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Nelson Rocha Devices
« on: April 30, 2020, 08:57:05 PM »
Nelson Rochaa Devices

Please start in this thread over here.
I have set Nelson as the moderator for the whole board. He can delete all Spam messages and messages, that he does not like.So please don´t blame me.He is the master in this board.
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« Last Edit: May 10, 2020, 10:44:17 PM by nelsonrochaa »

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« Reply #1 on: May 10, 2020, 05:00:10 PM »
Here a new beginning.
a mission statement from Nelson ...topic under construction

Quote I would like to greet the OU community and introduce a mildly controversial theme. It is directed
towards researchers of Tesla's bifilar pancake coils.
My intention in returning to this subject is related to performing experiments in the past with a
specific oscillator I developed some years ago. Interesting results were obtained with some good
practical applications, such as a resonant dielectric transformer-inverter.
No claim is made in any particular way, but rather there is a wish to develop something practical as
a functional system. A system of use to the community and documented to be easily replicated by
community users. An aim, is also to evaluate the efficiency of such a system with correct
measurements. That is the main goal of this topic.
Here are some introductory points related to bifilar pancake coils:
Tesla, within a patent relating to their use explains that bifilar or double pancake coils are able to
store many times more energy than single wire coils.
Bifilar coils maximize the voltage between turns.
Tesla assumes that this type of coil has a voltage gain.
The energy within the coil is condensed into negative and positive components of current.
He calls this system a capacitive system of electrostatic nature, where only a small amount of
charge moves through the load per cycle.
Tesla indicates that pancake bifilar coil systems convert input energy in potential, that the current
consumed is minimal, they work in a mode of potential variation and the condition in which the
current can be maintained is with no translational movement of charges.
The displacement current is a back and forth of bound charges in the nonconducting dialectic
materials, similar to capacitors. A bifilar pancake coil is capable of holding electric charges like a
capacitor.
No work can be performed when operated with a displacement current, but if a large quantity of
voltage displaces small amounts of bound charges, work can be performed on loads such as a
filament bulb without the conduction of current.
Modern thinking considers displacement current as false current, different from conventional
current flowing in a conductor wire. However, Tesla understood the meaning of what constitutes
current, like Maxwell did:
“All charge is a residual effect of the polarization of Dielectric and that variations of electric
displacement evidently constitute electric currents.“
Another aspect characterizing this coil is when a bifilar pancake coil operates in resonance, the
distributed capacity is able to overcome the counter force of the inductive reactance.
Because the electrical activity in a pancake coil works against itself (counter EMF) the potential in
the coil raises naturally to higher values. Almost all of the energy stored within a pancake coil is
transformed into full potential.
Summary - pancake coils could act as specific electrical energy storage systems, storing energy in
their dielectric.

My intention is to deepen this theme, which lay forgotten in the "drawer". I would like to count on
the participation of enthusiasts, those interested in contributing to this project in a constructive way.
Since it is a controversial topic, I would appreciate persons with animosity towards the subject
refrain from comment, in order to maintain a healthy ambiance for others.

This topic will be moderated by me, maybe others too, in order to ensure that the rules of good
coexistence are respected.
I hope there are moments of joy within the involvement of all participants.
My thanks!
 Nelson Rocha

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Re: Nelson Rocha Devices
« Reply #2 on: May 12, 2020, 07:58:34 PM »
Well, I am excited. I also research this subject and it is very difficult to find sources of good information.

Displacement current is controversial perhaps if only because the term was introduced as way to satisfy certain assumptions. It took a lot of research to even figure out what the controversy was exactly. Not that I wish to reopen that can of worms here, but I've struggled to find the best terminology to describe this subject matter.

The way I see it, there what we call electricity which typically describes a method in which we use differences in the distributions charged particles to produce work. Then there is this other thing - which seems to arise from potential changes propagating faster than the electrons. This "other thing" has been called a displacement current, Radiant energy, etc. and is a bit of a fickle. It seems to have its own rules, figuring out what these rules are has been very challenging. I look forward to learning and sharing.

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« Reply #3 on: May 13, 2020, 12:20:28 AM »

It will be great to see you share your methods here Nelson! Good on you for taking that step in the Community Direction!

