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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Builders Group - Moderated!
« Reply #120 on: June 13, 2020, 03:50:16 AM »



You are saying, unequivocally, One Watt Second is NOT equal to 1 Joule per Second? Is this what you are saying? Because that's exactly what I am reading from your post!  :o

If this is what you are saying, then please don't ever post on my Threads again!  ::)




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Hi EMJunkie,

Joule = Watt Second

and

Watt = Joule / second

but

Watt Second NOT = Joule / second

because

Joule NOT = Watt

Energy is not same as Power.

I'll leave it at that.
bi

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« Reply #121 on: June 13, 2020, 04:01:51 AM »
Hi EMJunkie,

Joule = Watt Second

and

Watt = Joule / second

but

Watt Second NOT = Joule / second

because

Joule NOT = Watt

Energy is not same as Power.

I'll leave it at that.
bi



Bistander,

Automatically when you specify "Watt" it is Watt Second!

That is why we have defined Watt Hour, Kilo Watt Hour, Mega Watt Hour and so on, because it is Seconds in an Hour: 60 seconds x 60 minutes = 3600 Seconds in 1 Hour, that's why if you say Watt Hour there is 3600 Joules in 1 Watt Hour: See below image!

You are a professional at making up Science as you go! Falsifying the Facts! Please do not ever post on my Threads again! I am tired of your juvenile behavior! I will delete further posts from you!

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« Reply #122 on: June 13, 2020, 06:26:37 AM »


We use 1 Watt Hour over the course of 3 hours, whats the joules used?

https://youtu.be/RpbxIG5HTf4


Yes that's right:  3600 Joules per Hour x 3 Hours = ‭10,800‬ Joules total over the 3 Hour Period, but if we did not define any time ( t ) then this could be used over the course of 1 hour or a decade, which is Nonsensical and pointless to define as Energy used!

‭10,800‬ Joules total over the course of 1 Hour or over the Course of 10000 years is a totally different value! It is essential this be realised! It is non-refutable!

The SI Unit J/s is defined by the International System of Units for a very good reason!

Quote from: Wikipedia link=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joule-second

The joule-second should not be confused with the physical process of joules per second (J/s). In physical processes, when the unit of time appears in the denominator of a ratio, the described process occurs at a rate. For example, in discussions about speed, an object like a car travels a known distance of kilometers spread over a known number of seconds, and the car’s rate of speed becomes kilometers per second (km/s). In physics, work per time describes a system’s power; defined by the unit watt (W), which is joule per second (J/s).



Again: One Watt Second = One Joule per Second - Non-refutable! Defining the Rate at which Energy is used.

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« Reply #123 on: June 13, 2020, 02:44:45 PM »


...
What is: I2R?

Very simple, Ohms Law: I2R = P or Power, Joules per second. Watt Seconds.  ...

.....

Again: One Watt Second = One Joule per Second - Non-refutable! Defining the Rate at which Energy is used.
...

   

Hi Chris,

What I highlighted in red from your quoted text is not correct and repeating it over and over will not make it true.

The accepted formula in science  that connects energy and power is this:   energy = power x time.

The unit of energy is Joule (expressed also as Wattsecond or Watt x second), and the unit of power is Watt.

If you run a 60 watt rated incandescent lamp for 1 hour, then you convert 60 x 3600 = 216,000 Joule (216 kJ) electrical energy by this lamp.

If a DC generator provides 15 V and 20 A current for a load, then the energy it gives (say) each minute will be this (each minute here means 60 second long elapsed run times):
first the power = V x I = 15V x 20A = 300 Watt
and then the energy = power x time = 300W x 60s = 1800 Wattsecond i.e. 1800 J (or 1800 Ws) during each elapsed minute.


No offense intended but let me quote this from you : 


...
Again, as serious Energy Researchers, you should all know this basic Science! Shouldn't you?
...
 

Please understand the difference between power and energy.  And please do not write such post because it is easily mirrored back to you:

...
You are saying, unequivocally, One Watt Second is NOT equal to 1 Joule per Second? Is this what you are saying? Because that's exactly what I am reading from your post!  :o

If this is what you are saying, then please don't ever post on my Threads again!  ::)
...
 


