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Author Topic: Dr.Steven Greer "Close encounters movie 4/7/20  (Read 5491 times)

Offline onepower

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Re: Dr.Steven Greer "Close encounters movie 4/7/20
« Reply #15 on: April 12, 2020, 08:24:46 PM »
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If one thinks objectively about your theory (i.e. other beings exist and limit interaction with us), one has to come to the conclusion that you cannot know anything about these beings (because they limit interaction also with you and not just with me).
Hence, your utterances about these beings must be a figment of your imagination. Or the stories about these beings come from others who dream them up (and you repeat these stories for whatever reason).

There have been thousands of credible interactions documented and hundreds of thousands of sightings thus I do not have to rely on my imagination. However it could be a very real possibility that your continued denial of the facts is all in your head.

As I said prior, I have seen UFO's first hand as have a majority of my trusted friends. You see all I have to do is wait as more and more evidence supports my case while you basically have nowhere to run. The evidence for UFO's will continue to grow as it always has and the deniers will look just as foolish as all the people who denied automobiles, airplanes, rockets, global communications and computers.

Here's a little clue negating the most common argument the critics peddle. Many claim UFO's and alien beings cannot be real because it would take an infinite amount of energy to travel the vast distances of space required to get here. As it were, I am an expert in energy systems and from my own sightings and others observations it was noted that these craft can accelerate from zero to over 30,000 mph within one second as I have seen first hand. Not only would the G forces be fatal but the energy required would be astronomical... therefore the problem is not energy.

Energy is a function of work and work is a force acting on a mass causing it to move over a distance. However most do not understand that the only property which defines a mass thus work and energy relating to mass is INERTIA. Understand, inertia is a property of mass not mass in itself and properties can be manipulated. Thus if these advanced beings learned how to manipulate the property of inertia then almost no energy is required to accelerate any mass to any velocity... problem solved.

You see how simple that was, decades of supposedly intelligent people claiming there is no way this can be done and how it violates all our science yet I found a solution in a matter of months using science. It begs the question... what is inertia?, which most seem completely ignorant to and have no clue where to even start. I mean inertia, the universal primary force which dictates the action of every mass, defining the work function and energy yet apparently nobody has a clue. They would presume to tell me how it is and yet they have no idea what the Primary Fields (Magnetic, Electric, Gravic) are nor what Inertia is?. It's a shit show in my opinion.

You have a lot to learn my friend.

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Re: Dr.Steven Greer "Close encounters movie 4/7/20
« Reply #16 on: April 13, 2020, 04:04:03 PM »
Energy is a function of work and work is a force acting on a mass causing it to move over a distance. However most do not understand that the only property which defines a mass thus work and energy relating to mass is INERTIA. Understand, inertia is a property of mass not mass in itself and properties can be manipulated. Thus if these advanced beings learned how to manipulate the property of inertia then almost no energy is required to accelerate any mass to any velocity... problem solved.

I wonder from where you got the idea that "inertia is a property of mass not mass in itself and properties can be manipulated". Did the aliens tell you? Or are you just imagining this?

I do not know of any "manipulation of inertia"? Sure, it would be great, but nobody has ever done it or even suggested it seriously. May be the aliens can do it, but they would never tell, according to your own believes.

Again, your writings are based on imagination not facts.

You might have seen things accelerating very fast in the air, but what was that? May be aliens? But how could you verify it if the aliens are "limiting" you and me and everybody?

So, you think you and others saw aliens acceleration in the air. But you can never prove it, because the aliens will not cooperate with you or me or anybody. If the aliens are refusing cooperation proof will not be possible.

You may believe or imagine whatever you want, but do not confuse belief and provable fact.

Greetings, Conrad (who is duped by the aliens like you and everybody else)

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Re: Dr.Steven Greer "Close encounters movie 4/7/20
« Reply #17 on: April 14, 2020, 06:27:38 PM »
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I wonder from where you got the idea that "inertia is a property of mass not mass in itself and properties can be manipulated". Did the aliens tell you? Or are you just imagining this?

