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Title: New topics for 2020
Post by: hartiberlin on April 20, 2020, 10:33:06 PM
Hi all, user Ramset called me and proposed with user EmJunkie to get a new category and board going.
I just did set this up over here.
This will be a board mostly for builders and the vetting process to finance and verify the hardware builds.
Let´s just start by brainstorming here .
Many thanks.Great new ideas welcome !
Regards, Stefan Stefan. ( Admin)
Title: Re: New topics for 2020
Post by: onepower on April 20, 2020, 11:48:52 PM
Hey hartiberlin

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This will be a board mostly for builders and the vetting process to finance and verify the hardware builds.
Let´s just start by brainstorming here .

It's about time in my opinion...

We all have our differences and our opinions yet there is one truth which remains. The inventors who have spent decades developing and researching real FE technologies are continually being hijacked and gaslighted by corporate interests. They are everywhere including this forum and until such time as we have a proven process to vet or verify who has what and why then act on it we will forever be behind the technology curve.

In effect there are more forces designed to ensure we fail than there are to move us forward. This forum could be that place so long as there are checks and balances in place and due diligence. What many do not understand is timelines... the right place, the right time, the right concept and the right people. Do this and there is no stopping FE however I and most other inventors I know have no interests in half baked non-solutions.

As such the first step is a plan, a bullet proof plan... any suggestions?.

Regards
Title: Re: New topics for 2020
Post by: citfta on April 21, 2020, 02:03:44 AM
Hi Stefan,


I like this idea very much.  I have one suggestion.  I am not sure how this could be implemented but I think anytime a builder starts a thread about what he or she is working on they should be given moderator status for that thread.  I have seen so many threads derailed by nitpickers and naysayers that the builder just gives up and goes away.  If a builder knows he is going to have some control over the thread he is starting then I think most builders would be more likely to want to share what they are working on.


I don't know if the forum software could be adapted for this section so a thread starter is automatically the moderator or if you would need to appoint someone you trust with the ability to give the thread starters moderator privileges.


Respectfully,
Carroll
Title: Re: New topics for 2020
Post by: Thaelin on April 21, 2020, 02:28:06 AM
This is a wonderful idea right out of the gate. So many peeps have been driven off and ridiculed  to the point of never sharing anything more. In fact they have refused flatly any more contact. I dread the day that I have to share a breakthrough. I am not one to handle direct attacks well.
 
I just got through checking into Scientific Linux to see what the new release was all about. It was created by Fermi Labs as a tool for them to log and communicate their findings with. I was appalled to see that it was made mandatory that the machine it ran on was considered a "federal computer" and so it was and all on it could be viewed and copied by the gov. Wanted to try and set up a regulated place to share findings and convey any disagreements in a fashion that was conducive to seeking out the truth. That was a big loss for all of us.


The constant attacks that have been the norm can not bring on positive directions in whatever topic being discussed. When I see 5 peeps ganging up on one person, it distracts from moving forward.


One other point I would like to foster, if someone is going to replicate a design, follow the design and not just throw together a build with what is at hand. You are just sealing your failure before you start. So many builds have nothing in common with the original.


thay

Title: Re: New topics for 2020
Post by: Jimboot on April 21, 2020, 07:54:24 AM
Thanks Stefan and thanks for keeping this running for so many years. I think the main problem builders run into on this and other forums are simply communication issues. I think most of us that work on these things tend to be passionate about it. Let's face it you have to be. That boils over pretty easily sometimes . Staying on topic in the thread, sticking to the data and not prejudging are critical. Having a voice or vid chat with someone can very quickly clear up a lot of issues or misconceptions between people.


It looks like the next "oil war" has been delayed so hopefully there will be less harrassment that Onepower referred to.
Title: Re: New topics for 2020
Post by: Atti2 on April 21, 2020, 08:13:11 AM
Hi.

