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Author Topic: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!  (Read 16711 times)

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
« Reply #75 on: May 27, 2020, 06:19:50 PM »
Interesting article on the subject:

https://www.dataforth.com/measuring-rms-values.aspx

Click on PDF at the bottom for nicer read.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
« Reply #76 on: May 28, 2020, 12:18:51 AM »
Interesting article on the subject:

https://www.dataforth.com/measuring-rms-values.aspx

Click on PDF at the bottom for nicer read.

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Hi Bistander,

Two of your articles now point out errors in RMS Values. Both articles point to True RMS being the best and correct path to measure AC Waveform's with distortion, E.G: Non-Linear Load's, and as Partzman has pointed out in his example, generally this does work and True RMS is mostly ok to use.

However, in the example I gave, I show RMS still does have major errors when Negative Power is involved.

I urge everyone to do their own home work on this as Bistander is, as what I am saying should:

   1: Be verified and not accepted as fact without doing your own due diligence!
   2: As has been shown, in many cases T-RMS likely will be ok to use, but you need to know when it is not!


Some facts to keep in your tool kit:

   1: When ever Voltage and Current are opposite in Sign, one being Negative and the other being Positive, then Power is being returned to your Source, Battery Charging!
   2: Always check and double check everything, more checks in place the more you learn, then the more confident you can be!
   3: Never ever be afraid to challenge the Established Rule, in fact you should always challenge it, its our Job to find and observe where the holes are!


That Input Wire, the one you use to Power your DUT, Device Under Test, it should be examined and studied as if it has gold Coins in it! You need to understand what is occurring here more than anywhere else! This examination and study will guide you to Great Success!

In the below image, is there really 7.5Kw in this little circuit? @7 Volts that's a Current of approximately 1071.43 Amperes... Something wrong here isn't there...

Best wishes, stay safe and well,
   Chris Sykes

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
« Reply #77 on: May 28, 2020, 07:37:02 PM »


In the below image, is there really 7.5Kw in this little circuit? @7 Volts that's a Current of approximately 1071.43 Amperes... Something wrong here isn't there...





I was hoping someone would pick up on this little dilemma.


Remember what Walt Rosenthal told us:

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One  frustrating  aspect  of the VTA has  been  its  failures, evidenced  by the output voltage slowly decaying to zero  over  a  few  seconds  or minutes.  There also has  been  spontaneous  instances  of the voltage rising above 120 VRMS as observed by  the increased  lamp load bank brightness.

The volt  meters,  ammeter,  and  power  meter did not correlate with  the  brightness  change  except when the machine would the fail to produce any power.



I wonder if others see why, see whats going on?

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
« Reply #77 on: May 28, 2020, 07:37:02 PM »
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« Reply #78 on: May 30, 2020, 02:04:12 AM »



@Partzman, can you see any error I have made in my last example?

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
« Reply #79 on: May 30, 2020, 07:52:58 PM »


@Partzman, can you see any error I have made in my last example?

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   Chris Sykes

Chris,

Unfortunately, I'm not familiar enough with that simulator to give any kind of intelligent answer!  Sorry.

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Pm

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
« Reply #79 on: May 30, 2020, 07:52:58 PM »
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« Reply #80 on: May 31, 2020, 01:33:15 AM »
Chris,

Unfortunately, I'm not familiar enough with that simulator to give any kind of intelligent answer!  Sorry.

Regards,
Pm


The Experiment also works on the bench. When enough power is sent back from the Input Load, then the Power readings are incorrect if one uses RMS, true or not true RMS. RMS Can not handle Power coming back to the source.

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« Reply #81 on: June 03, 2020, 11:18:02 PM »



The biggest surprise is the fact that no-one here will do the simple experiments! Any chance to learn something should be grasped, seen as an opportunity! Post NO#1 is a gold nugget for all here! Others have come here and confirmed this, Members of My Forum, come and tell you that there is Value to these simple cheap experiments, yet there is still zero activity here, as if everyone here is frozen solid, zero activity! Hahaha one can only find amusement in the attitudes and approaches, for an Energy Research Forum, there is Zero Research going on!