Logically, we cannot weigh a particle only measure external influences on it so when we say a tangible thing such as a particle has no mass we mean it has no inertia. It's basic physics, we measure mass by measuring the rate of change in velocity(acceleration) due to an external force which relates solely to inertia. For example, when I weigh a bowling ball I'm not measuring mass but the force of gravity on the ball and in space the ball "weighs" nothing. As well, the only way to measure the mass of the ball in space it to apply a force to it then measure how fast it accelerates or changes velocity. The only property of the mass which can resist an acceleration is inertia ergo we are not measuring mass we are measuring the property of inertia to determine the supposed mass. We should not confuse a measure or property of something with the something we are measuring, that's not science.

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You might have seen things accelerating very fast in the air, but what was that? May be aliens? But how could you verify it if the aliens are "limiting" you and me and everybody?
So, you think you and others saw aliens acceleration in the air. But you can never prove it, because the aliens will not cooperate with you or me or anybody. If the aliens are refusing cooperation proof will not be possible.

Oh really?, here is a video from the U.S. Navy which has confirmed UFO's are real and that they have been studying them for decades.
https://www.businessinsider.com/navy-says-release-files-into-ufo-sightings-would-damage-security-2020-1

So you see I don't have to prove anything and we have all the proof we need in my opinion. We have decades of photo's, video, first hand observations like my own and now military/government verification of said facts. Who do you think your trying to fool here Conrad?, you don't honestly think millions of sightings and now factual confirmation are just some vast conspiracy just to fool little old you do you?... that's a little crazy in my opinion.

The jig is up... deal with it.

Regards

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Re: Dr.Steven Greer "Close encounters movie 4/7/20
« Reply #17 on: April 14, 2020, 06:27:38 PM »
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Re: Dr.Steven Greer "Close encounters movie 4/7/20
« Reply #18 on: April 15, 2020, 05:18:08 PM »
Conrad .... :P

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Re: Dr.Steven Greer "Close encounters movie 4/7/20
« Reply #19 on: April 16, 2020, 02:42:23 PM »
Oh really?, here is a video from the U.S. Navy which has confirmed UFO's are real and that they have been studying them for decades.
https://www.businessinsider.com/navy-says-release-files-into-ufo-sightings-would-damage-security-2020-1

 Conrad?, you don't honestly think millions of sightings and now factual confirmation are just some vast conspiracy just to fool little old you do you?... that's a little crazy in my opinion.

I followed the UFO-business since I was young (like you I guess) and I was not convinced (as you were convinced).

The video (which you call a confirmation) is typical. There is something, but what is it? For you it is an UFO and for me it is "something which could not be explained".

I allow you to believe and I hope you allow me not to believe. There is nothing more to say. You know it all and I know it all and we came to different conclusions.

Greetings, Conrad

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Re: Dr.Steven Greer "Close encounters movie 4/7/20
« Reply #19 on: April 16, 2020, 02:42:23 PM »
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Re: Dr.Steven Greer "Close encounters movie 4/7/20
« Reply #20 on: April 18, 2020, 11:46:04 PM »
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I followed the UFO-business since I was young (like you I guess) and I was not convinced (as you were convinced).

The video (which you call a confirmation) is typical. There is something, but what is it? For you it is an UFO and for me it is "something which could not be explained".

Actually no, I didn't believe in or follow this UFO thing at all until I observed one first hand about 15 years ago, I was 40 at the time. Unlike many I am an Engineer thus when I see the facts I do not deny them, I do research and follow through. As it were I was also introduced to a bizarre new concept called "Free Energy" in my research about UFO's and here I am.

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I allow you to believe and I hope you allow me not to believe. There is nothing more to say. You know it all and I know it all and we came to different conclusions.

You can believe whatever you want my friend, we all have a right to our own personal beliefs and freedom of speech.

