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Title: Dr.Steven Greer "Close encounters movie 4/7/20
Post by: ramset on April 05, 2020, 06:09:23 PM
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCC6B4Y0oFACv9QBlf0ebBcg
Presented by Dr. Steven Greer, Close Encounters of the Fifth Kind presents the most controversial information ever released to the public. Whistleblowers and scientific experts bring viewers face to face with extraterrestrial visitors and their message to humanity. Available to watch April 7th, 2020.
Respectfully submitted
Chet K
Title: Re: Dr.Steven Greer "Close encounters movie 4/7/20
Post by: ramset on April 07, 2020, 07:06:31 AM
Premier today 5pm ? Eastern time US
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8C5crBuPpAU (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8C5crBuPpAU)
Title: Re: Dr.Steven Greer "Close encounters movie 4/7/20
Post by: ramset on April 08, 2020, 12:58:56 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbTzkWmy6Ws

Title: Re: Dr.Steven Greer "Close encounters movie 4/7/20
Post by: Thaelin on April 08, 2020, 05:00:29 PM
   Since I have watched his other stuff, thought I would go look for the vid and check it out.  $30 bucks to watch? That never was before. Am I wrong here?  That just doesn't sound like Greer to me. Another said that the Vimeo servers were down. More fight and static? So afraid of the truth they are? If "they" are here, then it is only time before we do know. Just do it.
Title: Re: Dr.Steven Greer "Close encounters movie 4/7/20
Post by: ramset on April 08, 2020, 05:14:11 PM
30 Dollars ??

I was looking for info/actual movie  somebody said Itunes ??
maybe Stefan can do a "show" [does he have a theater/spot ??

I know when certain things are for education and science .... some rules can be  ??
Title: Re: Dr.Steven Greer "Close encounters movie 4/7/20
Post by: conradelektro on April 08, 2020, 06:45:36 PM
Ultimately UFOlogy is about making money. And because the aliens will not pay up, it is the humans who will have to give money to the UFOlogist.

Do not tell me, you are surprised?

Greetings, Conrad
Title: Re: Dr.Steven Greer "Close encounters movie 4/7/20
Post by: Thaelin on April 08, 2020, 07:18:59 PM
I was off a bit on the price. Amazon Prime is $14.95 to buy it. The people out there crowd funded this films making to begin with. To the tune of $800,000 and then you have to pay to see it? NOT. I'll watch it when it shows up on Vim or YT for free.
Title: Re: Dr.Steven Greer "Close encounters movie 4/7/20
Post by: ramset on April 08, 2020, 07:37:31 PM
Maybe Stefan can do a "movie night" ?....
ConRad.... Not knowing what is in the movie ?  ...It is hard to agree or disagree with your " implied Agenda for presenter DR.Greer ?...[Money]

 
Albert says...

Condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance
Title: Re: Dr.Steven Greer "Close encounters movie 4/7/20
Post by: onepower on April 08, 2020, 09:31:42 PM
Conrad
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Ultimately UFOlogy is about making money. And because the aliens will not pay up, it is the humans who will have to give money to the UFOlogist.
Do not tell me, you are surprised?

Actually no, and the U.S. Navy has not only shown proof they exist but also admitted they have had programs to study the phenomena for decades. Thus it is no longer speculation in my opinion as the evidence to support the existence of UFO's by thousands of credible sources is overwhelming.

I like to think of it like this, you think your smart?, if I turn off your power your basically hooped and revert back to the stone ages overnight. Thus "Energy" is the only real commodity of value and without it most of mankind would cease to exist. Now what we know of these advanced technologies which power these craft is that they have solved the energy problem. Understand, without energy as fuel or power your just another goat herder gathering wood and hunting furry little woodland animals to survive. These beings and there technology have unlimited energy thus unlimited power and mobility to basically do as they please... unlike you.

So who would you have me believe... you?, lmao. In fact I and most of the people I trust and call my friends have seen these craft first hand which makes your opinion a bit of a joke doesn't it?.
Title: Re: Dr.Steven Greer "Close encounters movie 4/7/20
Post by: conradelektro on April 08, 2020, 09:39:11 PM
Albert says...
Condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance


Whoever Albert is, why is making money something to be condemned? I do not condemn anybody who is making money. Do you condemn Steven Greer? Or do you believe that one can get money from aliens?


Greetings, Conrad
Title: Re: Dr.Steven Greer "Close encounters movie 4/7/20
Post by: conradelektro on April 08, 2020, 10:02:11 PM
Conrad
 These beings and there technology have unlimited energy thus unlimited power and mobility to basically do as they please... unlike you.


You know so much about aliens, what can I say, I am amazed. You do not have to prove it, I believe everything you write. And by the way, I hope you make some money from your beliefs about aliens and their powers. Or do you pay for all that unlimited information?


Greetings, Conrad
Title: Re: Dr.Steven Greer "Close encounters movie 4/7/20
Post by: onepower on April 08, 2020, 11:40:46 PM
Conrad
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You know so much about aliens, what can I say, I am amazed. You do not have to prove it, I believe everything you write. And by the way, I hope you make some money from your beliefs about aliens and their powers. Or do you pay for all that unlimited information?

Like many you seem to be infatuated with money or that someone might make more or less of it. I believe the church is the most wealthy corporation on the planet and they have never shown any proof of there false claims so a few people talking about UFO's is hardly a problem in my opinion. So if were going to talk about money from unsubstantiated claims then we should include all the other claims as well. You don't honestly believe a bearded man in a white dress created the whole universe from nothing do you?. In fact it makes the whole UFO thing seem trivial in comparison.
Title: Re: Dr.Steven Greer "Close encounters movie 4/7/20
Post by: onepower on April 11, 2020, 09:09:46 PM
With respect to alien beings and UFO's...

1)When man stepped onto the moon they were classified as aliens on a foreign planet and we have plans to colonize other planets. Thus to say other beings would not do the same is not only hypocritical but a denial of the facts we already know. As well the fact we exist in a universe with over a billion galaxies each containing trillions of stars with some planets not unlike our own around each star dictates we are not alone.

