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Title: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: EMJunkie on April 24, 2020, 12:52:38 AM


My Friends,

I started Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy (https://overunity.com/15395/partnered-output-coils-free-energy/) back in January 2015. It was a success and Partnered Output Coils is now part of every serious Experiment today!

While some struggle, others report great success.

The biggest problem we had was, we could have done the release and Introduction with several hundred less pages on Stefan's Forum! Far too many trouble makers! Yes I could have handled myself a little better, but when one gets Attacked all the time, one tends to get a little defensive.

We Introduce: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group

Chet ( Ramset ) and I are the moderators. There will be opposition, there will be some that don't like being moderated, we will be fair, we will only moderate what we need to! We aim to keep the Trouble makers out and the Motivation High!

No one is twisting your Arm, you join in and participate if you want to! This is your Choice! If your not participating, then please refrain from posting. We want those that have experience posting and all here to help each other.

   1: Off Topic Posts will be deleted!
   2: Posts containing Harassment will be deleted!
   3: Slanderous Posts will be deleted!


I urge all interested parties, Gear Up, we are gonna break new ground! I will do the best I can to help others here! My Team must always come first however, but I am serious, I want every human being on the planet to have the opportunity to learn something amazing and simple!

   1: Input Coil - 10% Duty Cycle starting at about 3 Volts into 25 turns 1.2mm Wire.
   2: Secondary Coil - 70 - 200 Turns 0.8mm wire - Opposes the Primary, use the Right Hand Grip Rule.
   3: Tertiary Coil - 70 - 200 Turns 0.8mm wire - Opposes the Secondary Coil, Assists the Primary Coil, use the Right Hand Grip Rule.


Make sure you have nice clean switching on your Input Coil. You need a Voltage Source that you can turn up, this is important to see the effects.

I have coined a term: Delayed Conduction (http://www.aboveunity.com/thread/delayed-conduction-in-bucking-coils/), I have many hundreds of very detailed articles on my Forum: http://www.aboveunity.com, please use the pages there for reference! Please use: Builders Guide to Aboveunity Machines (http://www.aboveunity.com/thread/builders-guide-to-aboveunity-machines/) for extra help!

Remember: Greater than 90% of the time, your Input is Off, this means your Output should be Off, there is no way for your Output to be On is there - Well yes, this is where Science has no proper explanation for whats occurring! One of many gaping holes in Electromagnetics! Let me tell you something very important:

   1: The Change in Magnetic Field Creates a Voltage!
   2: The Opposition of Magnetic Fields Pumps Current!
   3: The term Magnetic Fields is Interchangeable with Current, as a Current is the same thing / Creates a Magnetic Field!


Your Coils must be Loaded at all times, or this will not work! It is advantageous to think: Action, Reaction and Counter-Reaction!

We have a Historical Record to support Asymmetrical Regauging, as long as one can get the Potential, Voltage sufficiently high enough: I = V / R, then your machines will produce: Above Unity Results!

Don Smith:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qqQarHd74s



The MEG Team:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=no50_5iSr2Y



Tinman:


What-you mean like the below scope shot's?
First scope shot before the diode.
Second scope shot after the diode,and large cap removed.

EDIT: Below, see Before and after Diode.



Graham Gunderson:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQVhMu2FzSg



I have done a video series, to try to explain Partnered Output Coils, the effects, what to look for, how to solve problems and how to make the Coils Act and React together in an advantageous way!

   1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUemDvugl4I
   2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LtTerstCxU
   3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWlLiiIyUOw
   4: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5RoEnmDrR4
   5: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTr6dxD61uw
   6: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFIgo7pj9bY
   7: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKFo4dOW4UU
   8: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUaLp0E2L3s
   9: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gs_e_aU5loc
   10: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DdwNiaEuUrg
   11: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRduG2PNIgk



The Sawtooth Wave Form (http://www.aboveunity.com/thread/the-sawtooth-waveform/) is the defining Energy "Generation" Waveform! Please, always keep this in mind! Think in terms of Energy "Generation"!

You need to think in terms of Symmetry vs Asymmetry! A Symmetrical System can Never Go Above Unity! Your System needs to be Asymmetrical, this is a requirement to be able to "Generate" excess energy beyond the Unity Boundary! Its worth Bench-Marking your machine in Transformer mode, making sure you have around 80% Efficiency at least. Then anything above the 80% mark you can verify, has entered the System beyond the Benchmark value!

As I have shown for many years, Partnered Output Coils must oppose, must Buck each other, there is a specific Polarity to this and the polarity needs to be right. Then you need to focus on the "Generation" Phase, and maximise that phase, remember: I = V / R, Ohms Law. Keep in the back of your head, nearly all the Energy "Generation" Phase is done when your Input is OFF! Thus the short Duty Cycle.

NOTE: Your Machine Pumps Current for almost 100% of the Cycle, but your Input is only on around 10%, or less, so > 90% of the Cycle, you have Energy Output, Energy Output when your Input is OFF, this is significant!

If you only take one thing from what I have posted, please take the following sentence:

Its all just an Understanding, think Asymmetry, forget Symmetry. The Magic happens when you break Symmetry! Action, Reaction and Counter-Reaction!

I hope we get a good response from everyone! Good intentions bring forth Good Intentions, but also brings not so good Intentions, thus why we will Moderate. Please think twice before posting.

Please Remember: This is a Builders Group, if you are not building, then if you can make sure you only post useful, serious discussion, you think that would be helpful for others!

I would like to personally Invite Tinman to join us, that is if he wishes.

Best wishes, stay safe and well,
   Chris Sykes
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: Augenblick on April 24, 2020, 02:50:36 PM
Bravo, Chris! There is a lot for enthusiasts and experimenters to digest here. I hope each ventures to see what is also happening at AboveUnity/HyIQ.

Best regards ...
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: EMJunkie on April 24, 2020, 11:27:51 PM
Bravo, Chris! There is a lot for enthusiasts and experimenters to digest here. I hope each ventures to see what is also happening at AboveUnity/HyIQ.

Best regards ...


Hello Augenblick,

Thank You My Friend!

I think many here would be surprised how much there is to learn in only a few simple experiments. It seems they are not willing to pick up the ball, perhaps scared that a good result may be achieved? As we both know there is a lot of progress on my forum! I believe Kampen will be joining us in these experiments. I will be happy if all the progress just stays there, it will be much easier to manage  ;)

The truth is, it is only a matter of time, before those currently unwilling to join in, see the effects I am describing, then they will be forced to admit, what we are sharing with people, is one of the only paths forward! This is inevitable!

Our Future is going to be Glorious! If we can get there in one piece that is!

Best wishes,
   Chris Sykes
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: EMJunkie on April 25, 2020, 11:53:54 PM


Energy can neither be Created nor Destroyed! This is true, but as the great Floyd Sweet told us: ( Of course excepting the Big Bang, and many other spontaneous Energy Creation events out of nothing, like the continuous expansion of the known Universe due to Dark Energy, requiring more energy than anything we have ever known out of nothing as well as many other examples... )

Quote

As postulated by Einstein in his famous equation E = mc2, energy is a kind of matter.



This is known as Einstein's Mass Energy Equivalence!

The display of Force we see in the "Generator", is a redirected event, redirected between the Partnered Output Coils! So as a "Generator" "Generates" Energy, Partnered Output Coils "Generate" Energy also! The Primary Coil is only a Field Excitation Coil. When the Partnered Output Coils are Resonant, magnetically Resonant, then the Input Coil see's no load, in fact the Input to the Input Coil can become Negative. Meaning more Energy comes back out at you than you put in to get the machine working.

Through History, we have seen many examples!

Some Members have been here for a very long time. They way I see it, every opportunity should be accepted and Seized with both hands!



I mean, you don't want to be last to pick up the ball and last to find that this works do you?



Quote from: Floyd Sweet Nothing is Something

The principle of superposition states that; "In order to calculate the resultant intensity of superimposed fields, each field must be dealt with individually as though the other were not present". The resultant is obtained by vector addition of each field considered singularly. Consider for a moment the construction of the triode which includes the bifilar coils located within the fields of the two magnets.

When the current in one half of the conductors in the coils (i.e., one of the bifilar elements in each coil) of the device is moving up, both the current and the magnetic field follow the right-hand rule.

The resultant motional E-field would be vertical to both and inwardly directed.

At the same time the current in the other half of the conductors in the coils is moving down and both the current and magnetic field follow the right-hand rule.

The resulting motional E-field is again vertical to both and inwardly directed.

Thus, the resultant field intensity is double the intensity attributable to either one of the set of coil conductors taken singularly.



There is the truth, it is right in front of our faces! We have been told for so long, yet we choose to stay ignorant to the truth, to the advancement of the Human Race. WHY?

Don Smith also told us:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsKoAu_X25A


Lets do this, lets make the Future so Glorious, lets make the Star Trek Future we were supposed to have a century ago!

Share your experiments, I will help! Start small and simple, low voltage so you can slowly turn it up as you need to! I will help!

Best wishes,
   Chris Sykes
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: ramset on April 26, 2020, 01:19:54 PM
Chris
 Thank you for the link you sent me to this topic today .
 As I mentioned we have fundamental differences in how we present to the world .


 If I understood how this worked or how there was a gain mechanism I could teach another
I would explain it ..Teach it ..and hold it up to Any scrutiny I could find.


And ask the best writers (of pdf) to make a document and share it globally!


I see Tinman is written many times lately ( or always) also Graham
I know Tinman has never been moderated ,he was a moderator here I believe?
If he had something to share I am certain he would have shared a long time ago
I know if he had shared any gain mechanism with me !
 all reading here would have had it a long time ago!


Also last year I had asked Graham if he would open source
He asked me if open source ever worked (or something like that)


I have never seen an open source gain mechanism shared anywhere ( a how too )
So it was a strange exchange?


I know you do not allow measurements as a teaching method ( or have written this )


This is a fundamental difference which I cannot grasp
Also why other persons are needed here if a gain mechanism already exsists?
(Tinman or Graham)


I will not moderate anything here and would hope to have separate areas ...since we have
Very different ideas on how to change this world (technique of showing measurement gain)


Here there have been wonderful builders like Otto and Groundloop PESE and many more
That gave their entire life and effort to open sourcing a gain mechanism


These men I adored...
Their example I will follow.


I may not understand your methods and obviously I do not understand your gain mechanism


Or everybody reading here would have a pdf in front of them
Explaining all .


Yes I am and have been confused about your technique
Hopefully that Will change .


I honestly don’t know that we have the luxury of much more time
And see the censoring of many things globally! How long until internet becomes
Moderated ? Last few days Keely net and rexresearch gone


As I mentioned in pm I believe we need a global community
ASAP
Organized And focused on energy autonomy and doing the next right thing for this planet.


Hoping for the best
And working on some projects for this 2020 board


An Yes BTW i do have much hope that TinMan might be included!
He has certainly carried more than his fair share of water in these
Forums ...


Last we spoke he was raising micro greens ( as well as working his full time mechanics job),something we should all learn to do
A 50 lb bag of seed makes 500lbs of food in 7 days
Hardly any energy


I will be starting a topic on that too!
But not as a moderator


I had asked Stefan to be part of your teaching
Topic
But for other types of builds  , and with other builders doing the moderating (that is in the works)


Thanks for all you do
Respectfully
Chet K
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: EMJunkie on April 27, 2020, 12:51:13 AM


Chet, great to see your'e feeling well again and back to normal operations!


Chris
 Thank you for the link you sent me to this topic today .
 As I mentioned we have fundamental differences in how we present to the world .


 If I understood how this worked or how there was a gain mechanism I could teach another
I would explain it ..Teach it ..and hold it up to Any scrutiny I could find.


And ask the best writers (of pdf) to make a document and share it globally!





I think our experiences in life give us different perspectives. We do the things we do based on our learned or experienced perspective. The saying "Trust your gut feeling", well that's a perspective isn't it! I guess what I have done and the way I have done it is based on my perspectives, on my life experiences.





I see Tinman is written many times lately ( or always) also Graham
I know Tinman has never been moderated ,he was a moderator here I believe?
If he had something to share I am certain he would have shared a long time ago
I know if he had shared any gain mechanism with me !
 all reading here would have had it a long time ago!




I may have got my wires crossed, I heard that there was some problems here some time back and a few regular members got in trouble, some got moderated, I guess I was informed incorrectly about Tinman? His last post here was August last year, Image below.




Also last year I had asked Graham if he would open source
He asked me if open source ever worked (or something like that)


I have never seen an open source gain mechanism shared anywhere ( a how too )
So it was a strange exchange?




I have many reasons for this, but one example is because If I show measurements and everyone else puts a single experiment in and then does not get those measurements then they will scream Hoax, wont they, its happened before here and many other places. If one wants it, they have to:

   1: Work hard for it!
   2: Learn to look for the Effects first, improve on the effects then the Numbers will come - I have said this forever!
   3: Learn what to look for.




I know you do not allow measurements as a teaching method ( or have written this )


This is a fundamental difference which I cannot grasp
Also why other persons are needed here if a gain mechanism already exsists?
(Tinman or Graham)





We teach Math to every Child in School, English, and all the other subjects, why not treat this the same?




I will not moderate anything here and would hope to have separate areas ...since we have
Very different ideas on how to change this world (technique of showing measurement gain)


Here there have been wonderful builders like Otto and Groundloop PESE and many more
That gave their entire life and effort to open sourcing a gain mechanism


These men I adored...
Their example I will follow.




Most of us were here when the Akula Sting went down, we all saw the same things - Right? Well we may not all recall the same things the same way, but Akula is no more, not around, not sharing, not at all present as he used to be! He was silenced! Silenced quickly! Why and How was he silenced? If we can learn from these situations, then perhaps we can stop this occurring like it has so many time through out history!




I may not understand your methods and obviously I do not understand your gain mechanism


Or everybody reading here would have a pdf in front of them
Explaining all .




I did a pdf, no one read and learned anything from it, instead they took small snippets and criticized it for the nearly 4 years I was here. I am happy you think such things would work Chet, my experience tells me quite different results are obtained.




Yes I am and have been confused about your technique
Hopefully that Will change .


I honestly don’t know that we have the luxury of much more time
And see the censoring of many things globally! How long until internet becomes
Moderated ? Last few days Keely net and rexresearch gone




Apparently back up now I believe?




As I mentioned in pm I believe we need a global community
ASAP
Organized And focused on energy autonomy and doing the next right thing for this planet.


Hoping for the best
And working on some projects for this 2020 board


An Yes BTW i do have much hope that TinMan might be included!
He has certainly carried more than his fair share of water in these
Forums ...


Last we spoke he was raising micro greens ( as well as working his full time mechanics job),something we should all learn to do
A 50 lb bag of seed makes 500lbs of food in 7 days
Hardly any energy


I will be starting a topic on that too!
But not as a moderator


I had asked Stefan to be part of your teaching
Topic
But for other types of builds  , and with other builders doing the moderating (that is in the works)


Thanks for all you do
Respectfully
Chet K



One of my Members on my forum, thinks he has an answer to why this is a bit tricky to make work, why there is a bit of fiddling to this. He think's there is an Adiabatic Process to this technology. If you like a Adiabatic demagnetization curve.

Chet, we have machines running, many of us, I see little interest, I see little funding for those people! I see more funding go towards Vaccines that are all dangerous and lethal to many hundreds of children each year, more so than the actual virus they are supposed to protect against!

But no funding toward Energy, the Planets number One Major Issue!

As an example, watch this video, LISTEN CAREFULLY: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oacGnE-O7jA

From the horses mouth! Right there, facts are facts!

But does Energy get any funding? No!!!

Why? because Energy is the answer to the worlds problems, without these problems, there would be no need for Vaccines, we would all, every single one of us, have comfortable lives, all Healthy and happy, all free of Eugenics Fanaticist's!

Do people really want change? No, they want to be comfortable sitting at home watching their TV's, they don't want to be bothered with fighting for the right to live! Fighting for the right to cheap energy, automotive power... Soon they will have to! The world is not what they think! The world is filled with Evil and it must be defeated!

Best wishes,
   Chris Sykes
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: ramset on April 27, 2020, 02:01:39 AM
Chris Thank you for the thoughtful reply ,and yes ...a big job ahead ..RE the links being removed at certain sites .. same sites keep having issues ...also it seems to be happening more often...and in other areas too [especially medical ?

do not wish to interrupt your topic....be well
thxChet


Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: EMJunkie on April 27, 2020, 02:07:54 AM


Chris Thank you for the thoughtful reply ,and yes ...a big job ahead ..RE the links being removed at certain sites .. same sites keep having issues ...also it seems to be happening more often...and in other areas too [especially medical ?

do not wish to interrupt your topic....be well
thxChet


Hey Chet, The world we left, before going into isolation is not going to be the same world we come back into!

I cant help but say, something just does not feel right here. Cant quite put my thumb on it yet...

Best wishes,
   Chris Sykes
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: AlienGrey on April 27, 2020, 12:16:02 PM
Well perhaps there is some truth in it being the age of aquarious so what happend to
happines and understanding (the song age of aquarious). More so metalic and military take over
the so called a new order one army one world goverment       

Hey Chet, The world we left, before going into isolation is not going to be the same world we come back into!

I cant help but say, something just does not feel right here. Cant quite put my thumb on it yet...

Best wishes,
   Chris Sykes
  Well perhaps there is some truth in it being the age of Aquarius so what happened to (the song age of aquariums happiness and understanding).
More so metallic and military take over the so called a new order one army one world government.

Oops are we getting off target here, but hell you asked.

How about you could explain how the bucking phenomena works. That would be real nice.

AG
         
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: EMJunkie on April 27, 2020, 10:52:38 PM
  Well perhaps there is some truth in it being the age of Aquarius so what happened to (the song age of aquariums happiness and understanding).
More so metallic and military take over the so called a new order one army one world government.

Oops are we getting off target here, but hell you asked.

How about you could explain how the bucking phenomena works. That would be real nice.

AG
       


Hey there AG,

  Well perhaps there is some truth in it being the age of Aquarius so what happened to (the song age of aquariums happiness and understanding).
More so metallic and military take over the so called a new order one army one world government.

Oops are we getting off target here, but hell you asked.



Whats in the future is unavoidable unless we make changes today! Either way the age is at an end, we are going through the Cyclic Problems associated with the ending of an Age and the new Age is coming! The Age of Aquarius is upon us! Things will change! Lets hope for the best! The following video may be of interest: The Great Year https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3ZDcj0kF_0




How about you could explain how the bucking phenomena works. That would be real nice.

AG
       



Not long ago I would have described Marbles, stationary, inside the Coils, and the Magnetic Fields in conjunction with the Electric Fields, pumping the Marbles down the Wires, but no I am not so sure!

I use a term to describe something that is unknown, The Black Box Syndrome, this uses the idea of working back from the Output back, We have V and I and they are in Phase, so whats required to get V and I when we have only Magnets and Wires available?

In our experiments we have found what works best and that is explained above. Recent work on My Forum shows working up at, or near the Knee of the BH Curve may be of benefit. As shown, the Cycle is DC, as was explained by those before us! We have verified this, to get AC, we need to have two halves of the DC Cycle in the opposite Polarity's, which may be more work than one can imagine initially.

What we do today affects tomorrow! If we do good today, we bring good Karma tomorrow, if we do bad then we bring bad Karma!

How do I know things will slowly get better? We are heading into the enlightened Ages! One day in a long time, these Ages will end and we will head into dark Ages again. That is unless we choose to stay enlightened!

Today, we have the chance to make a real difference!

Best wishes,
   Chris Sykes
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: Atti2 on April 29, 2020, 03:16:48 PM
There are a lot of posts, I no longer know where to write. I see it as more of a conversation.
I’m not a transformer expert, but there are a few thoughts related to the topic.
Hereinafter here and elsewhere.
When we give our time to someone else, we give it to us from our lives. I think we only need to spend our time on the people who reciprocate. In this perilous time, we need to think twice about how we spend our precious time. To whom we give and from whom we take it. Especially since he has already been abused.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaW0mUdKvN4&feature=emb_logo
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: ramset on April 29, 2020, 06:24:20 PM
Sir  Tremendous gratitude for your Video,and yes I suggest only experiments and experimenters in these "builders group" topics....

respectfully Chet K
ps Hopefully there will be method for viewers to contribute here soon. A question ?...In your country do Amazon gift cards have value [easy to use or?]Here we can just buy cards at store and send pass code off card to Email or PM ?write pass code in message ?
//

 Again Atti2 Vid https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaW0mUdKvN4&feature=emb_logo
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: Raycathode on April 29, 2020, 08:32:55 PM
Translation

Transformer coils with magnetically loose or magnetically tight fit. A change in magnetic conditions affects the power absorbed or filled. Hereinafter, a distinction must be made between coil flux and iron flux. Idling is characterized by the fact that the flux closes practically only inside the iron core, so both coils (primary and secondary) close with the same flux. resulting from the summation of associated fluxes.
Category
Science and Technology

I hope it helps

Please explain the point he is trying to get through (could he please explain) perhaps in another tread.
, many thanks. Raymondo
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: EMJunkie on April 30, 2020, 12:25:33 AM


Atti - Awesome work My Friend!

Atti has a great deal of experience with this setup, everyone should try to learn from Attis demonstration!

Thank You Atti!

Best wishes,
   Chris
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: Atti2 on April 30, 2020, 02:39:16 PM
Ramset.
It's really an honor to think of me. But I don't take the opportunity. Thanks!

Raymondo.

"Please explain the point he is trying to get through"

Don't be angry but I don't understand the question.
By the way, what I wanted to cover and what is also included in the textbooks:
-coil flux
-flux closing inside the iron core
-scattering flux
Their combined effect on each other.
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: ramset on May 01, 2020, 11:52:57 AM
Atti2 , I understand and I greatly appreciate your contribution here to help others
 understand by sharing your work.
To explain cause and effect in a Gain mechanism is a critical  move forward.
Once the gain mechanism is understood ?
hopefully your efforts will grow and be fruitful ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaW0mUdKvN4&feature=emb_logoperhaps (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaW0mUdKvN4&feature=emb_logoperhaps) // Since you are only replicator here [at this moment]  you can have separate board for your build ? [won't get lost in other posts here... and you [no other person] can moderate and update or manage your topic ?]

thx Chet
ps I am not moderator on Chris's board ...awaiting correction by Stefan.....I will be working for those helping to grow our open source resources..[working for people like YOU].. towards a more global group...gathering more people resources and accessing equipment and funds for those like yourself that open source their work for the benefit of all.
MUCH gratitude here.your example is greatly appreciated !!
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: Atti2 on May 01, 2020, 02:39:03 PM
Chet  and everyone.

In my opinion, there are some phenomena that cannot be ignored. But unfortunately I am not an expert on the subject. And the question is legitimate. Am I going to do anything for it? Am I doing the right thing?
Unfortunately, I do not yet fully understand the mechanism of the phenomena. Therefore, I can only say my opinion. Or I'd rather show it. It would be good to see the work of others if similar experiments have been done on this topic.
 (unfortunately my time at work is quite limited, I can’t always deal with the topic. It would really be worth opening a new thread because I think the impact here and elsewhere in my work can be found in this device. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5RCABeNeP4
At least that's my experience so far.)
The drawing doesn't cheat, but the google translation does. It is clear that in the asymmetric arrangement, the self-induction processes affect each other. Visible best when loose.
Further investigation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=fL2hENfI12g&feature=emb_logo
Here, for example, you can see the switching time on the fet gate. It can also be seen after what happens (fet drain feet) So the on time, off time and work cycle.
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: ramset on May 01, 2020, 05:17:42 PM
Chet  and everyone.
It would really be worth opening a new thread because I think the impact here and elsewhere in my work can be found in this device. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5RCABeNeP4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5RCABeNeP4)
At least that's my experience so far.)
The drawing doesn't cheat, but the google translation does. It is clear that in the asymmetric arrangement, the self-induction processes affect each other. Visible best when loose.
Further investigation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=fL2hENfI12g&feature=emb_logo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=fL2hENfI12g&feature=emb_logo)
Here, for example, you can see the switching time on the fet gate. It can also be seen after what happens (fet drain feet) So the on time, off time and work cycle.
Atti2.....I did send you PM for details...?.. and will help expedite with Stefan.
much Gratitude Chet K [ PS ..also I notice Stefan has not removed my Moderator status here .... he did send me note he would remove this at his next opportunity [he is VERY busy At the moment]
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: NickZ on May 01, 2020, 08:54:26 PM
   Well, that moderate heading looked good to me, Chet.  Leaving so soon?
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: ramset on May 02, 2020, 03:58:44 PM
Nick  Moderator suit is itchy for me...probably fits you better ?
IMO would be a good idea for you to have a board as a back up plan...it makes life much easier for our host ,I know he must be very busy
since he has yet to remove this itchy suit....[I would not want a moderator suit where I can'tbuild]



respectfully
Chet
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: GeoFusion on May 02, 2020, 05:18:32 PM
Hi All , greetings

New test have been done  using the ground with new findings and methods.


 updates from my bench.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTCaF7R4Z-M&t=

Enjoy

G
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: tinman on May 07, 2020, 04:39:19 AM

I would like to personally Invite Tinman to join us, that is if he wishes.

Best wishes, stay safe and well,
   Chris Sykes

OK,i have !some! free time,so lets do it.

!But!--i have 4 conditions  ;)

1--> All past conflicts between us are forgiven and forgotten -->from both of us.

2-->You (Chris) reply to my post with a drawing of the test device i am to build and tune,so as i have a clear starting point-->please  :). This will give me the best chance of being able to prove what you say is true. BTW,i have always believed it can be made to work in the SS version-->condition 3  ;)

3--> The Rotary Transformer is not to be mentioned throughout this experiment.

4--> Once the device is completed,we work together to loop the device,so as it is a true self runner.
This will eliminate any claims by others that !we! are seeing a measurement error.

At this point in my life,i have only time for looped self running devices,and nothing else will do.
I'm sure you feel the same. I have no problem using test equipment throughout the testing and tuning phase,but the only proof i except for final proof now is a looped self running device.

I also accept that if i cannot get it to work as you claim,in no way means that your design dose not or will not work. I will accept it was a failure on my behalf only.

My bench is clean,so let's get the ball rolling.


Brad
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: EMJunkie on May 07, 2020, 05:48:50 AM
OK,i have !some! free time,so lets do it.

!But!--i have 4 conditions  ;)

1--> All past conflicts between us are forgiven and forgotten -->from both of us.

2-->You (Chris) reply to my post with a drawing of the test device i am to build and tune,so as i have a clear starting point-->please  :). This will give me the best chance of being able to prove what you say is true. BTW,i have always believed it can be made to work in the SS version-->condition 3  ;)

3--> The Rotary Transformer is not to be mentioned throughout this experiment.

4--> Once the device is completed,we work together to loop the device,so as it is a true self runner.
This will eliminate any claims by others that !we! are seeing a measurement error.

At this point in my life,i have only time for looped self running devices,and nothing else will do.
I'm sure you feel the same. I have no problem using test equipment throughout the testing and tuning phase,but the only proof i except for final proof now is a looped self running device.