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
« Reply #81 on: June 03, 2020, 11:18:02 PM »
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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
« Reply #82 on: June 04, 2020, 05:06:10 AM »



It should be known, others are experimenting on what I have shared, ever since I was banned here, one such example: https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=3641.msg82322#msg82322

Exactly the same, even showing the same waveforms.

The secrets lay in plain sight, right here in-front of you. No one wants to admit it, and no one wants to share their work. Definitely no one wants to give credit to the original distributor of this information!

QUESTION: Why would Partzman experiment and share results over there, out of the sight of all here?

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This paper will explain a means that will defeat or reduce the Lenz effect to near zero in a common transformer with two windings.


Guidelines to Bucking Coils. Lenz’s Law Free Power Extraction. Ring any bells?

Been doing this, since 2011... Introduced here, 2015, now, everyone is using this technology, without giving any credit whatsoever to those before them!

Best wishes, stay safe and well,
   Chris Sykes

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
« Reply #83 on: June 04, 2020, 02:59:27 PM »




It should be known, others are experimenting on what I have shared, ever since I was banned here, one such example: https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=3641.msg82322#msg82322

Exactly the same, even showing the same waveforms.

The secrets lay in plain sight, right here in-front of you. No one wants to admit it, and no one wants to share their work. Definitely no one wants to give credit to the original distributor of this information!

I'm sorry Chris, but I miss reading in your documents where you reveal reducing the Lenz effect in the secondary of a transformer by means of a constant current in said secondary!  Could you please point out where you state this?

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QUESTION: Why would Partzman experiment and share results over there, out of the sight of all here?

First of all, I choose to share whenever and whatever I like to whomever!  I'm not in the need for anyone to tell me what to post!  Secondly, I was banned from this forum for no good reason therefore, I was unable to post here even if I wanted!

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Guidelines to Bucking Coils. Lenz’s Law Free Power Extraction. Ring any bells?

Been doing this, since 2011... Introduced here, 2015, now, everyone is using this technology, without giving any credit whatsoever to those before them!

As stated above, where is your prior art using a constant current load?  I'm also curious as to why you seem to think that you "own" bifilar coil arrangements?  You have explained some of the basics of their operation but really, I was using trifilar coil designs circa 1965 and beyond, etc.

Pm 

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
« Reply #83 on: June 04, 2020, 02:59:27 PM »
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« Reply #84 on: June 04, 2020, 03:22:37 PM »

I'm sorry Chris, but I miss reading in your documents where you reveal reducing the Lenz effect in the secondary of a transformer by means of a constant current in said secondary!  Could you please point out where you state this?

First of all, I choose to share whenever and whatever I like to whomever!  I'm not in the need for anyone to tell me what to post!  Secondly, I was banned from this forum for no good reason therefore, I was unable to post here even if I wanted!

As stated above, where is your prior art using a constant current load?  I'm also curious as to why you seem to think that you "own" bifilar coil arrangements?  You have explained some of the basics of their operation but really, I was using trifilar coil designs circa 1965 and beyond, etc.

Pm


Hey Partzman,

I dont own this technology! We both know that, but as you stated:

Quote from: Partzman link=https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=3641.msg78730#msg78730


This POC demonstrates that a gain can be generated in a properly arranged parametric inductor powered by a constant current source.  I do have a theory as to how the gain is achieved but that is for later.

Regards,
Pm 




POC, aka Partnered Output Coils is one of the only paths forward! Also as you stated:


Quote from: Partzman link=https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=3641.msg78594#msg78594


If you build it, at least give me some credit.

Regards,
Pm





Doing the very same experiments, and also referring to your Coils with the same name I termed prior to 2015, prior to your open source experimentation, ever, is some what hypocritical when you expect credit don't you think!

You confirmed COP = 1.1 to COP = 4.70, so for this I am happy, but coming to my forum, reading my pages, having an account: "Prometheus", reading my posts here for the last 5 years or so, really, I see the word hypocrite first of all here and other words also. I really do not need to defend myself, I mean this is a Verification, it is another independent replication, it is what I want to see, but how you have gone about this is very self rewarding, for you only, isn't it!

