that the same doubt that led you to replicate what you currently have on your bench?
Your morale is worth what it is based on your personal experiences, and when you say that interested builders are not lacking, this is only a relative truth, because what I have seen over the years, they are mostly theoretical and not builders.
I could count on my fingers, true builders who passed through here, and those who still resist, with their unshakable faith of achieving a positive result.
Those who run for pleasure never tire!
If you decide to participate you are welcome! You will not be censored for presenting your ideas and opinions.

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Re: Nelson Rocha Devices
« Reply #45 on: May 26, 2020, 09:19:20 PM »

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Re: Nelson Rocha Devices
« Reply #46 on: May 26, 2020, 09:20:10 PM »
Yeah what is your point ? any chance you can point me to some of your work you have from your last 10 years ?

Kind regards  Raymondo

Hi Raycathode,

I will not answer for Onepower, but I believe that some points he mentioned are sincere and factual.
I respect everyone's opinion including yours, but we are not here to discuss the work of the last 10 years of member Onepower, but the work that I proposed to present in this topic, and it does not seem appropriate for us to deviate from that path.
Grateful for your understanding.

Welcome to this topic

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Re: Nelson Rocha Devices
« Reply #47 on: May 27, 2020, 05:04:06 AM »
Void :
I cannot completely agree with you, but I understand your point of view.
In this specific topic, and I speak only of respect for myself and my motivations, I was very clear, and my intention is to captivate people interested in the mission statement I wrote, and only those who do not expect anything in return should join together, and whatever they do is positive will always be for the benefit of the community.
For obvious reasons, the fact that someone presents something concrete helps to motivate people to participate, but we have seen them many times in this and other Forums, people sometimes cross the limit of reasonable, no one are in a position to demand When someone willingly tries to present or share something without asking for anything in return.
Myself, I have daily work, I have family, and all the time I dedicate to this topic will be in exchange for nothing, and only those who genuinely want to help me, and have consideration and respect for my work, will be welcome, I will not be available for singular and personal requirements.

I agree with you  on the point that you refer, that if someone genuinely wants to share it will not put any barrier to show that it really has a positive result by measurements and scrutiny;  in my opinion this is the main point of Open-source, and that will be my intention, whether the result is positive or not.
Welcome to this topic

Best rewards

Nelson Rocha

Dear Nelson,
As I mentioned, I wasn't speaking about you specifically. Just pointing out in general that if someone (anyone) does a clear demonstration of the concept
they are referring to, it will go a long way to help people see if there might be something potentially interesting or not to investigate further. I also of course
did not make any demands on anyone. :-) It was just a suggestion. Just my opinion. Talk about it and they may fall asleep.
Build it and they will come. ;D

Regarding Tesla's pancake coil design, it will store more energy than a regular coil due to its increased inherent capacitance,
but that in itself does not suggest over unity potential. For there to be over unity, there must be a means to draw in (or release)
energy from outside a given circuit's energy source, whatever components may be used in that circuit. Nature can't be fooled.
Extra energy is either drawn in or released by some given circuit configuration or it isn't.

To see a chance at over unity (COP > 1),  we must find a way to draw in energy (or release energy) from outside our circuit's 
energy source (batteries, etc.) into our circuit. There should be no other way to achieve a COP > 1.
This is why most OU schemes are doomed to failure. There is no means in most schemes to draw in or release that extra energy.
Given this, special coil windings or transformer windings are not likely going to produce OU, unless perhaps if their special design
has some special means to draw in or release energy into the circuit.
A few words for people to fall asleep to. That is not meant to criticize anyone or discourage experimentation at all. Just meant to
get people thinking more practically about how OU may possibly be achieved. ;D

All the best...

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« Reply #48 on: May 27, 2020, 10:07:11 AM »
Hi Nelson,

IMO, if someone wants people to join in and experiment with them on some circuit idea, it would really help to
show a working experimental setup demonstration first, in some sort of clear way; and, if it is not self-looped, then show
what measurements they are doing so people can get an idea how the circuit may actually be performing.
If such a circuit demonstration shows real promise, other people likely will join in and start experimenting as well.