I also accept that if i cannot get it to work as you claim,in no way means that your design dose not or will not work. I will accept it was a failure on my behalf only.

My bench is clean,so let's get the ball rolling.


Brad



Brad, I forgive you and I hope you can forgive me! We had some heated debates and there was a very strange series of events that unfolded near the end of our last passages!

I have to decline your conditions, especially condition: 3.

I have given a Clear Starting Point, in 11 Videos, Circuits, Waveforms and so on in my first post you reference.

Sorry Brad, something just does not feel right here! I just cant go any further here, something is wrong! I have to carry on where I am, that's where my path lays, at lease for the moment.

@GeoFusion - Nice work, I gave you a Thumbs Up.

Best wishes
   Chris Sykes
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: EMJunkie on May 07, 2020, 10:34:58 PM

The First post has a ton of data in it!

My Website: http://www.aboveunity.com My Team, they are all awesome and I could not ask for a better bunch of people! They Work with me on advancing this technology, many of us are working on Technology way in advance of what you might believe!

If you want to be part of this effort, join our Team, be part of something better!

I am sorry, I am not sharing all my work as Brad asked! I have not got far enough yet to show the world whats possible to show what I have!

I will help others, I am more than happy to do that! But I am not divulging everything, just as Brad refuses to talk about the RT.

You must realise, if I am not here, no one will do my job. How many people go missing when they share one thing the establishment does not want in the public domain. The longer I don't show any of my advanced work, the better for everyone! I have shown more than enough! My Website shows lots of basic stuff, tons of experiments to learn about this, and hundreds of pages to give insight on what I have learned.

My Team will help others that want to learn and are willing to put in the work. Once the basics are understood, then the rest is simple progression as we all must do, the more that share, the faster we make progression!

Many of my team are very far advanced, they are very knowledgeable, you must read between the lines some to understand what we are really sharing!

I will still post here, but I do not agree to Brads conditions.

Best wishes,
   Chris Sykes
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: EMJunkie on May 10, 2020, 03:36:46 PM


@Smudge,

I hope you are well!

I read your paper here: Extracting Energy from Permanent Magnet Electron Spins.pdf (https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=3862.msg81752#msg81752)

I have a question for you if you don't mind?

I have never read anything about your mention of the Schrodinger Equation, have you ruled out any direct correlation to Electron Spin Wave Mechanics in the Copper Atom ( Cu ) in the Coils?

The reason I ask, is, that is where some of my most successful experiments have taken me and Floyd extensively talked about this in his papers.

Quote from: Floyd Sweet link=http://www.hyiq.org/Downloads/Magnetic%20Resonance%20by%20Floyd%20A.%20Sweet.%20PH.%20D.pdf

Using a more rigorous wavemechanics approach...



I know you worked with Mark Goldes, and Aesop Institute, I am not sure you were at Marks Employ when he Funded Floyd Sweet, but I would have thought you had access to the papers?

Best wishes, stay well,
   Chris Sykes
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: EMJunkie on May 11, 2020, 06:48:07 AM


@Researchers wanting to Learn,

Viewing the Partnered Output Coils in a particular way is important. For example, many machines using Partnered Output Coils, have no Core! Air Cores are used in many machines. So implying any sort of Interaction between an External Source and the Cu Atom in the Coil is going to have the very same Lenz's Law effects as we should expect to see. Gain = < 1.0. A Symmetrical System, no Asymmetry is possible.

The Medium you Focus on is Important!

Focus on the Coils, Focus on the Copper Atom, the Electron Shells in the CU Atom and the Electrons themselves! This is your Charge, and this is what you must make move, aka a Current.

If you are serious, if you want to learn, I have given Chet a lot of information, please PM him, and ask him to share what I have given him.

If you want this, you must be part of the Team we have, you can be based here, but you must join in in Experiments and you must share your work, help others with your work - One Man Alone can not change the world, together we can make tomorrow very different!

Ask the Why Questions, avoid all others until you have the why!

Why did I write a post to Smudge and make it public? What did you learn from this post? What do you know now, you may not have known before? Zero malice was intended, in-fact including Smudge in these efforts would be greatly welcomed!

Question Everything!

Best wishes, stay well and safe all!

   Chris Sykes
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: ramset on May 11, 2020, 01:15:57 PM
EDIT I had asked weeks ago to be removed here as moderator in this builder topic [will send3rd request today]

Chris quote If you are serious, if you want to learn, I have given Chet a lot of information, please PM him, and ask him to share what I have given him end quote.

For clarity I am uncertain [COMPLETELY uncertain?] what useful info for building anything ?
Chris has sent me in a PM. ? a tease written above about some PM to me ??
Chris please post this Quote "a lot of information" here ...I must not have understood your writing...and also... you did write in same PM [you mention above] to post your PM here if I wish. [as I had previously written to you about my Pm  ??

I read no clear direction no schematics nothing of any value [unless written in code]

open source has no fences ...and really should have no PM's either .
and I have absolutely no idea whatsoever about this epiphany you write above on Smudge ? or its relevance to any experiments ...If there is something to experiment on which you feel Smudge could greatly benefit from...since he shares all his FE musings ...then the open source community would also benefit.[to note : Smudge shares his work and to my knowledge stopped reading here a long time ago [which was the topic of my PM to you]
Please don't build fences around open source work ...or feel the need to micro manage all details...if you do indeed worry about persons who have experimented on FE being "hindered"

share to as many as possible as fast as possible...spreading info without fences
the only path forward..
I post useful info in as many places as I can...and always have, there is no allegiance
to any person or forum [only respect and appreciation for those who help] **problem is what is useful info ?
you seem to know ??...you write [para phrase] "not at this time" in PM to me.
you write this here too ...
I have written this before...and I write it again ...if you have an experiment which can show an anomaly ..send it to me ....I will post it here and to other places without fences "from an anonymous contributor" .
I don't imagine it would be more than a few sentences ...and a simple circuit ?


any anomaly which can withstand rigorous investigation by all.
the community team is global...all languages..no fences of any kind will do..no limits to our resources will suffice [especially people resources ] 

the time has come to share...and tare down fences...not build them.
open source ..the only path or choice there has ever been...stay out of boxes and fences.If your team will not allow you to share an anomaly ??..ask them why ?..I certainly would....i don't understand persons who write "someday ?" a "few years ?..." .....EVERY SECOND COUNTS especially now.
respectfully
  Chet K
PS IMO posts like this above [mine] are a wasted use of bandwidth ...pull an anomaly out from behind the fence and post it here...
before they don't allow us internet access or maybe even a power grid.PPSas  mentioned in PM to Chris I was planning on reaching out to Cyril [smudge] if he would have a board here once this forum had appropriate moderated venue .
seems there are still a few Bugs ...but well underway..


 
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: EMJunkie on May 11, 2020, 10:46:25 PM


Hey Chet,

My Team and I have no Fences: See: http://www.aboveunity.com/tagged/above-unity/

All the work there, in that thread is Open Source and Above-Unity specifically meaning Over the Unity Boundary.

Chet, like I said in my last post to you: "If Energy Machines are to become public domain, its going to take a team effort, not just relying on one person, one person alone can not save the world!"

My Team are currently proving this to be a true statement!

Best wishes,
   Chris Sykes
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: ramset on May 13, 2020, 12:43:04 AM
Chris,
  Did finally speak with Smudge today ,he is well... but rules are strict in UK for elderly[strict quarantine] .I wanted to speak with him first about a board here ,he was concerned about no longer having equipment ,I mentioned there would be experimenters who would love to try his musings,Did ask a bit about the Floyd Sweet and mentioned you ,he said there are probably plenty
of things to try there?I asked him to take some time to think about it and I would send him info on the board [location ,rules etc...]he will need help with this [managing etc ...] I offered although ....??

He is most passionate about this work ...he is truly a delight ....I am hopeful he does this ,it will be a nice place to place all his musings too.
respectfully Chet
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: EMJunkie on May 13, 2020, 04:28:55 AM
Hey Chet,

Smudge is a very smart fellow! I have great respect for the man!

In my last post, mentioning his paper: Extracting Energy from Permanent Magnet Electron Spins.pdf (https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=3862.msg81752#msg81752), Smudge speaks directly of V x B and Extracting Energy from Permanent Magnet Electron Spins.

Smudge is right, I feel he has not focused on the Coils and Copper Atoms as the Medium and focused too much on the Magnets.

What I was trying to say, is the paper is very close in my opinion, just focusing on the wrong medium.

While others may have taken offence to the post I made, they should rather have looked into the content, making an attempt to learn from the points made.

The only medium that can penetrate the Insulated Copper Wire is the the Magnetic Field, the Conductor is Insulated, so what Smudge is talking about is right, and accurate, only the Copper Atom needs to be the focus specifically, not the Magnets.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hn46yfWDk0


Chet, please pass on my regards to Smudge, his work is always a pleasure to see.

Best wishes,
   Chris Sykes
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: voltaicfractal on May 13, 2020, 04:30:23 AM
Its great to see some positive steps in this community toward burying old grievances and working together. Blessed are the peacemakers Chet. Thanks for your work in this regard.

I've followed Chris work for awhile and I have accepted that he is not going to be sharing his devices. He does share some practical foundational things that he believes contributed to his success. Unfortunately, life isn't that easy and what helped Chris doesn't necessarily help us. Best we just accept that it is what it is. If we want the secrets we have to do the work. Its just that simple.

For a practical look Chris has suggested a few experiments which he believes demonstrate important oddities. Mr. Preva and his non-Inductive experiments are two examples. I personally think Fighter's ZPM is a much better approach for those who really want to look for AU and have no interest in researching oddities. One might try to obtain a self resonant frequency where one coil has maximum impedance and the other is minimum impedance.
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: EMJunkie on May 13, 2020, 04:59:55 AM
Its great to see some positive steps in this community toward burying old grievances and working together. Blessed are the peacemakers Chet. Thanks for your work in this regard.

I've followed Chris work for awhile and I have accepted that he is not going to be sharing his devices. He does share some practical foundational things that he believes contributed to his success. Unfortunately, life isn't that easy and what helped Chris doesn't necessarily help us. Best we just accept that it is what it is. If we want the secrets we have to do the work. Its just that simple.

For a practical look Chris has suggested a few experiments which he believes demonstrate important oddities. Mr. Preva and his non-Inductive experiments are two examples. I personally think Fighter's ZPM is a much better approach for those who really want to look for AU and have no interest in researching oddities. One might try to obtain a self resonant frequency where one coil has maximum impedance and the other is minimum impedance.


Hey Voltaicfractal,

Welcome to the community!

First I have to say, good research! You know what your'e talking about, have done the reading, and have a good foundation. Great to see!

If I may add a fact that is overlooked by many?

Fact: Others that have followed my work, many of them get Above-Unity Results after working on the technology and gaining the required understanding. The understanding is the Key!

If anyone can point me to anyone else that has this, reputation, this background, this record of successes, I would be happy to hear about others sharing as I am!

We need people experimenting and sharing their results, again, this is a team effort, no video I share will make any difference to the community, the only thing that can get the community to move forward is the record of Independent Replications! This is what inspires others and brings on more wanting to replicate, to see success.

It is only those hungry for the knowledge that will move forward, only these people that will put the time in to learn and become educated on such topics.

I used to post the image, quoting: "Give a man a fish he will eat for a day, teach  man to fish he will eat for a lifetime."

Chet is doing a good job getting the community involved and moving on this! I hope the community does not let Chet down! I have seen many lazy people, been harassed by many, unwilling to put the time and effort in to learn! I will not help those people! I will only help those willing to help themselves!

The Community, here, needs a leader, a motivator, I think Chet is the Man!

Voltaicfractal, do you have any work to Share with the Community?

I am not about to brag here, but the list does grow fast as you mentioned on my Forum! I do wish more would pick up the Ball!

Best wishes,
   Chris Sykes
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: EMJunkie on May 13, 2020, 05:42:52 AM


I really should go into this a little further...

When Voltaicfractal said:


He does share some practical foundational things that he believes contributed to his success. Unfortunately, life isn't that easy and what helped Chris doesn't necessarily help us.



This statement is really a very important statement! Every reader must ask why?

Answer: Frame of Mind!

You can either believe in yourself or not! For example, recently some experiments were done and once the correct understanding was gained, the experiment went from weeks of struggle and failing, to a success within less than 12 Hours!

When a success is gained, one must, one has to, credit the facts of the experiment itself - When one fails, then this failure is not a true representation of the experiment! Its only an indication of how well the guidelines of the experiment is understood by the individual!

The most simple basic facts: This is defined by the individual and opinion plays a role here! If one is to stick to the basic facts:

   1: What are the minimum components to make the experiment work?
   2: What is the minimum equipment required to make the experiment work?
   3: What is the likelihood of the average person being able to make the Experiment Work?


Then by these simple rules or guidelines, we can only hope the individual is able to grasp the complexities of the Experiment. Even the most basic Experiment can end up being the most complex to understand or grasp if the right frame of mind is not achieved!

Best wishes,
   Chris Sykes
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: Atti2 on May 13, 2020, 08:39:47 AM
"He does share some practical foundational things that he believes contributed to his success. Unfortunately, life isn't that easy and what helped Chris doesn't necessarily help us."



"This statement is really a very important statement! Every reader must ask why?

Answer: Frame of Mind! "

Recently, one member (Yoelmicro) drew attention to a phenomenon. Although I had already met him, I did not take this phenomenon seriously at the time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3p828czPofw&feature=emb_logo

 I fully agree with this statement:
  -the way we think
Because I may not have a completely satisfactory result, I just know what I am doing. What do I expect from him. What I want to achieve.
    I also agree that if I want to help others, I make it so that everyone understands.
  And if understood, there will come a series of reproductions. And from reproduction as a fact, new ideas can be born. Or they coincide with thoughts of other arrangements that we may have already seen but do not understand.
This will result in a machine that can be understood and used by everyone and that can satisfy a household with electricity.

This structure is already close to it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYukpeaC2Yc&feature=emb_logo
So make everyone think and make as many reproductions as possible and share the results with others.
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: EMJunkie on May 13, 2020, 08:54:00 AM


@Atti - You are wise My Friend!

Best wishes,
   Chris Sykes
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: cdsharp on May 13, 2020, 09:44:15 AM
Quote
He does share some practical foundational things that he believes contributed to his success. Unfortunately, life isn't that easy and what helped Chris doesn't necessarily help us.

Guys, I have a proposal for anyone that is honest and interested.
Please put this statement into your mind without any doubts: The device works on the exact principles Chris shared.

Now please go to the workbench and don't quit until you make it work! There are 2 choices to succeed: be smart and do it fast or be stubborn (like me) and do it by failing many times first. Either one works.
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: EMJunkie on May 13, 2020, 09:46:34 AM
Guys, I have a proposal for anyone that is honest and interested.
Please put this statement into your mind without any doubts: The device works on the exact principles Chris shared.

Now please go to the workbench and don't quit until you make it work! There are 2 choices to succeed: be smart and do it fast or be stubborn (like me) and do it by failing many times first. Either one works.




@CD - You also are very wise My Friend!

Thank You for your efforts and for Sharing!

Best wishes,
   Chris Sykes
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: ramset on May 13, 2020, 05:13:15 PM

(Edit Just a note ..I did respond in pm to wonderful contributions above!


Builders.. men and women !(yes we have women too ...if we’re nicer
To each other ...they might help too (just my opinion)


This is a builder section ... your section !


 Every builder who wishes ...can Have a moderated board here
 For clarity .”.that “ builder will be the only moderator on his board !
Example here (still under construction)https://overunity.com/18475/nelson-rocha-devices/msg545554/#new (https://overunity.com/18475/nelson-rocha-devices/msg545554/#new)

Hopefully a Smudge section soon (and others in the works



To me there is nothing more valuable to the community than an open source builder
 “The builders needs come first.”


Also I am the opposite of a micromanager


I believe men of like mind ...given the format (a positive format)
Can thrive.


I know there are dozens ( perhaps hundreds) of very good ..but confused builders
   open source builders ... trying to follow along !
 “And thousands more behind them” .


We have persons from every language ..nation .and .belief.
 it is not easy to teach .
  even harder to learn .


I would hope these builders boards steer clear of other topics .. politics ..nations ..beliefs ...even corona
Stuff (Enuff 24/7 365 places for that ...but very few open source venues like these ..That Focus on what we share in common... bringing free energy to the world and all the changes  that will bring ...autonomy and independence..etc etc


My job here is the same as it has always been... to carry water for the open source  builders
 And connect them with as many resources as possible to get the job done .


 Our “people “ resources would stupefy you , The depth in this community is astounding !


 We need to wake the rest of the resources up so that those who have the ability to experiment can be helped by those who do not .


That is what I’m working on for the open source builders... builders everywhere ..not just here!
And to grow an organization


And for “Absolute clarity” a 100% transparent organization where all funding and resources go to the open source builders!


I am most passionate about this (as I am certain you Builders are too...


With great respect and appreciation


Chet K
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: EMJunkie on May 14, 2020, 12:33:05 AM



Hi Chris,
what I suggest to all those who receive solicitations, from external entities and investors promising funds, never sign an NDA without having properly protected their interests; for that they should consult an exempt lawyer, so that they are not surprised in the future with restrictions that will only serve to limit their disclosure in the future.
I know perfectly well that this may not be easy to understand, but most large companies that are usually represented by smaller external entities, who often approach inventors, through social networks and forums, promising economic support and help, to development of  the ideas,  but sometimes or most of the times the things could run wrong .

I do not want to mention specific names of some of these companies, but as an example, a large world-renowned German company, usually acquires the rights of a certain idea, just so as not to interfere or have influence in the sale of its own products, and their operation model in market , saving for years later its disclosure according to its economic interests , sad but true .

But I also understand, that the supposed guarantee given by these companies, can convince many people, the non-disclosure in open-source of certain projects, because there are many "rats" everywhere trying to take advantage of the efforts of others.
This situation can be a double-edged steak, if I make myself understood.
But my opinion is based on very personal experience.
But that is my opinion.

One more time I wish you all the best
best rewards

Nelson Rocha

Nelson, my friend, we agree, I am glad, we have the same views here! I hope you now understand where I was comming from in my earlier post?


I wish we could some how, put this post at the top of the thread as a warning to all up coming inventors, even those now replicating our work, and those soon to have success, as a warning!


Don't get tied up in they legal side! Stay away from ALL legally binding agreements! Do it for you! For your Kids! For your Kids, Kids!

I have warned about this before:


Hi Everyone,

This is a short piece of information that I want to pass to you all as a heads up  :).

In the past I have been contacted by various people out there and asked to work for them. These people are typically small EXTREMELY WELL FUNDED groups of scientists, Finance, PR and general Dust Kickers. These people, I can only surmise, work for the big corporates, and keep people off the streets so to speak.

Their PR Guys ID devices or technology that may be 'of use' and make contact with the inventors and befriend them.

The Scientists identify the device's or Technology and access it - to see if 'Something needs to be done!'

Then they run circles around the Poor Dumb Inventor and wrap it up so tight that they don't know what to do in the mornings when they get up. Some turn to Booze/Drugs, like a well known identity most of you have no doubt seen a lot of publicity on lately.

So I urge you and all others following - Don't get tied up in this game they play. You can see it a mile away if you know what to look for. Most of them can be traced back to small Energy Companies that have no real Product or any visible form of income to support their Floor Space and Personal. They typically like to be seen in expensive Shoes/Suits. the top Guys are rarely seen, they tend to send their PR Guys that mostly don't know any better and its just a job to them.

For our children's sake, and our children's children sakes, let common sense talk and not money!

I am wishing Roman aka Akula0083, well in my thoughts as it appears from the outside that he may be tied up in this. The PR Guys troll all the forums, websites and any where they can find info...

All the Best

  Chris

P.S: I have never worked for any of these 'companies' only had offers.



STAY AWAY FROM THESE CROOKS! Don't get into legal agreements that give all the power to the funding party! Its a TRAP!

Nelson, I wish you well, and a prosperous future!

Best wishes,
   Chris Sykes



REMEMBER...


Best wishes,
   Chris Sykes
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: EMJunkie on May 23, 2020, 01:10:05 AM


I expect more from researchers here... Success comes from hard work, some hard core thinking and exploring what your Coils Can do, not what you think what they Should do. Expand your thinking...

Evolve...

Best wishes,
   Chris Sykes
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: ramset on May 23, 2020, 01:56:50 PM
To beg a favor
The community lost a wonderful asset recently member ION at Overunity research forum, he went by Vortex 1 here .Ernie was his name... he had a gift for making things simple ...he could turn a cardboard box into the best piece of test equipment money could buy ...a foolproof test protocol .He spent decades searching for FE and helping others search ...was a key founder of Overunity research ...and left this world never having seen a true Above unity event ..that ran autonomously or self looped with gain
 Chris Quote at Nelson Rocha topic


I am sorry My Friend, its not my experiment to share.

Only the Elite Builders on My Forum have access to this project. Many other experiments that also put Out more than In, COP > 1.0, are open source

end quote
Chris if you truly want to fill the pages at your forum with experimenters from this and other forums

no need to share anyones work .

put it in a box ....[a video of this would be wonderful] whatever your experimenter is doing to get 4 times the output over input ...use his starting input [10 watts or whatever]
but the whole device in a cardboard box of appropriate size and add a temperature probe.
run the device until it will no longer sustain temp against ambient losses [it will hit a ceiling where it will not raise temp over external losses to ambient ...note the temp it reached against losses
then take the device out ..and replace with appropriate sized resistor for input watts.
the most efficient use of electricity when making heat...100 percent efficiency when making heat ...a resistor
run the test again...if your experimenters device makes 4 times the heat with the same input....or makes any more heat at all...[after all an appropriate resistor making heat is the worlds most efficient electrical heater]
if your experimenter uses batteries...put them in the box too...PLEASE POST THE TEST RESULTS HERE ..4 times the heat of the worlds best heater [a common resistor ]put it on EEV blog ...smack them with it...a miracle IMO

Ernie ran R + D for a scientific thermal test equipment company [a big company] this test was a tool he relied on more than any exotic test equipment ...
He also data logged Bulbs for testing [calibrated] would scale a bulb thru all power levels with calibrated high end test equipment... so at a given temperature [with an infrared thermometer aimed at a dull black dot on the bulb [to eliminate false reflective artifacts] he could tell what power the bulb was actually seeing. [did it with good resistors too]

He took this info and made the average builder capable of doing world class measurements
no frequency to worry about no phase ...just work in work out...and no reason to share secrets ...do a black box demmo
and you will have experimenters lined up for miles....wake them UP !!
Worried about a fire...make a bigger box..[refrigerator or whatever box ]
input too small ...use a tiny box ..its the "heat ceiling" or the loss to ambient that needs to happen ...that Limit [ultimate temperature]is your calibration point over input...cardboard is lossy [a good thing in this case].. best results are side by side Boxes [from my experience] ..Device vrs resistor in real time [same ambient ].

Ernie's "Fixed loss to Ambient Protocol "
please ask your Group to do this test...the better we are at building on a gain ..the faster we can move forward.
for best results noting outside temp during  test is mandatory for others to compete.
it would be great fun too...IMO

 respectfully Chet Ps  ...there will be more formal explanation and presentations of Ernie's test methods for builders posted here and elsewhere for the benefit of all builders
the sharper the results and the more who can do quality testing the better the entire group will become.
a cardboard box  and a thermometer  ...worlds best test equipment for the dollar
sadly I had asked Ernie years back if there was a formula that could be entered for ambienttemp...so if one experimenter has a different ambient temp he could compare to another experimenters results  [Cardboard being the same [perhaps plastic film would be better to calibrate and more consistent product globally [thermal conductivity or loss

never finished that conversation with Ernie ..he did say it was possible to do this..//How ??
I will find someone who can give this value so as to make the PDF [fixed loss to ambient protocols"] more valuable to the community....
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: EMJunkie on May 23, 2020, 11:59:51 PM


I liked Ion, condolences to his family!

In the early days, Vortex and I passed a few PM's and Posts between each other. I considered him a friend. Damn! Why are we loosing the good ones, why not loose more of the bad ones!

Deepest respect, Earnie, rest in peace my old friend!

   Chris Sykes
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: EMJunkie on May 24, 2020, 12:10:10 AM
To beg a favor
The community lost a wonderful asset recently member ION at Overunity research forum, he went by Vortex 1 here .Ernie was his name... he had a gift for making things simple ...he could turn a cardboard box into the best piece of test equipment money could buy ...a foolproof test protocol .He spent decades searching for FE and helping others search ...was a key founder of Overunity research ...and left this world never having seen a true Above unity event ..that ran autonomously or self looped with gain
 Chris Quote at Nelson Rocha topic


I am sorry My Friend, its not my experiment to share.

Only the Elite Builders on My Forum have access to this project. Many other experiments that also put Out more than In, COP > 1.0, are open source

end quote
Chris if you truly want to fill the pages at your forum with experimenters from this and other forums

no need to share anyones work .

put it in a box ....[a video of this would be wonderful] whatever your experimenter is doing to get 4 times the output over input ...use his starting input [10 watts or whatever]
but the whole device in a cardboard box of appropriate size and add a temperature probe.
run the device until it will no longer sustain temp against ambient losses [it will hit a ceiling where it will not raise temp over external losses to ambient ...note the temp it reached against losses
then take the device out ..and replace with appropriate sized resistor for input watts.
the most efficient use of electricity when making heat...100 percent efficiency when making heat ...a resistor
run the test again...if your experimenters device makes 4 times the heat with the same input....or makes any more heat at all...[after all an appropriate resistor making heat is the worlds most efficient electrical heater]
if your experimenter uses batteries...put them in the box too...PLEASE POST THE TEST RESULTS HERE ..4 times the heat of the worlds best heater [a common resistor ]put it on EEV blog ...smack them with it...a miracle IMO

Ernie ran R + D for a scientific thermal test equipment company [a big company] this test was a tool he relied on more than any exotic test equipment ...
He also data logged Bulbs for testing [calibrated] would scale a bulb thru all power levels with calibrated high end test equipment... so at a given temperature [with an infrared thermometer aimed at a dull black dot on the bulb [to eliminate false reflective artifacts] he could tell what power the bulb was actually seeing. [did it with good resistors too]

He took this info and made the average builder capable of doing world class measurements
no frequency to worry about no phase ...just work in work out...and no reason to share secrets ...do a black box demmo
and you will have experimenters lined up for miles....wake them UP !!
Worried about a fire...make a bigger box..[refrigerator or whatever box ]
input too small ...use a tiny box ..its the "heat ceiling" or the loss to ambient that needs to happen ...that Limit [ultimate temperature]is your calibration point over input...cardboard is lossy [a good thing in this case].. best results are side by side Boxes [from my experience] ..Device vrs resistor in real time [same ambient ].