Best wishes, stay safe and well,
   Chris Sykes

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
« Reply #85 on: June 04, 2020, 08:26:21 PM »
Hey Chris,

Well, I had a good laugh at your previous post! ::) ::)  Are you really serious here?  Did you read the context of my post at the link you gave-?

https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=3641.msg78730#msg78730

My use of 'POC' refers to 'Proof of Concept' which is a generally accepted abbreviated term AFAIK.  I'm certainly not referring to your use of 'POC" as 'Partnered Output Coils'.  I would simply use the term bifilar or whatever term would universally describe the topology.  Also, look at the schematic.  Do you or anybody else see any bifilar coil present?  The build topology was not revealed in that post because it is proprietary and I can guarantee you that it is far from being bifilar.

If you are so touchy concerning others using the term 'POC', then I would suggest you copyright and/or trademark the term but be sure you mark it as such.

If you really understood my constant current load arrangement, you would see it has nothing to do with 'partnered output coils'.  Even if it did incorporate bifilar, or trifilar, or even multifilar coils, what's it to you? 

Now, let's talk about your statement in your post and I quote-

"You confirmed COP = 1.1 to COP = 4.70, so for this I am happy, but coming to my forum, reading my pages, having an account: "Prometheus", reading my posts here for the last 5 years or so, really, I see the word hypocrite first of all here and other words also. I really do not need to defend myself, I mean this is a Verification, it is another independent replication, it is what I want to see, but how you have gone about this is very self rewarding, for you only, isn't it!"


This is an outright slanderous lie.  I have never registered on your forum under any name much less "Prometheus".  And then you have the gaul to call me a hypocrite based on your false assumption/accusation?    Please!!!!

Have I ever looked at your forum?  Yes I have on occasion but honestly it is for no more than a minute or two as I find nothing of real interest IMO.

Pm   


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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
« Reply #85 on: June 04, 2020, 08:26:21 PM »
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« Reply #86 on: June 04, 2020, 10:22:42 PM »
Hey Chris,

Well, I had a good laugh at your previous post! ::) ::)  Are you really serious here?  Did you read the context of my post at the link you gave-?

https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=3641.msg78730#msg78730

My use of 'POC' refers to 'Proof of Concept' which is a generally accepted abbreviated term AFAIK.  I'm certainly not referring to your use of 'POC" as 'Partnered Output Coils'.  I would simply use the term bifilar or whatever term would universally describe the topology.  Also, look at the schematic.  Do you or anybody else see any bifilar coil present?  The build topology was not revealed in that post because it is proprietary and I can guarantee you that it is far from being bifilar.

If you are so touchy concerning others using the term 'POC', then I would suggest you copyright and/or trademark the term but be sure you mark it as such.

If you really understood my constant current load arrangement, you would see it has nothing to do with 'partnered output coils'.  Even if it did incorporate bifilar, or trifilar, or even multifilar coils, what's it to you? 

Now, let's talk about your statement in your post and I quote-

"You confirmed COP = 1.1 to COP = 4.70, so for this I am happy, but coming to my forum, reading my pages, having an account: "Prometheus", reading my posts here for the last 5 years or so, really, I see the word hypocrite first of all here and other words also. I really do not need to defend myself, I mean this is a Verification, it is another independent replication, it is what I want to see, but how you have gone about this is very self rewarding, for you only, isn't it!"


This is an outright slanderous lie.  I have never registered on your forum under any name much less "Prometheus".  And then you have the gaul to call me a hypocrite based on your false assumption/accusation?    Please!!!!

Have I ever looked at your forum?  Yes I have on occasion but honestly it is for no more than a minute or two as I find nothing of real interest IMO.

Pm



Well, Partzman, I am glad you had a good laugh, but facts remain facts, Powder of Cinnamon, POC. Laugh laugh laugh, funny funny funny...

Magnetic Vectors remain the same, you still used Partnered Output Coils and you confirmed Above Unity Results using:

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This paper will explain a means that will defeat or reduce the Lenz effect to near zero in a common transformer with two windings.