2)Not that long ago we were basically goat herders living in caves or grass huts and now we have advanced technologies and are visiting other planets. All the facts tell us every year we should evolve and continue to develop new better technologies. Every year people say this is it and every year other people prove them wrong about new technology. Thus evolution and the production of new technology is normal and in the next one thousand years we will develop technologies we cannot even imagine.

3)So when people deny other life in the universe in effect they deny there own existence and when they deny new advanced technologies they deny mankind and there own intelligence. It begs the question... if we can learn new things then why would we think nobody else can?. If everyone is learning new things then why would we think it must end when all the facts we know prove otherwise?.

My belief is that much of mankind has been falsely taught to glorify if not deify there own mortal existence out of fear and greed. God forbid an advanced race with advanced technology should come knocking and tell everyone there not alone and not as great as they believe. Many scholars have thought about this in the past and it may relate to star treks prime directive. We think were all good, responsible and intelligent beings however when most see a UFO they tend to piss there pants, start screaming and shooting at them if possible. Thus the proof we know dictates that were not all that civilized or intelligent yet.

I believe other beings exist and limit interaction with us for the same reasons we limit our interaction with primitive tribes in remote jungles.  It is basically the same response for the same reasons and it should come as no surprise to anyone who has though about it objectively.

Regards
Title: Re: Dr.Steven Greer "Close encounters movie 4/7/20
Post by: ramset on April 12, 2020, 05:18:25 AM
OnePower ...Thinking too much again...your gonna pull a brain muscle or twist an ankle.....
This FE is Our destiny...ready or not...the air on planet earth is cleaner right now than it has been for
most of the last 100 years [or more]....Views not seen do to smog and pollution are popping out everywhere....just a sample of things to come...get with the program !!

Title: Re: Dr.Steven Greer "Close encounters movie 4/7/20
Post by: conradelektro on April 12, 2020, 07:07:17 PM
I believe other beings exist and limit interaction with us for the same reasons we limit our interaction with primitive tribes in remote jungles.  It is basically the same response for the same reasons and it should come as no surprise to anyone who has though about it objectively.

Regards

If one thinks objectively about your theory (i.e. other beings exist and limit interaction with us), one has to come to the conclusion that you cannot know anything about these beings (because they limit interaction also with you and not just with me). Hence, your utterances about these beings must be a figment of your imagination. Or the stories about these beings come from others who dream them up (and you repeat these stories for whatever reason).

Greetings, Conrad (who has been limited by aliens)
Title: Re: Dr.Steven Greer "Close encounters movie 4/7/20
Post by: onepower on April 12, 2020, 08:24:46 PM
Conrad
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If one thinks objectively about your theory (i.e. other beings exist and limit interaction with us), one has to come to the conclusion that you cannot know anything about these beings (because they limit interaction also with you and not just with me).
Hence, your utterances about these beings must be a figment of your imagination. Or the stories about these beings come from others who dream them up (and you repeat these stories for whatever reason).

There have been thousands of credible interactions documented and hundreds of thousands of sightings thus I do not have to rely on my imagination. However it could be a very real possibility that your continued denial of the facts is all in your head.

As I said prior, I have seen UFO's first hand as have a majority of my trusted friends. You see all I have to do is wait as more and more evidence supports my case while you basically have nowhere to run. The evidence for UFO's will continue to grow as it always has and the deniers will look just as foolish as all the people who denied automobiles, airplanes, rockets, global communications and computers.

Here's a little clue negating the most common argument the critics peddle. Many claim UFO's and alien beings cannot be real because it would take an infinite amount of energy to travel the vast distances of space required to get here. As it were, I am an expert in energy systems and from my own sightings and others observations it was noted that these craft can accelerate from zero to over 30,000 mph within one second as I have seen first hand. Not only would the G forces be fatal but the energy required would be astronomical... therefore the problem is not energy.

Energy is a function of work and work is a force acting on a mass causing it to move over a distance. However most do not understand that the only property which defines a mass thus work and energy relating to mass is INERTIA. Understand, inertia is a property of mass not mass in itself and properties can be manipulated. Thus if these advanced beings learned how to manipulate the property of inertia then almost no energy is required to accelerate any mass to any velocity... problem solved.

You see how simple that was, decades of supposedly intelligent people claiming there is no way this can be done and how it violates all our science yet I found a solution in a matter of months using science. It begs the question... what is inertia?, which most seem completely ignorant to and have no clue where to even start. I mean inertia, the universal primary force which dictates the action of every mass, defining the work function and energy yet apparently nobody has a clue. They would presume to tell me how it is and yet they have no idea what the Primary Fields (Magnetic, Electric, Gravic) are nor what Inertia is?. It's a shit show in my opinion.

You have a lot to learn my friend.
Title: Re: Dr.Steven Greer "Close encounters movie 4/7/20
Post by: conradelektro on April 13, 2020, 04:04:03 PM
Energy is a function of work and work is a force acting on a mass causing it to move over a distance. However most do not understand that the only property which defines a mass thus work and energy relating to mass is INERTIA. Understand, inertia is a property of mass not mass in itself and properties can be manipulated. Thus if these advanced beings learned how to manipulate the property of inertia then almost no energy is required to accelerate any mass to any velocity... problem solved.

I wonder from where you got the idea that "inertia is a property of mass not mass in itself and properties can be manipulated". Did the aliens tell you? Or are you just imagining this?

I do not know of any "manipulation of inertia"? Sure, it would be great, but nobody has ever done it or even suggested it seriously. May be the aliens can do it, but they would never tell, according to your own believes.

Again, your writings are based on imagination not facts.

You might have seen things accelerating very fast in the air, but what was that? May be aliens? But how could you verify it if the aliens are "limiting" you and me and everybody?