Best wishes,
Gyula


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« Reply #124 on: June 13, 2020, 02:50:58 PM »
Hello gyula ; " The accepted formula in science  that connects energy and power is this:   energy = power x time. "  ::)   power = work /time ,not better ?




How much energy is used by a 60-Watt light bulb that has been left on for eight hours?Answer: The power of the light bulb is given, as well as a time interval. The time is 8 hours, or (8 hours)(60 minutes/hour)(60 seconds/minute) = 28800 s. The energy used can be found by rearranging the equation:

∆W = P∙∆t
∆W = (60 W)∙(28800 s)
∆W = 1728000 J
∆W = 1728 kJ
The energy expended by the 60-Watt light bulb in 8 hours was 1728000 J, or 1728 kJ.

https://www.softschools.com/formulas/physics/power_formula/56/#:~:text=Power%20is%20a%20rate%20at,second%20(J%2Fs).


Power is a rate at which work is done, or energy is used. It is equal to the amount of work done divided by the time it takes to do the work. The unit of power is the Watt (W), which is equal to a Joule per second (J/s).

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« Reply #125 on: June 13, 2020, 03:04:20 PM »
Hello gyula ; " The accepted formula in science  that connects energy and power is this:   energy = power x time. "  ::)  = work x time ,not better ?


https://www.softschools.com/formulas/physics/power_formula/56/#:~:text=Power%20is%20a%20rate%20at,second%20(J%2Fs).


Power is a rate at which work is done, or energy is used. It is equal to the amount of work done divided by the time it takes to do the work. The unit of power is the Watt (W), which is equal to a Joule per second (J/s).
Hello Cristoph,
Basically we agree.  What remains is to interpret what is the difference if there is any between work and energy.   ;)   

Greetings 
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« Reply #126 on: June 13, 2020, 03:25:33 PM »

Physics : Force in german : Kraft


https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kraft


https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FKraft


Phys. Einheit/Unit : 1 Newton = 1 Kg x m/sv2







Physics : work in german language = Arbeit


https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arbeit_(Physik)#:~:text=von%20englisch%20work)%20ist%20in,eines%20Weges%20auf%20ihn%20einwirkt.


https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FArbeit_%28Physik%29%23%3A~%3Atext%3Dvon%2520englisch%2520work%29%2520ist%2520in%2Ceines%2520Weges%2520auf%2520ihn%2520einwirkt.


Phys. Einheit / Unit : 1 Joule = 1 Newtonmeter =1 Wattsekunde






Phys. Power in german : Leistung


https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leistung_(Physik)


https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FLeistung_%28Physik%29


Phys. Einheit/Unit : 1 Watt = 1 kg·m²/s³




Die SI-Einheit für Arbeit ist identisch mit der für Energie: das Joule Einheitenzeichen J). Aus dem Bezug der Arbeit zur Kraft (SI-Einheit Newton) und Leistung (SI-Einheit Watt) ergeben sich die SI-abgeleiteten Einheiten Newtonmeter (Nm)[1] und Wattsekunde (Ws): Es gilt 1 J = 1 Nm = 1 Ws. Häufig werden zudem die Einheiten Wattstunde[ (Wh) beziehungsweise Kilowattstunde (kWh) verwendet.


The SI unit for work is identical to that for energy: the joule (unit symbol J). The SI-derived units Newtonmeter (Nm) [1] and Wattsecond (Ws) result from the relation of work to power (SI unit Newton) and power (SI unit watt): 1 J = 1 Nm = 1 applies Ws. The units watt hour (Wh) or kilowatt hour (kWh) are also frequently used.




Attention !


https://static.weg.net/medias/downloadcenter/ha0/h5f/WEG-motors-specification-of-electric-motors-50039409-brochure-english-web.pdf


page 7


1.2.2 Mechanical Energy & Power

        Power measures the "speed" with which energy is applied or consumed.