However, when someone spreads false beliefs which contradict the facts and may do harm it crosses a line. Here it falls within the public domain and everyone else has an equal right to be critical of the belief and question it. The problem is hypocrites, who believe they can force there beliefs on others and not be criticized in the same way they are critical of others.

Personally I like free speech, open debate and I expect everyone to be critical of me and question my beliefs. I welcome it because I can justify everything I say and believe unlike many others. If I cannot justify it then obviously I shouldn't be saying it and keep it to myself.

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Re: Dr.Steven Greer "Close encounters movie 4/7/20
« Reply #21 on: April 22, 2020, 10:10:36 PM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lxleuekvn04
Dr. Steven Greer CE5 - The Other 1%

It's interesting that Dr.Greer speaks of "coherence" which I have known before in the past. It starts with a simple form of meditation or simply relaxing and clearing our mind of all the superficial things. We could think of this as a "finite space" in which we must remove all that is not required and unwanted so new concepts may enter. In fact it is not easy and the best indicator were on the right track is when everything seems slightly different and our perspective has changed. Things which seemed important are not so much, things which seemed complicated not so much. Find clarity, focus on the objective and see it for what it is beyond our habitual behavior or what people tell us then try something new.

Logically, from the mainstream scientific point of view it shouldn't work however in fact it does. It works for reasons which I think are easy to explain. I would break it down into a line of reason...

1)We cannot understand what we do not know because it is unknown to us.
2)To acknowledge something new can exist is to know it and the first step to understanding it.
3)Imagining new ways of doing things from a new perspective gives new understanding.

Thus the only thing that really matters and moves us forward is learning something new. Not old, not common knowledge or even fringe but something we had never considered before. Which begs the question... how do we imagine something never considered which we cannot imagine?. This comes full circle back to coherence, clarity, focus on a different level/perspective and finally understanding which leads us to building and proving.

Regards

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Re: Dr.Steven Greer "Close encounters movie 4/7/20
« Reply #22 on: April 23, 2020, 05:43:59 AM »
https://siriusdisclosure.com/energy/the-new-earth-incubator-fund/

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We propose a radically new Research and Development project that incorporates the following interlocking strategies:

A Multi-centered R and D Project that is connected via the Internet in real time to share results, EM frequencies, materials, problem solve, etc.
Open Source – No Intellectual Property (IP) or Patents will be pursued at this time, thus allowing for open sharing and feedback from the research community . There can be no hold-backs: all developments, circuits, and operational breakthroughs will be shared in real time with the public and other researchers
Live-Streamed: All labs will be 24/7/365 live streamed so that the public will be invested in the process, share in the results, successes and setbacks. Any attempt to suppress a breakthrough will be neutralized by this and the Open Source policy
A massive PR, multi-media public education effort must be launched that runs simultaneously with the R and D effort so that public consciousness is raised and made ready to rapidly accept and adapt this new energy paradigm. (This needs to include PR/News, Documentaries, Movies based on a true story -no science fiction-and mass social media networking.) Any radical new technology needs an equally transformative media and educational effort for the public, and not just for scientists and policy wonks.

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Re: Dr.Steven Greer "Close encounters movie 4/7/20
« Reply #23 on: April 23, 2020, 06:49:39 AM »
Another interesting article at Dr. Greers website...
https://siriusdisclosure.com/cseti-papers/cosmic-deception-let-the-citizen-beware/

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As immense as that game is, there is a bigger one: Control through fear. As Wernher von Braun related to Dr. Carol Rosin, his spokesperson for the last 4 years of his life, a maniacal machine – the military, industrial, intelligence, laboratory complex – would go from Cold War, to Rogue Nations, to Global Terrorism (the stage we find ourselves at today), to the ultimate trump card: A hoaxed threat from space.

To justify eventually spending trillions of dollars on space weapons, the world would be deceived about a threat from outer space, thus uniting the world in fear, in militarism, and in war.