So, you think you and others saw aliens acceleration in the air. But you can never prove it, because the aliens will not cooperate with you or me or anybody. If the aliens are refusing cooperation proof will not be possible.

You may believe or imagine whatever you want, but do not confuse belief and provable fact.

Greetings, Conrad (who is duped by the aliens like you and everybody else)
Title: Re: Dr.Steven Greer "Close encounters movie 4/7/20
Post by: onepower on April 14, 2020, 06:27:38 PM
Conrad
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I wonder from where you got the idea that "inertia is a property of mass not mass in itself and properties can be manipulated". Did the aliens tell you? Or are you just imagining this?

Logically, we cannot weigh a particle only measure external influences on it so when we say a tangible thing such as a particle has no mass we mean it has no inertia. It's basic physics, we measure mass by measuring the rate of change in velocity(acceleration) due to an external force which relates solely to inertia. For example, when I weigh a bowling ball I'm not measuring mass but the force of gravity on the ball and in space the ball "weighs" nothing. As well, the only way to measure the mass of the ball in space it to apply a force to it then measure how fast it accelerates or changes velocity. The only property of the mass which can resist an acceleration is inertia ergo we are not measuring mass we are measuring the property of inertia to determine the supposed mass. We should not confuse a measure or property of something with the something we are measuring, that's not science.

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You might have seen things accelerating very fast in the air, but what was that? May be aliens? But how could you verify it if the aliens are "limiting" you and me and everybody?
So, you think you and others saw aliens acceleration in the air. But you can never prove it, because the aliens will not cooperate with you or me or anybody. If the aliens are refusing cooperation proof will not be possible.

Oh really?, here is a video from the U.S. Navy which has confirmed UFO's are real and that they have been studying them for decades.
https://www.businessinsider.com/navy-says-release-files-into-ufo-sightings-would-damage-security-2020-1

So you see I don't have to prove anything and we have all the proof we need in my opinion. We have decades of photo's, video, first hand observations like my own and now military/government verification of said facts. Who do you think your trying to fool here Conrad?, you don't honestly think millions of sightings and now factual confirmation are just some vast conspiracy just to fool little old you do you?... that's a little crazy in my opinion.

The jig is up... deal with it.

Regards
Title: Re: Dr.Steven Greer "Close encounters movie 4/7/20
Post by: ramset on April 15, 2020, 05:18:08 PM
Conrad .... :P
Title: Re: Dr.Steven Greer "Close encounters movie 4/7/20
Post by: conradelektro on April 16, 2020, 02:42:23 PM
Oh really?, here is a video from the U.S. Navy which has confirmed UFO's are real and that they have been studying them for decades.
https://www.businessinsider.com/navy-says-release-files-into-ufo-sightings-would-damage-security-2020-1 (https://www.businessinsider.com/navy-says-release-files-into-ufo-sightings-would-damage-security-2020-1)

 Conrad?, you don't honestly think millions of sightings and now factual confirmation are just some vast conspiracy just to fool little old you do you?... that's a little crazy in my opinion.

I followed the UFO-business since I was young (like you I guess) and I was not convinced (as you were convinced).

The video (which you call a confirmation) is typical. There is something, but what is it? For you it is an UFO and for me it is "something which could not be explained".

I allow you to believe and I hope you allow me not to believe. There is nothing more to say. You know it all and I know it all and we came to different conclusions.

Greetings, Conrad
Title: Re: Dr.Steven Greer "Close encounters movie 4/7/20
Post by: onepower on April 18, 2020, 11:46:04 PM
Conrad
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I followed the UFO-business since I was young (like you I guess) and I was not convinced (as you were convinced).

The video (which you call a confirmation) is typical. There is something, but what is it? For you it is an UFO and for me it is "something which could not be explained".

Actually no, I didn't believe in or follow this UFO thing at all until I observed one first hand about 15 years ago, I was 40 at the time. Unlike many I am an Engineer thus when I see the facts I do not deny them, I do research and follow through. As it were I was also introduced to a bizarre new concept called "Free Energy" in my research about UFO's and here I am.

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I allow you to believe and I hope you allow me not to believe. There is nothing more to say. You know it all and I know it all and we came to different conclusions.

You can believe whatever you want my friend, we all have a right to our own personal beliefs and freedom of speech.

However, when someone spreads false beliefs which contradict the facts and may do harm it crosses a line. Here it falls within the public domain and everyone else has an equal right to be critical of the belief and question it. The problem is hypocrites, who believe they can force there beliefs on others and not be criticized in the same way they are critical of others.

Personally I like free speech, open debate and I expect everyone to be critical of me and question my beliefs. I welcome it because I can justify everything I say and believe unlike many others. If I cannot justify it then obviously I shouldn't be saying it and keep it to myself.

Regards
Title: Re: Dr.Steven Greer "Close encounters movie 4/7/20
Post by: onepower on April 22, 2020, 10:10:36 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lxleuekvn04
Dr. Steven Greer CE5 - The Other 1%

It's interesting that Dr.Greer speaks of "coherence" which I have known before in the past. It starts with a simple form of meditation or simply relaxing and clearing our mind of all the superficial things. We could think of this as a "finite space" in which we must remove all that is not required and unwanted so new concepts may enter. In fact it is not easy and the best indicator were on the right track is when everything seems slightly different and our perspective has changed. Things which seemed important are not so much, things which seemed complicated not so much. Find clarity, focus on the objective and see it for what it is beyond our habitual behavior or what people tell us then try something new.

Logically, from the mainstream scientific point of view it shouldn't work however in fact it does. It works for reasons which I think are easy to explain. I would break it down into a line of reason...

1)We cannot understand what we do not know because it is unknown to us.
2)To acknowledge something new can exist is to know it and the first step to understanding it.
3)Imagining new ways of doing things from a new perspective gives new understanding.

Thus the only thing that really matters and moves us forward is learning something new. Not old, not common knowledge or even fringe but something we had never considered before. Which begs the question... how do we imagine something never considered which we cannot imagine?. This comes full circle back to coherence, clarity, focus on a different level/perspective and finally understanding which leads us to building and proving.