Ernie's "Fixed loss to Ambient Protocol "
please ask your Group to do this test...the better we are at building on a gain ..the faster we can move forward.
for best results noting outside temp during  test is mandatory for others to compete.
it would be great fun too...IMO

 respectfully Chet Ps  ...there will be more formal explanation and presentations of Ernie's test methods for builders posted here and elsewhere for the benefit of all builders
the sharper the results and the more who can do quality testing the better the entire group will become.
a cardboard box  and a thermometer  ...worlds best test equipment for the dollar
sadly I had asked Ernie years back if there was a formula that could be entered for ambienttemp...so if one experimenter has a different ambient temp he could compare to another experimenters results  [Cardboard being the same [perhaps plastic film would be better to calibrate and more consistent product globally [thermal conductivity or loss

never finished that conversation with Ernie ..he did say it was possible to do this..//How ??
I will find someone who can give this value so as to make the PDF [fixed loss to ambient protocols"] more valuable to the community....



Chet, respectfully - This method, the Heat measured in an Insulated Box, or the Calorimetric Test, is a flawed and improper test!

Most of our machines get colder, not hotter, this test is flawed and not a proper test to measure anything of value. Only with standard "Positive" Energy, this Test holds water. Sumdge has pointed some of this out in his Musings I have referenced lately.

Hot + Cold = Ambient... No Thermal Difference therefore and invalid test and not practical.

This is a very good example of how we must start thinking Outside the Box to make advances forward.

Post No# 1 contains more than enough information to get started:


My Friends,

I started Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy (https://overunity.com/15395/partnered-output-coils-free-energy/) back in January 2015. It was a success and Partnered Output Coils is now part of every serious Experiment today!

While some struggle, others report great success.

The biggest problem we had was, we could have done the release and Introduction with several hundred less pages on Stefan's Forum! Far too many trouble makers! Yes I could have handled myself a little better, but when one gets Attacked all the time, one tends to get a little defensive.

We Introduce: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group

Chet ( Ramset ) and I are the moderators. There will be opposition, there will be some that don't like being moderated, we will be fair, we will only moderate what we need to! We aim to keep the Trouble makers out and the Motivation High!

No one is twisting your Arm, you join in and participate if you want to! This is your Choice! If your not participating, then please refrain from posting. We want those that have experience posting and all here to help each other.

   1: Off Topic Posts will be deleted!
   2: Posts containing Harassment will be deleted!
   3: Slanderous Posts will be deleted!


I urge all interested parties, Gear Up, we are gonna break new ground! I will do the best I can to help others here! My Team must always come first however, but I am serious, I want every human being on the planet to have the opportunity to learn something amazing and simple!

   1: Input Coil - 10% Duty Cycle starting at about 3 Volts into 25 turns 1.2mm Wire.
   2: Secondary Coil - 70 - 200 Turns 0.8mm wire - Opposes the Primary, use the Right Hand Grip Rule.
   3: Tertiary Coil - 70 - 200 Turns 0.8mm wire - Opposes the Secondary Coil, Assists the Primary Coil, use the Right Hand Grip Rule.


Make sure you have nice clean switching on your Input Coil. You need a Voltage Source that you can turn up, this is important to see the effects.

I have coined a term: Delayed Conduction (http://www.aboveunity.com/thread/delayed-conduction-in-bucking-coils/), I have many hundreds of very detailed articles on my Forum: http://www.aboveunity.com, please use the pages there for reference! Please use: Builders Guide to Aboveunity Machines (http://www.aboveunity.com/thread/builders-guide-to-aboveunity-machines/) for extra help!

Remember: Greater than 90% of the time, your Input is Off, this means your Output should be Off, there is no way for your Output to be On is there - Well yes, this is where Science has no proper explanation for whats occurring! One of many gaping holes in Electromagnetics! Let me tell you something very important:

   1: The Change in Magnetic Field Creates a Voltage!
   2: The Opposition of Magnetic Fields Pumps Current!
   3: The term Magnetic Fields is Interchangeable with Current, as a Current is the same thing / Creates a Magnetic Field!


Your Coils must be Loaded at all times, or this will not work! It is advantageous to think: Action, Reaction and Counter-Reaction!

We have a Historical Record to support Asymmetrical Regauging, as long as one can get the Potential, Voltage sufficiently high enough: I = V / R, then your machines will produce: Above Unity Results!

Don Smith:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qqQarHd74s



The MEG Team:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=no50_5iSr2Y



Tinman:


Graham Gunderson:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQVhMu2FzSg



I have done a video series, to try to explain Partnered Output Coils, the effects, what to look for, how to solve problems and how to make the Coils Act and React together in an advantageous way!

   1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUemDvugl4I
   2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LtTerstCxU
   3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWlLiiIyUOw
   4: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5RoEnmDrR4
   5: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTr6dxD61uw
   6: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFIgo7pj9bY
   7: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKFo4dOW4UU
   8: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUaLp0E2L3s
   9: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gs_e_aU5loc
   10: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DdwNiaEuUrg
   11: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRduG2PNIgk



The Sawtooth Wave Form (http://www.aboveunity.com/thread/the-sawtooth-waveform/) is the defining Energy "Generation" Waveform! Please, always keep this in mind! Think in terms of Energy "Generation"!

You need to think in terms of Symmetry vs Asymmetry! A Symmetrical System can Never Go Above Unity! Your System needs to be Asymmetrical, this is a requirement to be able to "Generate" excess energy beyond the Unity Boundary! Its worth Bench-Marking your machine in Transformer mode, making sure you have around 80% Efficiency at least. Then anything above the 80% mark you can verify, has entered the System beyond the Benchmark value!

As I have shown for many years, Partnered Output Coils must oppose, must Buck each other, there is a specific Polarity to this and the polarity needs to be right. Then you need to focus on the "Generation" Phase, and maximise that phase, remember: I = V / R, Ohms Law. Keep in the back of your head, nearly all the Energy "Generation" Phase is done when your Input is OFF! Thus the short Duty Cycle.

NOTE: Your Machine Pumps Current for almost 100% of the Cycle, but your Input is only on around 10%, or less, so > 90% of the Cycle, you have Energy Output, Energy Output when your Input is OFF, this is significant!

If you only take one thing from what I have posted, please take the following sentence:

Its all just an Understanding, think Asymmetry, forget Symmetry. The Magic happens when you break Symmetry! Action, Reaction and Counter-Reaction!

I hope we get a good response from everyone! Good intentions bring forth Good Intentions, but also brings not so good Intentions, thus why we will Moderate. Please think twice before posting.

Please Remember: This is a Builders Group, if you are not building, then if you can make sure you only post useful, serious discussion, you think that would be helpful for others!

I would like to personally Invite Tinman to join us, that is if he wishes.

Best wishes, stay safe and well,
   Chris Sykes


Best wishes, stay safe and well,
   Chris Sykes

Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: ramset on May 24, 2020, 12:32:43 AM
Chris quote
Chet, respectfully - This method, the Heat measured in an Insulated Box, or the Calorimetric Test, is a flawed and improper test!

Most of our machines get colder, not hotter, this test is flawed and not a proper test to measure anything of value. Only with standard "Positive" Energy, this Test holds water.

Hot + Cold = Ambient... No Thermal Difference therefore and invalid test and not practical.

This is a very good example of how we must start thinking Outside the Box to make advances forward.

Post No# 1 contains more than enough information to get started:
end quote.




Chris No insulated box ...the idea is a loss mechanism to ambient,plain cardboard....for clarity ...its a 5 minute test not typical calorimetry .
//Your light bulbs run Colder ...or just the circuits ? I did not know this...I had thought 4 times the work was applicable to a working load with conventional electricity..

as you had mentioned to run an appliance in the home ...was easy for your builders to do ?
could they run a small electric heater ?
sorry for my confusion...
this is truly remarkable [and I am quite serious !!
thx for the reply
//
Chet
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: EMJunkie on May 24, 2020, 01:10:59 AM


Hi Chet,

The Light / Globe transforms Energy, Watt Seconds, Joules, into Heat.

The Machine may run Cold, Coils, getting colder.

Depending on how the test is conducted, then the DUT and Load will semi balance out, Hot + Cold = Ambient. Image below gives some idea of what I am trying to explain.

Measuring machines is an artform, one in which some Metrologist's have zero experience and therefore no real path forward. We must be careful, threads here (https://overunity.com/10564/measuring-input-power-accurately-and-with-no-oscilloscope/15/), on this forum, and on other forums, have been presented very badly and totally incorrect! Wrong methods have been given, for example using RMS is NOT the right method to use as has been indicated by many so called professionals here in the past!

RMS will always give you a positive Number, indicating ALL energy is used! This is not true! A Non-Linear Load, on the Input Side of your DUT, will send power back to the Source, RMS Measurements accounts for this as Used Energy and Not Returned Energy! An incorrect Measurement!

E.G: Bucket One is Half Full with Water. Bucket Two is Empty. You pick up Bucket One, tip it into Bucket Two and put it back Down again. Bucket Two, as soon as you put it down, tips its contents, now Full of Water, back into Bucket One. You only used Half a Bucket, this is used Energy Analogy, Bucket Two Returned a Full Bucket, this Energy is NOT used, RMS counts all Energy as Used. This is Wrong! Used Energy is -0.5, you gained half a Bucket of Water! If the Value is +0.5, you did not Use this Value! This is why RMS can not be used. The Negatives are Important! Can not be ignored!

So, many here have been given Wrong Information! Steering People wrong, many times, when the truth is, they may have had Above Unity Results!

It is time to Educate! This is stuff all researchers should know!

Of course, A Non-Linear Load, on the Input Side of your DUT, is the goal, and the average Metrologist would never know this! The Metrologist, steering others wrong either intentionally or non-intentionally depending on their backgrounds. Those that use RMS and advise the use of RMS are wrong! When you see RMS Meters on the Input, or Scope set to RMS on the Input, you must assume Incorrect Measurement! This is the wrong method!

Best wishes, stay safe and well,
   Chris Sykes
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: EMJunkie on May 25, 2020, 01:32:49 AM



Hi Chet,

The Light / Globe transforms Energy, Watt Seconds, Joules, into Heat.

The Machine may run Cold, Coils, getting colder.

Depending on how the test is conducted, then the DUT and Load will semi balance out, Hot + Cold = Ambient. Image below gives some idea of what I am trying to explain.

Measuring machines is an artform, one in which some Metrologist's have zero experience and therefore no real path forward. We must be careful, threads here (https://overunity.com/10564/measuring-input-power-accurately-and-with-no-oscilloscope/15/), on this forum, and on other forums, have been presented very badly and totally incorrect! Wrong methods have been given, for example using RMS is NOT the right method to use as has been indicated by many so called professionals here in the past!

RMS will always give you a positive Number, indicating ALL energy is used! This is not true! A Non-Linear Load, on the Input Side of your DUT, will send power back to the Source, RMS Measurements accounts for this as Used Energy and Not Returned Energy! An incorrect Measurement!

E.G: Bucket One is Half Full with Water. Bucket Two is Empty. You pick up Bucket One, tip it into Bucket Two and put it back Down again. Bucket Two, as soon as you put it down, tips its contents, now Full of Water, back into Bucket One. You only used Half a Bucket, this is used Energy Analogy, Bucket Two Returned a Full Bucket, this Energy is NOT used, RMS counts all Energy as Used. This is Wrong! Used Energy is -0.5, you gained half a Bucket of Water! If the Value is +0.5, you did not Use this Value! This is why RMS can not be used. The Negatives are Important! Can not be ignored!

So, many here have been given Wrong Information! Steering People wrong, many times, when the truth is, they may have had Above Unity Results!

It is time to Educate! This is stuff all researchers should know!

Of course, A Non-Linear Load, on the Input Side of your DUT, is the goal, and the average Metrologist would never know this! The Metrologist, steering others wrong either intentionally or non-intentionally depending on their backgrounds. Those that use RMS and advise the use of RMS are wrong! When you see RMS Meters on the Input, or Scope set to RMS on the Input, you must assume Incorrect Measurement! This is the wrong method!

Best wishes, stay safe and well,
   Chris Sykes



I was expecting quite some rebuttals from my last post, I hope others see the truth of it all and see that some here, have miss-guided others, possibly un-intentionally, or perhaps intentionally. I do not know for sure!

If you disagree with my post, then please explain why! Good healthy debate is always encouraged!

Best wishes, stay safe and well,
   Chris Sykes
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: Thaelin on May 25, 2020, 04:55:26 AM
  That piece of the statement made gives the essence of what a good board should be. If you disagree, that is fine. State why and show evidence as to why you see it that way. Attacks solve nothing. Character assassinations will never solve anything. I have seen all too much of it.
  I see so much promise here. Stephan has taken a great step in the right directions.
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: ramset on May 25, 2020, 12:18:07 PM
Chris I suppose I am honestly confused ,and not looking to debate ,just looking for simple methods to show advancements for persons who have no Oscilloscope or exotic equipment
and still want to try and experiment here .When you had written earlier that persons could run things in their homes [and were ?]
I felt a golden opportunity to measure output over input [work done] and give builders a much needed tool for measuring advancements on a budget.

honestly I am at a loss for words ,since I don't understand how a person cannot run a Load in a box [resistor ] with your Device [even feeding some of the power back into the resistor
provided it is all from the same source .

having a benchmark or control to compare to is an amazing resource for making  advancements and my sharing it was not meant to be nefarious or deceptive ..its effective ?

another person asked me how this "fixed loss to ambient " test protocol works
hopefully a video will be posted somewhere for clarity.
I always looked at it like a competition [for myself] being able to beat the worlds best heater ...100% efficient ...the common resistor [when making heat]
I have never seen it done ...

I am not understanding why this can't work for your device [since it runs things in the house already [will it run a heater or resistor ?
with gratitude
Chet // as a PS to Thaelin... yes a wonderful opportunity to grow the community! and giving a test method for the average builder to show advancements in real time was the spirit of my sharing.

 



Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: bistander on May 25, 2020, 03:47:24 PM
Quote
RMS Power is a nonsensical number.

That is the last sentence in this article.
https://meettechniek.info/measurement/theory-definitions.html

The second to last sentence.

Quote
The active power is always the average power.

And RMS Energy doesn't make since. But RMS measurements are appropriate for other variables when used properly.

Source and load also need to be properly defined.

Regards,
bi
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: partzman on May 25, 2020, 06:16:38 PM
Chris,

There needs to be clarification to the readers regarding the use of "average" measurements on the input of any device.  The misuse of average input measurements can lead to erroneous OU conclusions.

For example. I've attached a simulation which demonstrates my point.  Here we have an inductor charging a capacitor with a ramped voltage for input drive.  Two methods of taking average measurements are used.  The first is use of integrating or summing all the instantaneous products of input voltage and current with many samples over time and then averaging those samples.  In this case, V3 is simply a lossless current probe so I(V3) represents the input current and V(Vin) represents the input voltage.  The waveform math represented by red plot trace of V(Vin)*I(V3) = 167.79mJ is the average input of the instantaneous voltage and current products.

The second is by taking the product of the average measurements over time of voltage and current with a meter scope, etc.  Here we see again with the plot math windows that the average voltage of Vin = 84.983v and the average current of I(V3) = 343.96ma for an average input power Pin = Vin * I(V3) = 29.23 watts.  This represents an input energy Uin = 29.23 * 4.1e-3 = 119.84mJ.  This is considerably different than our first example.

Now lets look at the output energy produced in our circuit.  We see from the data windows in the schematic area that cursor #1 is indicating a peak voltage V(C1) of 172.77v across C1 and cursor #2 shows a peak current I(V3) of 672.4ma in L1 at the end of the 4.1ms time period.  The energy stored in C1 = (172.77^2)*8.15e-6/2 = 121.64mJ and the energy stored in L1 = (.6724^2)*.2/2 = 45.21mJ for a total stored output energy of 121.64mJ + 45.21mJ = 166.85mJ.

Comparing this output to the first method of average input power measurement yields a COP = 166.85/167.79 = .9943 .  Using the second method of average input power measurement yields a COP = 166.85/119.84 = 1.392 .  I fear this second method is what many OU researchers use when they determine their devices to be OU hence the reason for this lengthy discussion.

Regards,
Pm
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: EMJunkie on May 25, 2020, 10:03:55 PM
  That piece of the statement made gives the essence of what a good board should be. If you disagree, that is fine. State why and show evidence as to why you see it that way. Attacks solve nothing. Character assassinations will never solve anything. I have seen all too much of it.
  I see so much promise here. Stephan has taken a great step in the right directions.


Hi Thay, I agree, you are wise my friend!

Best wishes, stay safe and well,
   Chris Sykes
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: EMJunkie on May 25, 2020, 10:16:51 PM
Chris I suppose I am honestly confused ,and not looking to debate ,just looking for simple methods to show advancements for persons who have no Oscilloscope or exotic equipment
and still want to try and experiment here .When you had written earlier that persons could run things in their homes [and were ?]
I felt a golden opportunity to measure output over input [work done] and give builders a much needed tool for measuring advancements on a budget.

honestly I am at a loss for words ,since I don't understand how a person cannot run a Load in a box [resistor ] with your Device [even feeding some of the power back into the resistor
provided it is all from the same source .

having a benchmark or control to compare to is an amazing resource for making  advancements and my sharing it was not meant to be nefarious or deceptive ..its effective ?

another person asked me how this "fixed loss to ambient " test protocol works
hopefully a video will be posted somewhere for clarity.
I always looked at it like a competition [for myself] being able to beat the worlds best heater ...100% efficient ...the common resistor [when making heat]
I have never seen it done ...

I am not understanding why this can't work for your device [since it runs things in the house already [will it run a heater or resistor ?
with gratitude
Chet // as a PS to Thaelin... yes a wonderful opportunity to grow the community! and giving a test method for the average builder to show advancements in real time was the spirit of my sharing.


Chet, its Ok, I see you have changed, we used to cross paths and not be able to have adult debate about things. The world has changed, I think for the better, we still have a long way to go!

Patience My Friend!

My First machine was 1.0001 Measured, a number that is truly insignificant to many. But taking into account the Machine Losses, we still have at least %10 Gain. I shared this with Wistiti many years back, at the time his comments were less that impressed. The point, we must all start at the beginning! Start this race on the Start Line, don't aim for the finish line!

These times, we have to force changes, we are responsible for making this world BETTER, its not going to do it itself!

I will help others the best I can, but that's all my Plan allows me to do.

Be patient, you will see amazing results if others get in and help themselves.

Best wishes, stay safe and well,
   Chris Sykes
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: EMJunkie on May 25, 2020, 10:22:37 PM
That is the last sentence in this article.
https://meettechniek.info/measurement/theory-definitions.html

The second to last sentence.

And RMS Energy doesn't make since. But RMS measurements are appropriate for other variables when used properly.

Source and load also need to be properly defined.

Regards,
bi


Hi Bistander,

Very interesting and yes I agree. RMS is only good in purely AC or Sinusoidal Source Supply when there is no Non-Linear Load attached. Other than that, it is not right to use RMS!

Thanks for sharing!

Best wishes, stay safe and well,
   Chris Sykes
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: EMJunkie on May 25, 2020, 10:56:12 PM
Chris,

There needs to be clarification to the readers regarding the use of "average" measurements on the input of any device.  The misuse of average input measurements can lead to erroneous OU conclusions.

For example. I've attached a simulation which demonstrates my point.  Here we have an inductor charging a capacitor with a ramped voltage for input drive.  Two methods of taking average measurements are used.  The first is use of integrating or summing all the instantaneous products of input voltage and current with many samples over time and then averaging those samples.  In this case, V3 is simply a lossless current probe so I(V3) represents the input current and V(Vin) represents the input voltage.  The waveform math represented by red plot trace of V(Vin)*I(V3) = 167.79mJ is the average input of the instantaneous voltage and current products.

The second is by taking the product of the average measurements over time of voltage and current with a meter scope, etc.  Here we see again with the plot math windows that the average voltage of Vin = 84.983v and the average current of I(V3) = 343.96ma for an average input power Pin = Vin * I(V3) = 29.23 watts.  This represents an input energy Uin = 29.23 * 4.1e-3 = 119.84mJ.  This is considerably different than our first example.

Now lets look at the output energy produced in our circuit.  We see from the data windows in the schematic area that cursor #1 is indicating a peak voltage V(C1) of 172.77v across C1 and cursor #2 shows a peak current I(V3) of 672.4ma in L1 at the end of the 4.1ms time period.  The energy stored in C1 = (172.77^2)*8.15e-6/2 = 121.64mJ and the energy stored in L1 = (.6724^2)*.2/2 = 45.21mJ for a total stored output energy of 121.64mJ + 45.21mJ = 166.85mJ.

Comparing this output to the first method of average input power measurement yields a COP = 166.85/167.79 = .9943 .  Using the second method of average input power measurement yields a COP = 166.85/119.84 = 1.392 .  I fear this second method is what many OU researchers use when they determine their devices to be OU hence the reason for this lengthy discussion.

Regards,
Pm



Hey Partzman, welcome back!

You are wise! Thank You for sharing this information! I agree, we do need clarification and also there are catches, thus using the term: "Art Form". I am still studding your example, I will continue anyway;

Please forgive me Partzman, you have not defined the two methods of Averaging, or Mean, you used. Would you mind clearing up the difference and meaning of the different Averages? Also, your load, is it in any way Non-Linear?

In school we all learned the basic averaging like so: 9, 7, 5, 3, 1, 2, 4, 6, 8, 1 = 9 + 7 + 5 + 3 + 1 + 2 + 4 + 6 + 8 + 1 = 46 / 10 = 4.6‬ ( Note the extra 1 )

Another very straight forward example: 5, 5, 5, 5, 5 = 5 + 5 + 5 + 5 + 5 = 25 / 5 = 5 the Average or Mean is equivalent to 5.

As you point out, an Integration is done ( Addition ) then a Division of the number of Instantaneous Samples over Time for the Sum.

Of course, each Instantaneous Potential Value Recorded in the Scope Buffer, the Samples per Second Recorded over Time, is a crucial to these Mean or Average numbers on the scope. I would be very pleased for your insight as to what methods the Scope uses to modify this buffer to get different results.

It is great to see, your indirect confirmation of RMS being an incorrect method of Measurement of Machines that have the slightest portion of Non-Linearity.

As Smudge said, Synchronicity:

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   double Uf = 7.0;
   double F = Math.Pow(10, -6) * Uf;
   double Q = F * 550;
   double W = 0.5 * F * Math.Pow(550, 2);

   Q = 0.00385
   W = 1.05875
 

   A quick method:

‭       0.095 x 2.5 = 0.2375‬ Watts over 2.5 seconds or 0.2375 Joules Total Input.
‭       1.05875 Joules = 2.5 seconds, to get 550V in a 7Uf Cap = 1.05875 Joules Output.
 

   COP = 1.05875 / ‭0.2375‬ = ‭4.4579. If someone wants to correct me, please, I would be grateful to point out any mistake.




We are extremely careful in what we do, there are many checks and many catches in our work, I can assure you! Many of my Members having very advanced EE Skills as you do.

People are tired of being lied to, people want the truth, and to become an evolved species! We can not do that if we have so called experts holding us back all the time.

It is great to see your Post Partzman, I hope our exchanges can continue, to help show others where the wrong path lays!

Best wishes, stay safe and well,
   Chris Sykes
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: bistander on May 26, 2020, 12:18:52 AM
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Hi Bistander,

Very interesting and yes I agree. RMS is only good in purely AC or Sinusoidal Source Supply when there is no Non-Linear Load attached. Other than that, it is not right to use RMS!

Thanks for sharing!

Best wishes, stay safe and well,
   Chris Sykes

Hi Chris,

Can you please point to where I or the article indicates RMS is only good for purely AC or Sinusoidal Source Supply?

Regards,
bi
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Post by: EMJunkie on May 26, 2020, 12:20:52 AM
Hi Chris,

Can you please point to where I or the article indicates RMS is only good for purely AC or Sinusoidal Source Supply?

Regards,
bi


Hi Bistander,

That is a statement made by myself, in context with the topic. I did not imply that you had made the statement, or the article. Don't forget, the Non-Linear Load is very important in this topic and is key to this topic as I have indicated.

EDIT: Is your Source Supply is putting Out a Sinusoidal Waveform and the Load is Linear, then RMS is fine to use, the reason is, all Instantaneous Potential Value above the Zero Graticule Line and Below the Zero Graticule line are Calculated like so: RMS = √(P12 + P22 + Pn2 / n)

For your reference: https://www.electronics-tutorials.ws/accircuits/rms-voltage.html

The RMS Always gives a Positive Number, Incorrect measurement if Potential P is being sent back to the Source, RMS counting this as Used Potential when it is not!

Best wishes, stay safe and well,
   Chris Sykes
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: bistander on May 26, 2020, 12:56:29 AM
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Hi Bistander,

That is a statement made by myself, in context with the topic. I did not imply that you had made the statement, or the article. Don't forget, the Non-Linear Load is very important in this topic and is key to this topic as I have indicated.

Best wishes, stay safe and well,
   Chris Sykes

Hi Chris,

My understanding is that non-linear loads require instruments which are capable of 'True RMS' measurements.

Regards,
bi
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: EMJunkie on May 26, 2020, 01:03:38 AM


Hi Bistander,

No, see the edit to my above post, going through the Math, this will show you that RMS does not ever account for Power coming back to the Source, negative Power. Use the Bucket of Water scenario, and yes
the + and the - signs are very important and should not be neglected!

Resonant Power Systems need extra explaining here, as RMS can include previously calculated Phase difference, calculated before the RMS Calculation is done, so please do not take this post out of context.

Remember, every single Potential Value Recorded in the Scope Buffer has the very same + and - value attached to it.

Watch this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S51Jv8imskk


A perfect Sine Wave, the Mean value is Zero, this is important to note! Again, this shows why RMS still has an importance for Sinusoidal Waveform's that have a Linear Load.

Best wishes, stay safe and well,
   Chris Sykes
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: EMJunkie on May 26, 2020, 01:45:06 AM


Lets propose a single example, very simple.

   1: We have a Battery, Voltage is 3 Volts and its a 2Ah.
   2: We have a Measurement Block, and we can very clearly see the Waveform's.
   3: Our Load is Non-Linear, this is the Input to the DUT, not the Load on the DUT, different things!


We turn the Machine on. The Battery is only capable of delivering DC, Uni-Directional Voltage Potential and Uni-Directional Current - This fact must be realised, its important!

During operation, we see our Waveform's are not straight DC, not Uni-Directional, 0.5% of the Area of the Waveform is below the Zero Graticule Line. This indicates Negative Potentials being Recorded in the Scope Buffer. As we have learned, all Negative Numbers are turned into Positive Value at the end of the RMS Equation!

We must look at the Facts:

   1: Our Battery, the Source Supply, is not capable of delivering Bi-Directional Potentials, its DC!
   2: All Negative, Secondary Values, can not be coming from the Battery!
   3: These Potential Values being Recorded must be coming from the Load placed on the Battery!


So, the Load is Non-Linear, the Load is delivering Power back to the Source, back to Our Battery! Our Battery is being Charged for Part of the Cycle! This means we can not use RMS!

Again, RMS does not account for this Negative Power, telling you, this Negative Power was used Power, when it wasn't!