Sounds familiar doesn't it?. People going on endless diatribes laced with fear about constant threats and how we all need protection and only they can protect us from some unknown enemy. However to be protected also implies one must be subservient or loyal to them and give up a certain amount of freedom and independence in the process. Is it protection... or is it empowering them at our expense?.

As the article suggests, we should always question the motives of anyone who would spread fear which empowers them with control over us and limits our freedom. Personally, based on past experiences when a person claims they know better, I can trust them and they can protect me warning bells start going off and it never ends well. Control through fear... something to think about?.

I like Dr. Greer and he has a large amount of really insightful papers covering many subjects found here...https://siriusdisclosure.com/cseti-papers/

Regards

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Re: Dr.Steven Greer "Close encounters movie 4/7/20
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Re: Dr.Steven Greer "Close encounters movie 4/7/20
« Reply #24 on: April 23, 2020, 11:25:37 PM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klXj198vY4A
"It Will Be The End Of Energy Companies" | The FORBIDDEN Technology of Nikola Tesla

In the opening of the video they quote Tesla.
"No free energy device will ever be allowed to reach the market", Nikola Tesla

I would say hope for the best but plan for the worst case scenario. Obviously doing what other inventors have done in the past has not worked therefore we need a new plan. I think Dr. Greer had the right idea in one of his papers where everything is done out in the open and continually monitored and backed up by multiple parties. A decentralized structure of individual groups working together with everyone in the loop. As such no one person can influence the group and the process can go on if something should happen to someone.

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Re: Dr.Steven Greer "Close encounters movie 4/7/20
« Reply #25 on: April 25, 2020, 05:50:59 PM »
https://siriusdisclosure.com/cseti-papers/
https://fas.org/blogs/secrecy/2010/10/invention_secrecy_2010/
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Most of the listed technology areas are closely related to military applications.  But some of them range more widely.

Thus, the 1971 list indicates that patents for solar photovoltaic generators were subject to review and possible restriction if the photovoltaics were more than 20% efficient.  Energy conversion systems were likewise subject to review and possible restriction if they offered conversion efficiencies “in excess of 70-80%.”

One may fairly ask if disclosure of such technologies could really have been “detrimental to the national security,” or whether the opposite would be closer to the truth.  One may further ask what comparable advances in technology may be subject to restriction and non-disclosure today.  But no answers are forthcoming, and the invention secrecy system persists with no discernible external review.

So basically any high efficiency energy patent could be deemed secret if it is “detrimental to the national security,”. Strange that any real democracy would not only gag inventors but declare the parameters for secrecy a secret, lol. What a farce and the people in these agencies have zero credibility and should be regarded as criminals in my opinion. They are criminals because they do not serve our interests nor mankind's and they attempt to deceive or obstruct for personal gain which is fraud.

As well, the patent process was not invented to solely protect inventors. The Patent process was invented to benefit mankind by having more people avoid secrecy and share there ideas knowing they had some protection. As such the spirit of all patents is to share ideas openly for the benefit of mankind and any protections or limitations are an after thought. So we should be clear that when the patent office obstructs any Free Energy patents not only is it criminal but also a violation of there mandate and oath of office.

Fortunately there is no law or requirement saying we must patent anything and talking about or sharing FE ideas falls under the laws of free speech. It would seem to me there is little stopping anyone from openly sharing whatever they want within the realm of free speech. What are they going to do, say we cannot talk about certain things like some communist banana republic?... good luck with that.

Regards

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Re: Dr.Steven Greer "Close encounters movie 4/7/20
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Re: Dr.Steven Greer "Close encounters movie 4/7/20
« Reply #26 on: April 25, 2020, 06:29:58 PM »

Onepower Quote
Fortunately there is no law or requirement saying we must patent anything and talking about or sharing FE ideas falls under the laws of free speech. It would seem to me there is little stopping anyone from openly sharing whatever they want within the realm of free speech.

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 Sir I did shrink your quote ,since globally we do not all have the same privilege .
I must add...
I like your Musings...Direction..