Regards
Title: Re: Dr.Steven Greer "Close encounters movie 4/7/20
Post by: onepower on April 23, 2020, 05:43:59 AM
https://siriusdisclosure.com/energy/the-new-earth-incubator-fund/

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We propose a radically new Research and Development project that incorporates the following interlocking strategies:

A Multi-centered R and D Project that is connected via the Internet in real time to share results, EM frequencies, materials, problem solve, etc.
Open Source – No Intellectual Property (IP) or Patents will be pursued at this time, thus allowing for open sharing and feedback from the research community . There can be no hold-backs: all developments, circuits, and operational breakthroughs will be shared in real time with the public and other researchers
Live-Streamed: All labs will be 24/7/365 live streamed so that the public will be invested in the process, share in the results, successes and setbacks. Any attempt to suppress a breakthrough will be neutralized by this and the Open Source policy
A massive PR, multi-media public education effort must be launched that runs simultaneously with the R and D effort so that public consciousness is raised and made ready to rapidly accept and adapt this new energy paradigm. (This needs to include PR/News, Documentaries, Movies based on a true story -no science fiction-and mass social media networking.) Any radical new technology needs an equally transformative media and educational effort for the public, and not just for scientists and policy wonks.
Title: Re: Dr.Steven Greer "Close encounters movie 4/7/20
Post by: onepower on April 23, 2020, 06:49:39 AM
Another interesting article at Dr. Greers website...
https://siriusdisclosure.com/cseti-papers/cosmic-deception-let-the-citizen-beware/

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As immense as that game is, there is a bigger one: Control through fear. As Wernher von Braun related to Dr. Carol Rosin, his spokesperson for the last 4 years of his life, a maniacal machine – the military, industrial, intelligence, laboratory complex – would go from Cold War, to Rogue Nations, to Global Terrorism (the stage we find ourselves at today), to the ultimate trump card: A hoaxed threat from space.

To justify eventually spending trillions of dollars on space weapons, the world would be deceived about a threat from outer space, thus uniting the world in fear, in militarism, and in war.

Sounds familiar doesn't it?. People going on endless diatribes laced with fear about constant threats and how we all need protection and only they can protect us from some unknown enemy. However to be protected also implies one must be subservient or loyal to them and give up a certain amount of freedom and independence in the process. Is it protection... or is it empowering them at our expense?.

As the article suggests, we should always question the motives of anyone who would spread fear which empowers them with control over us and limits our freedom. Personally, based on past experiences when a person claims they know better, I can trust them and they can protect me warning bells start going off and it never ends well. Control through fear... something to think about?.

I like Dr. Greer and he has a large amount of really insightful papers covering many subjects found here...https://siriusdisclosure.com/cseti-papers/

Regards
Title: Re: Dr.Steven Greer "Close encounters movie 4/7/20
Post by: onepower on April 23, 2020, 11:25:37 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klXj198vY4A
"It Will Be The End Of Energy Companies" | The FORBIDDEN Technology of Nikola Tesla

In the opening of the video they quote Tesla.
"No free energy device will ever be allowed to reach the market", Nikola Tesla

I would say hope for the best but plan for the worst case scenario. Obviously doing what other inventors have done in the past has not worked therefore we need a new plan. I think Dr. Greer had the right idea in one of his papers where everything is done out in the open and continually monitored and backed up by multiple parties. A decentralized structure of individual groups working together with everyone in the loop. As such no one person can influence the group and the process can go on if something should happen to someone.

Regards

Title: Re: Dr.Steven Greer "Close encounters movie 4/7/20
Post by: onepower on April 25, 2020, 05:50:59 PM
https://siriusdisclosure.com/cseti-papers/
https://fas.org/blogs/secrecy/2010/10/invention_secrecy_2010/
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Most of the listed technology areas are closely related to military applications.  But some of them range more widely.

Thus, the 1971 list indicates that patents for solar photovoltaic generators were subject to review and possible restriction if the photovoltaics were more than 20% efficient.  Energy conversion systems were likewise subject to review and possible restriction if they offered conversion efficiencies “in excess of 70-80%.”

One may fairly ask if disclosure of such technologies could really have been “detrimental to the national security,” or whether the opposite would be closer to the truth.  One may further ask what comparable advances in technology may be subject to restriction and non-disclosure today.  But no answers are forthcoming, and the invention secrecy system persists with no discernible external review.

So basically any high efficiency energy patent could be deemed secret if it is “detrimental to the national security,”. Strange that any real democracy would not only gag inventors but declare the parameters for secrecy a secret, lol. What a farce and the people in these agencies have zero credibility and should be regarded as criminals in my opinion. They are criminals because they do not serve our interests nor mankind's and they attempt to deceive or obstruct for personal gain which is fraud.

As well, the patent process was not invented to solely protect inventors. The Patent process was invented to benefit mankind by having more people avoid secrecy and share there ideas knowing they had some protection. As such the spirit of all patents is to share ideas openly for the benefit of mankind and any protections or limitations are an after thought. So we should be clear that when the patent office obstructs any Free Energy patents not only is it criminal but also a violation of there mandate and oath of office.

Fortunately there is no law or requirement saying we must patent anything and talking about or sharing FE ideas falls under the laws of free speech. It would seem to me there is little stopping anyone from openly sharing whatever they want within the realm of free speech. What are they going to do, say we cannot talk about certain things like some communist banana republic?... good luck with that.

Regards
Title: Re: Dr.Steven Greer "Close encounters movie 4/7/20
Post by: ramset on April 25, 2020, 06:29:58 PM

Onepower Quote
Fortunately there is no law or requirement saying we must patent anything and talking about or sharing FE ideas falls under the laws of free speech. It would seem to me there is little stopping anyone from openly sharing whatever they want within the realm of free speech.