The same ideas and approaches in my paper: Guidelines to Bucking Coils. Lenz’s Law Free Power Extraction.

Fact is, it works, it works many different ways. But, the basic concept, Two Output Coils, Partnered Output Coils. I don't care where you share it, I don't care if you want to claim it as your own, hey go for it, but fact is, you have verified and independently replicated the Configuration I have bought forward nearly 10 years ago.

It would be nice if the Human Race could work together, helping each other, making progress for the common good, not just for the one, not just for Self. I expect it these days though, the world is consumed by the things we were all warned about, you know: Greed, Lust, Selfishness, Gluttony and so on... The world is in a real mess!

I see you have had a real struggle with Smugde, attempting to show him a working machine, funny, I also have had the same trouble.

Partzman, My forum knows about this, have for a long time, we have monitored and shared with each other how your people have copied our work, again we don't care, even though some credit would have been nice, some acknowledgement for our prior contributions, but we care more about this technology getting out to the masses, we care more about the world waking up to the fact that there is a way a few Coils can be used to produce Energy in abundance, Free, Clean Energy, from Partnered Output Coils. If I don't get the credit, then so what, as long as the world gets this tech it deserves!

It is simple, and can be built for a few dollars, as you have shown, its easy, its truly an Understanding! An awake Race has potential, a brain washed race is doomed!

Best wishes, stay safe and well,
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« Reply #87 on: June 04, 2020, 10:46:03 PM »


P.S: If the account: "Prometheus" is truly not yours then I am sorry for this assumption. I do have reason to believe this was you, as some work posted is identical to your work currently.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
« Reply #88 on: June 05, 2020, 12:10:42 AM »
Chris,

Let's see if we can straighten this out. 

First, what is there you don't understand about a transformer that has two windings that is, a primary and a secondary (this is my device) and not two "partnered output coils"?  Good grief man are you claiming that anybody who uses two coils in an electronic device that produces OU is somehow stealing ideas from you?  Even if my device or anyone's devices used output coils that you would term "partnered", how could you come to the conclusion that you had the "right" to claim that I/they were stealing from you?  You parrot all sorts of electromagnetic theories and you think you basically have some kind of exclusive right to use bifilar coils and no one else does?  Just so you know, I say these things respectively.

Again I ask, does any of your work define the use of a constant current in a secondary to defeat the Lenz effect?  If so, please give me a reference.  Otherwise stop posting that I've stolen, borrowed, or otherwise used your technology because it simply isn't true.

Regarding Smudge, I have the highest regard for the man and the only time I have any issue with him is when he corrects me on something and it is always warranted.  I truly value his knowledge and experience!

I have no idea who is on your forum and basically have no idea of what you and your membership have or have not accomplished.  What I would recommend is that you take whatever devices you have that produce OU or AU as you call it, and build a practical device that is useful in the real world.  This is what we really need.

If there is someone posting my work on your forum, rest assured it is not me!!!  This being the case, then I'm the one who should be complaining.  In fact, I'm going to search your forum for Prometheous and see just exactly what he is posting.

Pm


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« Reply #89 on: June 05, 2020, 01:14:32 AM »



Partzman, I do not have the time to debate you, I am very busy.

From this day forward, I am going to leave it to readers to make their own mind up on the Three Coil Asymmetrical Transformer that is Above Unity.

Honestly, I do not care, I have very much more important things to worry about and discuss. It should be noted, I never used the words you inferred in your last post.

I also have the greatest respect for Smudge, as you have taken what I said out of context, you can read our discussions here. He is missing some very important basic Theory to finish off his final Theory, I was only trying to help with it the best of my abilities. I do not dislike anyone in point of fact, so I urge anyone thinking otherwise to rethink their perspective.

Partzman, I had hoped we could work together, I swung some favors for you you may not be aware of, so I have gone into bat for you perhaps unbeknownst to you.

Now, I see, we are best to have our separate paths. You do your thing, I will do mine.

Best wishes, stay safe and well,
   Chris Sykes

 

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