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Re: Dr.Steven Greer "Close encounters movie 4/7/20
« Reply #27 on: April 27, 2020, 06:59:24 PM »
Finally got a chance to watch Close Encounters of the Fifth Kind... nice.

I found two topics in the movie very interesting.

1) First that the ET's were much more advanced than most think and that they come with a message of peace. It makes sense that beings  more advanced than us have no interest in war like the primates operating the military-industrial complex spreading lies about the ET's. It also makes sense that after decades of failure to brand the ET's as the enemy they now want to create a space force and fake space war. I also find it disturbing that the U.S. military has been unilaterally shooting down space craft in violation of international law. It begs the question, who gave these dumb ass war mongers permission to take such action on behalf of all mankind?. I didn't give them permission nor would I and there action is criminal in my opinion.

2) The upside is something most who have done the research already know. These beings are basically gods, they may in fact be what mankind has always believed to be their gods and there were many in the past. Thus the self-involved and misguided populists down here on Earth are completely out of there league. Apparently these beings have become so advanced over millions of years they can transport there consciousness, form and spacecraft throughout the universe at will. The real irony here is that all those god fearing believer's are in effect waging a war against there own god which cannot end well. They come in peace, then mankind pissed there pants and started shooting... well played.

In my opinion the bigger message is that were better than this and better than those spreading fear and contempt for petty profits. We are better and we must do better if we are to move forward and evolve.

Regards

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Re: Dr.Steven Greer "Close encounters movie 4/7/20
« Reply #28 on: April 28, 2020, 05:15:09 PM »
https://globalnews.ca/news/6873561/ufo-videos-pentagon-declassified/
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The US Department of Defense has released three declassified videos of "unexplained aerial phenomena".
The Pentagon says it can explain three previously leaked videos of supposed UFOs, and the explanation is simple: they’re real, and they’re still a total mystery.

Big news today and the pentagon just destroyed all the UFO critics arguments in one fell swoop... UFO's are real.

In my opinion the people who have an open mind and can actually look at a subject objectively all knew this was coming. The fact is the critics arguments were always weak at best, weather balloons, swamp gas or mass hallucination, really?. It's almost pathetic when we think about it because the critics supposed explanations were more unbelievable than the actual phenomena. So let me get this straight, you think a weather balloon can accelerate from zero to 30,000 mph and leave Earth's atmosphere in under a second?, *facepalm*. So we should be clear that the critics arguments were always a joke and now the truth is out.

I think it's awesome and the first step to moving forward is acknowledging that we have a problem and we were mistaken. So now that we know as a fact the UFO phenomena is real we can concentrate on what they are and how they work.

Regards




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Re: Dr.Steven Greer "Close encounters movie 4/7/20
« Reply #29 on: April 29, 2020, 07:17:44 PM »
https://globalnews.ca/news/6873561/ufo-videos-pentagon-declassified/
Big news today and the pentagon just destroyed all the UFO critics arguments in one fell swoop... UFO's are real.

For me these videos prove that lizards from inner earth are flying sometimes in the atmosphere, because it is boring in inner earth.

They must be lizards because they fly in a crazy way and they are from inner earth because one normally does not see them on outer earth.

Some people have been allowed to go to inner earth and lizard-people from inner earth can disguise as normal people.

Here is proof: https://www.vox.com/2014/11/5/7158371/lizard-people-conspiracy-theory-explainer

Of course the believers in lizard people a ridiculed, like the UFO believers. This proves even more that lizard people from inner earth are real. The lizards themselves support the ridicule because that hides them even deeper.

For me lizard people from inner earth are much more credible than UFOs. You should fear them. Nobody has ever been harmed by UFOs (besides allegedly being probed up the rear end), but people are rather often tormented by cold blooded lizard people disguised as humans.

Greetings, Conrad (who has met cold blooded lizard people disguised as humans several times, I even know an Austria politician who is for sure a lizard)

 

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