Regards
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 Sir I did shrink your quote ,since globally we do not all have the same privilege .
I must add...
I like your Musings...Direction..
Title: Re: Dr.Steven Greer "Close encounters movie 4/7/20
Post by: onepower on April 27, 2020, 06:59:24 PM
Finally got a chance to watch Close Encounters of the Fifth Kind... nice.

I found two topics in the movie very interesting.

1) First that the ET's were much more advanced than most think and that they come with a message of peace. It makes sense that beings  more advanced than us have no interest in war like the primates operating the military-industrial complex spreading lies about the ET's. It also makes sense that after decades of failure to brand the ET's as the enemy they now want to create a space force and fake space war. I also find it disturbing that the U.S. military has been unilaterally shooting down space craft in violation of international law. It begs the question, who gave these dumb ass war mongers permission to take such action on behalf of all mankind?. I didn't give them permission nor would I and there action is criminal in my opinion.

2) The upside is something most who have done the research already know. These beings are basically gods, they may in fact be what mankind has always believed to be their gods and there were many in the past. Thus the self-involved and misguided populists down here on Earth are completely out of there league. Apparently these beings have become so advanced over millions of years they can transport there consciousness, form and spacecraft throughout the universe at will. The real irony here is that all those god fearing believer's are in effect waging a war against there own god which cannot end well. They come in peace, then mankind pissed there pants and started shooting... well played.

In my opinion the bigger message is that were better than this and better than those spreading fear and contempt for petty profits. We are better and we must do better if we are to move forward and evolve.

Regards
Title: Re: Dr.Steven Greer "Close encounters movie 4/7/20
Post by: onepower on April 28, 2020, 05:15:09 PM
https://globalnews.ca/news/6873561/ufo-videos-pentagon-declassified/
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The US Department of Defense has released three declassified videos of "unexplained aerial phenomena".
The Pentagon says it can explain three previously leaked videos of supposed UFOs, and the explanation is simple: they’re real, and they’re still a total mystery.

Big news today and the pentagon just destroyed all the UFO critics arguments in one fell swoop... UFO's are real.

In my opinion the people who have an open mind and can actually look at a subject objectively all knew this was coming. The fact is the critics arguments were always weak at best, weather balloons, swamp gas or mass hallucination, really?. It's almost pathetic when we think about it because the critics supposed explanations were more unbelievable than the actual phenomena. So let me get this straight, you think a weather balloon can accelerate from zero to 30,000 mph and leave Earth's atmosphere in under a second?, *facepalm*. So we should be clear that the critics arguments were always a joke and now the truth is out.

I think it's awesome and the first step to moving forward is acknowledging that we have a problem and we were mistaken. So now that we know as a fact the UFO phenomena is real we can concentrate on what they are and how they work.

Regards



Title: Re: Dr.Steven Greer "Close encounters movie 4/7/20
Post by: conradelektro on April 29, 2020, 07:17:44 PM
https://globalnews.ca/news/6873561/ufo-videos-pentagon-declassified/ (https://globalnews.ca/news/6873561/ufo-videos-pentagon-declassified/)
Big news today and the pentagon just destroyed all the UFO critics arguments in one fell swoop... UFO's are real.

For me these videos prove that lizards from inner earth are flying sometimes in the atmosphere, because it is boring in inner earth.

They must be lizards because they fly in a crazy way and they are from inner earth because one normally does not see them on outer earth.

Some people have been allowed to go to inner earth and lizard-people from inner earth can disguise as normal people.

Here is proof: https://www.vox.com/2014/11/5/7158371/lizard-people-conspiracy-theory-explainer (https://www.vox.com/2014/11/5/7158371/lizard-people-conspiracy-theory-explainer)

Of course the believers in lizard people a ridiculed, like the UFO believers. This proves even more that lizard people from inner earth are real. The lizards themselves support the ridicule because that hides them even deeper.

For me lizard people from inner earth are much more credible than UFOs. You should fear them. Nobody has ever been harmed by UFOs (besides allegedly being probed up the rear end), but people are rather often tormented by cold blooded lizard people disguised as humans.

Greetings, Conrad (who has met cold blooded lizard people disguised as humans several times, I even know an Austria politician who is for sure a lizard)
Title: Re: Dr.Steven Greer "Close encounters movie 4/7/20
Post by: onepower on April 30, 2020, 01:52:03 AM
In science we say check your premise check your source.

An internet tabloid website like vox has basically no credibility in my opinion. Thus your trying to compare apples to oranges and not very well I might add.

Title: Re: Dr.Steven Greer "Close encounters movie 4/7/20
Post by: TommeyLReed on April 30, 2020, 02:34:48 AM
This is a big problem today with people who have PHD or other profile like DR. Steven Greer.
He claims to have facts is no different then those using their profile to claim free energy.
When will people stop clowning around and really filter these claims?
If people want the truth of free energy, they will have to debunk the false claims.
Tom


Title: Re: Dr.Steven Greer "Close encounters movie 4/7/20
Post by: Floor on April 30, 2020, 03:49:28 AM
free energy and / or space aliens

There is such a large amount of bogus / dis information on the web, that It couldn't all be debunked
in several life times.

It would be a time wasting and frustrating endeavor to attempt to do so.  Unless one also happens to be just a bit of a frustrated / sadistic / troll, any way.

People can either rely upon an authority, some times a good / reasonable course to follow, or see for their self.

The easy way out is of course to rely upon authority.
..................
Problem 1 / example 1. ....   

In part due to a rebellion against rote learning  and authoritarian teaching institutions.

Amazing numbers of people
1. consider it a reasonable possibility
2. accept or even insist that the earth is flat.
3. very small percentage has seen for their self one way or the other.

Problem 2 / example 2. ....

There are real over unity devices and methods.
Authority says this is not so.

Its is almost impossible for most people to see for their self, because the emotional barriers / prejudices / effort needed / implications are too great.  Most cannot stand alone to the extent necessary to see for their self.  Hey, we all have our limitations.
..........
Are there visitors from other worlds ? Most who say there are, don't really Know, nor do they really want to know.  But enjoy the notoriety of being a believer.  So Ok...