Best wishes, stay safe and well,
   Chris Sykes
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: partzman on May 26, 2020, 02:22:32 AM


Hey Partzman, welcome back!

You are wise! Thank You for sharing this information! I agree, we do need clarification and also there are catches, thus using the term: "Art Form". I am still studding your example, I will continue anyway;

Please forgive me Partzman, you have not defined the two methods of Averaging, or Mean, you used. Would you mind clearing up the difference and meaning of the different Averages?

We are solving for input power over a given time period in the example I gave, so we are at some point going to multiply voltage times current.  We will then convert the power to energy but let's just focus on the input power.  In my first example, the voltage and current is sampled at some frequency much higher than the waveforms of interest and each pair of these samples is multiplied together with the product is stored in a table.  At the end of the measurement period, these samples are added together and the total sum is divided by the number of samples to arrive at a true average of the input power.

In the second example, the same sampling method is used but only on one waveform so there is no product involved.  IOW, the current or voltage is sampled again at a frequency much higher than the frequency of interest and the magnitude of each sample is stored in a table.  The samples are then summed at the end of the measurement period and divided by the number of samples to arrive at the true average of that waveform.  However, if we now take the product of the individually averaged voltage and current, we will arrive at a different result as seen in the example.  The only time we can multiple the individual averages together and arrive at an accurate result is if the waveforms are linear.  For example, DC or ramped voltages and currents.  Any aberration in the waveform will cause errors to creep in.

These examples may at first seem the same but the difference is that the first takes the product of each current/voltage sample and then averages, while the second takes the average of the independent  current/voltage samples and then takes the product.

Scopes, simulators, and certain instruments like smart power analyzers, etc, use this sampling method as given in the first example.  Analog and most digital DMMs use various methods to achieve the second method of averaging the whole waveform.

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Also, your load, is it in any way Non-Linear?

No.  All the components used are linear.

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In school we all learned the basic averaging like so: 9, 7, 5, 3, 1, 2, 4, 6, 8, 1 = 9 + 7 + 5 + 3 + 1 + 2 + 4 + 6 + 8 + 1 = 46 / 10 = 4.6‬ ( Note the extra 1 )

Another very straight forward example: 5, 5, 5, 5, 5 = 5 + 5 + 5 + 5 + 5 = 25 / 5 = 5 the Average or Mean is equivalent to 5.

As you point out, an Integration is done ( Addition ) then a Division of the number of Instantaneous Samples over Time for the Sum.

Of course, each Instantaneous Potential Value Recorded in the Scope Buffer, the Samples per Second Recorded over Time, is a crucial to these Mean or Average numbers on the scope. I would be very pleased for your insight as to what methods the Scope uses to modify this buffer to get different results.

It is great to see, your indirect confirmation of RMS being an incorrect method of Measurement of Machines that have the slightest portion of Non-Linearity.

As Smudge said, Synchronicity:

We are extremely careful in what we do, there are many checks and many catches in our work, I can assure you! Many of my Members having very advanced EE Skills as you do.

People are tired of being lied to, people want the truth, and to become an evolved species! We can not do that if we have so called experts holding us back all the time.

It is great to see your Post Partzman, I hope our exchanges can continue, to help show others where the wrong path lays!

Best wishes, stay safe and well,
   Chris Sykes

Thanks Chris.

Regards,
Pm
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: EMJunkie on May 26, 2020, 02:38:52 AM
We are solving for input power over a given time period in the example I gave, so we are at some point going to multiply voltage times current.  We will then convert the power to energy but let's just focus on the input power.  In my first example, the voltage and current is sampled at some frequency much higher than the waveforms of interest and each pair of these samples is multiplied together with the product is stored in a table.  At the end of the measurement period, these samples are added together and the total sum is divided by the number of samples to arrive at a true average of the input power.

In the second example, the same sampling method is used but only on one waveform so there is no product involved.  IOW, the current or voltage is sampled again at a frequency much higher than the frequency of interest and the magnitude of each sample is stored in a table.  The samples are then summed at the end of the measurement period and divided by the number of samples to arrive at the true average of that waveform.  However, if we now take the product of the individually averaged voltage and current, we will arrive at a different result as seen in the example.  The only time we can multiple the individual averages together and arrive at an accurate result is if the waveforms are linear.  For example, DC or ramped voltages and currents.  Any aberration in the waveform will cause errors to creep in.

These examples may at first seem the same but the difference is that the first takes the product of each current/voltage sample and then averages, while the second takes the average of the independent  current/voltage samples and then takes the product.

Scopes, simulators, and certain instruments like smart power analyzers, etc, use this sampling method as given in the first example.  Analog and most digital DMMs use various methods to achieve the second method of averaging the whole waveform.

No.  All the components used are linear.

Thanks Chris.

Regards,
Pm



Thank You Partzman!

That cleared up the dilemma of definition. I agree, of course, there is clearly a problem if the meter used is providing incorrect Calculated Results! Definitely a catch and something to be aware of!

I urge all, put this information into your Measurement Protocols! Its important that you know the simple, effective methods, if you are searching for the Holly Grail, then not knowing what the Holly Grail looks like, what to look for, you could zip right over it without knowing it! The most simple experiment being a success, but marking as a failure, when you have had bad data in your Protocol list all along!

Best wishes, stay safe and well,
   Chris Sykes
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: bistander on May 26, 2020, 03:17:26 AM
Hi Chris,

See my post, reply #48, in this thread.

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RMS Power is a nonsensical number.

That is the last sentence in this article.
https://meettechniek.info/measurement/theory-definitions.html

Yet you use that nonsensical RMS Power calculation in your post and apparently think all RMS measurements lead to erroneous power and energy numbers. With 'True RMS' instruments, this is not the case. They in fact measure and display the RMS voltage and RMS current, but use proper algorithms to arrive at correct power and energy values. After all, RMS Energy makes no sense, however one can calculate it from RMS Voltage and RMS Current over the time interval

True RMS instruments can be used with non-linear loads. I thought the referenced article linked above did an excellent job explaining this. Below is another reference about non-linear loads and RMS. I realize it is written by a vendor (a well respected one, IMO).

https://www.fluke.com/en/learn/blog/electrical/true-measurements-of-non-linear-loads-require-a-true-rms-measurement-tool

Regards,
bi
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: EMJunkie on May 26, 2020, 03:28:11 AM


For those serious researchers, now you know:

   1: The Goal is a Non-Linear Load on your DUT's Input!
   2: Proper and Correct Measurement Protocols to make sure you have greater chances of success.


RMS, if your Output is Sinusoidal and your Output Load is Linear, a Resistive Load, is fine to use as has been explained! There is a time and a place for the Protocols to be put in place, I believe I have made this very clear in recent posts.

Now, all you need do, is follow the very simple rules I have laid out in the first post, the goal: Making your DUT Input as Non-Linear as you can!

What does this mean?

It means, make your Input Coil, return as much Energy as you can! Your Input Coil moves from Input to an Output, returning Energy back to the Source! Thus the Circuit I gave, the Reverse Diode across Q1 is indication Power returning back to the Source. See image below again:

Perhaps the reason My Members have had so much success is because we have put the right protocols in place to make steps ahead, in the right direction. This is important, to know where you are going!

Best wishes, stay safe and well,
   Chris Sykes
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: EMJunkie on May 26, 2020, 03:33:41 AM
Hi Chris,

See my post, reply #48, in this thread.


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RMS Power is a nonsensical number.



That is the last sentence in this article.
https://meettechniek.info/measurement/theory-definitions.html

Yet you use that nonsensical RMS Power calculation in your post and apparently think all RMS measurements lead to erroneous power and energy numbers. With 'True RMS' instruments, this is not the case. They in fact measure and display the RMS voltage and RMS current, but use proper algorithms to arrive at correct power and energy values. After all, RMS Energy makes no sense, however one can calculate it from RMS Voltage and RMS Current over the time interval

True RMS instruments can be used with non-linear loads. I thought the referenced article linked above did an excellent job explaining this. Below is another reference about non-linear loads and RMS. I realize it is written by a vendor (a well respected one, IMO).

https://www.fluke.com/en/learn/blog/electrical/true-measurements-of-non-linear-loads-require-a-true-rms-measurement-tool

Regards,
bi


@Partzman - Would you like to explain to Bistander?


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nonsensical - having no meaning; making no sense.



Bistander, If you want to re-read the posts, they are very clear and concise if you read properly! Your first article does not ever mention the word Linear or Non-Linear? Therefore the article is quite simply invalid!

I have nothing more to say!

Best wishes, stay safe and well,
   Chris Sykes
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: bistander on May 26, 2020, 05:12:25 AM
Title of second article.

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True measurements of non-linear loads require a true-rms measurement tool

I thought 'True RMS' was a more accurate RMS measurement which doesn't use hardware and software shortcuts employed in lesser expensive equipment intended for sinewave applications.

bi

ps. Graph attached is from first article. It shows the returned power and how it is integrated into the energy. True, for sinewave, but works for other waveforms also.
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Post by: EMJunkie on May 26, 2020, 05:19:17 AM
Title of that article.

I thought 'True RMS' was a more accurate RMS measurement which doesn't use hardware and software shortcuts employed in lesser expensive equipment intended for sinewave applications.

bi



Hi Bistander:

"Can the RMS value be negative? For example, the RMS for a DC signal is the DC value itself. If the DC signal is -ve, then will the RMS be equal to that -ve DC value?"

https://www.quora.com/Can-the-RMS-value-be-negative-For-example-the-RMS-for-a-DC-signal-is-the-DC-value-itself-If-the-DC-signal-is-ve-then-will-the-RMS-be-equal-to-that-ve-DC-value

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No. It can’t. That is part of the reason for using RMS voltage for AC.

Because the mean value (average numerical value) of an AC voltage is zero it cannot be used to compute power. Squaring a negative number produces a positive. Finding the square root of a positive number is no problem. The mean value of this can be used to compute power.

RMS voltage calculations are made on the basis of a complete (360 degree) cycle.

The periodicity of the AC does not enter into the computation.

The mean value of a steady negative voltage, is negative. If you follow the RMS voltage calculating procedure, finding the mean, squaring it and then its square root, you get back where you started, but always with a positive number.

It is always worth considering extreme the extrapolation of values and procedures when exploring ideas that ‘are out of the box’. This is such a case.


Again using the Circuit I gave, using a purely DC Source, Not an AC Source, then the situation, a DC Source with a Non-Linear Load, RMS or True RMS is not correct! You need to know Used power, thus the Negative Sign, un-obtainable in RMS is necessary to know. What if you get back 10 watts and only used 1 watt?

Either method, True RMS (https://www.egr.msu.edu/classes/ece480/capstone/fall12/group07/XuApplication.pdf) or standard RMS give only positive numbers. If you run the Math you will find this to be true.

   double VSum = -3.0;
   double VSqu = Math.Pow(VSum, 2);
   double answer = Math.Sqrt(VSqu);
   answer = ?


Try it out, no matter how Negative the Sum of V is, its always comes out Positive! This is not Used Power in our case!

Another Analogy:

You pour 1 Litre of Water down a pipe. As you finish, the Pipe gushes back out 2 Liters of Water. How much total water was used?

Answer: 1 + -2 = -1


Best wishes, stay safe and well,
   Chris Sykes
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: bistander on May 26, 2020, 06:28:56 AM
OK. I guess what I'm seeing is that RMS Voltage and RMS Current are still valid for non-linear loads, those values can not be used for power and energy calculation. Then say for a device efficiency one needs average power which is derived from the energy which is calculated using the instantaneous voltage and current integrated over the time interval. I think what got me is the use of true RMS instruments.

Thanks,
bi
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: EMJunkie on May 26, 2020, 07:51:51 AM
OK. I guess what I'm seeing is that RMS Voltage and RMS Current are still valid for non-linear loads, those values can not be used for power and energy calculation. Then say for a device efficiency one needs average power which is derived from the energy which is calculated using the instantaneous voltage and current integrated over the time interval. I think what got me is the use of true RMS instruments.

Thanks,
bi


Hi Bistander, in some conditions, you can use RMS, but you do need to be aware of exactly what I have pointed out.

In the second article you pointed to, they say the same thing, in between the lines:

Quote from: "true-rms measurement tool" link=https://www.fluke.com/en/learn/blog/electrical/true-measurements-of-non-linear-loads-require-a-true-rms-measurement-tool


If you’re measuring a linear load—such as standard induction motors, resistance heaters, or incandescent lights—you can easily capture accurate rms measurements with an average responding measurement tool. However, if a nonlinear load is on that circuit, you need to use a true-rms measurement tool to get an accurate rms reading, or your measurements may read up to 40 % low.




You must remember, they are specifically talking about: "which calculates the effective value (or heating value) of any ac wave shape. In electrical term", they are expecting energy returned to the Source, thus Alternating, so this must be accounted for. Under DC Conditions, we normally would Not Expect Energy returned back to the Source.

You must remember, using RMS, you will not get any indication of Power coming back! I mean, for example, if anyone can show me a TRMS Meter indicating Power Returned to the Source? E.G: 1 + -2 = -1?

Best wishes, stay safe and well,
   Chris Sykes
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
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Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: partzman on May 26, 2020, 05:59:14 PM
I think this has all been explained but here is a sim example that has a nonlinear input voltage which is also across a resistive load. 

We have a 100ma peak current sine source driving the nonlinear Coss or output capacitance of a mosfet with a 10k resistor in parallel.  The goal is to know what the power levels are for Pin and Pout across the load resistor.

Using the plot math which uses the averaging of the instantaneous products of the sampled voltages and currents, we see the input power I(I1)*V(VD1) = 320.6mw with an energy of 3.206uJ.  We also see using the same method that the power across R1 is V(VD1)*I(R1) = 312.26mw with an energy of 3.1226uJ.

Now we have an opportunity to compare the rms verses average power measurements for the nonlinear input and the load resistor.  First the resistor.  We see the voltage measurements across R1 as 55.88vrms and 41.523vavg respectively resulting in power levels of 55.88^2/10e3 = 312.26mw and 41.523^2/10e3 = 172.42mw respectively.  So even with a nonlinear voltage across a resistor, we must use the rms for an accurate power measurement while the average is inaccurate.  The ac rms power in a resistor will produce the same amount of heat as will the equivalent power in dc voltage and current.

We will now calculate the input power by using the rms values for voltage and current and multiply by the cosine of the phase angle between them.  To determine the phase angle, we will measure the time difference between the peaks of each waveform as the voltage is offset from zero.  So, the frequency of 200kHz has a period of 5us which results in 14ns for each degree.  We see the time difference between cursors 1&2 as 1.1575us for a phase lead of 1.1575e-6/14e-9 = 82.7 degrees.  Now using the rms values for input voltage and current we calculate the input power as 55.88*.0706*cos(82.7) = 501.3mw as compared to the true average power input of 320.6mw.  The only time we can use the rms to calculate the power of out-of-phase waveforms is if both waveforms are pure sinewave.  Any distortion will create errors.

We can also see that the using the average values for input voltage and current will result in an incorrect power input result.

Hopefully this will help with some of the confusion in power measurements.  I also hope that all my calcs are correct!

Regards,
Pm
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: Thaelin on May 26, 2020, 10:55:37 PM
  The way that this is going, I am wondering if any measurement that I make will be right? Baring of course having a gov lab to work in. I believe that there will be "no" perfect sine wave in which to measure. These devices live in harmonic hell the best I can see. Spectrum shows a real mess at times.


thay

Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: EMJunkie on May 27, 2020, 03:14:45 AM
I think this has all been explained but here is a sim example that has a nonlinear input voltage which is also across a resistive load. 

We have a 100ma peak current sine source driving the nonlinear Coss or output capacitance of a mosfet with a 10k resistor in parallel.  The goal is to know what the power levels are for Pin and Pout across the load resistor.

Using the plot math which uses the averaging of the instantaneous products of the sampled voltages and currents, we see the input power I(I1)*V(VD1) = 320.6mw with an energy of 3.206uJ.  We also see using the same method that the power across R1 is V(VD1)*I(R1) = 312.26mw with an energy of 3.1226uJ.

Now we have an opportunity to compare the rms verses average power measurements for the nonlinear input and the load resistor.  First the resistor.  We see the voltage measurements across R1 as 55.88vrms and 41.523vavg respectively resulting in power levels of 55.88^2/10e3 = 312.26mw and 41.523^2/10e3 = 172.42mw respectively.  So even with a nonlinear voltage across a resistor, we must use the rms for an accurate power measurement while the average is inaccurate.  The ac rms power in a resistor will produce the same amount of heat as will the equivalent power in dc voltage and current.

We will now calculate the input power by using the rms values for voltage and current and multiply by the cosine of the phase angle between them.  To determine the phase angle, we will measure the time difference between the peaks of each waveform as the voltage is offset from zero.  So, the frequency of 200kHz has a period of 5us which results in 14ns for each degree.  We see the time difference between cursors 1&2 as 1.1575us for a phase lead of 1.1575e-6/14e-9 = 82.7 degrees.  Now using the rms values for input voltage and current we calculate the input power as 55.88*.0706*cos(82.7) = 501.3mw as compared to the true average power input of 320.6mw.  The only time we can use the rms to calculate the power of out-of-phase waveforms is if both waveforms are pure sinewave.  Any distortion will create errors.

We can also see that the using the average values for input voltage and current will result in an incorrect power input result.

Hopefully this will help with some of the confusion in power measurements.  I also hope that all my calcs are correct!

Regards,
Pm



Thank You Partzman, another excellent example.


Another Example:

My Below example is not as good as yours Partzman, but does show the situation I am deep diving into. The Circuit attached below:

   1: We have an Alternating Current Source, capable of 7 Volts.
   2: The simple Circuit, includes a Bulb, 6V @60ma, having a resistance of: 100 Ohms, modified to become highly Non-Linear
   3: R1 is a Current Shunt, or Current Sensing Resistor CSR, 1.0 Ohms.


We take the facts:

   1: The AC Source is only capable of 7 Volts, no more it is limited to 7 Volts only.

We can see, Peak to Peak the value is 10 volts, more than our 7 Volts.

   2: We have Positive Voltage and Negative Current, and Negative Voltage and Positive Current.

We should all know what this means! Positive Voltage and Negative Current or Negative Voltage and Positive Current should not occur in any AC System but here we see it does! Non-Linear operation, the Non-Linear Load is sending Current Back to the Source at the wrong stage of the Cycle.

Now, for most here, this situation should Scream Alert! Figuring out whats going on here is extremely simple, but very few have studied this and understand the true situation occurring here.

@Thay - This example should clear up the problems.

Best wishes, stay safe and well,
   Chris Sykes
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: EMJunkie on May 27, 2020, 04:32:03 AM



I must ask, is it clear now, why we can not use RMS as an Input Measurement Method?

Best wishes, stay safe and well,
   Chris Sykes
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: bistander on May 27, 2020, 05:41:41 AM
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   2: We have Positive Voltage and Negative Current, and Negative Voltage and Positive Current.

Chris,

Doesn't this occur in all AC circuits when power factor is not unity?

And for your last example, isn't the 7 volt figure RMS?
Also isn't the peak to peak 20V?

Regards,
bi
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: EMJunkie on May 27, 2020, 06:02:37 AM
Chris,

Doesn't this occur in all AC circuits when power factor is not unity?

And for your last example, isn't the 7 volt figure RMS?
Also isn't the peak to peak 20V?

Regards,
bi



Hi Bistander,

My response is below, in between your quoted posts:


Doesn't this occur in all AC circuits when power factor is not unity?



No, observe the below wave forms, especially the resonance, Energy used and Energy returned, observe specifically the Energy Returned, Voltage and Current Polarity's are Opposite in Sign when Energy is returned to the Source.



And for your last example, isn't the 7 volt figure RMS?



No, please observe the AC Source ( V1 ) Specification, set and regulated to 7 V. EDIT: I may have misunderstood your question: 10 Volts Pk2Pk * 0.707 = 7.07 Volts RMS, if this is what you meant, then yes. Apologies if I did misunderstand you!



Also isn't the peak to peak 20V?



Where did you get 20 Volts Peak to Peak?

The Wave forms on the plot, the graph, reach peak 10 Volts Peak to Peak for the Red, Voltage Channel, and approximately 27 Volts peak to Peak for the Blue Channel, this is Current.

So no 20V pk anywhere there, not sure where you are reading this?

At all Readers, why is this not covered anywhere? Why has no one else covered this? How is it that I am covering this? How is it that I know all about this and no one else seems to? My example, given in post: #71 (https://overunity.com/18464/partnered-output-coils-builders-group-moderated/msg546056/#msg546056) is very clear and very concise, yet no one else has ever pointed this out, why?

Are you mad yet? Been lied to for so long! Told to use RMS, when I have just proven to everyone it is Flawed and Nonsensical in some situations! No wonder so many fail, there is no way to succeed if you have the wrong information! Measuring Power on the Input as all used Power when there is a very good chance you have had Power coming back, returned power to power your Input, but accounting this as used not returned... Have I just opened up a bag of Worms here?

Best wishes, stay safe and well,
   Chris Sykes
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: bistander on May 27, 2020, 06:19:50 PM
Interesting article on the subject:

https://www.dataforth.com/measuring-rms-values.aspx

Click on PDF at the bottom for nicer read.

bi
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: EMJunkie on May 28, 2020, 12:18:51 AM
Interesting article on the subject:

https://www.dataforth.com/measuring-rms-values.aspx

Click on PDF at the bottom for nicer read.

bi



Hi Bistander,

Two of your articles now point out errors in RMS Values. Both articles point to True RMS being the best and correct path to measure AC Waveform's with distortion, E.G: Non-Linear Load's, and as Partzman has pointed out in his example, generally this does work and True RMS is mostly ok to use.

However, in the example I gave, I show RMS still does have major errors when Negative Power is involved.

I urge everyone to do their own home work on this as Bistander is, as what I am saying should:

   1: Be verified and not accepted as fact without doing your own due diligence!
   2: As has been shown, in many cases T-RMS likely will be ok to use, but you need to know when it is not!


Some facts to keep in your tool kit:

   1: When ever Voltage and Current are opposite in Sign, one being Negative and the other being Positive, then Power is being returned to your Source, Battery Charging!
   2: Always check and double check everything, more checks in place the more you learn, then the more confident you can be!
   3: Never ever be afraid to challenge the Established Rule, in fact you should always challenge it, its our Job to find and observe where the holes are!


That Input Wire, the one you use to Power your DUT, Device Under Test, it should be examined and studied as if it has gold Coins in it! You need to understand what is occurring here more than anywhere else! This examination and study will guide you to Great Success!

In the below image, is there really 7.5Kw in this little circuit? @7 Volts that's a Current of approximately 1071.43 Amperes... Something wrong here isn't there...

Best wishes, stay safe and well,
   Chris Sykes
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: EMJunkie on May 28, 2020, 07:37:02 PM


In the below image, is there really 7.5Kw in this little circuit? @7 Volts that's a Current of approximately 1071.43 Amperes... Something wrong here isn't there...





I was hoping someone would pick up on this little dilemma.


Remember what Walt Rosenthal told us:

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One  frustrating  aspect  of the VTA has  been  its  failures, evidenced  by the output voltage slowly decaying to zero  over  a  few  seconds  or minutes.  There also has  been  spontaneous  instances  of the voltage rising above 120 VRMS as observed by  the increased  lamp load bank brightness.

The volt  meters,  ammeter,  and  power  meter did not correlate with  the  brightness  change  except when the machine would the fail to produce any power.



I wonder if others see why, see whats going on?

Best wishes, stay safe and well,
   Chris Sykes
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: EMJunkie on May 30, 2020, 02:04:12 AM



@Partzman, can you see any error I have made in my last example?

Best wishes, stay safe and well,
   Chris Sykes
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: partzman on May 30, 2020, 07:52:58 PM


@Partzman, can you see any error I have made in my last example?

Best wishes, stay safe and well,
   Chris Sykes

Chris,

Unfortunately, I'm not familiar enough with that simulator to give any kind of intelligent answer!  Sorry.

Regards,
Pm
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: EMJunkie on May 31, 2020, 01:33:15 AM
Chris,

Unfortunately, I'm not familiar enough with that simulator to give any kind of intelligent answer!  Sorry.

Regards,
Pm


The Experiment also works on the bench. When enough power is sent back from the Input Load, then the Power readings are incorrect if one uses RMS, true or not true RMS. RMS Can not handle Power coming back to the source.

Best wishes, stay safe and well,
   Chris Sykes
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: EMJunkie on June 03, 2020, 11:18:02 PM



The biggest surprise is the fact that no-one here will do the simple experiments! Any chance to learn something should be grasped, seen as an opportunity! Post NO#1 (https://overunity.com/18464/partnered-output-coils-builders-group-moderated/msg545088/#msg545088) is a gold nugget for all here! Others have come here and confirmed this, Members of My Forum, come and tell you that there is Value to these simple cheap experiments, yet there is still zero activity here, as if everyone here is frozen solid, zero activity! Hahaha one can only find amusement in the attitudes and approaches, for an Energy Research Forum, there is Zero Research going on!

Best wishes, stay safe and well,
   Chris Sykes
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: EMJunkie on June 04, 2020, 05:06:10 AM



It should be known, others are experimenting on what I have shared, ever since I was banned here, one such example: https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=3641.msg82322#msg82322

Exactly the same, even showing the same waveforms.

The secrets lay in plain sight, right here in-front of you. No one wants to admit it, and no one wants to share their work. Definitely no one wants to give credit to the original distributor of this information!

QUESTION: Why would Partzman experiment and share results over there, out of the sight of all here?

Quote from: partzman

This paper will explain a means that will defeat or reduce the Lenz effect to near zero in a common transformer with two windings.


Guidelines to Bucking Coils. Lenz’s Law Free Power Extraction. (http://www.hyiq.org/Downloads/Guidelines%20to%20Bucking%20Coils.pdf) Ring any bells?

Been doing this, since 2011... Introduced here, 2015, now, everyone is using this technology, without giving any credit whatsoever to those before them!

Best wishes, stay safe and well,
   Chris Sykes
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: partzman on June 04, 2020, 02:59:27 PM




It should be known, others are experimenting on what I have shared, ever since I was banned here, one such example: https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=3641.msg82322#msg82322

Exactly the same, even showing the same waveforms.

The secrets lay in plain sight, right here in-front of you. No one wants to admit it, and no one wants to share their work. Definitely no one wants to give credit to the original distributor of this information!

I'm sorry Chris, but I miss reading in your documents where you reveal reducing the Lenz effect in the secondary of a transformer by means of a constant current in said secondary!  Could you please point out where you state this?

Quote
QUESTION: Why would Partzman experiment and share results over there, out of the sight of all here?

First of all, I choose to share whenever and whatever I like to whomever!  I'm not in the need for anyone to tell me what to post!  Secondly, I was banned from this forum for no good reason therefore, I was unable to post here even if I wanted!

Quote
Guidelines to Bucking Coils. Lenz’s Law Free Power Extraction. (http://www.hyiq.org/Downloads/Guidelines%20to%20Bucking%20Coils.pdf) Ring any bells?