In the previous example, if the well is 24.5 m deep the work or energy (W) spent to lift the bucket from the bottom of the well up to the wellhead will always be the same: 20 N x 24.6 m = 490 Nm


 Note: the measuring unit for the mechanical energy, Nm, is the same that is used for torque - however the values are of different nature and therefore should not be confused.



W = F . d (N.m) OBS.: 1 Nm = 1 J = Power x time = Watts x second

Power expresses how quick the energy is applied, it is calculated by dividing the total energy or work by the time in which it is done




" The accepted formula in science  that connects energy and power is this:   energy = power x time. "  WORK =  1 Nm = 1 J = Power x time = Watts x second


                                        The Joule units definition in the SI-system for "energy" and for "work" ! Identical !(?)

https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FEnergie  1 J= 1 Ws= 1 Nm

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arbeit_(Physik)#:~:text=von%20englisch%20work)%20ist%20in,eines%20Weges%20auf%20ihn%20einwirkt. J = N·m= W·s






 "  What remains is to interpret what is the difference if there is any between work and energy.      "


By applying the SI-formulas there is  ;)  no difference !
Skepsis ,by physical application : tensor ,scalar and vector and phasor positive and negative !
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« Reply #127 on: June 13, 2020, 06:21:16 PM »
I have just looked through this thread from its inception back in April and I see there were questions asked of me early on.  When I originally joined OU.com some years ago I had a different email address then the one I use now so I never got notification of those questions.  Some were repeated when I started my new boards here but for completeness I will answer the ones I missed here.  I will also comment on remarks where my name is mentioned.

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I know you worked with Mark Goldes, and Aesop Institute, I am not sure you were at Marks Employ when he Funded Floyd Sweet, but I would have thought you had access to the papers?
I did not join with Mark Goldes until after the new millenium started, so I didn't even know that he funded Sweet.  All the papers I have I got myself through internet searches.

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The only medium that can penetrate the Insulated Copper Wire is the the Magnetic Field, the Conductor is Insulated, so what Smudge is talking about is right, and accurate, only the Copper Atom needs to be the focus specifically, not the Magnets.
That implies that I endorse the view that OU comes from releasing more electrons from the Copper Atom, and I do not, indeed I vehemently oppose that view.  That Sweet may have held that view also does not make it true.  Chris already knows my take on this and we agree to disagree so there is no reason to continue the debate.  Also I disagree with "The only medium that can penetrate the Insulated Copper Wire is the the Magnetic Field", the magnetic vector potential can also penetrate and IMO that is the important one.

I note the various disagreements that have occurred on matters like use of RMS for power measurements, the silly name of this thread "Partnered Output Coils", 1 Watt second = 1 Joule per second and so on.  My take on this is that trying to persuade someone they are wrong is rather like trying to persuade someone religious that they are worshiping the wrong God.  It doesn't get you anywhere.

Smudge

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« Reply #128 on: June 13, 2020, 10:20:00 PM »
   

Hi Chris,

What I highlighted in red from your quoted text is not correct and repeating it over and over will not make it true.

The accepted formula in science  that connects energy and power is this:   energy = power x time.

The unit of energy is Joule (expressed also as Wattsecond or Watt x second), and the unit of power is Watt.

If you run a 60 watt rated incandescent lamp for 1 hour, then you convert 60 x 3600 = 216,000 Joule (216 kJ) electrical energy by this lamp.

If a DC generator provides 15 V and 20 A current for a load, then the energy it gives (say) each minute will be this (each minute here means 60 second long elapsed run times):
first the power = V x I = 15V x 20A = 300 Watt
and then the energy = power x time = 300W x 60s = 1800 Wattsecond i.e. 1800 J (or 1800 Ws) during each elapsed minute.


No offense intended but let me quote this from you : 
 

Please understand the difference between power and energy.  And please do not write such post because it is easily mirrored back to you:
 


Best wishes,
Gyula




Try as you might Gyula, the standard does in point of fact disagree with you:

Quote from: Wikipedia link=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joule-second

The joule-second should not be confused with the physical process of joules per second (J/s). In physical processes, when the unit of time appears in the denominator of a ratio, the described process occurs at a rate. For example, in discussions about speed, an object like a car travels a known distance of kilometers spread over a known number of seconds, and the car’s rate of speed becomes kilometers per second (km/s). In physics, work per time describes a system’s power; defined by the unit watt (W), which is joule per second (J/s).