Most seekers are just seekers, not finders.  Finding might change things too much (shudder).

  peace out
Title: Re: Dr.Steven Greer "Close encounters movie 4/7/20
Post by: onepower on May 01, 2020, 05:44:00 AM
Tom
Quote
This is a big problem today with people who have PHD or other profile like DR. Steven Greer.
He claims to have facts is no different then those using their profile to claim free energy.
When will people stop clowning around and really filter these claims?

Dr. Greer has setup a professional organization with many very credible and intelligent people who have gathered and archived decades of photographic evidence, video and testimony from literally thousands of people.

You cannot lump some redneck inventor who has never shown a real FE device let alone has a clue how one actually works into the same category. So you would claim some FE youtuber is on the same level as Dr. Greer operating a large organization routinely in touch with many people in the highest levels of government including presidents?. Maybe you should stop clowning around and at the very least know what your talking about.

Here is a link to the website.
https://siriusdisclosure.com/evidence/

This is a document on breakthrough energy technologies.
https://siriusdisclosure.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Energy.pdf

Regards
Title: Re: Dr.Steven Greer "Close encounters movie 4/7/20
Post by: TommeyLReed on May 01, 2020, 01:35:02 PM
Sounds like a true liberal snowflake comment!

First of all, where have I claimed free energy?

Second, I'm not a red neck!
Anytime you think you would like to challenge me in a build or anything I have no problem making you look like a fool!
Just because you have a PHD or what ever does not mean you are right.
Lets look at the real facts, MONEY! follow the money and you will find most people entertain other with stories and he or she said.
Now kido, if you going to accuse me of making any claims, where are your facts.
Sounds like someone is making money off this BS.

Most of these sighting deal with the falling angels in the book of Enoch, Genesis 6:6 and The Epic of Gilgamesh.
They are not from outer space, but either under water bases  known as USO or dimensional realms. I study UFO for a long time kid, even went to Roswell, so I have real experience in the field.
Calling someone names just shows you have issues.

Tom
Title: Re: Dr.Steven Greer "Close encounters movie 4/7/20
Post by: conradelektro on May 01, 2020, 02:11:42 PM
Dr. Greer has setup a professional organization with many very credible and intelligent people who have gathered and archived decades of photographic evidence, video and testimony from literally thousands of people.

You cannot lump some redneck inventor who has never shown a real FE device let alone has a clue how one actually works into the same category. So you would claim some FE youtuber is on the same level as Dr. Greer operating a large organization routinely in touch with many people in the highest levels of government including presidents?. Maybe you should stop clowning around and at the very least know what your talking about.

Here is a link to the website.
https://siriusdisclosure.com/evidence/ (https://siriusdisclosure.com/evidence/)

This is a document on breakthrough energy technologies.
https://siriusdisclosure.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Energy.pdf (https://siriusdisclosure.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Energy.pdf)


Dr. Greer is a hot air merchant, does not have a large organisation and is not really talking to important people. A redneck inventor is more real, because he does the hot air selling on a smaller scale.


Long live the redneck inventor!


Greetings, Conrad
Title: Re: Dr.Steven Greer "Close encounters movie 4/7/20
Post by: onepower on May 01, 2020, 10:05:27 PM
Tom
Why would you think I was referring to you?, I wasn't.

I was referring to all the redneck FE YouTubers peddling there magnets and lightbulb nonsense. Obviously it's a scam and it's unfair to the real researchers.

Regarding the UFO thing, as I said, I and my friends have seen them first hand and know they are 100% real. We saw it, plain as day first hand so no it's not fake.


Title: Re: Dr.Steven Greer "Close encounters movie 4/7/20
Post by: TommeyLReed on May 01, 2020, 10:42:49 PM
Not a problem and I never said they don't exist.
Evidence of who or what they are is the real question, a great answer goes back to the beginning of time.
The bible tells a lot about our true history and even giants living on the earth some being as tall as 3,000 feet known as the titans.
I personally believe they are evil and took on a physical body that don't look like us.

They are the falling one from above and very intelligent.
As someone who study demonology and the occult in my twenties, I have seen many things. But I also know they won't show up  at your door if you are  a Christian.
So, if demon need a body to live in and possession takes years to break down ones spirit, it make total sense they could have created their own bodies to move around in our realm with technology beyond our imagination.
Tom





Title: Re: Dr.Steven Greer "Close encounters movie 4/7/20
Post by: Magwood on May 02, 2020, 03:44:50 PM
I tend to agree. I enjoy Greer but the more I researched.the whole UFO topic over many years and visited some sites nearby where really big but underrated things happened to innocent everyday people the more I started to lean towards demonic occult activity. This is why I struggle with anything Greer says now. I also find myself turning back to the book of truth for answers, so many now ignore as ancient nonsense and this will be to their own detriment.
Title: Re: Dr.Steven Greer "Close encounters movie 4/7/20
Post by: onepower on May 02, 2020, 04:38:00 PM
I would agree most of this UFO business is way out in left field. If I wanted to discredit the technology I would also build hundreds of bogus websites designed to make the people look like crackpots. The same thing happens with FE and many people and websites are paid to discredit our work.

I find all this UFO and FE stuff very interesting and there is more to it than we know in my opinion.

Regards
Title: Re: Dr.Steven Greer "Close encounters movie 4/7/20
Post by: citfta on May 02, 2020, 05:04:18 PM
I also agree that it is very likely the UFO phenomenon is a result of demonic activity.  The book of truth tells us that in the last days there will be a lot of deceptive activity going on.


Respectfully,
Carroll
Title: Re: Dr.Steven Greer "Close encounters movie 4/7/20
Post by: onepower on May 02, 2020, 06:11:15 PM
So some believe ufo's are demonic activity?.

Right, maybe we need to have a good old fashioned book or witch burning to ward the demons off, lol.