If someone just posts some theoretical ideas and shows no practical and clear working circuit demonstration, it is much less
likely other people will show much interest in 'building' and experimenting. I know in your case you said you are
waiting to get some equipment, but I am just commenting in general. If there is no reasonable demonstration presented right from
the start which stands up to reasonable scrutiny, then it is not so likely many people will show much interest.
People have heard boys crying "wolf" here and in similar forums just too many times now over the years, and all that can be found each
time are squirrels. A good clear working circuit demonstration is what will separate the men from the boys who cry wolf.
Just my own opinion.  :D

If all the full details of making a claimed COP > 1 circuit are 'secret to an elite group' as Chris has stated,
then why is that person posting here in an 'open source' forum in the first place? It should be a no-brainer that not many
people are likely to start experimenting if full details of the claimed 'working' circuit are secret and no
reasonable circuit demonstration is presented :D

All the best...



Sounds like a very lazy post here Void!

Secret, you make me laugh! Tell me where the Secrets lay, here?

The thing is, most of you here have earned yourselves a bad name, no one wants to give you an open door to attack, see the dilemma!

I have given you all Freely, with Zero Secrets, the Circuit, the Geometrical Configuration, the Waveform's to aim for, and 11 videos to study - Not one of you lazy people have taken on the task!

My Forum Members are so successful because:

   1: They study Hard without Complaining!
   2: They Experiment hard without Complaining!
   3: They make improvements very quickly without Complaining!


The experiment you mention, COP > 4, is based exactly on my work, using a circuit with only a few minor changes to the one I posted here. But the Lazy People here would never know this, because they are too lazy to Learn and do the work!

What a shame, you harass Nelson, after he has been showing for years Machines that show how wrong you people are! He has shared many hundreds of videos with you all, all working machines! What did I say some 5 odd years ago: "A Video Demonstration will not help you", Hmmm. All of you Fizzing up at the Bung, now Nelson is here trying to guide you, you make demand after demand of him with nothing in return! Nelson owes you nothing!

Nelson is not being paid to be here to help you - Yet you feel your'e all so extremely important that you should get a personalised lesson, fully working machine plans, and everything else you demand with it - Makes me sick! Chet please get your peepz in line! This behaviour is disgusting!


@Nelson - Please feel free to delete this post, it really helps no one, just outlines how lazy and self-entitled these people really are, which I have already seen majority of already!

I wish you luck Nelson, you have a tough crowd, they are not bothering me, they know I am not here to put up with this sort of non-sense! Don't forget, you are the Moderator, sometimes some tough love makes for a healthier more motivated working environment that others can be confident working in!

Best wishes, stay safe and well My Friend,
   Chris Sykes

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Re: Nelson Rocha Devices
« Reply #49 on: May 27, 2020, 10:34:10 AM »
Void :
I cannot completely agree with you, but I understand your point of view.
In this specific topic, and I speak only of respect for myself and my motivations, I was very clear, and my intention is to captivate people interested in the mission statement I wrote, and only those who do not expect anything in return should join together, and whatever they do is positive will always be for the benefit of the community.
For obvious reasons, the fact that someone presents something concrete helps to motivate people to participate, but we have seen them many times in this and other Forums, people sometimes cross the limit of reasonable, no one are in a position to demand When someone willingly tries to present or share something without asking for anything in return.
Myself, I have daily work, I have family, and all the time I dedicate to this topic will be in exchange for nothing, and only those who genuinely want to help me, and have consideration and respect for my work, will be welcome, I will not be available for singular and personal requirements.

I agree with you  on the point that you refer, that if someone genuinely wants to share it will not put any barrier to show that it really has a positive result by measurements and scrutiny;  in my opinion this is the main point of Open-source, and that will be my intention, whether the result is positive or not.
Welcome to this topic

Best rewards

Nelson Rocha



@Nelson, a very careful reply, in a very political arena!

When people make that choice to engage this topic, the topic of Energy Research, the educated ones, the people that are smart and see where the Facts have been laid out, with experimental proof, these ones with a Hunger to succeed, will succeed.

Just one example:

Guys, I have a proposal for anyone that is honest and interested.
Please put this statement into your mind without any doubts: The device works on the exact principles Chris shared.

Now please go to the workbench and don't quit until you make it work! There are 2 choices to succeed: be smart and do it fast or be stubborn (like me) and do it by failing many times first. Either one works.


Try to focus on those people.

Independent replication, individual confirmation, speaks louder than any buffoon yelling Secrets from some roof top! There are always going to be Un-Educated Buffoons with plenty to say with Zero Experience!

There will be a large number of readers just to lazy to get an Experiment started, so ignore these types. You know the path forward, so on your thread, where you are the Moderator, you moderate as needed!