Sorry, but it is true and quoted from a respected source. Maybe you would like to go and correct the Science writers?

For the smart people out there, we are, and they ones disagreeing, are talking about different approaches and different things. That is, of course if anyone has noticed, no doubt why Smudge has not chimed in yet. The Topic Content, as I pointed out, is the measure of: Watt second has equivalence to Joules per second the rate. The Context was Power, converted into Energy! The attempt to take out of context and change the context is amazing under the circumstances, look at the next post:

Best wishes, stay safe and well in these dire times,
   Chris Sykes


P.S: I understand the difference between Power and Energy very well, thus the debate Gyula. What should be noted: we are not talking about any differences at all! We are talking about Watts expressed as Joules per second! But because you have read only one post, you would not have grasped the context. How I am looking for a: Sorry EMJunkie you were right, I was wrong! from you!

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« Reply #129 on: June 13, 2020, 10:32:24 PM »

"If the directions of the two signals are such that opposite H-fields cancel and E-fields add, an apparently steady E-field will be created. The energy density of the fields remain as calculated above, but the value of the E-field will double from E / 2 to E."

An apparently steady E field will be created.

So how do we do this?

Mags


Mags, Newton told us, for every Action there is an Equal and Opposite Reaction - Right?

Floyd Sweet also said:

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Electromagnetic induction with no measurable magnetic field is not new. It is well known that in the space surrounding a properly wound toroidal coil there is no magnetic field. This is due to the superposition of the fields.

However, when alternating current is surging through a transformer an electric field surrounds it. When we apply the principle of superposition to the vacuum triode it becomes more obvious how the device is in fact operating.




An Electric Field is formed when two Magnetic Fields Oppose, see the below graphic:

I said many years back, Newtons laws should be extended to: For every Action there is an equal and opposite Reaction and for every Reaction there is an equal and opposite Counter-Reaction.

Tinman got all excited and he agreed. Even quoting this later in his diagrams. Here.

You must think in units of Energy, and what that Energy is doing. M.M.F, is Energy, having a direct conversion to Joules. M.M.F also has a Magnitude and a Direction.

   1: Input - 1 unit in the Positive Direction.
   2: Output - 1 unit in the Negative Direction.
   3: Output - 1 unit in the Positive Direction.


So, the objective is, get 3 to oppose 2 and 2 will naturally oppose 1. This gives you a total M.M.F = 1 + -1 + 1 = 1.

Normally, you would see: M.M.F  = 1 + -1 = 0

So, to put it simply, you need a Third Force, an Asymmetrical Force, to add Energy to your System! The same as a Heat Pump, a Hydraulic Ram Pump and many other examples.

This energy can be Free, it can be the Counter-Reaction of your Reaction which Assists your Action!

Follow this post Here, and questions let me know.

A Magnetic Resonance can be found, when this is found, your Output will be maximum! By following these simple Rules and applying them as so, you will the Above unity results. Many have shown success using this method. Partzman is one Here.

Using the method I show, and have shown for nearly a decade, Reducing the Lenz's Effect in a Transformer! Almost to Zero and sometimes even Negative, power comes back on the Primary! Using an Asymmetrical Transformer, the one I have shown for nearly a decade now.

Best wishes, stay safe and well in these dire times,
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« Reply #130 on: June 13, 2020, 10:51:22 PM »
I have just looked through this thread from its inception back in April and I see there were questions asked of me early on.  When I originally joined OU.com some years ago I had a different email address then the one I use now so I never got notification of those questions.  Some were repeated when I started my new boards here but for completeness I will answer the ones I missed here.  I will also comment on remarks where my name is mentioned.

Reply 24I did not join with Mark Goldes until after the new millenium started, so I didn't even know that he funded Sweet.  All the papers I have I got myself through internet searches.