I think if there is a goal in construction then failures are inevitable.
So if there isn’t as good a measurement result as I would like, even that thought can be carried on.
If you have a theory and are associated with some independent builder, you can learn from them. Focusing on the next experiment. It doesn't matter what the result is.
But if the result is not good and someone takes the issue as a grievance, then the construction will not get ahead.
It is not possible to say only by faith: but there is extra energy.
This must also be proved. Unfortunately, this is part of the truth.
The other issue is that there is a lot of work to be done for it.
So. In my opinion, it would be best if as many people as possible shared their results, even if it seemed worthless. I would start too. Topic Partnered Output Coils. Purpose: to have energy production even when switched off. This is indicated by the asymmetry.
I will be coming up with another setting soon as my time allows.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=Wy1biXZKNNY&feature=emb_logo

Nagy Attila.
Title: Re: New topics for 2020
Post by: Atti2 on April 21, 2020, 08:16:18 AM
So the point is, you have to work hard for it!
Title: Re: New topics for 2020
Post by: EMJunkie on April 21, 2020, 08:20:18 AM
So the point is, you have to work hard for it!


Atti - You are exactly right! You have to want it and be willing to work for it! No should have to twist another's arm!

Many of my members will be willing to help, as long as there is Moderation. Keep the Haters out, the doubters distraction to a minimum!

Together we can do this! Together we can make a difference! Together we can change our Future, simply by being a part of History!

I would like to point out, we have a historical record to follow:

Don Smith:

https://youtu.be/4qqQarHd74s


The MEG Team:

https://youtu.be/no50_5iSr2Y


If we work together, we can solve the problems we have faced, the fiddling part of this Tech! Its not easy to get the best result, the tech its self is extremely simple! But getting the Machine to perform at optimum is a bit fiddly!

Asymmetry! This is how you need to think! Like Links in a Chain, but the Links all doing different things, not linking the chain as you would expect.

   1: Secondary Opposes the Primary!
   2: Tertiary Opposes the Secondary!
   3: Tertiary Assists the Primary!

This must all be done in Magnetic Resonance, aiming for maximum Voltage Amplitude, because: I = V / R, Ohms Law, but remembering your Input is Off greater than 90% of the Time, your Shaft Torque: T = F * r * sin(theta), so to speak is between the Secondary and Tertiary Coil when your Input is Off.

See below images for more information:

Best wishes,
   Chris Sykes

Title: Re: New topics for 2020
Post by: Jimboot on April 21, 2020, 08:27:23 AM

Atti - You are exactly right! You have to want it and be willing to work for it! No should have to twist another's arm!

Many of my members will be willing to help, as long as there is Moderation. Keep the Haters out, the doubters distraction to a minimum!

Together we can do this! Together we can make a difference! Together we can change our Future, simply by being a part of History!

I would like to point out, we have a historical record to follow:

Don Smith:

https://youtu.be/4qqQarHd74s (https://youtu.be/4qqQarHd74s)


The MEG Team:

https://youtu.be/no50_5iSr2Y (https://youtu.be/no50_5iSr2Y)


See below images for more information:

Best wishes,
   Chris Sykes
A terrorist and a freedom fighter can be the same person to different people. I find it's best to avoid the labelling altogether. Hope you are well.
Title: Re: New topics for 2020
Post by: EMJunkie on April 21, 2020, 09:01:18 AM
A terrorist and a freedom fighter can be the same person to different people. I find it's best to avoid the labelling altogether. Hope you are well.

Hey Jimboot,

I hope, together, we can push past labels and all just be Human! Our Future is going to be glorious! If we can just make it in one piece! Energy is the start, Manufacturing with Zero Waste is the next challenge!

Stay well and stay safe! Everyone stay well and stay safe!

Best wishes,
   Chris Sykes
Title: Re: New topics for 2020
Post by: EMJunkie on April 21, 2020, 09:13:32 AM
This is a wonderful idea right out of the gate. So many peeps have been driven off and ridiculed  to the point of never sharing anything more. In fact they have refused flatly any more contact. I dread the day that I have to share a breakthrough. I am not one to handle direct attacks well.
 