You have control here, don't let others control the direction of your thread!

Best wishes, stay safe and well My Friend,
   Chris Sykes

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Re: Nelson Rocha Devices
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« Reply #50 on: May 27, 2020, 10:46:16 AM »
  Void:   You mentioned: "People have heard boys crying "wolf" here and in similar forums just too many times now over the years, and all that can be found each time,are squirrels.
A good clear working circuit demonstration is what will separate the men from the boys who cry wolf.
Just my own opinion".

   AND, my opinion, as well...   NickZ
   PS.  The problem is not a lack of interested builders,  it's the lack of true self running, OU devices to replicate. Are there any...?




NickZ - Simple question: Did you ever get Tariel Kapanadze's circuit working?

If not, what do you think was the problem?

Is the problem on your part or do you think Tarial Kapanadze is Fake?

Best wishes, stay safe and well in these Boys to Men times,
   Chris Sykes

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« Reply #51 on: May 27, 2020, 10:56:20 AM »
Chris, Void if you read some back history here on this tread Mr Void knows what he wants and can go to extreme lengths
I can remember Alien Gray being harassed about a project and he just deflected the pressure by saying Void didn't know his harass (silent h) from his elbow, next thing AG was a has-been gone kicked off.

Chris you can be a pain at times but I like you, be careful we don't need to lose any one else !

Raymondo

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Re: Nelson Rocha Devices
« Reply #52 on: May 27, 2020, 11:09:57 AM »
Chris, Void if you read some back history here on this tread Mr Void knows what he wants and can go to extreme lengths
I can remember Alien Gray being harassed about a project and he just deflected the pressure by saying Void didn't know his harass (silent h) from his elbow, next thing AG was a has-been gone kicked off.

Chris you can be a pain at times but I like you, be careful we don't need to lose any one else !

Raymondo



Alien Grey is an asset, ne1 removing him has an agenda, easy to see. Void and I used to sort of get on. Back in the early days, but I must admit, I am disappointing in that last post!


Quote from: ION link=https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=3319.msg57055#msg57055


Lets hope this doesn't stick, I would hate to see EMJ get credit for an age old non-inductive winding technique. 




Nelson is also an asset here! Momentum requires assets!

Thanks Raymondo, glad to know I am a pain!

Best wishes, stay safe and well,
   Chris Sykes

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« Reply #53 on: May 27, 2020, 12:31:19 PM »
  EMJunkie:  To answer your question, no, I never replicated any of Kapanadze's devices. Nor will I, as he has not open sourced any of his projects. Nor has anyone else been able to replicate any of his devices, as yet.
  I replicated an earlier Stalker schematic and device, that has clear videos, schematics, and full explanations. And that is what I still have on hand. But, I will not waste more time on something that is not clearly showing all the details. Unless...there is some hope that there is a useful and practical purpose to do so. Yes, I have become kind of like Hoppy was, a bit skeptical after all these years.
  Nelson: Please forgive me if I sound confused, but, do you have a self running device (like the one you showed on youtube), or not? I ask because you mentioned that it is not self running. Can you clear that up for me. And if so, why are you looking into other circuits. As your self running device, is the only thing on this whole forum, that self runs. But, you don't want to discuss it?  Correct?
  All I'm really into, are solid state self runners. But, I am an electronic assembler, not an inventor. Like you.
  In anycase,  as you are asking for help, IF, I can be of help to you, con mucho gusto.
                                                                       NickZ

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« Reply #54 on: May 27, 2020, 06:51:53 PM »
So let me ask you guys.  Keeping it simple as I can.

Below is my circuit diagram for the Akula/Ruslan self-powered flashlight.
I greyed out the stuff I feel isn't all that important, at least not for this
post.  The inductor you see could be anything.  Akula used a flyback core,
Ruslan used a pot core and I suppose Nelson could use a pair of bifilar
pancake coils.

I'm not saying one way or another whether this circuit actually works.
Instead, I'm asking this:  If it did work, what would have to happen
in the portion of the circuit I haven't greyed out?

Someone asked the question, "Where does the energy enter the system?"

Suppose for a moment (uh hum), time is the energy we are trying to
get to jump into our devices.  What I mean is, what if we play a little
trick with time.  We know electrical energy typically moves at about
one foot in one nanosecond.  Now imagine if we do a little something
with our inductor where the same electrical energy has to be in two
places at exactly the same time.  Crazy aay?  But just for the sake of
grins let's suppose we have a mechanism to do this.  Then let's suppose
we can get the polarity correct in such a way we can power things
with it.  We can light LEDs, or we can charge a capacitor that keeps
things running.  Or, if we're having a really good day, we can do both.
And it's my suspicion, we have to do both.