Been doing this, since 2011... Introduced here, 2015, now, everyone is using this technology, without giving any credit whatsoever to those before them!

As stated above, where is your prior art using a constant current load?  I'm also curious as to why you seem to think that you "own" bifilar coil arrangements?  You have explained some of the basics of their operation but really, I was using trifilar coil designs circa 1965 and beyond, etc.

Pm 

Quote
Best wishes, stay safe and well,
   Chris Sykes
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: EMJunkie on June 04, 2020, 03:22:37 PM

I'm sorry Chris, but I miss reading in your documents where you reveal reducing the Lenz effect in the secondary of a transformer by means of a constant current in said secondary!  Could you please point out where you state this?

First of all, I choose to share whenever and whatever I like to whomever!  I'm not in the need for anyone to tell me what to post!  Secondly, I was banned from this forum for no good reason therefore, I was unable to post here even if I wanted!

As stated above, where is your prior art using a constant current load?  I'm also curious as to why you seem to think that you "own" bifilar coil arrangements?  You have explained some of the basics of their operation but really, I was using trifilar coil designs circa 1965 and beyond, etc.

Pm


Hey Partzman,

I dont own this technology! We both know that, but as you stated:

Quote from: Partzman link=https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=3641.msg78730#msg78730


This POC demonstrates that a gain can be generated in a properly arranged parametric inductor powered by a constant current source.  I do have a theory as to how the gain is achieved but that is for later.

Regards,
Pm 




POC, aka Partnered Output Coils is one of the only paths forward! Also as you stated:


Quote from: Partzman link=https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=3641.msg78594#msg78594


If you build it, at least give me some credit.

Regards,
Pm





Doing the very same experiments, and also referring to your Coils with the same name I termed prior to 2015, prior to your open source experimentation, ever, is some what hypocritical when you expect credit don't you think!

You confirmed COP = 1.1 to COP = 4.70, so for this I am happy, but coming to my forum, reading my pages, having an account: "Prometheus", reading my posts here for the last 5 years or so, really, I see the word hypocrite first of all here and other words also. I really do not need to defend myself, I mean this is a Verification, it is another independent replication, it is what I want to see, but how you have gone about this is very self rewarding, for you only, isn't it!

Best wishes, stay safe and well,
   Chris Sykes
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: partzman on June 04, 2020, 08:26:21 PM
Hey Chris,

Well, I had a good laugh at your previous post! ::) ::)  Are you really serious here?  Did you read the context of my post at the link you gave-?

https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=3641.msg78730#msg78730

My use of 'POC' refers to 'Proof of Concept' which is a generally accepted abbreviated term AFAIK.  I'm certainly not referring to your use of 'POC" as 'Partnered Output Coils'.  I would simply use the term bifilar or whatever term would universally describe the topology.  Also, look at the schematic.  Do you or anybody else see any bifilar coil present?  The build topology was not revealed in that post because it is proprietary and I can guarantee you that it is far from being bifilar.

If you are so touchy concerning others using the term 'POC', then I would suggest you copyright and/or trademark the term but be sure you mark it as such.

If you really understood my constant current load arrangement, you would see it has nothing to do with 'partnered output coils'.  Even if it did incorporate bifilar, or trifilar, or even multifilar coils, what's it to you? 

Now, let's talk about your statement in your post and I quote-

"You confirmed COP = 1.1 to COP = 4.70, so for this I am happy, but coming to my forum, reading my pages, having an account: "Prometheus", reading my posts here for the last 5 years or so, really, I see the word hypocrite first of all here and other words also. I really do not need to defend myself, I mean this is a Verification, it is another independent replication, it is what I want to see, but how you have gone about this is very self rewarding, for you only, isn't it!"


This is an outright slanderous lie.  I have never registered on your forum under any name much less "Prometheus".  And then you have the gaul to call me a hypocrite based on your false assumption/accusation?    Please!!!!

Have I ever looked at your forum?  Yes I have on occasion but honestly it is for no more than a minute or two as I find nothing of real interest IMO.

Pm   

Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: EMJunkie on June 04, 2020, 10:22:42 PM
Hey Chris,

Well, I had a good laugh at your previous post! ::) ::)  Are you really serious here?  Did you read the context of my post at the link you gave-?

https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=3641.msg78730#msg78730

My use of 'POC' refers to 'Proof of Concept' which is a generally accepted abbreviated term AFAIK.  I'm certainly not referring to your use of 'POC" as 'Partnered Output Coils'.  I would simply use the term bifilar or whatever term would universally describe the topology.  Also, look at the schematic.  Do you or anybody else see any bifilar coil present?  The build topology was not revealed in that post because it is proprietary and I can guarantee you that it is far from being bifilar.

If you are so touchy concerning others using the term 'POC', then I would suggest you copyright and/or trademark the term but be sure you mark it as such.

If you really understood my constant current load arrangement, you would see it has nothing to do with 'partnered output coils'.  Even if it did incorporate bifilar, or trifilar, or even multifilar coils, what's it to you? 

Now, let's talk about your statement in your post and I quote-

"You confirmed COP = 1.1 to COP = 4.70, so for this I am happy, but coming to my forum, reading my pages, having an account: "Prometheus", reading my posts here for the last 5 years or so, really, I see the word hypocrite first of all here and other words also. I really do not need to defend myself, I mean this is a Verification, it is another independent replication, it is what I want to see, but how you have gone about this is very self rewarding, for you only, isn't it!"


This is an outright slanderous lie.  I have never registered on your forum under any name much less "Prometheus".  And then you have the gaul to call me a hypocrite based on your false assumption/accusation?    Please!!!!

Have I ever looked at your forum?  Yes I have on occasion but honestly it is for no more than a minute or two as I find nothing of real interest IMO.

Pm



Well, Partzman, I am glad you had a good laugh, but facts remain facts, Powder of Cinnamon, POC. Laugh laugh laugh, funny funny funny...

Magnetic Vectors remain the same, you still used Partnered Output Coils and you confirmed Above Unity Results using:

Quote

This paper will explain a means that will defeat or reduce the Lenz effect to near zero in a common transformer with two windings.



The same ideas and approaches in my paper: Guidelines to Bucking Coils. Lenz’s Law Free Power Extraction. (http://www.hyiq.org/Downloads/Guidelines%20to%20Bucking%20Coils.pdf)

Fact is, it works, it works many different ways. But, the basic concept, Two Output Coils, Partnered Output Coils. I don't care where you share it, I don't care if you want to claim it as your own, hey go for it, but fact is, you have verified and independently replicated the Configuration I have bought forward nearly 10 years ago.

It would be nice if the Human Race could work together, helping each other, making progress for the common good, not just for the one, not just for Self. I expect it these days though, the world is consumed by the things we were all warned about, you know: Greed, Lust, Selfishness, Gluttony and so on... The world is in a real mess!

I see you have had a real struggle with Smugde, attempting to show him a working machine, funny, I also have had the same trouble.

Partzman, My forum knows about this, have for a long time, we have monitored and shared with each other how your people have copied our work, again we don't care, even though some credit would have been nice, some acknowledgement for our prior contributions, but we care more about this technology getting out to the masses, we care more about the world waking up to the fact that there is a way a few Coils can be used to produce Energy in abundance, Free, Clean Energy, from Partnered Output Coils. If I don't get the credit, then so what, as long as the world gets this tech it deserves!

It is simple, and can be built for a few dollars, as you have shown, its easy, its truly an Understanding! An awake Race has potential, a brain washed race is doomed!

Best wishes, stay safe and well,
   Chris Sykes
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: EMJunkie on June 04, 2020, 10:46:03 PM


P.S: If the account: "Prometheus" is truly not yours then I am sorry for this assumption. I do have reason to believe this was you, as some work posted is identical to your work currently.

Best wishes, stay safe and well,
   Chris Sykes
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: partzman on June 05, 2020, 12:10:42 AM
Chris,

Let's see if we can straighten this out. 

First, what is there you don't understand about a transformer that has two windings that is, a primary and a secondary (this is my device) and not two "partnered output coils"?  Good grief man are you claiming that anybody who uses two coils in an electronic device that produces OU is somehow stealing ideas from you?  Even if my device or anyone's devices used output coils that you would term "partnered", how could you come to the conclusion that you had the "right" to claim that I/they were stealing from you?  You parrot all sorts of electromagnetic theories and you think you basically have some kind of exclusive right to use bifilar coils and no one else does?  Just so you know, I say these things respectively.

Again I ask, does any of your work define the use of a constant current in a secondary to defeat the Lenz effect?  If so, please give me a reference.  Otherwise stop posting that I've stolen, borrowed, or otherwise used your technology because it simply isn't true.

Regarding Smudge, I have the highest regard for the man and the only time I have any issue with him is when he corrects me on something and it is always warranted.  I truly value his knowledge and experience!

I have no idea who is on your forum and basically have no idea of what you and your membership have or have not accomplished.  What I would recommend is that you take whatever devices you have that produce OU or AU as you call it, and build a practical device that is useful in the real world.  This is what we really need.

If there is someone posting my work on your forum, rest assured it is not me!!!  This being the case, then I'm the one who should be complaining.  In fact, I'm going to search your forum for Prometheous and see just exactly what he is posting.

Pm

Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: EMJunkie on June 05, 2020, 01:14:32 AM



Partzman, I do not have the time to debate you, I am very busy.

From this day forward, I am going to leave it to readers to make their own mind up on the Three Coil Asymmetrical Transformer that is Above Unity.

Honestly, I do not care, I have very much more important things to worry about and discuss. It should be noted, I never used the words you inferred in your last post.

I also have the greatest respect for Smudge, as you have taken what I said out of context, you can read our discussions here (https://overunity.com/18493/cyril-smith-aka-smudge-builders-group/). He is missing some very important basic Theory to finish off his final Theory, I was only trying to help with it the best of my abilities. I do not dislike anyone in point of fact, so I urge anyone thinking otherwise to rethink their perspective.

Partzman, I had hoped we could work together, I swung some favors for you you may not be aware of, so I have gone into bat for you perhaps unbeknownst to you.

Now, I see, we are best to have our separate paths. You do your thing, I will do mine.

Best wishes, stay safe and well,
   Chris Sykes
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: partzman on June 05, 2020, 03:15:51 AM
Chris,

Sounds good to me!  However, the Prometheus thing needs to be resolved!

I looked at the 75 occurrences on your forum when searching for "Prometheus" and I really didn't see anything relating to my technology either old or new!  I did however find a little bit of info on him from the several posts below-

Prometheus posted this 25 December 2018
Well, I'm all alone for Christmas. My wife and kids traveled to Taiwan to visit family, but I had to stay and work, so I'm totally playing the bachelor right now... the dishes are piled high in the kitchen sink and I have no intention of washing them until the very last minute. 
With remembrances of 2018, a pretty good year, I look forward to 2019 and all that I'll learn during it.


Prometheus posted this 27 December 2018
I've done a lot of things in my life... running nuke plants on fast-attack subs; running a fuel oil/natural gas fired electrical generation station; destroying nerve agent, mustard gas and live munitions for the Department of the Army Inspector General; PC repair and network installation/troubleshooting; I wired a few houses for whole-house entertainment systems / video intercoms / network, etc.; programming (to include programming custom stock trading algorithms); and mechanical maintenance.
I like what I do now... it's just physically demanding enough to keep me in shape, doesn't require a lot of mental horsepower (which I'd prefer to use for research), is low-stress, pays pretty well, has great benefits and retirement package, etc.


I've never had any family in Taiwan and in my life I was a high school dropout that worked on hotrods.  Later, I self educated myself and owned several successful electronics manufacturing companies that manufactured amplifiers for the music industry, computer peripherals, and highly efficient electronic ballasts for fluorescent lighting and hold several patents in these areas including 3D molded circuit board technology.  I've worked on FE and OU devices for nearly 30 years.

I've never run a nuke plant, etc!

Oh and BTW, the guy on JLNs website that built and tested the successful OU MEG with MOVs, that's me.

Pm
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: EMJunkie on June 05, 2020, 03:48:34 AM


Oh and BTW, the guy on JLNs website that built and tested the successful OU MEG with MOVs, that's me.

Pm





... Whats this got to do with the price of cheese at the Markets? I don't get it, am I missing something, where does this come in?

I see on the JLN Website, a small link:  Good advices for the MEG builders : The MEG Notes by Jon Flickinger

Quote

--- In jlnlabs@y..., Jon Flickinger <jonfli@i...> wrote:
To All,

This information is to all those presently involved in or thinking about an attempted MEG replication. I'm expressing opinions that I've come to from the results I've obtained after spending many lab hours with many variations in topology and circuitry. In no way am I de-potentializing the MEG (pun intended) but simply trying to share what I've learned about the device for the good of
the whole!

IMHO, it is a waste of time to attempt power measurements of the MEG standard load resistors (that is, any linear resistive device) if one expects to see any excess energy. The output loads must be resistive (non-reactive) and nonlinear. The resistance must decrease with increasing voltage and the power must be calculated from the output voltage and current. Those of you powering
up your MEG for the first time with pure resistive loads, will find the waveforms do not match Bearden's nor JLN's! Only with nonlinear loads and a properly "tuned" MEG will you see the near half sine current waveform in your primary coils.

With nonlinear loads and a properly setup MEG, you will measure COP's >1 with the proper measurement tools and techniques. In general, the MEG seems to like voltage build up in the secondary windings before supplying current to the load!

If so, this would seem to align with Tom Bearden's public disclose of this device! The problem now lies in the utilization of this excess power to do some useful work. It would appear to me that the MEG can be run with lower secondary voltages and properly designed loads and still yield COP's >1. In fact, this should be a focal point for anyone doing this project.

Suggestions-

1) A common nonlinear load device to try would be various voltage rated MOV's or transient absorbers.
I used Panasonic ZNR10K621U's for COP's ranging from 1.75 to 5 depending on coil turns and supply voltage. Ask JLN how he "conditioned" his carbon load resistor as I don't know. ( JLN Answer, see at : http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/negres.htm )

2) Use a higher spec'd device for Vds than the BUZ11. With only a 50 v rating for Vds, this device avalanches on the primary turn off flyback phase and results in abnormal heating. Use a device with a Vds >200 volts and an Id >4 amps.

3) The power supply can also be a constant current source and will actually provide some measure of safety if disaster strikes in the switching circuitry!

4) I can't stress strongly enough the safety issues regarding the high output voltages one will encounter on the secondaries! USE CAUTION! Be sure your measurement devices connected to any portion of the secondaries are capable of withstanding the voltages you will encounter.

5) NEVER POWER UP A MEG WITHOUT LOADS CONNECTED AS THE OPEN CIRCUIT VOLTAGES
CAN BE LETHAL AND DESTRUCTIVE!


I can now understand why the MEG presents certain problems in achieving a self-running state and it may not be necessary as Tom Bearden has recently tried to point out!

If anyone should experience valid COP's >1 with standard linear loads, please speak out!

Regards,

Jon Flickinger
--- End forwarded message ---



I still don't get it, sorry, missed that one!


Didn't you work with Smudge and Graham Gunderson at Chava Energy also? Was it Chava back then? Or was it MPI?

Best wishes, stay safe and well,
   Chris Sykes
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: NickZ on June 05, 2020, 03:35:45 PM
   Chris:
   You have filled many pages on the forum with only complaints, and excuses. When if ever are YOU going to show something that actually work and produces OU, or at least self runs? You obviously have nothing to show or you wouldn't be wasting so much time and space here for nothing. Is that why you need some one else to come up with something that works? Because you can't.   You can remove this post if you like. It makes no difference to me. As this thread is nothing but a waste of time.
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: partzman on June 05, 2020, 04:40:27 PM



... Whats this got to do with the price of cheese at the Markets? I don't get it, am I missing something, where does this come in?

I see on the JLN Website, a small link:  Good advices for the MEG builders : The MEG Notes by Jon Flickinger


I still don't get it, sorry, missed that one!


Didn't you work with Smudge and Graham Gunderson at Chava Energy also? Was it Chava back then? Or was it MPI?

Best wishes, stay safe and well,
   Chris Sykes

Chris,

Well let's see, I thought you might be interested in letting your followers know that the "delayed conduction" you speak of on your forum has precedence?   An MOV load provides this exact type of delayed conduction on the secondary of a MEG like device.  There is also series resonance involved due to the capacitance of the MOV until the voltage level reaches the conduction level of the MOV.

I see no apology from you for falsely accusing me of registering on your forum as "Prometheus" and in return calling me a hypocrite, so this is my last response to you.

Pm
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: EMJunkie on June 05, 2020, 10:29:56 PM
Chris,

Well let's see, I thought you might be interested in letting your followers know that the "delayed conduction" you speak of on your forum has precedence?   An MOV load provides this exact type of delayed conduction on the secondary of a MEG like device.  There is also series resonance involved due to the capacitance of the MOV until the voltage level reaches the conduction level of the MOV.

I see no apology from you for falsely accusing me of registering on your forum as "Prometheus" and in return calling me a hypocrite, so this is my last response to you.

Pm



One has to ask at this point, after reading this message, specifically the in depth knowledge about "Delayed Conduction" that has been obtained, and especially after reading the prior post, specifically this:




Have I ever looked at your forum?  Yes I have on occasion but honestly it is for no more than a minute or two as I find nothing of real interest IMO.




I have said before, Question everything! There is always more to it than whats on the surface!



Experience give you a perspective that is unbounded, and this is certainly an experience! Jon has also avoided completely the question posed also, which is neither here nor there...



I see no apology from you for falsely accusing me of registering on your forum as "Prometheus" and in return calling me a hypocrite, so this is my last response to you.




I am sorry, what was this here?



P.S: If the account: "Prometheus" is truly not yours then I am sorry for this assumption. I do have reason to believe this was you, as some work posted is identical to your work currently.




Have we learned anything from these recent exchanges? I certainly have, a lot of things I did not know before.





Now, I see, we are best to have our separate paths. You do your thing, I will do mine.





Partzman, please refrain from posting on this and other threads that I have created, again.

Best wishes, stay safe and well,
   Chris Sykes
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: EMJunkie on June 05, 2020, 10:39:52 PM
   Chris:
   You have filled many pages on the forum with only complaints, and excuses. When if ever are YOU going to show something that actually work and produces OU, or at least self runs? You obviously have nothing to show or you wouldn't be wasting so much time and space here for nothing. Is that why you need some one else to come up with something that works? Because you can't.   You can remove this post if you like. It makes no difference to me. As this thread is nothing but a waste of time.



NickZ, The fact remains, perhaps I have presented more than one experiment that can be made to go Above Unity, and you have missed it. - Wouldn't that be a shame!

My Members all think very poorly of all here, do you want to know why? Because you are all Lazy and not Focused. Some comments are not worded so nicely!

Let me give you a leg up: Pot of Gold (https://overunity.com/18464/partnered-output-coils-builders-group-moderated/msg545088/#msg545088) - Now, look at what others say:



Many here laugh at, and mok EMJ, but the fact is , he is basically right in what he is trying to put forward.



Guys, I have a proposal for anyone that is honest and interested.
Please put this statement into your mind without any doubts: The device works on the exact principles Chris shared.

Now please go to the workbench and don't quit until you make it work! There are 2 choices to succeed: be smart and do it fast or be stubborn (like me) and do it by failing many times first. Either one works.


Perhaps a Demo is not what I plan to do, I wonder why this would be? Smart people I am sure can work this out!

Best wishes, stay safe and well,
   Chris Sykes
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: NickZ on June 06, 2020, 05:48:29 PM
   Then what is it that you ARE planning on actually doing here???
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: EMJunkie on June 06, 2020, 10:54:09 PM
   Then what is it that you ARE planning on actually doing here???



NickZ - Have you not worked that out already? It is elementary my dear Watson!

As a Experienced Researcher, what is your Deduction?

Best wishes, stay safe and well,
   Chris Sykes


P.S: What is it that you ARE planning on actually doing here?
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: EMJunkie on June 07, 2020, 02:36:28 AM
Hey Chris, your attitude is cr*p and everyone knows it.  You've cause a lot of fire and disruption on this forum.  You have nothing pal. 
@Smudge Continue on with your wonderful posts.  Don't acquiesce to the "negative" coming at you.  Please continue.  Thanks.


So Chris,

I would assume from your commentary on the Sweet device that you can demonstrate a replication that performs as he claimed?  If so, let's see it so we all can be convinced there was no conditioning involved!

Pm

Edit:  If you won't or can't show us a demo, then please refrain from telling us how the device worked!



Sour Grapes... I was thinking Smudge deserved more respect, rather than posting off topic attacks toward me, on his thread, a normality here!

Smart people, ones that can read, know already that others working on my work, do in point of fact have working Above Unity Machines, many people have come forward over the years, so this sort of challenge is merely a provocation, one that comes from Sour Grapes. It does not take a rocket scientist to see my successes come from the Deep Study of Floyd Sweets work, thus, a mind using common-sense would therefore say, Chris's work is in point of Fact based on Floyd Sweets work, Floyd Sweets early machines using the exact same technology, Chris, Me, I am sharing with you! But alas, some people are not that smart!

Floyd Sweet Did Not Condition his magnets, John Bedini even said so: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-S6WgN13UI

If Anyone can prove me wrong, then please do so! I would bet money on it, they can not, ever, prove it! The Magnetic Field was not moving as was described! There was no Conditioning, I have experiments to prove it!

I post this here, away from Smudges Thread, simply out of Respect for Smudge. Others clearly showing no respect, attempting to start fights on Smudges Thread. Failed!

Best wishes, stay safe and well in these dire times,
   Chris Sykes



P.S: I challenge partzman to prove me wrong! The burden of proof falls on the Claimant, claiming Magnet Conditioning requires Proof, and if no proof can be given, then this must be dismissed as fact! Pushing Fiction as Fact is in no way Scientific.

Why wont trouble follow me here? There is no Rocket Science to this, Stefan would love to hear about these trouble makers I am sure! Protecting his forum from trouble I am sure is high on his list!

Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: EMJunkie on June 07, 2020, 04:21:00 AM



It is so easy to pick Trolls!

They never make any real progress! Their intelligence, poor, the smoke and mirror effect! Always self entitled, with a real arrogance about them. Always wrong too! History will judge these people harshly. Judgement is coming!

Best wishes, stay safe and well in these dire times,
   Chris Sykes
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: EMJunkie on June 07, 2020, 05:28:45 AM



In time, there will be a real struggle to get the Information I am sharing, I mean, people that want to wake up, want to evolve, these people will want this information!

I like to document these things, so others can read, the problems faced, from other people, and the names of these people are recorded in the History books.

I mean it is important to document the People that:

   1: Helped and gave freely to others, known as Hero's of History!
   2: Hindered, Known as the Hitlers of History, not the side I want to be on!


I make an effort to document everything! I have very detailed User Profiles on most people here! Data collection, Public Data, I collect it, you would be amazed at what it gleams! When the day comes, and it is time for those that have not helped, when they need to be known by Authorities, they will be known!

I will have no hesitation of passing on the Information I have gathered on these people! The ones destroying this very important Energy Movement! The guilty ones, will be exposed! Socialism, for the greater good, but not when you destroy first to then rebuilt! That is Terrorism!

Good people will become hero's! This is not just self evident to me, but also to all My Members, who look down on many of you here as just that: Trouble Makers.

For all genuine people here, stick to basic, hard facts! The Facts wont steer you wrong!

Best wishes, stay safe and well,
   Chris Sykes

P.S: Look at the numbers:
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: EMJunkie on June 08, 2020, 12:54:52 AM




IMPORTANT:



Opposition to the Floyd Sweet's Magnet Conditioning narrative has been Moderated Out (https://overunity.com/18514/sweet-and-manelas-devices/msg546517/#msg546517) of the other thread, all my posts have been deleted Opposing Floyd Sweet's Magnet Conditioning.

There are threads on this forum, attempting to push Floyd Sweet Magnet Conditioning, with no Proof, Fiction results!

https://youtu.be/8tTQ727ZHIU

https://youtu.be/EcNEvRuH9EQ

https://youtu.be/4txDkzRwSkI

https://youtu.be/dIjkTZsE_mg


When we have a lot of proof to the Contrary, proving Floyd Sweets Magnet Conditioning is False, we must ask, for what reason, why, would others, continue a narrative that has more evidence against, than for!

I urge all readers, Stick to Solid Provable Fact, it wont steer you wrong, Fiction will steer you wrong every time. Stick to whats provable, that's where My Team and I have had all our successes! My Work is based entirely on Floyd Sweet, all my members know this and we can prove many points.

Don't let others steer you wrong, stick to Solid Facts!

Best wishes, stay safe and well in these dire times,
   Chris Sykes


REMEMBER: Floyd Sweets early work - Zero Magnet Conditioning! Magnets ONLY Biased the core, to get the core up close to, but not in Saturation:
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: EMJunkie on June 08, 2020, 11:52:04 PM




Did Tarriel Kapanadze Condition his Magnets? To get 5 KW from his Coils? Oh, No, That's right he has no Magnets! Logic My Friends, there is no Magic if you use Logic!

Think Logically in these dire times, don't go down Rabbit Holes! Use deduction to deduce where the Energy comes from! There is No Magic!

When there is ONLY The Coils, and the Power Flows, then what does this tell you?


Quote from: Ruslan Kulabuhov


All these systems operate on the basis of standing and traveling waves. It is necessary first to catch the motion of particles in the coil.





Don't let yourself be another statistic of the dumb club! Floyd Sweet told you straight:



Quote


If the directions of the two signals are such that opposite H-fields cancel and E-fields add, an apparently steady E-field will be created. The energy density of the fields remain as calculated above, but the value of the E-field will double from E / 2 to E.




Quote


FIELD SUPER-POSITION AND THE VACUUM TRIODE

Electromagnetic induction with no measurable magnetic field is not new. It is well known that in the space surrounding a properly wound toroidal coil there is no magnetic field. This is due to the superposition of the fields. However, when alternating current is surging through a transformer an electric field surrounds it. When we apply the principle of superposition to the vacuum triode it becomes more obvious how the device is in fact operating.

The principle of superposition states that; "In order to calculate the resultant intensity of superimposed fields, each field must be dealt with individually as though the other were not present". The resultant is obtained by vector addition of each field considered singularly.


Consider for a moment the construction of the triode which includes the bifilar coils...

When the current in one half of the conductors in the coils (i.e., one of the bifilar elements in each coil) of the device is moving up, both the current and the magnetic field follow the right-hand rule.

The resultant motional E-field would be vertical to both and inwardly directed.

At the same time the current in the other half of the conductors in the coils is moving down and both the current and magnetic field follow the right-hand rule.

The resulting motional E-field is again vertical to both and inwardly directed.


Thus, the resultant field intensity is double the intensity attributable to either one of the set of coil conductors taken singularly.

Expressed mathematically: E = (B x V ) + ( -B x -V ) = 2 ( B x V )




The term: "double the intensity" what exactly does this refer to? Yes that's right, a Standing Wave (http://www.aboveunity.com/content/uploads/b5d8d256-5657-4ec2-ac7c-a741014a20b4/9f10467b-621e-479d-95f1-abd4007f7a3f_standing-wave.jpg?width=690&upscale=false)! Very good!