We really are returning to the dark ages aren't we?, good grief.
Title: Re: Dr.Steven Greer "Close encounters movie 4/7/20
Post by: Magwood on May 02, 2020, 07:19:29 PM
Dark ages imply a time period. The forces at work have no limit of time just like they aren't effected by inertia. If something exists in all places throughout all time then it's just a matter of removing location 'A' and replace with location 'B'. It is only from our perspective as earthly beings in our dimension that there is even a location of A and B let alone a path or travel distance measurement and time to travel that distance.  Supernatural forces do exist, they never became extinct at any point in 'time' dark ages or future.
Demons and UFOS
One particular UFO case study with multiple witnesses unknown to each other and a definite attempt to cover up the full story (and other witness testimony) is the Kelly Cahill (not her real name) case involving abduction, mind control, evil. Not just her. Multiple people on the same night! I even went there to check it out for myself, the story is true, there were other witnesses who are in professional careers in tue spotlight who at the last minute chose not to allow their interviews to be made public. There's heaps more to this story than what was briefly mentioned on Xfiles and in the media at the time. This is real as it gets and is EVIL. Evil only works through human actions and influence over the mind to carry out its will.
Title: Re: Dr.Steven Greer "Close encounters movie 4/7/20
Post by: conradelektro on May 02, 2020, 08:33:23 PM
I also agree that it is very likely the UFO phenomenon is a result of demonic activity.

Demonic activity, reptiles from drako and/or inner earth, the russians, the chinese, the Bilderbergers, german nazis form antarctica, secret projects of some US government agency, beings from another planet, Austrian air craft (may be not). Whatever, we do not know, and that is all we know. Therefore the many wild theories and the quarrel about them.

What do I believe about UFOs? It is not about believe, it is a question of data, which nobody has. I believe in data.

Greetings, Conrad
Title: Re: Dr.Steven Greer "Close encounters movie 4/7/20
Post by: onepower on May 03, 2020, 07:35:31 PM
Oh the data...
You mean like all the data and video from the navy fighter jet tracking a real UFO with military grade sensor technology?.  The video and the data do not lie.
Title: Re: Dr.Steven Greer "Close encounters movie 4/7/20
Post by: conradelektro on May 03, 2020, 07:55:45 PM
Oh the data...
You mean like all the data and video from the navy fighter jet tracking a real UFO with military grade sensor technology?.  The video and the data do not lie.

I do not understand why you always write abut these "navy fighter videos". I looked at them and I see that SOMETHING takes off at high speed. But nobody can know WHAT that was.

So, dream whatever you want, but be reasonable. You can not extract more data from the videos than SOMETHING was there, the rest is speculation. You may speculate, but that is not knowing.

Yes, it is my fault that I react to your speculations. I will shut up.

Greetings, Conrad
Title: Re: Dr.Steven Greer "Close encounters movie 4/7/20
Post by: Raycathode on May 03, 2020, 08:00:22 PM
Oh the data...
You mean like all the data and video from the navy fighter jet tracking a real UFO with military grade sensor technology?.  The video and the data do not lie.
Yeah! you need a demonic power for that, buy a swann security system with IR cameras put one in your living room and bedroom
and see what you pick up  8) :o ;D that going put the shits up you!
Title: Re: Dr.Steven Greer "Close encounters movie 4/7/20
Post by: citfta on May 03, 2020, 08:25:27 PM

I do not understand why you always write abut these "navy fighter videos". I looked at them and I see that SOMETHING takes off at high speed. But nobody can know WHAT that was.


So, dream whatever you want, but be reasonable. You can not extract more data from the videos than SOMETHING was there, the rest is speculation. You may speculate, but that is not knowing.


And it does not help to insult me, I am not speculating, you are making claims, not me. Yes, it is my fault that I react to your speculations, but I am reasonable, you are not. But you are free to be as you like. I will shut up, because it is hopeless to talk to a believer, reason is missing.


Greetings, Conrad


Hey Conrad,


What part of unidentified don't you understand?  That video and many many personal sightings all have the same thing in common.  The objects are UNIDENTIFIED.  Do you get it?  They are called UNIDENTIFIED FLYING OBJECTS.  That means they are not IDENTIFIED.  So why do you keep insisting that UFOs do not exist?



Respectfully,
Carroll
Title: Re: Dr.Steven Greer "Close encounters movie 4/7/20
Post by: conradelektro on May 03, 2020, 09:48:23 PM
Hey Conrad,

What part of unidentified don't you understand?  That video and many many personal sightings all have the same thing in common.  The objects are UNIDENTIFIED.  Do you get it?  They are called UNIDENTIFIED FLYING OBJECTS.  That means they are not IDENTIFIED.  So why do you keep insisting that UFOs do not exist?

Respectfully,
Carroll

You have entangled me in a nice word game.

I do indeed understand that these are unidentified flying objects. But I do not understand why one knows that these objects are from another planet or are piloted by aliens or are fabricated by aliens. This is what some claim and what I dispute. The "navy fighter videos" do not allow to draw the conclusion that the word "unidentified" means "alien or extraterrestrial in any way". I might well be, but one can not derive it logically from these videos.

But it is not my task to convince a believer that his belief is not proven. Belief needs no proof.

But if Caroll wants to win an argument, he shall win. I am sure he can prove everything he claims with many words.

Greetings, Conrad
Title: Re: Dr.Steven Greer "Close encounters movie 4/7/20
Post by: TommeyLReed on May 04, 2020, 02:31:55 AM
Many will claim these sightings are from another planet, inner space, outer space, hollow earth , under water, demons, angles or what ever.

The fact is they are unidentified flying something, nobody really knows.
The bible has some information and the book of Enoch also, these are said to be falling angels in the flesh.
In the book of Enoch it talks about falling angles that showed man how to make weapons of war, they also showed women how to look more beautiful with makeup to seduce men.
What ever you like to believe, you would need some evidence to back it up.
Who knows!