If we take the optimistic perspective here that at least one of these
many OU devices we have all seen is real, how could it possibly
work?  I have a hunch the concept is actually very simple and the
technique to make it happen is what's killing us.

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Re: Nelson Rocha Devices
« Reply #55 on: May 27, 2020, 07:54:34 PM »
Dear Nelson,
As I mentioned, I wasn't speaking about you specifically. Just pointing out in general that if someone (anyone) does a clear demonstration of the concept
they are referring to, it will go a long way to help people see if there might be something potentially interesting or not to investigate further. I also of course
did not make any demands on anyone. :-) It was just a suggestion. Just my opinion. Talk about it and they may fall asleep.
Build it and they will come. ;D

Regarding Tesla's pancake coil design, it will store more energy than a regular coil due to its increased inherent capacitance,
but that in itself does not suggest over unity potential. For there to be over unity, there must be a means to draw in (or release)
energy from outside a given circuit's energy source, whatever components may be used in that circuit. Nature can't be fooled.
Extra energy is either drawn in or released by some given circuit configuration or it isn't.

To see a chance at over unity (COP > 1),  we must find a way to draw in energy (or release energy) from outside our circuit's 
energy source (batteries, etc.) into our circuit. There should be no other way to achieve a COP > 1.
This is why most OU schemes are doomed to failure. There is no means in most schemes to draw in or release that extra energy.
Given this, special coil windings or transformer windings are not likely going to produce OU, unless perhaps if their special design
has some special means to draw in or release energy into the circuit.
A few words for people to fall asleep to. That is not meant to criticize anyone or discourage experimentation at all. Just meant to
get people thinking more practically about how OU may possibly be achieved. ;D

All the best...


Hi Void ,
I know you weren't talking about me specifically, just as I wasn't talking about you specifically but in general terms, and I respect your opinion and that of everyone even when I disagree.

Regarding your answer about pancake coils:

I'm not sure that you downloaded my mission state pdf on the first page, but if you didn't, you could see that I was clear about the initial objective of this project.

“My intention in returning to this subject is related to the fact that I have done some experiments in the past with a specific oscillator that I develop some years ago , having obtained interesting results with some practical applications like a resonant dielectric  transformer-inverter, with good results.

I would not like to make any kind of claim in particular way , but rather, to develop something practical and a functional system that could be used in favor of the community and documented to be replicated  more easily by the Community users, and in the end , evaluate the efficiency of system with correct measurements,  and that is the main goal of this topic .”


I think I was clear on the highlights, do we agree?
At this point, this is only my goal, and if I defrauded someone even before I started, accept my apologies.
As you mentioned, Nature can't be fooled, but people can be fooled by their Nature.
At no time did I feel that you or anyone could discourage me from this goal, even when some words connote bad energies of disappointment and frustration.
Life has taught me that these are the easiest points to deal with in life, and in the times that we go through the whole union is beneficial for everyone.
You will always be welcome when you want to participate in a constructive and collaborative way.
Thank you for your opinion.

Best Rewards

Nelson Rocha

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« Reply #56 on: May 27, 2020, 08:09:55 PM »

Hi Void ,
I know you weren't talking about me specifically, just as I wasn't talking about you specifically but in general terms, and I respect your opinion and that of everyone even when I disagree.

Regarding your answer about pancake coils:

I'm not sure that you downloaded my mission state pdf on the first page, but if you didn't, you could see that I was clear about the initial objective of this project.

“My intention in returning to this subject is related to the fact that I have done some experiments in the past with a specific oscillator that I develop some years ago , having obtained interesting results with some practical applications like a resonant dielectric  transformer-inverter, with good results.

I would not like to make any kind of claim in particular way , but rather, to develop something practical and a functional system that could be used in favor of the community and documented to be replicated  more easily by the Community users, and in the end , evaluate the efficiency of system with correct measurements,  and that is the main goal of this topic .”