I just got through checking into Scientific Linux to see what the new release was all about. It was created by Fermi Labs as a tool for them to log and communicate their findings with. I was appalled to see that it was made mandatory that the machine it ran on was considered a "federal computer" and so it was and all on it could be viewed and copied by the gov. Wanted to try and set up a regulated place to share findings and convey any disagreements in a fashion that was conducive to seeking out the truth. That was a big loss for all of us.


The constant attacks that have been the norm can not bring on positive directions in whatever topic being discussed. When I see 5 peeps ganging up on one person, it distracts from moving forward.


One other point I would like to foster, if someone is going to replicate a design, follow the design and not just throw together a build with what is at hand. You are just sealing your failure before you start. So many builds have nothing in common with the original.


thay


Thay, My Friend, lets keep that from happening!

Lets try to keep Motivation High, keep others wanting to be involved and participate!

Stefan, Chet and I, together we can stop the slander and bullying, personal attacks and harassment! Then progress can occur! Working together for a common goal! Its so important right now!

I have thick skin, but enough of the above, can get at those even with thick skin!

Lets do this, lets be strong, together!

Exactly! Yes, there must be a level of replication that must match the actual initial design goals, or failure will be evident! Lets all help each other and get this ball rolling!

I know in the past some members were moderated due to a big issue occurring. If you want to be part of this, you have two options, either PM Stefan, Chet or myself and we will try to organise your moderation be removed. Or if you wish, become a member on my forum! I will be there and here. My team come first, but I will help everyone where I can! We need as many as we can get onto this!

Best wishes,
   Chris Sykes
Title: Re: New topics for 2020
Post by: Raycathode on April 21, 2020, 10:07:18 AM
Hi Stefan,


I like this idea very much.  I have one suggestion.  I am not sure how this could be implemented but I think anytime a builder starts a thread about what he or she is working on they should be given moderator status for that thread.  I have seen so many threads derailed by nitpickers and naysayers that the builder just gives up and goes away.  If a builder knows he is going to have some control over the thread he is starting then I think most builders would be more likely to want to share what they are working on.


I don't know if the forum software could be adapted for this section so a thread starter is automatically the moderator or if you would need to appoint someone you trust with the ability to give the thread starters moderator privileges.


Respectfully,
Carroll
Yeah I agree with Caroll here on this one !
so where do i stand in this all this all Chris has ever done is slag me off and hinted racial hate towards me.
i'm not letting him edit my work ! I want my distance from this negative energy.

If I do work here I want my own control.
Title: Re: New topics for 2020
Post by: EMJunkie on April 21, 2020, 10:37:54 AM
Yeah I agree with Caroll here on this one !
so where do i stand in this all this all Chris has ever done is slag me off and hinted racial hate towards me.
i'm not letting him edit my work ! I want my distance from this negative energy.

If I do work here I want my own control.


Raycathode - Please feel free to contact Stefan and request moderation status on your threads.

Best wishes,
   Chris Sykes
Title: Re: New topics for 2020
Post by: Jimboot on April 22, 2020, 01:56:16 AM

There is only a need to moderate under several situations:

   1: Haters come and post unnecessary posts that have no bearing on the topic at hand!
   2: Doubters come and distract / detract from the topic at hand!
   3: Slanderous or bemeaning posts towards others that are unnecessary!

Sorry Chris,
Your language is too emotive for me to be involved in this thread. Use of words like Haters or not accepting of doubt is no way to conduct research. No disrespect and I wish you all the best. This is enough to make me not want to participate. Count me out Stefan.
Title: Re: New topics for 2020
Post by: EMJunkie on April 22, 2020, 02:11:54 AM
Sorry Chris,
Your language is too emotive for me to be involved in this thread. Use of words like Haters or not accepting of doubt is no way to conduct research. No disrespect and I wish you all the best. This is enough to make me not want to participate. Count me out Stefan.


No need to explain Jimboot,

You have to do what you have to do!


Quote from: Famous Aircraft Designer Burt Rutan

Testing leads to failure, and failure leads to understanding.
 