I hope the Community is up for a little bit of a challenge, they may just benefit from a little bit of hard work!

I wish you the best of luck Nelson! Some are more than ready, some the opposite. Yin Yang...

Some advice if I may, monitor your thread reads, keep a running count on it.

Best wishes, stay safe and well my friend,
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Re: Nelson Rocha Devices
« Reply #4 on: May 14, 2020, 12:50:42 PM »
This device looks relevant to pancake coils https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4fp9J_7-JQ

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« Reply #5 on: May 14, 2020, 10:38:29 PM »
Well, I am excited. I also research this subject and it is very difficult to find sources of good information.

Displacement current is controversial perhaps if only because the term was introduced as way to satisfy certain assumptions. It took a lot of research to even figure out what the controversy was exactly. Not that I wish to reopen that can of worms here, but I've struggled to find the best terminology to describe this subject matter.

The way I see it, there what we call electricity which typically describes a method in which we use differences in the distributions charged particles to produce work. Then there is this other thing - which seems to arise from potential changes propagating faster than the electrons. This "other thing" has been called a displacement current, Radiant energy, etc. and is a bit of a fickle. It seems to have its own rules, figuring out what these rules are has been very challenging. I look forward to learning and sharing.

I voltaicfractal ,
I really appreciate your interest, is nice see people interested in this theme with willing to contribute to this topic.
I did experiments in the past, related with this theme and I will try replicate some of these experiments and all help, suggestions and contributions are welcome .


Feel free to present your thoughts and ideas. Welcome !

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« Reply #6 on: May 14, 2020, 10:42:50 PM »
This device looks relevant to pancake coils https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4fp9J_7-JQ

Hi Zephir,
Hope you are fine since I not talk with you long time ago :) .
I appreciate you share and I will view the video. You are welcome to this thread , and I look forward to your contribution through videos or thoughts associated with this topic.
Many thanks

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« Reply #7 on: May 14, 2020, 10:51:44 PM »
It will be great to see you share your methods here Nelson! Good on you for taking that step in the Community Direction!

I hope the Community is up for a little bit of a challenge, they may just benefit from a little bit of hard work!

I wish you the best of luck Nelson! Some are more than ready, some the opposite. Yin Yang...

Some advice if I may, monitor your thread reads, keep a running count on it.

Best wishes, stay safe and well my friend,
   Chris Sykes

Hi Chris ,
I appreciate your support and your tips ;).
I believe this will be a nice topic, where I hope that all interested parties can participate in a constructive way, even those who may be less prepared, as the goal is to have a healthy space where everyone can exchange impressions and who can take pleasure in their participation.
We live in difficult times, and it is important that the community is united.

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« Reply #8 on: May 15, 2020, 12:02:43 AM »
Hi Zephir,
Hope you are fine since I not talk with you long time ago :) .
I appreciate you share and I will view the video. You are welcome to this thread , and I look forward to your contribution through videos or thoughts associated with this topic.
Many thanks

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Zephir ,
I saw the video you shared, and while interesting, its author in my opinion should indicate that there is a transmitter , and that the exposed circuit is only a receiver, otherwise, it could mislead people.
But it is still interesting, my thanks for your sharing.

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« Reply #9 on: May 16, 2020, 03:33:19 AM »
Feel free to present your thoughts and ideas.

Thank you.

My intention is to deepen this theme, which lay forgotten in the "drawer". I would like to count on the participation of enthusiasts, those interested in contributing to this project in a constructive way.

Let's say we have a large source of DC potential, a switch and a long wire in series connected to the positive terminal. Let's say the negative of our source is connected to ground. At the moment of switch closure, before charges start to move, the voltage appears across the conductor even at the very end.... The electrons take time to begin moving, but at the other end of a connected wire a voltage appears. Let's say our wire is floating. It is not connected to anything at the other end. Throughout all space that wire occupies an electric field appears, also instantaneously. It doesn't matter whether any current flow occurs, this field appears. We can open the switch, the field decays. Our wire is an open circuit with several GOhms between the wire and the ground - how much current flowed? Almost none.