Reply 29That implies that I endorse the view that OU comes from releasing more electrons from the Copper Atom, and I do not, indeed I vehemently oppose that view.  That Sweet may have held that view also does not make it true.  Chris already knows my take on this and we agree to disagree so there is no reason to continue the debate.  Also I disagree with "The only medium that can penetrate the Insulated Copper Wire is the the Magnetic Field", the magnetic vector potential can also penetrate and IMO that is the important one.

I note the various disagreements that have occurred on matters like use of RMS for power measurements, the silly name of this thread "Partnered Output Coils", 1 Watt second = 1 Joule per second and so on.  My take on this is that trying to persuade someone they are wrong is rather like trying to persuade someone religious that they are worshiping the wrong God.  It doesn't get you anywhere.

Smudge



I like Smudge, he is a genuine, very smart human being!

I am not trying to persuade anyone, I am sharing what I have learned in a way that is timeless. Some are taking advantage and some are not. My Members have made massive progress. They are the ones taking advantage. I am very proud of them! They are so far ahead! Some having Below Unity Machines but most having Above Unity Machines, some Self Running.

I don't care if you disagree with me, in fact, you disagreeing with me is a good thing, sharpens my pencil!

I am trying to bring awareness to those that want to learn and make progress, because over the last 30 years, no one here has made any progress!

Best wishes, stay safe and well in these dire times,
   Chris Sykes

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« Reply #131 on: June 13, 2020, 11:01:05 PM »
  No one here has made any progress. Seems like you are one that has not SHOWN any progress.
Your group has made OU progress, but you have nothing to show? How odd..
 So when will you show us what you are talking about? After all these empty posts, with no OU, nor selfrunning, etz.

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« Reply #132 on: June 13, 2020, 11:04:25 PM »
  No one here has made progress. Seems like you are one that has not SHOWN any progress.
Your group has OU, but you don't?  How odd...



NickZ, ones mouth, when speaking for others, or about others, with nothing but hot air to support your words, is not wise! Are you wise?

Just maybe, maybe, you could learn something of value?

A smart Marksman does not paint a target on his back! My Members know to keep a low profile! They do!

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« Reply #133 on: June 13, 2020, 11:21:42 PM »
   It's not me that is making claims...You are the one that can't substantiate what you preach. How long will you keep this up?     You've lost everyone that is posting here, to your insults, and lack of proof.   Reminds me of someone called Rick....  Sorry to say.     If you have nothing to show, well, I can understand that. But, theories are only a theories, until they are proven.
   So, please show us how your partnered output coils (or whatever device) can actually do something. As this is dragging out for way too long. No need to tell me what to do or how to think. I am a grown man. And will need more than hot air to follow your suggestions. Suggestions telling others what they should do, but you won't. Why? Afraid that people will see you for what you are.
   WHO will moderate your continual threats and insults???  Maybe, just maybe, you'll learn something about courtesy. I hope.   You are welcome to remove this post. Thanks.   NickZ
 

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« Reply #134 on: June 13, 2020, 11:43:10 PM »
   It's not my big mouth making claims...You are the one that can't substantiate what you preach. How long will you keep this up?     You've lost everyone that is posting here, to your insults, and lack of proof.   Reminds me of someone called Rick....  Sorry to say.     If you have nothing to show, well, I can understand that. But, theories are only a theories, until they are proven.
   So, please show us how your partnered output coils (or whatever device) can actually do something. As this is dragging out for way too long. No need to tell me what to do or how to think. I am a grown man. And will need more that hot air to follow your suggestions. 
   WHO will moderate your continual threats and insults???   


NickZ, Here you will find all the instructions, approximately 10 hours of material, lets see how well you do eh?

It is a free forum! No one, is twisting your arm to even read this thread! But, alas, I know your'e empty, tired of Joule Thief Circuits, looking for something a little more exciting and that shows a bit more prospect. You, NickZ, are a free person, to make decisions for your self, are you not? Don't tell me, you signed up to Satan? I certainly see a lot of angry in your edited post!

Now, whats true, is you will need a little more effort than your buddy "kolbacict" Images below:

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