I think I was clear on the highlights, do we agree?
At this point, this is only my goal, and if I defrauded someone even before I started, accept my apologies.
As you mentioned, Nature can't be fooled, but people can be fooled by their Nature.
At no time did I feel that you or anyone could discourage me from this goal, even when some words connote bad energies of disappointment and frustration.
Life has taught me that these are the easiest points to deal with in life, and in the times that we go through the whole union is beneficial for everyone.
You will always be welcome when you want to participate in a constructive and collaborative way.
Thank you for your opinion.

Best Rewards

Nelson Rocha

Hi Nelson,

It seems you are not understanding me. I just gave my own personal point of view on Tesla's pancake coil design
and on other coil and transformer winding approaches. What I said comes from many years of experimenting. I made no
statements about your intentions with this thread, so I don't follow you at all. It seems you really do not like honest input
and feedback, so I will keep my views to myself. No worries. :)
All the best..



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« Reply #57 on: May 27, 2020, 08:14:10 PM »
  EMJunkie:  To answer your question, no, I never replicated any of Kapanadze's devices. Nor will I, as he has not open sourced any of his projects. Nor has anyone else been able to replicate any of his devices, as yet.
  I replicated an earlier Stalker schematic and device, that has clear videos, schematics, and full explanations. And that is what I still have on hand. But, I will not waste more time on something that is not clearly showing all the details. Unless...there is some hope that there is a useful and practical purpose to do so. Yes, I have become kind of like Hoppy was, a bit skeptical after all these years.
  Nelson: Please forgive me if I sound confused, but, do you have a self running device (like the one you showed on youtube), or not? I ask because you mentioned that it is not self running. Can you clear that up for me. And if so, why are you looking into other circuits. As your self running device, is the only thing on this whole forum, that self runs. But, you don't want to discuss it?  Correct?
  All I'm really into, are solid state self runners. But, I am an electronic assembler, not an inventor. Like you.
  In anycase,  as you are asking for help, IF, I can be of help to you, con mucho gusto.
                                                                       NickZ

Hi Nick

At this moment I have absolutely no circuit in my possession, as they were "retained" by the investor who financed the entire project in which I participated in the last years in German .
Regarding the circuit you are talking about, and I am conditioned by a legal agreement to give you details , I already had the opportunity to refer to some elements of this forum that it is not a self-run system but rather self-feedback;
the idea of this system was that it could be used in electric vehicles (Daimler), as a way of using and recycling energy efficiently, using high density supercaps that store a portion of recovered energy, unified in a loop, That processes feedback to the circuit.
It is an interesting process but not overunity.
I hope you have clarified your doubt.
I will be very happy to count on your participation.

Best rewards

Nelson Rocha

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« Reply #58 on: May 27, 2020, 08:40:18 PM »
Hi Nelson,

It seems you are not understanding me. I just gave my own personal point of view on Tesla's pancake coil design
and on other coil and transformer winding approaches. What I said comes from many years of experimenting. I made no
statements about your intentions with this thread, so I don't follow you at all. It seems you really do not like honest input
and feedback, so I will keep my views to myself. No worries. :)
All the best..

Hi Void ,
I understand you very well, but definitely, you unfortunately did not understand me and my answer.
I stressed one of the points, in highlight in my mission state, and you can find some more  interesting info that i mention about pancake coils, namely questions related to their particular characteristics, where you yourself, pointed out one of them.
why wouldn't I like to receive honest opinions? Otherwise, why would I be here trying to involve the community and share my time and experience in this field ?
I'm not worried about your feedback or anyone else's, as it will be welcomed as another opinion, and I hope you continue to share your thoughts,but I feel some discomfort in your words, and I don't understand why.
Perhaps you can enlighten me, and all those who read this topic, where you felt conditioned, as your opinion for my person.
As I said earlier, the objective of this topic is not to promote division but to bring together all the participants,  but being as honest as possible, it seems to me that you are putting yourself aside, and that is not what is intended.
As I told you and I will repeat again, you are very welcome if you want to convey your opinions and thoughts, as long as you are comfortable to do so.

Best rewards

Nelson Rocha

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« Reply #59 on: May 27, 2020, 08:50:23 PM »
Hi ,

Chris ,
I understand, some of the less positive points that may have happened in the past, but it is time to leave some of those points in the past and well buried, as we need all the unity in these times of Disgrace.
I would be glad, that everyone could have a friendly coexistence, where everyone could take up their arguments, without becoming a stage of resentments and bad energies.
Once again if you need any support in your work, I will be available to help, as I hope that there are points on this topic that can also involve you in future.
Many thanks Chris .

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Nelson Rocha

 

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