Same Tech, see the clarity of Logic! Now why would you need "conditioned magnets" when, like hundreds of others have, Tariel Kapanadze, Ruslan, Akula, and many hundreds more get Kilowatts from their coils with no extra work! Honestly, Logic will not steer you wrong! Fiction will! At the very most, on a hot day perhaps Air Conditioning may help some? But seriously, don't be a statistic! Think Logically!

Dont believe me? Go read the documentation, from Floyd Sweet himself: Floyd Sweet Documents. (http://www.hyiq.org/Reference/Profile?Name=Floyd%20%27Sparky%27%20Sweet)

My Members are all, already well aware of these simple facts! I guess that's another reason why they are so far ahead!

Best wishes, stay safe and well in these dire times,
   Chris Sykes


P.S: If you do enough research, the Elementary Electric "Generator" operates on the very same Standing Wave principles.
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: EMJunkie on June 11, 2020, 10:37:30 PM
if the transformer is powered by a powerful source and looks like this.
tuning a smaller winding into resonance using a suitable capacitor does not increase the glow of the bulb.



I bet Tarriel Kapanadze would be very proud of your effort! You show your intelligence "kolbacict", and what side you are on, the wrong side! Idiots just can not be helped!

The images posted by: "kolbacict", are attached below. My Members will have a great laugh at your effort and approach, under the circumstances, e.g: Given the Circuits and Scope shops and not followed basic layout!

Best wishes, stay safe and well,
   Chris Sykes
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: Magluvin on June 12, 2020, 02:50:58 AM
"If the directions of the two signals are such that opposite H-fields cancel and E-fields add, an apparently steady E-field will be created. The energy density of the fields remain as calculated above, but the value of the E-field will double from E / 2 to E."

An apparently steady E field will be created.

So how do we do this?

Mags
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: EMJunkie on June 12, 2020, 04:00:42 AM
"If the directions of the two signals are such that opposite H-fields cancel and E-fields add, an apparently steady E-field will be created. The energy density of the fields remain as calculated above, but the value of the E-field will double from E / 2 to E."

An apparently steady E field will be created.

So how do we do this?

Mags


Mags, Newton told us, for every Action there is an Equal and Opposite Reaction - Right?

Floyd Sweet also said:

Quote


Electromagnetic induction with no measurable magnetic field is not new. It is well known that in the space surrounding a properly wound toroidal coil there is no magnetic field. This is due to the superposition of the fields.

However, when alternating current is surging through a transformer an electric field surrounds it. When we apply the principle of superposition to the vacuum triode it becomes more obvious how the device is in fact operating.




An Electric Field is formed when two Magnetic Fields Oppose, see the below graphic:

I said many years back, Newtons laws should be extended to: For every Action there is an equal and opposite Reaction and for every Reaction there is an equal and opposite Counter-Reaction.

Tinman got all excited and he agreed. Even quoting this later in his diagrams. Here (https://overunity.com/16030/tinmans-coil-shorting-circuit/msg461016/#msg461016).

You must think in units of Energy, and what that Energy is doing. M.M.F, is Energy, having a direct conversion to Joules. M.M.F also has a Magnitude and a Direction.

   1: Input - 1 unit in the Positive Direction.
   2: Output - 1 unit in the Negative Direction.
   3: Output - 1 unit in the Positive Direction.


So, the objective is, get 3 to oppose 2 and 2 will naturally oppose 1. This gives you a total M.M.F = 1 + -1 + 1 = 1.

Normally, you would see: M.M.F  = 1 + -1 = 0

So, to put it simply, you need a Third Force, an Asymmetrical Force, to add Energy to your System! The same as a Heat Pump, a Hydraulic Ram Pump and many other examples.

This energy can be Free, it can be the Counter-Reaction of your Reaction which Assists your Action!

Follow this post Here (https://overunity.com/18464/partnered-output-coils-builders-group-moderated/msg545088/#msg545088), and questions let me know.

A Magnetic Resonance can be found, when this is found, your Output will be maximum! By following these simple Rules and applying them as so, you will the Above unity results. Many have shown success using this method. Partzman is one Here (https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=3641.msg77111#msg77111).

Using the method I show, and have shown for nearly a decade, Reducing the Lenz's Effect in a Transformer! Almost to Zero and sometimes even Negative, power comes back on the Primary! Using an Asymmetrical Transformer, the one I have shown for nearly a decade now.

Best wishes, stay safe and well in these dire times,
   Chris Sykes
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: bistander on June 12, 2020, 06:07:06 AM
... M.M.F, is Energy, having a direct conversion to Joules. ...
   Chris Sykes

Hi EMJunkie,

So if I have an electromagnet energized with 750 AT (Ampere-Turns), how many Joules is that?

Thanks,
bi
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: EMJunkie on June 12, 2020, 07:46:25 AM
Hi EMJunkie,

So if I have an electromagnet energized with 750 AT (Ampere-Turns), how many Joules is that?

Thanks,
bi



Bistander,

I truly don't have time for your silly little games! If your'e not going to be serious, and do the homework yourself, then you can not be helped.

You choose what path you want to take, what you want to gain from the exchanges here. If necessary, if you keep acting like a juvenile, I will just put you on my ignore list and report you to Stefan!

M.M.F is directly convertible to AT Ampere Turns per meter: FMMF = NI AT/m or FMMF = 2 W / Φ, where W is the energy in joules, and Φ is the total flux going through part of a magnetic circuit.

1 Ampere is 1 Coulomb / 1 Second = Q / t

I am sure, if you are serious, you can do the rest, as Q is Charge, and 1 second gives the Energy.

I get tired of foolish people, the mouth is bigger than their Brain!

Best wishes,
   Chris Sykes
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: Smudge on June 12, 2020, 04:27:21 PM
Forgive me for butting in but I think I can shed some light on the confusion going on here.  Magneto Motive Force (your symbol FMMM) is not Ampere Turns per meter.  MMF is just Ampere Turns, always was, always will be.  For a solenoid Ampere Turns per meter (or MMF per meter) is a valid expression for the linear density of the MMF along the solenoid.  It so happens that for a long solenoid having just a thin layer of winding (like a single layer) the internal magnetic field intensity H at its center point has a value equal to the linear MMF density (Ampere Turns per meter).  Thus H = NI/L AT/m where L is the solenoid length.  The presence of the magnetic field H means that there is also the magnetic induction field B present, related to H by the permeability.  The magnetic field there has an energy density BH/2 Joules per cubic meter.  If we multiply that energy density by the volume of the solenoid we get the stored energy W in Joules.  That multiplication includes length L and area A, so we can allocate the area to B and the length to H to get W = (BA)(HL)/2BA is the flux Φ through the coil while HL is the total MMF or Ampere Turns supplied to the coil (your FMMM).  We then get for the magnetic energy W = ΦFMMM/2.  Thus your FMMM = 2 W/Φ is correct for a solenoid where W is the energy stored in its magnetic field and Φ is the total flux through the solenoid (not flux going through just part of a magnetic circuit.) 

Smudge 
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: bistander on June 12, 2020, 04:59:46 PM
Forgive me for butting in but I think I can shed some light on the confusion going on here.  Magneto Motive Force (your symbol FMMM) is not Ampere Turns per meter.  MMF is just Ampere Turns, always was, always will be.  For a solenoid Ampere Turns per meter (or MMF per meter) is a valid expression for the linear density of the MMF along the solenoid.  It so happens that for a long solenoid having just a thin layer of winding (like a single layer) the internal magnetic field intensity H at its center point has a value equal to the linear MMF density (Ampere Turns per meter).  Thus H = NI/L AT/m where L is the solenoid length.  The presence of the magnetic field H means that there is also the magnetic induction field B present, related to H by the permeability.  The magnetic field there has an energy density BH/2 Joules per cubic meter.  If we multiply that energy density by the volume of the solenoid we get the stored energy W in Joules.  That multiplication includes length L and area A, so we can allocate the area to B and the length to H to get W = (BA)(HL)/2BA is the flux Φ through the coil while HL is the total MMF or Ampere Turns supplied to the coil (your FMMM).  We then get for the magnetic energy W = ΦFMMM/2.  Thus your FMMM = 2 W/Φ is correct for a solenoid where W is the energy stored in its magnetic field and Φ is the total flux through the solenoid (not flux going through just part of a magnetic circuit.) 

Smudge

Thank you Smudge,
So I don't see how Magneto Motive Force (AT) is Energy (Joules). And EMJunkie must have a different definition of "direct conversion", which to me implies a simple factor (constant) like '25.4mm / inch', not involving another variable like flux.

Regards,
bi
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: lancaIV on June 12, 2020, 07:08:08 PM
bistander,but you can look fo another view :
J/T for Joule per Tesla
If you know the Tesla/Gauss/Oersted magnetomotive attraction( or repulsion) force from a permanent magnet and you unwrap this pm with a emf coil with winding turns you can experiment how many Ampere current turns
in relationship to the winding turns number you will need to a. neutralize b. amplify c. diminuate this permanent magnet force !
This is what the Flynn brothers,Dr.Pavel Imris  and Dr.med Keith Kenyon(R.I.P.)  over the last decades have shown and as information exposed !

Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: Smudge on June 12, 2020, 08:10:05 PM
bistander,but you can look fo another view :
J/T for Joule per Tesla
If you know the Tesla/Gauss/Oersted magnetomotive attraction( or repulsion) force from a permanent magnet and you unwrap this pm with a emf coil with winding turns you can experiment how many Ampere current turns
in relationship to the winding turns number you will need to a. neutralize b. amplify c. diminuate this permanent magnet force !
This is what the Flynn brothers,Dr.Pavel Imris  and Dr.med Keith Kenyon(R.I.P.)  over the last decades have shown and as information exposed !
For a cylindrical bar magnet you don't need to experiment.  If you know the remanant B (in Tesla) for the magnet material then you can get the magnetization M from M = B/munought.  The dimensions of M are amps per meter and that gives you the winding detail you need.  You wind N turns over the length L of the magnet and drive it with I amps such that NI/L = M.  That will double the magnet's field for one direction of current and null it to zero for the other direction.  Needs a lot of ampere turns to do this though.

Smudge
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: EMJunkie on June 12, 2020, 11:16:02 PM


Bistander: Did you even partially understand what Smudge wrote?


The magnetic field there has an energy density BH/2 Joules per cubic meter.  If we multiply that energy density by the volume of the solenoid we get the stored energy W in Joules.




http://info.ee.surrey.ac.uk/Workshop/advice/coils/terms.html


Girls, in case you thought you were on your high horse and here to try to look pretty:

M.M.F is directly convertible to Energy in Joules. lancaIV is right and correct, you are off on some weirdo anti Science Antifa movement!

As serious Energy Researchers, you should all know this basic Science!

Best wishes, stay safe and well in these dire times,
   Chris Sykes

@lancaIV - Thank You for your sensible, readable and short useful post!

P.S: I did miss the = sign: FMMF = NI = AT/m. 1 Oersted = 79.57747154594 ampere-turn/meter or Ampere per meter.

Quote

An ampere-turn per meter (AT/m) is another name, now obsolete, of the SI derived unit of magnetic field strength, which is also called magnetic field intensity or H-field. “Turn” in ampere-turn refers to the winding number of an electrical conductor comprising a solenoid or inductor.

Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: bistander on June 13, 2020, 12:21:58 AM

Bistander: Did you even partially understand what Smudge wrote?



http://info.ee.surrey.ac.uk/Workshop/advice/coils/terms.html


Girls, in case you thought you were on your high horse and here to try to look pretty:

M.M.F is directly convertible to Energy in Joules. lancaIV is right and correct, you are off on some weirdo anti Science Antifa movement!

As serious Energy Researchers, you should all know this basic Science!

Best wishes, stay safe and well in these dire times,
   Chris Sykes

@lancaIV - Thank You for your sensible, readable and short useful post!

P.S: I did miss the = sign: FMMF = NI = AT/m. 1 Oersted = 79.57747154594 ampere-turn/meter or Ampere per meter.

Hi EMJunkie,
You ask:
"Bistander: Did you even partially understand what Smudge wrote?"

Yes, I understand all of it. I don't think you do. But I don't insult you. I merely point out legitimate differences so readers can judge for themselves. I can learn, can you?

I see you were able to edit or change your post before I had a chance to quote it. I guess you can learn. Good for you.

Regards,
bi
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: EMJunkie on June 13, 2020, 12:40:34 AM
Hi EMJunkie,
You ask:
"Bistander: Did you even partially understand what Smudge wrote?"

Yes, I understand all of it. I don't think you do. But I don't insult you. I merely point out legitimate differences so readers can judge for themselves. I can learn, can you?

I see you were able to edit or change your post before I had a chance to quote it. I guess you can learn. Good for you.

Regards,
bi




A truly hypocritical post on your part Bistander!

Another way to look at this, I2R Losses, what are they, why do we look at this in an Inductor, whats applied across and Inductor before we can measure I2R Losses?

Floyd Sweet was very aware of the I2R Losses and his statements show his thinking:

Quote from: Floyd Sweet link="http://www.hyiq.org/Downloads/The%20Space-Flux%20Coupled%20Alternator.pdf"

Why the field of a magnet is not the property of the magnet: First the electromagnet – it takes power from a source to initiate and bring to steady state the field of the magnet. Once the field is stabilised and the exciting current is no longer changing, no further power is needed from the source. The only power required is that needed to support the I2R losses due to the ohmic resistance of the conductor comprising the coil of the magnet. This loss appears as heat.

Now we have a magnetic field, a potential source of energy in existence without support of the source of power to the coil. True, the moving charges through the copper conductor are accompanied by a magnetic field, also true this field requires no power from the source. As stated, the only power is that supporting the I2R losses. Then the field due to the moving charges is not a property of the current drawn from the source but a property of incoherent energy quanta in the surrounding space interacting coherently with fields produced by moving charges on the electrons in motion through the coil.



What is: I2R?

Very simple, Ohms Law: I2R = P or Power, Joules per second. Watt Seconds. Turns N having an Impedance, ΩjΩ. Simple, again proving my point! With Clarity!

Again, as serious Energy Researchers, you should all know this basic Science! Shouldn't you?

Best wishes, stay safe and well in these dire times,
   Chris Sykes
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: bistander on June 13, 2020, 01:50:10 AM



A truly hypocritical post on your part Bistander!

Another way to look at this, I2R Losses, what are they, why do we look at this in an Inductor, whats applied across and Inductor before we can measure I2R Losses?

Floyd Sweet was very aware of the I2R Losses and his statements show his thinking:


What is: I2R?

Very simple, Ohms Law: I2R = P or Power, Joules per second. Watt Seconds. Simple, again proving my point! With Clarity!

Best wishes, stay safe and well in these dire times,
   Chris Sykes

Hi EMJunkie,

Interesting. But I still take issue with your statement that MMF is energy.

Regards,
bi
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: bistander on June 13, 2020, 02:09:32 AM



A truly hypocritical post on your part Bistander!

Another way to look at this, I2R Losses, what are they, why do we look at this in an Inductor, whats applied across and Inductor before we can measure I2R Losses?

Floyd Sweet was very aware of the I2R Losses and his statements show his thinking:


What is: I2R?

Very simple, Ohms Law: I2R = P or Power, Joules per second. Watt Seconds. Turns N having an Impedance, ΩjΩ. Simple, again proving my point! With Clarity!

Again, as serious Energy Researchers, you should all know this basic Science! Shouldn't you?

Best wishes, stay safe and well in these dire times,
   Chris Sykes

Hi EMJunkie,
Again you edited, the bold highlighted sentence being added, my bolding.

Another thing: you say "I2R = P or Power, Joules per second. Watt Seconds."

This, to me, implies you think "Joules per second" is equivalent to "Watt Seconds". Clearly they are not.

I've found that folks who confuse units are most often those that lack comprehension of the fundamentals.

Regards,
bi
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: EMJunkie on June 13, 2020, 02:29:05 AM
Hi EMJunkie,
Again you edited, the bold highlighted sentence being added, my bolding.

Another thing: you say "I2R = P or Power, Joules per second. Watt Seconds."

This, to me, implies you think "Joules per second" is equivalent to "Watt Seconds". Clearly they are not.

I've found that folks who confuse units are most often those that lack comprehension of the fundamentals.

Regards,
bi



Bistander - Man alive, what are you on?

Quote from: Wikipedia link="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watt"


The watt (symbol: W) is a unit of power. In the International System of Units (SI) it is defined as a derived unit of 1 joule per second, and is used to quantify the rate of energy transfer.





Quote from: Wikipedia link="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joule"


The joule (symbol: J) is a derived unit of energy in the International System of Units. It is equal to the energy transferred to (or work done on) an object when a force of one newton acts on that object in the direction of the force's motion through a distance of one metre (1 newton metre or N⋅m). It is also the energy dissipated as heat when an electric current of one ampere passes through a resistance of one ohm for one second.




Beg your pardon? Sorry EMJ, is that what I hear?

Man alive, no wonder you guys are SO FAR BEHIND! My Great Grandchildren even know this and they aint even born yet!!!

Best wishes, stay safe and well in these dire times,
   Chris Sykes

Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: bistander on June 13, 2020, 03:09:41 AM


Bistander - Man alive, what are you on?




Beg your pardon? Sorry EMJ, is that what I hear?

Man alive, no wonder you guys are SO FAR BEHIND! My Great Grandchildren even know this and they aint even born yet!!!

Best wishes, stay safe and well in these dire times,
   Chris Sykes

Sorry EMJ,
But "Joules per second" is not equal to "Watt Seconds".

Regards,
bi
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: EMJunkie on June 13, 2020, 03:23:48 AM
Sorry EMJ,
But "Joules per second" is not equal to "Watt Seconds".

Regards,
bi




You are saying, unequivocally, One Watt Second is NOT equal to 1 Joule per Second? Is this what you are saying? Because that's exactly what I am reading from your post!  :o

If this is what you are saying, then please don't ever post on my Threads again!  ::)



Quote from: traditionaloven.com/tutorials link="https://www.traditionaloven.com/tutorials/"


The joules unit number 1.00 J converts to 1 W·sec, one watt second. It is the EQUAL energy value of 1 watt second but in the joules energy unit alternative.




Best wishes, stay safe and well in these dire times,
   Chris Sykes
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: bistander on June 13, 2020, 03:50:16 AM



You are saying, unequivocally, One Watt Second is NOT equal to 1 Joule per Second? Is this what you are saying? Because that's exactly what I am reading from your post!  :o

If this is what you are saying, then please don't ever post on my Threads again!  ::)




Best wishes, stay safe and well in these dire times,
   Chris Sykes

Hi EMJunkie,

Joule = Watt Second

and

Watt = Joule / second

but

Watt Second NOT = Joule / second

because

Joule NOT = Watt

Energy is not same as Power.

I'll leave it at that.
bi
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: EMJunkie on June 13, 2020, 04:01:51 AM
Hi EMJunkie,

Joule = Watt Second

and

Watt = Joule / second

but

Watt Second NOT = Joule / second

because

Joule NOT = Watt

Energy is not same as Power.

I'll leave it at that.
bi



Bistander,

Automatically when you specify "Watt" it is Watt Second!

That is why we have defined Watt Hour, Kilo Watt Hour, Mega Watt Hour and so on, because it is Seconds in an Hour: 60 seconds x 60 minutes = 3600 Seconds in 1 Hour, that's why if you say Watt Hour there is 3600 Joules in 1 Watt Hour: See below image!

You are a professional at making up Science as you go! Falsifying the Facts! Please do not ever post on my Threads again! I am tired of your juvenile behavior! I will delete further posts from you!

Best wishes, stay safe and well in these dire times,
   Chris Sykes

Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: EMJunkie on June 13, 2020, 06:26:37 AM


We use 1 Watt Hour over the course of 3 hours, whats the joules used?

https://youtu.be/RpbxIG5HTf4


Yes that's right:  3600 Joules per Hour x 3 Hours = ‭10,800‬ Joules total over the 3 Hour Period, but if we did not define any time ( t ) then this could be used over the course of 1 hour or a decade, which is Nonsensical and pointless to define as Energy used!

‭10,800‬ Joules total over the course of 1 Hour or over the Course of 10000 years is a totally different value! It is essential this be realised! It is non-refutable!

The SI Unit J/s (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joule-second) is defined by the International System of Units (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_System_of_Units) for a very good reason!

Quote from: Wikipedia link=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joule-second

The joule-second should not be confused with the physical process of joules per second (J/s). In physical processes, when the unit of time appears in the denominator of a ratio, the described process occurs at a rate. For example, in discussions about speed, an object like a car travels a known distance of kilometers spread over a known number of seconds, and the car’s rate of speed becomes kilometers per second (km/s). In physics, work per time describes a system’s power; defined by the unit watt (W), which is joule per second (J/s).



Again: One Watt Second = One Joule per Second - Non-refutable! Defining the Rate at which Energy is used.

Best wishes, stay safe and well in these dire times,
   Chris Sykes
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: gyulasun on June 13, 2020, 02:44:45 PM


...
What is: I2R?

Very simple, Ohms Law: I2R = P or Power, Joules per second. Watt Seconds.  ...

.....

Again: One Watt Second = One Joule per Second - Non-refutable! Defining the Rate at which Energy is used.
...

   

Hi Chris,

What I highlighted in red from your quoted text is not correct and repeating it over and over will not make it true.

The accepted formula in science  that connects energy and power is this:   energy = power x time.

The unit of energy is Joule (expressed also as Wattsecond or Watt x second), and the unit of power is Watt.

If you run a 60 watt rated incandescent lamp for 1 hour, then you convert 60 x 3600 = 216,000 Joule (216 kJ) electrical energy by this lamp.

If a DC generator provides 15 V and 20 A current for a load, then the energy it gives (say) each minute will be this (each minute here means 60 second long elapsed run times):
first the power = V x I = 15V x 20A = 300 Watt
and then the energy = power x time = 300W x 60s = 1800 Wattsecond i.e. 1800 J (or 1800 Ws) during each elapsed minute.


No offense intended but let me quote this from you : 


...
Again, as serious Energy Researchers, you should all know this basic Science! Shouldn't you?
...
 

Please understand the difference between power and energy.  And please do not write such post because it is easily mirrored back to you:

...
You are saying, unequivocally, One Watt Second is NOT equal to 1 Joule per Second? Is this what you are saying? Because that's exactly what I am reading from your post!  :o

If this is what you are saying, then please don't ever post on my Threads again!  ::)
...
 


Best wishes,
Gyula

Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: lancaIV on June 13, 2020, 02:50:58 PM
Hello gyula ; " The accepted formula in science  that connects energy and power is this:   energy = power x time. "  ::)   power = work /time ,not better ?




How much energy is used by a 60-Watt light bulb that has been left on for eight hours?Answer: The power of the light bulb is given, as well as a time interval. The time is 8 hours, or (8 hours)(60 minutes/hour)(60 seconds/minute) = 28800 s. The energy used can be found by rearranging the equation:

∆W = P∙∆t
∆W = (60 W)∙(28800 s)
∆W = 1728000 J
∆W = 1728 kJ
The energy expended by the 60-Watt light bulb in 8 hours was 1728000 J, or 1728 kJ.

https://www.softschools.com/formulas/physics/power_formula/56/#:~:text=Power%20is%20a%20rate%20at,second%20(J%2Fs). (https://www.softschools.com/formulas/physics/power_formula/56/#:~:text=Power%20is%20a%20rate%20at,second%20(J%2Fs).)


Power is a rate at which work is done, or energy is used. It is equal to the amount of work done divided by the time it takes to do the work. The unit of power is the Watt (W), which is equal to a Joule per second (J/s).
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: gyulasun on June 13, 2020, 03:04:20 PM
Hello gyula ; " The accepted formula in science  that connects energy and power is this:   energy = power x time. "  ::)  = work x time ,not better ?


https://www.softschools.com/formulas/physics/power_formula/56/#:~:text=Power%20is%20a%20rate%20at,second%20(J%2Fs). (https://www.softschools.com/formulas/physics/power_formula/56/#:~:text=Power%20is%20a%20rate%20at,second%20(J%2Fs).)


Power is a rate at which work is done, or energy is used. It is equal to the amount of work done divided by the time it takes to do the work. The unit of power is the Watt (W), which is equal to a Joule per second (J/s).
Hello Cristoph,
Basically we agree.  What remains is to interpret what is the difference if there is any between work and energy.   ;)   

Greetings 
Gyula
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: lancaIV on June 13, 2020, 03:25:33 PM

Physics : Force in german : Kraft


https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kraft (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kraft)


https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FKraft (https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FKraft)


Phys. Einheit/Unit : 1 Newton = 1 Kg x m/sv2







Physics : work in german language = Arbeit


https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arbeit_(Physik)#:~:text=von%20englisch%20work)%20ist%20in,eines%20Weges%20auf%20ihn%20einwirkt. (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arbeit_(Physik)#:~:text=von%20englisch%20work)%20ist%20in,eines%20Weges%20auf%20ihn%20einwirkt.)


https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FArbeit_%28Physik%29%23%3A~%3Atext%3Dvon%2520englisch%2520work%29%2520ist%2520in%2Ceines%2520Weges%2520auf%2520ihn%2520einwirkt. (https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FArbeit_%28Physik%29%23%3A~%3Atext%3Dvon%2520englisch%2520work%29%2520ist%2520in%2Ceines%2520Weges%2520auf%2520ihn%2520einwirkt.)


Phys. Einheit / Unit : 1 Joule = 1 Newtonmeter =1 Wattsekunde






Phys. Power in german : Leistung


https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leistung_(Physik) (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leistung_(Physik))


https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FLeistung_%28Physik%29 (https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FLeistung_%28Physik%29)


Phys. Einheit/Unit : 1 Watt = 1 kg·m²/s³




Die SI-Einheit (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internationales_Einheitensystem) für Arbeit ist identisch mit der für Energie: das Joule (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joule) Einheitenzeichen (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Einheitenzeichen) J). Aus dem Bezug der Arbeit zur Kraft (SI-Einheit Newton (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newton_(Einheit))) und Leistung (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leistung_(Physik)) (SI-Einheit Watt (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watt_(Einheit))) ergeben sich die SI-abgeleiteten Einheiten Newtonmeter (Nm)[1] (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arbeit_(Physik)#cite_note-1) und Wattsekunde (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wattsekunde) (Ws): Es gilt 1 J = 1 Nm = 1 Ws. Häufig werden zudem die Einheiten Wattstunde (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wattstunde)[ (Wh) beziehungsweise Kilowattstunde (kWh) verwendet.


The SI unit for work is identical to that for energy: the joule (unit symbol J). The SI-derived units Newtonmeter (Nm) [1] and Wattsecond (Ws) result from the relation of work to power (SI unit Newton) and power (SI unit watt): 1 J = 1 Nm = 1 applies Ws. The units watt hour (Wh) or kilowatt hour (kWh) are also frequently used.