We reordered the vacuum and it cost us nothing. We changed something, created a small ripple in the electromagnetic pond, but we spent nothing provided no charges moved.

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« Reply #10 on: May 16, 2020, 03:35:49 AM »
Thank you.

Let's say we have a large source of DC potential, a switch and a long wire in series connected to the positive terminal. Let's say the negative of our source is connected to ground. At the moment of switch closure, before charges start to move, the voltage appears across the conductor even at the very end.... The electrons take time to begin moving, but at the other end of a connected wire a voltage appears. Let's say our wire is floating. It is not connected to anything at the other end. Throughout all space that wire occupies an electric field appears, also instantaneously. It doesn't matter whether any current flow occurs, this field appears. We can open the switch, the field decays. Let's say our wire is an open circuit with several GOhms between the wire and the ground - how much current flowed? Almost none.

We reordered the vacuum and it cost us nothing. We changed something, created a small ripple in the electromagnetic pond, but we spent nothing provided no charges moved.
If your meter is connected to measure the voltage, then your meter is the load, and a very high ohm load compared to the connecting wire you speak of. So current flows(very little to get the meter to read) when your meter(load) is connected to the circuit. ;)
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« Reply #11 on: May 16, 2020, 03:52:55 AM »
If your meter is connected to measure the voltage, then your meter is the load, and a very high ohm load compared to the connecting wire you speak of. So current flows(very little to get the meter to read) when your meter(load) is connected to the circuit. ;)
Mags

I believe you mean your meter. Since you introduced the meter, it must be yours.

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« Reply #12 on: May 16, 2020, 12:39:52 PM »
Thank you.

Let's say we have a large source of DC potential, a switch and a long wire in series connected to the positive terminal. Let's say the negative of our source is connected to ground. At the moment of switch closure, before charges start to move, the voltage appears across the conductor even at the very end.... The electrons take time to begin moving, but at the other end of a connected wire a voltage appears. Let's say our wire is floating. It is not connected to anything at the other end. Throughout all space that wire occupies an electric field appears, also instantaneously. It doesn't matter whether any current flow occurs, this field appears. We can open the switch, the field decays. Our wire is an open circuit with several GOhms between the wire and the ground - how much current flowed? Almost none.

We reordered the vacuum and it cost us nothing. We changed something, created a small ripple in the electromagnetic pond, but we spent nothing provided no charges moved.

Hi voltaicfractal,

Regarding the example given:
with one end of the conductive wire connected and the other suspended in the air,
the current will depend on the surface size of the unconnected wire conductor and the distance relative to ground and their surface size, where also need to be considered, the dielectric element (air) between the plates , resuming It will behave like a condenser.
 Knowing this distance between plates , the electric field can theoretically be calculated using mathematical formulas as well the displacement current however is relevant say that it is not an electric current of moving charges, but a time-varying electric field.

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« Reply #13 on: May 16, 2020, 12:45:15 PM »
I believe you mean your meter. Since you introduced the meter, it must be yours.
voltaicfractal,
Sincerely i feel some hostility in your answer to Magluvin ,and besides being unnecessary, it does not add anything positive to the theme we are talking. I would like common sense and tolerance prevail among the participants in this topic, because as i mentioned earlier, in the difficult times we are in, respect and tolerance are points of order.
Thank you for your understanding.

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« Reply #14 on: May 16, 2020, 01:44:09 PM »
If your meter is connected to measure the voltage, then your meter is the load, and a very high ohm load compared to the connecting wire you speak of. So current flows(very little to get the meter to read) when your meter(load) is connected to the circuit. ;)
Mags

Magluvin ,
Hope you goes well ,
I think personally the example you used is not the best to illustrate what we are talking  , because we are talking in hypothetical displacements currents present relative ground and other point of wire disconnected.
 Being displacements currents not an electric current of moving charges, but a time-varying electric field, in my perspective  the example you give not apply because  is different of conduction current, in the conventional electrically conductive means.
I leave a patent link for a device for measuring current displacements that seems very interesting so that you might be interested.
https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/73/6d/ac/0d8caf02f855e9/US4224540.pdf

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