Research should be defined as, doing something, where half of the people think its impossible, impossible! And half of them think, ehr, maybe that will work.
 

When there's ever a break through, a true break through, you can go back, and find a time period when the consensus was, well that's non-sense! So what that means, is that a true creative researcher, has to have confidence in non-sense!



Healthy debate is encouraged, time wasters and distractors to be moderated. The goal, again, is to keep a focus on progress. No Bullying, no Slander, we want to make it safe for people to join in and make progress without being harassed.

Its all about an Understanding.

Best wishes,
   Chris Sykes

P.S: Sorry if you found my choice of words "emotive"! I meant this as a reassurance for others wanting to join in.
Title: Re: New topics for 2020
Post by: EMJunkie on April 23, 2020, 12:34:49 AM

We aim to protect Builders wanting to learn, from harassment, from off topic pointless debate, the really unnecessary posts, and protect people from personal Attack! one of the biggest problems on all forums!

If you want to join in, if we get enough interest, then please post your intention of interest here.

Best wishes,
   Chris Sykes
Title: Re: New topics for 2020
Post by: kampen on April 23, 2020, 07:59:00 PM
Dear Chris,
Please count me in, I am a builder now retired so time and financial independent.
Looking forward to this project.
Greetings, Alex
Title: Re: New topics for 2020
Post by: Floor on April 30, 2020, 02:08:18 AM
Is there anyone reading this who has not first hand witnessed O.U for their self ?
But who also is very sure they want to.
 
Seems to me that there are at least a few methods / devices already presented on this forum, which are over unity.

I have not built / replicated this dual mechanical oscillation device.  @

https://overunity.com/1763/12-times-more-output-than-input-dual-mechanical-oscillation-system/

So I cannot say absolutely, but it appears to me, to be a valid method of cyclically harvesting energy from gravity and / or magnets.

As a Proof of O.U. or at least as a proof of cyclical free energy from a gravity device it is...
 
1. Simple enough to build, but perhaps a little tricky to properly tune the oscillations.

2. Simple enough to PRECISELY replicate.

3. Simple enough to measure the in to out.

Seems also to me that this would be a good first device / test for this topic.

  floor
Title: Re: New topics for 2020
Post by: conradelektro on April 30, 2020, 05:15:03 PM
https://overunity.com/1763/12-times-more-output-than-input-dual-mechanical-oscillation-system/ (https://overunity.com/1763/12-times-more-output-than-input-dual-mechanical-oscillation-system/)

At least it is cyclical energy from a gravity device
 
1. Simple enough to build, but perhaps a little tricky to properly tune the oscillations.

2. Simple enough to PRECISELY replicate.

3. Simple enough to measure the in to out.

The Milkovic-Pendulum is practical (e.g. for pumping water), but it is not free energy, one has to put more energy in than one gets out. But one can put in the energy in a handy way, by pushing a weight horizontally instead of lifting it vertically. Pushing seems easier to a human than lifting.

You do not need anybody to help you build such a pendulum. Look at the videos at http://www.veljkomilkovic.com/OscilacijeEng.html#videolinks (http://www.veljkomilkovic.com/OscilacijeEng.html#videolinks) and you will be able to build one. Most parts can be made from wood and for a first try you do not even need bearings, just holes in wood for the axles. The axles can be steel bolts. The weights could be stones in a sack or any steel parts you can find, even plastic bottles filled with water.

The mathematics for calculations are difficult and not feasible for a layman. The result is not a formula, but an approximation by help of numerical calculations done with a computer. Therefore the mysteries.

Greetings, Conrad
Title: Re: New topics for 2020
Post by: ramset on April 30, 2020, 10:01:48 PM
Note from Stefan

, I can start a new board in this 2020 category for each builder and set this builder as the moderator,so he will controll the whole board...end quote

 respectfully Chet K
 PS,there may be other open source categories ...having to do with medical or health and how to stretch resources and help those in need

and perhaps growing food indoors [micro greens etc

For clarity moderator status is not always about behavior...organizing the Data/material.... also important from presenters perspective