Attention !


https://static.weg.net/medias/downloadcenter/ha0/h5f/WEG-motors-specification-of-electric-motors-50039409-brochure-english-web.pdf (https://static.weg.net/medias/downloadcenter/ha0/h5f/WEG-motors-specification-of-electric-motors-50039409-brochure-english-web.pdf)


page 7


1.2.2 Mechanical Energy & Power

        Power measures the "speed" with which energy is applied or consumed.

In the previous example, if the well is 24.5 m deep the work or energy (W) spent to lift the bucket from the bottom of the well up to the wellhead will always be the same: 20 N x 24.6 m = 490 Nm


 Note: the measuring unit for the mechanical energy, Nm, is the same that is used for torque - however the values are of different nature and therefore should not be confused.



W = F . d (N.m) OBS.: 1 Nm = 1 J = Power x time = Watts x second

Power expresses how quick the energy is applied, it is calculated by dividing the total energy or work by the time in which it is done




" The accepted formula in science  that connects energy and power is this:   energy = power x time. "  WORK =  1 Nm = 1 J = Power x time = Watts x second


                                        The Joule units definition in the SI-system for "energy" and for "work" ! Identical !(?)

https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FEnergie (https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FEnergie)  1 J (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joule)= 1 Ws (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wattsekunde)= 1 Nm (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newtonmeter)

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arbeit_(Physik)#:~:text=von%20englisch%20work)%20ist%20in,eines%20Weges%20auf%20ihn%20einwirkt. (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arbeit_(Physik)#:~:text=von%20englisch%20work)%20ist%20in,eines%20Weges%20auf%20ihn%20einwirkt.) J (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joule) = N (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newton_(Einheit))·m (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meter)= W (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watt_(Einheit))·s (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sekunde)






 "  What remains is to interpret what is the difference if there is any between work and energy.      "


By applying the SI-formulas there is  ;)  no difference !
Skepsis ,by physical application : tensor ,scalar and vector and phasor positive and negative !
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: Smudge on June 13, 2020, 06:21:16 PM
I have just looked through this thread from its inception back in April and I see there were questions asked of me early on.  When I originally joined OU.com some years ago I had a different email address then the one I use now so I never got notification of those questions.  Some were repeated when I started my new boards here but for completeness I will answer the ones I missed here.  I will also comment on remarks where my name is mentioned.

Reply 24
Quote
I know you worked with Mark Goldes, and Aesop Institute, I am not sure you were at Marks Employ when he Funded Floyd Sweet, but I would have thought you had access to the papers?
I did not join with Mark Goldes until after the new millenium started, so I didn't even know that he funded Sweet.  All the papers I have I got myself through internet searches.

Reply 29
Quote
The only medium that can penetrate the Insulated Copper Wire is the the Magnetic Field, the Conductor is Insulated, so what Smudge is talking about is right, and accurate, only the Copper Atom needs to be the focus specifically, not the Magnets.
That implies that I endorse the view that OU comes from releasing more electrons from the Copper Atom, and I do not, indeed I vehemently oppose that view.  That Sweet may have held that view also does not make it true.  Chris already knows my take on this and we agree to disagree so there is no reason to continue the debate.  Also I disagree with "The only medium that can penetrate the Insulated Copper Wire is the the Magnetic Field", the magnetic vector potential can also penetrate and IMO that is the important one.

I note the various disagreements that have occurred on matters like use of RMS for power measurements, the silly name of this thread "Partnered Output Coils", 1 Watt second = 1 Joule per second and so on.  My take on this is that trying to persuade someone they are wrong is rather like trying to persuade someone religious that they are worshiping the wrong God.  It doesn't get you anywhere.

Smudge
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: EMJunkie on June 13, 2020, 10:20:00 PM
   

Hi Chris,

What I highlighted in red from your quoted text is not correct and repeating it over and over will not make it true.

The accepted formula in science  that connects energy and power is this:   energy = power x time.

The unit of energy is Joule (expressed also as Wattsecond or Watt x second), and the unit of power is Watt.

If you run a 60 watt rated incandescent lamp for 1 hour, then you convert 60 x 3600 = 216,000 Joule (216 kJ) electrical energy by this lamp.

If a DC generator provides 15 V and 20 A current for a load, then the energy it gives (say) each minute will be this (each minute here means 60 second long elapsed run times):
first the power = V x I = 15V x 20A = 300 Watt
and then the energy = power x time = 300W x 60s = 1800 Wattsecond i.e. 1800 J (or 1800 Ws) during each elapsed minute.


No offense intended but let me quote this from you : 
 

Please understand the difference between power and energy.  And please do not write such post because it is easily mirrored back to you:
 


Best wishes,
Gyula




Try as you might Gyula, the standard does in point of fact disagree with you:

Quote from: Wikipedia link=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joule-second

The joule-second should not be confused with the physical process of joules per second (J/s). In physical processes, when the unit of time appears in the denominator of a ratio, the described process occurs at a rate. For example, in discussions about speed, an object like a car travels a known distance of kilometers spread over a known number of seconds, and the car’s rate of speed becomes kilometers per second (km/s). In physics, work per time describes a system’s power; defined by the unit watt (W), which is joule per second (J/s).




Sorry, but it is true and quoted from a respected source. Maybe you would like to go and correct the Science writers?

For the smart people out there, we are, and they ones disagreeing, are talking about different approaches and different things. That is, of course if anyone has noticed, no doubt why Smudge has not chimed in yet. The Topic Content, as I pointed out, is the measure of: Watt second has equivalence to Joules per second the rate. The Context was Power, converted into Energy! The attempt to take out of context and change the context is amazing under the circumstances, look at the next post:

Best wishes, stay safe and well in these dire times,
   Chris Sykes


P.S: I understand the difference between Power (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_power) and Energy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrical_energy) very well, thus the debate Gyula. What should be noted: we are not talking about any differences at all! We are talking about Watts expressed as Joules per second! But because you have read only one post, you would not have grasped the context. How I am looking for a: Sorry EMJunkie you were right, I was wrong! from you!
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: EMJunkie on June 13, 2020, 10:32:24 PM

"If the directions of the two signals are such that opposite H-fields cancel and E-fields add, an apparently steady E-field will be created. The energy density of the fields remain as calculated above, but the value of the E-field will double from E / 2 to E."

An apparently steady E field will be created.

So how do we do this?

Mags


Mags, Newton told us, for every Action there is an Equal and Opposite Reaction - Right?

Floyd Sweet also said:

Quote


Electromagnetic induction with no measurable magnetic field is not new. It is well known that in the space surrounding a properly wound toroidal coil there is no magnetic field. This is due to the superposition of the fields.

However, when alternating current is surging through a transformer an electric field surrounds it. When we apply the principle of superposition to the vacuum triode it becomes more obvious how the device is in fact operating.




An Electric Field is formed when two Magnetic Fields Oppose, see the below graphic:

I said many years back, Newtons laws should be extended to: For every Action there is an equal and opposite Reaction and for every Reaction there is an equal and opposite Counter-Reaction.

Tinman got all excited and he agreed. Even quoting this later in his diagrams. Here (https://overunity.com/16030/tinmans-coil-shorting-circuit/msg461016/#msg461016).

You must think in units of Energy, and what that Energy is doing. M.M.F, is Energy, having a direct conversion to Joules. M.M.F also has a Magnitude and a Direction.

   1: Input - 1 unit in the Positive Direction.
   2: Output - 1 unit in the Negative Direction.
   3: Output - 1 unit in the Positive Direction.


So, the objective is, get 3 to oppose 2 and 2 will naturally oppose 1. This gives you a total M.M.F = 1 + -1 + 1 = 1.

Normally, you would see: M.M.F  = 1 + -1 = 0

So, to put it simply, you need a Third Force, an Asymmetrical Force, to add Energy to your System! The same as a Heat Pump, a Hydraulic Ram Pump and many other examples.

This energy can be Free, it can be the Counter-Reaction of your Reaction which Assists your Action!

Follow this post Here (https://overunity.com/18464/partnered-output-coils-builders-group-moderated/msg545088/#msg545088), and questions let me know.

A Magnetic Resonance can be found, when this is found, your Output will be maximum! By following these simple Rules and applying them as so, you will the Above unity results. Many have shown success using this method. Partzman is one Here (https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=3641.msg77111#msg77111).

Using the method I show, and have shown for nearly a decade, Reducing the Lenz's Effect in a Transformer! Almost to Zero and sometimes even Negative, power comes back on the Primary! Using an Asymmetrical Transformer, the one I have shown for nearly a decade now.

Best wishes, stay safe and well in these dire times,
   Chris Sykes
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: EMJunkie on June 13, 2020, 10:51:22 PM
I have just looked through this thread from its inception back in April and I see there were questions asked of me early on.  When I originally joined OU.com some years ago I had a different email address then the one I use now so I never got notification of those questions.  Some were repeated when I started my new boards here but for completeness I will answer the ones I missed here.  I will also comment on remarks where my name is mentioned.

Reply 24I did not join with Mark Goldes until after the new millenium started, so I didn't even know that he funded Sweet.  All the papers I have I got myself through internet searches.

Reply 29That implies that I endorse the view that OU comes from releasing more electrons from the Copper Atom, and I do not, indeed I vehemently oppose that view.  That Sweet may have held that view also does not make it true.  Chris already knows my take on this and we agree to disagree so there is no reason to continue the debate.  Also I disagree with "The only medium that can penetrate the Insulated Copper Wire is the the Magnetic Field", the magnetic vector potential can also penetrate and IMO that is the important one.

I note the various disagreements that have occurred on matters like use of RMS for power measurements, the silly name of this thread "Partnered Output Coils", 1 Watt second = 1 Joule per second and so on.  My take on this is that trying to persuade someone they are wrong is rather like trying to persuade someone religious that they are worshiping the wrong God.  It doesn't get you anywhere.

Smudge



I like Smudge, he is a genuine, very smart human being!

I am not trying to persuade anyone, I am sharing what I have learned in a way that is timeless. Some are taking advantage and some are not. My Members have made massive progress. They are the ones taking advantage. I am very proud of them! They are so far ahead! Some having Below Unity Machines but most having Above Unity Machines, some Self Running.

I don't care if you disagree with me, in fact, you disagreeing with me is a good thing, sharpens my pencil!

I am trying to bring awareness to those that want to learn and make progress, because over the last 30 years, no one here has made any progress!

Best wishes, stay safe and well in these dire times,
   Chris Sykes
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: NickZ on June 13, 2020, 11:01:05 PM
  No one here has made any progress. Seems like you are one that has not SHOWN any progress.
Your group has made OU progress, but you have nothing to show? How odd..
 So when will you show us what you are talking about? After all these empty posts, with no OU, nor selfrunning, etz.
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: EMJunkie on June 13, 2020, 11:04:25 PM
  No one here has made progress. Seems like you are one that has not SHOWN any progress.
Your group has OU, but you don't?  How odd...



NickZ, ones mouth, when speaking for others, or about others, with nothing but hot air to support your words, is not wise! Are you wise?

Just maybe, maybe, you could learn something of value?

A smart Marksman does not paint a target on his back! My Members know to keep a low profile! They do!

Best wishes, stay safe and well in these dire times,
   Chris Sykes
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: NickZ on June 13, 2020, 11:21:42 PM
   It's not me that is making claims...You are the one that can't substantiate what you preach. How long will you keep this up?     You've lost everyone that is posting here, to your insults, and lack of proof.   Reminds me of someone called Rick....  Sorry to say.     If you have nothing to show, well, I can understand that. But, theories are only a theories, until they are proven.
   So, please show us how your partnered output coils (or whatever device) can actually do something. As this is dragging out for way too long. No need to tell me what to do or how to think. I am a grown man. And will need more than hot air to follow your suggestions. Suggestions telling others what they should do, but you won't. Why? Afraid that people will see you for what you are.
   WHO will moderate your continual threats and insults???  Maybe, just maybe, you'll learn something about courtesy. I hope.   You are welcome to remove this post. Thanks.   NickZ
 
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: EMJunkie on June 13, 2020, 11:43:10 PM
   It's not my big mouth making claims...You are the one that can't substantiate what you preach. How long will you keep this up?     You've lost everyone that is posting here, to your insults, and lack of proof.   Reminds me of someone called Rick....  Sorry to say.     If you have nothing to show, well, I can understand that. But, theories are only a theories, until they are proven.
   So, please show us how your partnered output coils (or whatever device) can actually do something. As this is dragging out for way too long. No need to tell me what to do or how to think. I am a grown man. And will need more that hot air to follow your suggestions. 
   WHO will moderate your continual threats and insults???   


NickZ, Here (https://overunity.com/18464/partnered-output-coils-builders-group-moderated/msg545088/#msg545088) you will find all the instructions, approximately 10 hours of material, lets see how well you do eh?

It is a free forum! No one, is twisting your arm to even read this thread! But, alas, I know your'e empty, tired of Joule Thief Circuits, looking for something a little more exciting and that shows a bit more prospect. You, NickZ, are a free person, to make decisions for your self, are you not? Don't tell me, you signed up to Satan? I certainly see a lot of angry in your edited post!

Now, whats true, is you will need a little more effort than your buddy "kolbacict" Images below:

Best wishes, stay safe and well in these dire times,
   Chris Sykes
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: NickZ on June 14, 2020, 12:20:44 AM
  I am not looking for more "instructions", I am looking for YOUR proof of concept. Let's see how well you provide for that. As it's your baby.  If you won't show us a working device, ok. I get it.
  But, after "nearly a decade", what can you show for it??? Will it do more than a joule thief? Will we have to wait for another decade? You are the one that posts like you're angry, I'm just disappointed, in this thread. 
   Stay safe...
   PS:  I did see what you wrote to Mags, so the question is why if you are so convinced of all this, are you not building what you mention. Why do you want or need others to do so? I really would "like to learn something". Other than just theories, flaming discussions, and personal insults to all.
    Mags, Smudge and others are very talented guys in their own right. Yet have never built a self running device. And with all their book learning and practical electronics education can only come up with what works for closed systems. Not for OU. Not for self running systems, as what this thread should be about. Perhaps someday they will all learn something from you, that is practical, useful, and that works. Until then, I will leave this thread, yes, I've had enough.
   Sorry, for asking for proof,  I see that is not going to happen. I guess that it was just too much to ask, so no further "effort" needed on your part, as has been the case up to now.
   Chao, 
            "Sweet Heart".   
                                NickZ
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: EMJunkie on June 14, 2020, 12:22:44 AM

NickZ, Here (https://overunity.com/18464/partnered-output-coils-builders-group-moderated/msg545088/#msg545088) you will find all the instructions, approximately 10 hours of material, lets see how well you do eh?

It is a free forum! No one, is twisting your arm to even read this thread! But, alas, I know your'e empty, tired of Joule Thief Circuits, looking for something a little more exciting and that shows a bit more prospect. You, NickZ, are a free person, to make decisions for your self, are you not? Don't tell me, you signed up to Satan? I certainly see a lot of angry in your edited post!

Now, whats true, is you will need a little more effort than your buddy "kolbacict" Images below:

Best wishes, stay safe and well in these dire times,
   Chris Sykes


  I am not looking for more "instructions", I am looking for YOUR proof of concept. Let's see how well you provide for that. As it's your baby.  If you won't show us a working device, ok. I get it.
  But, after "nearly a decade", what can you show for it??? Will it do more than a joule thief? Will we have to wait for another decade? You are the one that posts like you're angry, I'm just disappointed, in this thread. 
   Stay safe...



After a while, another edit was posted by NickZ:



  I am not looking for more "instructions", I am looking for YOUR proof of concept. Let's see how well you provide for that. As it's your baby.  If you won't show us a working device, ok. I get it.
  But, after "nearly a decade", what can you show for it??? Will it do more than a joule thief? Will we have to wait for another decade? You are the one that posts like you're angry, I'm just disappointed, in this thread. 
   Stay safe...
   PS:  I did see what you wrote to Mags, so the question is why if you are so convinced of all this, are you not building what you mention. Why do you want or need others to do so? I really would "like to learn something". Other than just theories, flaming discussions, and personal insults to all.
    Mags, Smudge and others are very talented guys in their own right. Yet have never built a self running device. And with all their book learning and practical electronics education can only come up with what works for closed systems. Not for OU. Not for self running systems, as what this thread should be about. Perhaps someday they will all learn something from you, that is practical, useful, and that works. Until then, I will leave this thread, yes, I've had enough.
   Sorry, for asking for proof,  I see that is not going to happen. I guess that it was just too much to ask, so no further "effort" needed on your part, as has been the case up to now.
   Chao, 
            "Sweet Heart".   
                                NickZ




Sweet Heart, little bit of effort please, eh?

Pay particular attention to my post to Mags (https://overunity.com/18464/partnered-output-coils-builders-group-moderated/msg546683/#msg546683), it is important!

Best wishes, stay safe and well in these dire times,
   Chris Sykes


P.S: You are obviously upset I am not holding your hand, spending hours of my time doing demo after demo for you, that you cant follow anyway! Spending all my free and not free time working hard to show you, and you only, because your'e more special than anyone else, just to convince you and you, alone, that the technology I am sharing works!  :o

Akula did, spent many hundreds of hours showing you all demo after demo! I have saved and reposted more than 120 hours of his video, and you know what, I have seen maybe three successful replications. You see, I said at the start, a Demo will not help you!

You have had more that a hundred years of demo's!

Will another Demo help you any more?

I gave you 11 Demos: Here (https://overunity.com/18464/partnered-output-coils-builders-group-moderated/msg545088/#msg545088), but if you have not yet noticed this, then I pitty you, for again, as I said and continue to say, a Demo will not, ever, help you! So your continued complaining is totally unwarranted!

There are far to many people that stand and complain! Never doing anything! Never achieving anything!

I will never show you, directly, Measurements, for this is not what I want to show, measurements are for the foolish to get busy with their Fizzy, and I want nothing to do with those people!

When hard working people, that do not spend all day complaining, do the work, they will see the measurements for themselves, called Independent Replication, something no one else here has ever achieved!

This is called an Achievement, something that must be earned by working for it!

I added Yoda just for you NickZ:
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: lancaIV on June 15, 2020, 03:24:20 PM
                                                             Energy,Work
                                                                 J= Nm
Angular momentum                                                                           Power   

 Js                                                                                                          J/s

By the SI-basic units we see the changes as      /s ( angular momentum)    /sv2( energy,work)   and /sv3( power)

Not force,not momentum, but : angular momentum (Spin, Euler !) Is compared  !
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: EMJunkie on June 16, 2020, 01:32:11 AM
"If the directions of the two signals are such that opposite H-fields cancel and E-fields add, an apparently steady E-field will be created. The energy density of the fields remain as calculated above, but the value of the E-field will double from E / 2 to E."

An apparently steady E field will be created.

So how do we do this?

Mags


Mags, Newton told us, for every Action there is an Equal and Opposite Reaction - Right?

Floyd Sweet also said:

Quote


Electromagnetic induction with no measurable magnetic field is not new. It is well known that in the space surrounding a properly wound toroidal coil there is no magnetic field. This is due to the superposition of the fields.

However, when alternating current is surging through a transformer an electric field surrounds it. When we apply the principle of superposition to the vacuum triode it becomes more obvious how the device is in fact operating.




An Electric Field is formed when two Magnetic Fields Oppose, see the below graphic:

I said many years back, Newtons laws should be extended to: For every Action there is an equal and opposite Reaction and for every Reaction there is an equal and opposite Counter-Reaction.

Tinman got all excited and he agreed. Even quoting this later in his diagrams. Here (https://overunity.com/16030/tinmans-coil-shorting-circuit/msg461016/#msg461016).

You must think in units of Energy, and what that Energy is doing. M.M.F, is Energy, having a direct conversion to Joules. M.M.F also has a Magnitude and a Direction.

   1: Input - 1 unit in the Positive Direction.
   2: Output - 1 unit in the Negative Direction.
   3: Output - 1 unit in the Positive Direction.


So, the objective is, get 3 to oppose 2 and 2 will naturally oppose 1. This gives you a total M.M.F = 1 + -1 + 1 = 1.

Normally, you would see: M.M.F  = 1 + -1 = 0

So, to put it simply, you need a Third Force, an Asymmetrical Force, to add Energy to your System! The same as a Heat Pump, a Hydraulic Ram Pump and many other examples.

This energy can be Free, it can be the Counter-Reaction of your Reaction which Assists your Action!

Follow this post Here (https://overunity.com/18464/partnered-output-coils-builders-group-moderated/msg545088/#msg545088), and questions let me know.

A Magnetic Resonance can be found, when this is found, your Output will be maximum! By following these simple Rules and applying them as so, you will the Above unity results. Many have shown success using this method. Partzman is one Here (https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=3641.msg77111#msg77111).

Using the method I show, and have shown for nearly a decade, Reducing the Lenz's Effect in a Transformer! Almost to Zero and sometimes even Negative, power comes back on the Primary! Using an Asymmetrical Transformer, the one I have shown for nearly a decade now.

Best wishes, stay safe and well in these dire times,
   Chris Sykes
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: lancaIV on June 16, 2020, 01:32:51 AM
Mr.Sykes,we learn all days new ,but we also forget or ignore often !
EE is complicated ! Applied algebraic geometria !

#139 : Magnetomotive Force and the description about and not to become confused between
                                 MMF and magnetic field (strength)

    Below ,to read : " MMF is energy "   ;) To be or not to be (-come right or wrong confused)


I am not perfect but the appliances for functionality demands perfection !

Sincerely
OCWL
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: EMJunkie on June 16, 2020, 02:25:45 AM
Mr.Sykes,we learn all days new ,but we also forget or ignore often !
EE is complicated ! Applied algebraic geometria !

#139 : Magnetomotive Force and the description about and not to become confused between
                                 MMF and magnetic field (strength)

    Below ,to read : " MMF is energy "   ;) To be or not to be (-come right or wrong confused)


I am not perfect but the appliances for functionality demands perfection !

Sincerely
OCWL


I am learning also, and sometimes I am not right. In this case, my posts were directly from Source material, learned and cross referenced. That's why Gyula is wrong and I am standing my Ground!

I am not wrong as he states!

Bistander was wrong and Gyula should be directing his comments toward Bistander, and not me!

Hi EMJunkie,
Again you edited, the bold highlighted sentence being added, my bolding.

Another thing: you say "I2R = P or Power, Joules per second. Watt Seconds."

This, to me, implies you think "Joules per second" is equivalent to "Watt Seconds". Clearly they are not.

I've found that folks who confuse units are most often those that lack comprehension of the fundamentals.

Regards,
bi


To be honest, I am not sure Gyula even understands the situation! Currently I would say we have caught him in a situation where he is well out of his depth!

Keeping your posts shorter and very much more readable, I appreciate your effort lancaIV. Thank You!

Best wishes, stay safe and well in these dire times,
   Chris Sykes
 
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: EMJunkie on June 16, 2020, 02:45:33 AM



View the reply at: https://overunity.com/18513/partzman-ou-builders-board/new/topicseen/#new

It was disappointing that Partzman asked Stefan to Delete this thread!

Best wishes, stay safe and well in these dire times,
   Chris Sykes
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: EMJunkie on June 16, 2020, 11:44:57 PM

now you need a small step only to tell you made a mistake 
in writing this: 1 Watt second = 1 Joule per second etc. 

Gyula






It is clear to me that Gyula does not understand the use of, or meaning of the = sign:


Quote from: www.mathsisfun.com link=https://www.mathsisfun.com/definitions/equal-sign.html


The symbol =

Shows that what is on the left of the sign is exactly the same amount or value as what is on the right of the sign.





Joules per Second = Joules per Second, quantified by the Value or Units of, the term being of equal value, or equal in Units, not necessarily defined by the value.

Guyla is acting like a Juvenile, and should be ashamed of himself for attempting to redefine quantities and Units to suit himself at will!

Units = Units or Watt Second = Joules per second. The units are Power expressed in Joules over Time or J/s or Joules!

1 Joule per Second = 1 Watt Second! Does it not? Gyula saying this is Wrong, as was Bistander!

Not J-s like Gyula tried to say, I never ever used J-s, it was never used by me, only by Gyula! As I pointed out to Gyula, J/s and J-s are different Units! J-s != J/s!



All above Units simplify down to one simple Unit: Joule or Energy!

Using Precisely One Watt:

   1: 1 Watt Second = 1 Joule of Energy
   2: 1 Joules per second = 1 Joule of Energy
   3: Therefore: 1 Watt Second = 1 Joules per second = 1 Joule of Energy



What Childish behaviour from what used to be a respected member of this forum, now making himself bottom rung individual because of his behaviour, Attacking Semantics of other Individuals!!!

Best wishes, stay safe and well in these dire times,
   Chris Sykes
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: gyulasun on June 17, 2020, 12:59:30 AM

Chris, you keep deleting posts here, why?  The truth hurts?

Gyula
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: EMJunkie on June 17, 2020, 01:02:24 AM
Chris, you keep deleting posts here, why?  The truth hurts?

Gyula


Moderating your childish behaviour Gyulasun! Your continued debate over Semantics is Petty and Juvenilistic!

Best wishes, stay safe and well in these dire times,
   Chris Sykes
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: gyulasun on June 17, 2020, 01:08:38 AM

So it not childish to delete facts ?   Here is what you deleted, everything I wrote is correct in it:

Quote from: EMJunkie on June 16, 2020, 11:44:57 PM (https://overunity.com/18464/partnered-output-coils-builders-group-moderated/msg546916/#msg546916)

It is clear to me that Gyula does not understand the use of, or meaning of the = sign:

Chris,

Don't you remember? You wrote it first here (https://overunity.com/18464/partnered-output-coils-builders-group-moderated/msg546727/#msg546727), and I only quoted what you wrote:

"Again: One Watt Second = One Joule per Second - Non-refutable!"     This is what Smudge also spotted and noticed.



The same is valid for Joule-second, J-s, you quoted it first, not me,  (https://overunity.com/18464/partnered-output-coils-builders-group-moderated/msg546763/#msg546763)

when you attempted to use the Wiki quote on J-s against me to prove my explanations on Joule (and not on Joule-second) was wrong.

Chris, what is wrong with you?   Why do you blame me for your mistakes?  This is not semantics. 

Gyula
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: EMJunkie on June 17, 2020, 01:14:09 AM
So it not childish to delete facts ?   Here is what you deleted, everything I wrote is correct in it:

Quote from: EMJunkie on June 16, 2020, 11:44:57 PM (https://overunity.com/18464/partnered-output-coils-builders-group-moderated/msg546916/#msg546916)

It is clear to me that Gyula does not understand the use of, or meaning of the = sign:

Chris,

Don't you remember? You wrote it first here (https://overunity.com/18464/partnered-output-coils-builders-group-moderated/msg546727/#msg546727), and I only quoted what you wrote:

"Again: One Watt Second = One Joule per Second - Non-refutable!"     This is what Smudge also spotted and noticed.