Title: Re: Dr.Steven Greer "Close encounters movie 4/7/20
Post by: onepower on May 05, 2020, 08:12:17 AM
Conrad
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I do not understand why you always write abut these "navy fighter videos". I looked at them and I see that SOMETHING takes off at high speed. But nobody can know WHAT that was.

So, dream whatever you want, but be reasonable. You can not extract more data from the videos than SOMETHING was there, the rest is speculation. You may speculate, but that is not knowing.

Yes, it is my fault that I react to your speculations. I will shut up.

Why would you shut up?, you asked a reasonable question not involving gods or evil demons... well done, carry on.

I would agree it is video from a modern military jet of an object or craft seen moving at high speed. However I believe that from the sensor/video data which includes velocity, direction etc. they concluded it was moving at around 20,000 mph or so. Do you see the problem?, yes it was a craft of some sort which may or may not have been piloted by who knows what. That is not the point, we have data thus facts to prove there are unidentified craft doing things which defy our understanding of physics similar to free energy... this is my point.

Sure some connect UFO's and aliens however I have never seen an alien only a UFO so I do not know if aliens exist. Personally I think people lose it when someone say's "alien" because the supposed aliens would obviously know all about our past... wink, wink. You know, our beginning, the god religion debate, dinosaurs, pyramids and all the other stuff. So if aliens did exist obviously they would represent a real threat to most peoples beliefs because they would know the real truth about our past versus all the nonsense most believe.

So nobody wants to open that can of worms because it's kind of like star treks prime directive. Only in this case the aliens are captain kirk and we are the semi primates basically cowering in the dark afraid of our own shadow. Do you think capain kirk would piss his pants and start shooting at something he didn't understand, case closed. You see if one is going to claim to be an advanced race then one must act like it while we generally act more tribal like apes.

Regards


 



Title: Re: Dr.Steven Greer "Close encounters movie 4/7/20
Post by: ramset on May 05, 2020, 05:08:26 PM
Onepower..what is this "Shoot them down stuff " ??
who shot what down ....?
sorry if I don't follow all the "info" ...but just following your thoughts on how advanced"they" could be ??
how could this be possible ?30,000 MPH in less that one second ??seems UFO could fly back around the attacking craft and throttle way back... slow down and look at the bullets being thrown by whomever ??
Never sat right with me ..this " shot them down stuff"...
I would understand a military feeling threatened by unresponsive "thing" in a sensitive area.
I suspect finding someone in your home uninvited would probably have similar effect on you ?
Title: Re: Dr.Steven Greer "Close encounters movie 4/7/20
Post by: Raycathode on May 05, 2020, 05:45:22 PM
Conrad
Why would you shut up?, you asked a reasonable question not involving gods or evil demons... well done, carry on.

I would agree it is video from a modern military jet of an object or craft seen moving at high speed. However I believe that from the sensor/video data which includes velocity, direction etc. they concluded it was moving at around 20,000 mph or so. Do you see the problem?, yes it was a craft of some sort which may or may not have been piloted by who knows what. That is not the point, we have data thus facts to prove there are unidentified craft doing things which defy our understanding of physics similar to free energy... this is my point.

Sure some connect UFO's and aliens however I have never seen an alien only a UFO so I do not know if aliens exist. Personally I think people lose it when someone say's "alien" because the supposed aliens would obviously know all about our past... wink, wink. You know, our beginning, the god religion debate, dinosaurs, pyramids and all the other stuff. So if aliens did exist obviously they would represent a real threat to most peoples beliefs because they would know the real truth about our past versus all the nonsense most believe.

So nobody wants to open that can of worms because it's kind of like star treks prime directive. Only in this case the aliens are captain kirk and we are the semi primates basically cowering in the dark afraid of our own shadow. Do you think capain kirk would piss his pants and start shooting at something he didn't understand, case closed. You see if one is going to claim to be an advanced race then one must act like it while we generally act more tribal like apes.

So nobody wants to open that can of worms because it's kind of like star treks prime directive. Only in this case the aliens are captain kirk and we are the semi primates basically cowering in the dark afraid of our own shadow. Do you think capain kirk would piss his pants and start shooting at something he didn't understand, case closed. You see if one is going to claim to be an advanced race then one must act like it while we generally act more tribal like apes.

Yeah Death Vader Reticulli, aren’t we supposed to be mates with them from Planet Serpio.
Din’t you watch full metal jacket ? Them with guns need em shoving up there where the sun don’t shine cus it's revealed
They all cheared in the cinama when that GI shot loud mouth sargent bully more !l
loads of psycho countries with Norman Bates type control invested in Sars and (Covid-bat 19).
Title: Re: Dr.Steven Greer "Close encounters movie 4/7/20
Post by: onepower on May 06, 2020, 04:37:47 PM
Ramset
Quote
Onepower..what is this "Shoot them down stuff " ??
who shot what down ....?
sorry if I don't follow all the "info" ...but just following your thoughts on how advanced"they" could be ??
how could this be possible ?30,000 MPH in less that one second ??seems UFO could fly back around the attacking craft and throttle way back... slow down and look at the bullets being thrown by whomever ??
Never sat right with me ..this " shot them down stuff"...

In the close encounters documentary they showed video of a UFO in orbit above the Earth, the UFO then moved and an energy beam can be seen coming from Earth past where the UFO was. The problem here is that space is neutral territory thus when the U.S., I presume, fired on the craft they broke international laws. However as we know the U.S. government never really gave a shit about human rights or international laws. In any case I consider there action criminal.

Quote
I would understand a military feeling threatened by unresponsive "thing" in a sensitive area.
I suspect finding someone in your home uninvited would probably have similar effect on you ?

In my home maybe, something unknown in my air space or in orbit not so much. Who are they to claim ownership or right to Earths atmosphere or space?. Those half-wit rednecks need to stop firing upon craft in neutral territory, more so on craft which may contain living beings with no intent to harm anyone. As I said, this is and should be considered unjustified hostility and a criminal act in violation of international law.

Regards