The same is valid for Joule-second, J-s, you quoted it first, not me,  (https://overunity.com/18464/partnered-output-coils-builders-group-moderated/msg546763/#msg546763)

when you attempted to use the Wiki quote on J-s against me to prove my explanations on Joule (and not on Joule-second) was wrong.

Chris, what is wrong with you?   Why do you blame me for your mistakes?  This is not semantics. 

Gyula



See!

You have not presented a single fact! Your opinion can not be considered Fact!

Best wishes, stay safe and well in these dire times,
   Chris Sykes
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: gyulasun on June 17, 2020, 01:17:34 AM


See!

You have not presented a single fact! Your opinion can not be considered Fact!

Best wishes, stay safe and well in these dire times,
   Chris Sykes

LOL  Deleting earlier posts makes you even more childish.
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: EMJunkie on June 17, 2020, 01:20:11 AM
LOL  Deleting earlier posts makes you even more childish.


See, even more Childish behaviour from you!

Go, create your own thread: Re-Defining Science and Facts, I promise, I wont bother you there!

Like your buddy Bistander, I will just delete your posts from now on!

Best wishes, stay safe and well in these dire times,
   Chris Sykes
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: EMJunkie on June 17, 2020, 11:34:20 PM

See, even more Childish behaviour from you!

Go, create your own thread: Re-Defining Science and Facts, I promise, I wont bother you there!

Like your buddy Bistander, I will just delete your posts from now on!

Best wishes, stay safe and well in these dire times,
   Chris Sykes



Gyula has started his Rants Here (https://overunity.com/17252/the-rant-room/msg546946/#msg546946) if anyone cares to observe the Childish Juvenilistic Behavior?

Spoilt school girls are always the hardest to deal with!

Best wishes, stay safe and well in these dire times,
   Chris Sykes
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: EMJunkie on June 18, 2020, 09:39:42 AM




For some, it is really hard, most have to work hard for it! For others, it is easy! No amount of tutoring will help some! No amount of Demo's help!

Some make a lot of noise and make zero progress!

Some work quietly and make progress in their Lab, happy to not share!

Some are here to make sure this does not get taken seriously! These people are the most lazy and the most noisy! Easy to spot! Here for the longest, made the least progress! Even changed their names on several occasions to try to hide their identity!

Facts are indisputable! Look for them! I show many, Referenced Material is Referenced for a very good reason!

Nearly Straight DC on the Output, how is that possible in a Transformer? NE1 Paying any attention? 12V @ approximately 400ma, 10% Duty Cycle on the Input.

NOTE: Output, Image below, measured on Globe side only (L2), L3 not measured, this has extra Energy, Red is Current, Yellow is Voltage,  Current = mV = mA. Can we cope with that little equation Gyula?

Wait for it, Troll Rush inbound! When there is too many Dummies in Town, there is always fights at the pub!

I shared this with My Members quite some time back, they used this to their advantage, lets see if you can too?

Best wishes, stay safe and well in these dire times,
   Chris Sykes


P.S: You will note the ? in the shot, indicating readings are not properly recorded. Bring Personal Attacks here on this, I will delete your posts, I am well aware of this! Done deliberately!

NE1 Learn anything today?

Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: ramset on June 18, 2020, 03:38:25 PM
Chris, This may not be a popular post here.. I know you "strongly suggest" your members do not share tutorials on how to achieve "aboveunity" results from your forum or anywhere public ? I see they all listen very well ...nobody posts tutorials here ,nor has anybody ever posted such a "tutorial PDF" here.[or anywhere on the net ,nor even a "Tutorial PDF" on an anomaly ...for peer review ...ever ..? [if I missed this please correct me .
for clarity I refer to a "tutorial or presentation" that actually performs as claimed  or similar  anomaly which is new to science for peer review ..with complete instructions on how it is done, schematics components wire size and type ,core specs etc etc ..for others to replicate and review .again if I missed this please correct me....I agree...a demonstration is a "complete waste of time".you tube has probably millions such "demonstrations".

a "Tutorial PDF" with an actual goal of getting somebody who desperately needs the technology access to this technology ? An entirely different story....never been done.

As for Myself if I had this technology I would not blink an eye to do this..
or be able to sleep with this knowledge and not be sharing it anyway and every way possible.Peoples lives do depend on this knowledge.
 I know of no person with a stand alone no batteries or obvious source of energy claim ... or who has a successful aboveunity self running "looped with gain" claim .

NONE [as of this writing] plenty trying but...unable to stand alone unattached to equipment or battery or obvious"known" power supply...always the error is eventually found ..[so far]

and here the rub...since you are the only person claiming above unity self running device here.

Chris
Quote, For some, it is really hard, most have to work hard for it! For others, it is easy! end quote Chris,  many/most have no choice...100 children with no choice starved to death yesterday in the Philippines, today too....tomorrow etc etc..will probably get worse and globally too..
since January worldwide 3,073,421 dead to starvation and counting..
 Link shared By member iron [ronee at other forums]
 https://www.globalresearch.ca/why-pandemic-like-social-engineering-experiment/5716199 (https://www.globalresearch.ca/why-pandemic-like-social-engineering-experiment/5716199)
Snip from link
The ‘official’ numbers of COVID-19 deaths worldwide, according to the website Worldometers.info (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-death-toll/), as of May 4th, is 251,421. I will not contest this figure for the moment, but later on will give evidence that this number is inflated. But let’s use this number for now.
Let’s compare it to the number of deaths worldwide from starvation since January 1st, according to the website theworldcounts.com: 3,073,421. Even as I type in this number it has already changed, as it does continuously every two seconds or so. My question is, if our world leaders are so concerned about human mortality, should they not be devoting at least 10 times the amount of financial and human resources that they are giving to this pandemic to ending world hunger? Should they not have come together and done this decades ago?end snip

10 years you write of having successful aboveunity claim...Rick Friedrick too and Bedini and Aaron at E forum and...??

I work with people that would bring this tech where it is needed ...people who have worked in countries where the above statistics come from ,That have worked to teach and train or help such people.
how fast our world is changing...how privileged have some been to have this technology !!

 However others who need it the most ?
how much longer ??
Here one paragraph [Tutorial PDF] would change the world from your key board ..no effort beyond the plunking keys..no money no nothing...
the world will have the resource it so desperately needs..
yes you are very special Chris...do the next right thing and share.
if you are trying not to draw attention I could understand your apprehension ..however all you do is draw attention ...a forum "we have above unity here"
?? if you are concerned ChetKremens@gmail.com ??

while we can still get this out to the world ...
Sincerely Chet K






Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: gyulasun on June 18, 2020, 04:23:17 PM

Hi Chet,
The measurement method you described here (https://overunity.com/17252/the-rant-room/msg546965/#msg546965)  sounds good to learn about the output power of a device. It needs careful and precise procedure to follow but can be done. 

There remains to find a method for estimating the input power to a device. If the input needs a square (or other but not sine) wave drive, then the use of a 2 channel digital oscilloscope and its built-in Math function to integrate the instanteneous input voltage and current samples can give a good estimation. 

In case the input and output power happens to be too close to each other, say in the range of COP  1.1 - 1.2  as per the measurements,  then a 2nd (or even a 3rd) device ought to be built and drive the input of the 2nd one from the output of 1st one (and so on), to increase the output power (as suggested by TinselKoala).   Unfortunately, this "daisy-chain" method may need some matching network to apply to avoid unwanted loss because the input and output impedances of a device may differ, of course.  It is possible that such chain connections cannot be done by using simple matching networks and more expertise is needed a home experimenter may not have. 

Gyula
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: EMJunkie on June 18, 2020, 11:40:32 PM



Chet,

Tutorial = Here (https://overunity.com/18464/partnered-output-coils-builders-group-moderated/msg545088/#msg545088). Suitable and understandable Gyula?

   1: Videos included = 11, 7+ hours approx.
   2: Circuits Included.
   3: Scope Shops Included.
   4: Background of Asymmetrical Regauging Included.
   5: Historical References Included.
   6: Independent Replication done!
   7: Detailed Explanation in most posts made Included.


Tutorial, yes, done, just too many people do not read, pay attention to videos! We have Zero requirement for peer review, we all know what that will do! Peer Jealousy more like! "he didn't write this bit the way I want to see it..."


Many here laugh at, and mok EMJ, but the fact is , he is basically right in what he is trying to put forward.



Guys, I have a proposal for anyone that is honest and interested.
Please put this statement into your mind without any doubts: The device works on the exact principles Chris shared.

Now please go to the workbench and don't quit until you make it work! There are 2 choices to succeed: be smart and do it fast or be stubborn (like me) and do it by failing many times first. Either one works.



Most will do a bit of Math:
   Input = 12V @ 0.5A = 6 Watts, Output = 17V @ 0.7A = ‭11.9‬Watts, COP = ‭11.9‬Watts / 6 Watts = ‭1.98‬.
   I have over inflated the Input and not included L3 Power in this Math!
   Of course accurate measurements are not considered, the Scope was unable to take measurement on Off Screen Data. But there is enough information to put your 1.1 and 1.2 theories out the window.

Tomorrow will be worse! I believe it! Best everyone get started now! I am not special, I was given a task and the task is special, not me!

I have done my part for Humanity, now it is Humanity's turn to help themselves! What I have shared is just the start!

Best wishes, stay safe and well in these dire times,
   Chris Sykes
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: ramset on June 19, 2020, 01:09:34 AM
Chris,  I will do my best to engage a builder to replicate here.[I will find one !! ...maybe even from OZ
may take a few days...all the builders keep busy with projects..

However 1.98 should be more than adequate to get full attention.

with gratitude
Chet K
perhaps a separate thread so as to keep it neat ?
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: EMJunkie on June 19, 2020, 01:24:55 AM
Chris,  I will do my best to engage a builder to replicate here.[I will find one !! ...maybe even from OZ
may take a few days...all the builders keep busy with projects..

However 1.98 should be more than adequate to get full attention.

with gratitude
Chet K
perhaps a separate thread so as to keep it neat ?



People need to get building, experimenting, learning the path forward Chet!

Everyone should create their own thread and name it appropriately! Meaningful names are important!

I am also fine if others want to post useful information here! As long as they all, get off their backsides and do it!

Like I said, this is just the start, much better results are possible, as are much worse, work is required!

Best wishes, stay safe and well in these dire times,
   Chris Sykes
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: AlienGrey on June 19, 2020, 10:51:00 AM
Chet Chris,

What is your circuit you want replicating, I dont have time to play hide and seek games
I have other projects i'm working on.

Regards
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: EMJunkie on June 19, 2020, 11:21:22 PM
Chet Chris,

What is your circuit you want replicating, I dont have time to play hide and seek games
I have other projects i'm working on.

Regards


Hey AG

This post Here (https://overunity.com/18464/partnered-output-coils-builders-group-moderated/msg546683/#msg546683) will help understand whats going on in the Coils!

Best wishes, stay safe and well in these dire times,
   Chris Sykes

Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: AlienGrey on June 20, 2020, 01:59:44 AM
yes many thanks Chris
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: gyulasun on June 20, 2020, 12:53:11 PM
...
   Input = 12V @ 0.5A = 6 Watts, Output = 17V @ 0.7A = ‭11.9‬Watts, COP = ‭11.9‬Watts / 6 Watts = ‭1.98‬.
   I have over inflated the Input and not included L3 Power in this Math!
   Of course accurate measurements are not considered, the Scope was unable to take measurement on Off Screen Data. But there is enough information to put your 1.1 and 1.2 theories out the window.
...
 

Hi EMJunkie, 

Could you share some more details: 

   The input and output voltage and current values you wrote are DC or AC ones?

   If they were DC values then did the DC input drive a power oscillator and this oscillator drove the POC?

   What was the load across the output of the POC?

I do not mean these questions to be tricky ones, and I do not seek for any 'debunking', ok?   

Gyula

Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: EMJunkie on June 20, 2020, 01:18:04 PM
 

Hi EMJunkie, 

Could you share some more details: 

   The input and output voltage and current values you wrote are DC or AC ones?

   If they were DC values then did the DC input drive a power oscillator and this oscillator drove the POC?

   What was the load across the output of the POC?

I do not mean these questions to be tricky ones, and I do not seek for any 'debunking', ok?   

Gyula



All answers are in the videos Gyula!



   The input and output voltage and current values you wrote are DC or AC ones?



DC Voltages, both Input and Output, Output has a small AC Component, very little. Currents not so much, we have Current doing all sorts of things and I am not going into that!





   If they were DC values then did the DC input drive a power oscillator and this oscillator drove the POC?



No, DC Input was direct from PSU, Powertech MP3090, 15.3 Volt, 40 Amp Power Supply. Very good, never had a problem with it. Nothing else was powered from this PSU.



   What was the load across the output of the POC?



The POC is sensitive to the Load. It was just a 12V 300ma globe. Obviously over driving it at 17V. Yes, after some time it does burn out as one would expect, real power flows and heats this Resistive Load!

Core CSA vs Coil Impedance needs to be thought of to suit Load Impedances.

I don't care if you try to debunk, you simply cant! Not truthfully anyway! Its real, it works, its been independently replicated by hundreds of people now, nothing you can say or do to disprove it! Simple as that! Bad pixel on my Scope, its fake, no sorry, it doesn't work that way any more Gyula! Too many know about that sort of shabby tom foolery and will see right through the BS!

Best wishes, stay safe and well in these dire times,
   Chris Sykes
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: lancaIV on June 20, 2020, 06:23:44 PM

#153 : Tutorial: link
https://overunity.com/18464/partnered-output-coils-builders-group-moderated/msg545088/#msg545088 (https://overunity.com/18464/partnered-output-coils-builders-group-moderated/msg545088/#msg545088)


Remember: Greater than 90% of the time, your Input is Off, this means your Output should be Off, there is no way for your Output to be On is there - Well yes, this is where Science has no proper explanation for whats occurring! One of many gaping holes in Electromagnetics!







https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19920714&CC=US&NR=5130608A&KC=A (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19920714&CC=US&NR=5130608A&KC=A)


In one example, the module circuit is adjusted to produce 4,000 pulses per second with a pulse width of about 10 microseconds (with an average resting interval of about 240 microseconds), a load of 100 ohms, and a charging potential of 100 volts.

                                   10 microseconds on and 240 microseconds off from 250 microseconds interval = 4% on and 96% off

Using Ohm's Law, these conditions would produce 100 watts of peak power. Using Equation I, the average power in the Example 1 can thus be calculated, i.e., about 4 watts.


                                                ( Ohms law is steady current calculating.not with on/off phases ! )


 Assuming that the power dissipated in the module itself is approximately 8 watts,


the total average energy consumed is the sum of energy expenditure due to load and energy dissipated in the working module, namely a grand total of about 12 watts.


Clearly, the average power consumed in the pulsed incandescence of a light bulb under the control of the inventive module of this example is as low as almost one-tenth the amount consumed in a conventional AC power supply for an incandescent light bulb.




http://translationportal.epo.org/emtp/translate/?ACTION=description-retrieval&COUNTRY=WO&ENGINE=google&FORMAT=docdb&KIND=A2&LOCALE=en_EP&NUMBER=2012065719&OPS=ops.epo.org/3.2&SRCLANG=de&TRGLANG=en (http://translationportal.epo.org/emtp/translate/?ACTION=description-retrieval&COUNTRY=WO&ENGINE=google&FORMAT=docdb&KIND=A2&LOCALE=en_EP&NUMBER=2012065719&OPS=ops.epo.org/3.2&SRCLANG=de&TRGLANG=en)


Experiments by the applicant have shown that the circuit arrangement is particularly efficient when the electrical load is a light source in the form of an incandescent lamp or in the form of a light-emitting diode. For example, a lamp that could only be operated on a 12 volt accumulator in continuous operation for 25 minutes could be operated in pulse mode with the same accumulator for 65 minutes. Furthermore, the applicant's experiments have shown that in the event that an electric motor is used as the load, a further capacitor can be connected in parallel in order to further increase the efficiency. Of course, an electrical heating element, for example in the form of a heating spiral, can also be used as a load.


                        from 25 minutes continuous to 65 minutes pulse mode operation : 160% improvement






                                 To speak over OU is difficult and without approvement not correct  and cause the on/off intervals very difficult to measure !


                                 For each OU-propagating device which works with on/off cycles,bucking coils independent !
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: kolbacict on June 20, 2020, 07:13:17 PM
And could anyone translate several pages from Russian? There is interesting material ...
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: WhatIsIt on June 21, 2020, 09:53:39 AM
Chris,

You read and study a lot about Sweet Floyd.
I did also.
As you do, I think also that magnets are.for.decoration only.
But, at the time he was under lots of eyes and he was obligated to show scheme to investor.
Under that kind of pressure where he could hide true scheme of circuit?

There are 2 circuits involved.
One is about device itself and everyone is concentrated on that one.
The other is for conditioning magnet, which nobody looks at.

What if conditioning circuit holds secret while circuit of device is distraction.

What do you think?
He was clever enough to make this kind of plane site deception.
And nobody will ever notice.
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: EMJunkie on June 21, 2020, 10:43:38 AM
Chris,

You read and study a lot about Sweet Floyd.
I did also.
As you do, I think also that magnets are.for.decoration only.
But, at the time he was under lots of eyes and he was obligated to show scheme to investor.
Under that kind of pressure where he could hide true scheme of circuit?

There are 2 circuits involved.
One is about device itself and everyone is concentrated on that one.
The other is for conditioning magnet, which nobody looks at.

What if conditioning circuit holds secret while circuit of device is distraction.

What do you think?
He was clever enough to make this kind of plane site deception.
And nobody will ever notice.


Hey Whatisit,

With no doubt in my mind, Magnet Conditioning is Fake!

Magnets did have a purpose however, I believe they were used, like we use in External Fields in Spintronics and NMR, the Copper Atoms did have a Polarity to the External Field. This external Field is used in the Precession Frequency Equation, and changes the Frequency depending on the External Field Strength.

Also, and this is important, if you want to use a Core, the Magnets Bias the Core to a point, close but not in Saturation.

I am not going to debate if Floyd Sweet used a Core or not, its up to you to decide on that!

Best wishes stay safe and well in these dire times,
   Chris Sykes
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: WhatIsIt on June 21, 2020, 10:54:03 AM
Thanks for the answer.

Something bothers me about Floyd.
I will go again through stuff you have on Floyd.
Notes, scheme, etc...

Stay well!
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: EMJunkie on June 22, 2020, 08:26:19 AM
Thanks for the answer.

Something bothers me about Floyd.
I will go again through stuff you have on Floyd.
Notes, scheme, etc...

Stay well!



I would recommend anyone wanting to learn more, would be best to take a few minutes to learn the experiment I have shared. First time it may not give the desired results, but with:

   1: Understanding,
   2: Some work,
   3 Some fiddling,


This will be the most valuable experiment that anyone can do to make steps forward.

Study this video: https://youtu.be/Vo2-Qb3fUYs

Think of each Electron in the Copper Wire as a small Magnet!

Focus on how you can make this Magnet Move. This will be of great benefit!

Best wishes stay safe and well in these dire times,
   Chris Sykes
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: EMJunkie on June 22, 2020, 11:55:19 PM



It seems Sour Grapes are going around, and half wit's are jumping on the band wagon, sadly, means simple straightforward understanding for the average person can easily get misconstrued and confused.

It is advantageous to think SIMPLE, weather Scientifically, it is accepted or not, is an individual choice to accept the simplicity or not, and to attack others over their way of thinking and methods is rather petty, especially when those methods work for the majority!

Remember our simple Electron Gun: https://youtu.be/Vo2-Qb3fUYs

Well, tie this, into this text from Floyd Sweet:


Quote from: Floyd Sweet link=http://www.hyiq.org/Downloads/The%20Space-Flux%20Coupled%20Alternator.pdf



Quantum mechanics state not all electrons in copper are free to carry charges. Then it’s time to set the wheels in motion to free them from binding magnetic forces. Once this is done, conductivity will improve and resistance decrease as we are dealing only with electrons. Copper will not change to another metal as atoms which are mostly empty space would have many electrons to spare anyway. To free enough electrons to effect conversion would require magnetic forces approaching infinity.

An illustration will help to clarify how the feedback principal counters the magnetic force binding the electrons in orbits, restraining them from motion as charged particles in the form of an electric current.






This Video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eANiGbrMM2U gives us a visual on the actions of Force and Spin to effect the internal structure of the Atom. Image attached below.

I have said all along, think of Magnetic Fields as Waves, this is important, even Floyd Sweet told us to do this:



Quote from: Floyd Sweet link=http://www.hyiq.org/Downloads/Magnetic%20Resonance%20by%20Floyd%20A.%20Sweet.%20PH.%20D.pdf



Using a more rigorous wavemechanics approach...





The approach I give is specifically designed with simplicity in mind, making sure everyone from all areas and backgrounds can grasp what I am talking about. I have no desire to confuse people with techno babble!

Best wishes, stay safe and well in these dire times,
   Chris Sykes



P.S: This is ALL Inside the Copper Atom, the Electrons, inside the Copper Atom, inside the Insulated Copper Wire!!!


Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: EMJunkie on June 23, 2020, 11:23:12 PM



Online Riots, its habbening right now! Enough noise, and no one can focus on anything, effectively smothering the important information... It is sad!

Best wishes, stay safe and well in these dire times,
   Chris Sykes
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: EMJunkie on June 26, 2020, 02:04:10 AM

   It's funny, but, when we look at videos, like on YT, we can get just about any information we need, on just about any subject.We can build many many things by using diagrams, schematics, and instructions provided by these videos. And have been able to build up almost anything, except, Self Running Devices. How odd is that...


NickZ, any Interpreter will tell you, when interpreting, or translating from one language to another, half of the battle is actually in the Interpretation of the words being said, not the words themselves! Thus the term: Interpreter!

Perhaps your interpretation of whats going on in these circuits and machines is the problem, not the circuits themselves?

Certainly, that's what my Members would say to you!

Success comes from properly interpreting the information, because failure is simply a lack of understanding! Think specifically in Units of Force and what Unit of Force you can make work FOR YOU, Instead of against you!

Best wishes, stay safe and well in these dire times,
   Chris Sykes




Thinking Logically is a very important aspect of everyday life! As was pointed out, you need to think in Units of Force and what Force works for you and what Force works against you!


Example:

In a Transformer, totally Symmetrical in its operation, we see Force, or Energy, the same things at the end of the day, are Balanced, Symmetrically. Input Force is opposed by Output Force! Symmetrical!

What does this mean?

In a basic Transformer, we have X Units of Energy being supplied over Time. The Output is equivalent to the Input minus Losses, very simple and Pre-Schoolers can follow this! This means, as a function of the Symmetry in the Transformer, Input to Output Symmetry, the Transformer will ALWAYS be below Unity! It can never ever go Above Unity! Symmetrical Energy Exchanges minus Losses = Below Unity!

It is logical, and is evident, that if we want the Transformer to go Above Unity, then we must introduce Asymmetry, another Force, or another Source of Energy must Enter the Transformer System, and this Extra Force, is required to have a Magnitude in a very Specific Direction!

The M.M.F, in a Transformer is considered Force, its Energy, at the end of the day, and this M.M.F must have Direction to Assist your Input. This means, Force considered as 1 Unit for simplicity equals: 1 + -1 + 1 = 1

NOTE: Simpletons will be removed from the conversation if they interject, do your home work before you show yourself up to be a fool!

In a Symmetrical System, this equation is: 1 + -1 = 0 In other words, all the Energy is used up and no force is left over!

By thinking Logically, and engineering a System as I have shown for a decade nearly, you will be able to build Above unity Machines. Success comes from Understanding, Failure is a result of Not Understanding. Keep it simple, make sure you understand the most simple phenomena! This is super simple, you wont believe how simple this is once you gain this understanding!

Best wishes, stay safe and well in these dire times,
   Chris Sykes
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: EMJunkie on June 28, 2020, 11:03:49 PM



The truth is, emotions get in the way...

I started at Zero, no equipment, very little experience, and started with determination, every day trying to learn something, making an effort to understand, as Richard Feynman said: "Little steps for little feet", that truly is the way forward, but alas, to many here have sour grapes!

I said in another post: "Well, the truth is, some kiddies go to school, just go to eat their lunch..."

Humanity must realise, this cant be the path forward!

Education and understanding is the only way Humanity will pull themselves out of the Mud! Humanity must Change! Its evident to most people, but so many are unwilling to make an effort, happy wallowng in the mud as long as they have their TV and something to watch...

I have tried so hard for so long, never asking for anything in return, only that you try.

I am not perfect, I am not the smartest, and am not superior, but I have one thing, I try! In trying, I succeeded, now I am trying to Share...

I cant help Learning Impaired Bio Slushies! No one can!

Best wishes, stay safe and well in these dire times,
   Chris Sykes
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: EMJunkie on July 01, 2020, 09:36:21 AM



Not all but many threads on this forum currently are directed toward me in some way. Mostly in a negative way!

At least 5 members continually attacking me, in one way or another. Ironically, about the same number as last time!  ;D

To be honest, this is great!

Good publicity, it is good to see! With each post, a post, someone may see, that may open their eyes!  ;)

I truly did expect a better front line of attack however. The old crew used to be so much smarter! The new crew, well, not so much! Mostly high school drop outs with no Science grade what so ever!

I have thick skin, so a few Numptys that like to listen to their own voice really is pretty slushy when it comes to any sort of Trolling! I think My poor old Dead Grandmother could do better to be honest!

For all serious Energy Researchers, I say it again, Focus on the Facts:

   1: What is Energy?
   2: How do we make Energy Flow? Whats required?
   3: Remember, this is all EXTREMELY Simple, no need for any complication!


I have always said, Focus on the Facts, they will not steer you wrong! Facts, an Electron has Mass, has a Charge and therefore must have a Magnetic Field, and like Marbles in a Pipe, we can fire them down a Wire very easily, using this very same Magnetic Field! Its super Simple and once you open your eyes, its actually obvious!

Quote


The devices I have invented, which there are a number of them, they all, actually, accelerate Electrons. They're Electron Accelerators.

Don Smith 1998 Office Interview Part 3 @3: 30

https://youtu.be/x8V2PYI5ZYI





So, ignore people here causing trouble! Ignore those that like the sound of their own voice! Ignore the numptys that talk rubbish all the time, focus on the FACTS!!!

You will succeed if you do this!

I am going to spend a little less time on this forum, as I see very few people here that have any prospect for success in the near future!

You know where to find me: http://www.aboveunity.com I hope you wake to see the Truth and find the path, it is clearly lit when your eyes are open!

Best wishes, stay safe and well in these dire times,
   Chris Sykes
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
Post by: EMJunkie on July 12, 2020, 12:49:50 AM



A Magnetic Field Changing in Time is one of the most amazing things Humanity has ever Observed!

Every single Coil with turns N, that has Current I, that Changes in Time t, is a Source of Electrical Energy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTw4wBfUTNI

A Primary Coil has a Changing Magnetic Field!

A Secondary Coil  has a Changing Magnetic Field!

Here we see in a Symmetrical System, Two Sources of Energy! One is thrown away and not used!

Best wishes, stay safe and well in these dire times,
   Chris Sykes