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Title: New Russian Selfrunning Permanent Magnet Motor
Post by: hartiberlin on April 04, 2020, 11:41:57 PM
Hi All,have a look at this new Russian Selfrunning magnet motor.
It really seems to work.
I compiled a few videos of the inventor and posted them here:

https://bittube.video/videos/watch/81d3e71c-2097-46b3-8076-07f7d9a7490e
and here are smaller versions, that you can share more easily and can also download more easilyand share them via Whatsapp or Telegram:
https://bittube.video/videos/watch/afb42712-b127-428b-8ecd-b34133195878
https://bittube.video/videos/watch/ef330d37-7be7-4ec1-b17f-7f588729319a
BTW, I am using the new Bittube.Video Platform now mainly which is a real great platform with full decentralisationand Mastodom integration in the Fediverse...

Anyway, here is the info about these motors:
SELFRUNNING MAGNET MOTOR
 This is from an Russian Scientist, which got this permanent magnet motor to run on special magnet gates. I just compiled all of his videos into this one .
first are his latest 2 prototypes that are running and then the videos, where he explained it, how he set it up and got the gates propelling the rotor.
This is really genious.
 It is from this Youtube Channel:
 https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCqGbLCe3noBFYjwKqml2KeA (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCqGbLCe3noBFYjwKqml2KeA)
 and the username is:
 Юрий Юрин
As I unfortunately don´t speak any Russian language I can only guess, what he is saying...
 I hope Youtube will add automatic subtitles to this video, where you can translate it into your own language.
 Hope some users can try to replicate this.
 Many thanks for your attention and please subscribe to not miss the next video.
 Regards, Stefan. ( Admin from overunity.com (http://overunity.com))
 SELFRUNNING MAGNET MOTOR
 This is from an Russian Scientist, which got this permanent magnet motor to run on special magnet gates. I just compiled all of his videos into this one .
first are his latest 2 prototypes that are running and then the videos, where he explained it, how he set it up and got the gates propelling the rotor.
This is really genious.
 It is from this Youtube Channel:
 https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCqGbLCe3noBFYjwKqml2KeA (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCqGbLCe3noBFYjwKqml2KeA)
 and the username is:
 Юрий Юрин
As I unfortunately don´t speak any Russian language I can only guess, what he is saying...
 I hope Youtube will add automatic subtitles to this video, where you can translate it into your own language.
 Hope some users can try to replicate this.
 Many thanks for your attention and please subscribe to not miss the next video.
 Regards, Stefan. ( Admin from overunity.com (http://overunity.com))
 

Title: Re: New Russian Selfrunning Permanent Magnet Motor
Post by: Berto3 on April 05, 2020, 12:42:40 AM
I still have my doubt how he overcomes the sticky point. The video is not running long enough to know for shure if this PM motor is really selfrunning. Till now this video's do not convince me. It is not difficult to make a replication of this setup. Next week I give it a go. Time enough with the corona social isolation. And Yes, enough magnets of the same type.
Title: Re: New Russian Selfrunning Permanent Magnet Motor
Post by: citfta on April 05, 2020, 01:23:20 AM
I have watched that video several times today.  There is something about it that has me puzzled.  Why does the rotor want to turn when the magnets on the rotor are nearly 180 degrees away from the stator magnets?  Something just doesn't look right about that.  I have not had time to try and make a gate like he has to see if it works the way he shows it working.  I have plenty of magnets.  I just need some time to try and put it all together.  When I get it together I will post a video so everyone can see my results.


Carroll
Title: Re: New Russian Selfrunning Permanent Magnet Motor
Post by: DaKrampus on April 05, 2020, 09:30:37 AM
Yes I had similar thoughts.. because when something is to good to be true, it often is.
I checked some of his other videos in his channel, and i pasted some of the russian comments in google translator..
this is the video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySzQY30GQIk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySzQY30GQIk)

and here are the comments from the second line:

Rafael Henrial wrote:
Quote
Hi Yuri, I will post your video at my place! there will be more who understand how to do
beneath in one of the 4 answers you can read...
Ivan Kovalenko wrote:
Quote
I liked the first video deleted by the author, where a hand-shadow with a magnet is visible helping the rotor. Ah, here it is https://yadi.sk/i/VzZS0Wu5m05cCA (https://yadi.sk/i/VzZS0Wu5m05cCA)

I checked out that video.. but there are so many shadows.. i cannot detect the one that ivan guy is talking about....

If I have time i will try to replicate..

Luc
Title: Re: New Russian Selfrunning Permanent Magnet Motor
Post by: gyulasun on April 05, 2020, 03:24:30 PM

I checked out that video.. but there are so many shadows.. i cannot detect the one that ivan guy is talking about....

Luc
Hi Luc,
In this video https://yadi.sk/i/VzZS0Wu5m05cCA (https://yadi.sk/i/VzZS0Wu5m05cCA)  when he starts the rotor from video time 1:37, a faint shadow appears and disappears in the lower right corner where I encircled it in red.  The shadow always appears whenever the 3 rotor magnets are passing around the 11 o'clock area and disppears when the 3 magnets are passing around the 1 to 2 o'clock area. 

Notice that I indicated a white triangle section with a black rectangle (between the 2nd and 3rd stator magnets, counted from the left) which also changes as if a shadow would periodically cover the white triangle section:  it is made by the 3 rotor magnets when they cover the light beam as they pass at the 12 to 1 o'clock position.  This is normal, no problem with this latter 'shadow casting'. The illumination comes from the top right direction I indicated with the black arrow and the 3 magnets cast their shadow onto the white triangle.

I also encircled in green the two support legs of the platform on the left hand side where he uses spacers (made of folded paper) to make the left hand side of the platform a few mm higher than its right hand side (i.e the platform is tilted a little).  This causes the rotor use a little advantage from gravity, i.e. from the 12 o'clock rotor magnet position to the entry of the stator magnet row (up to 4 o'clock), gravity can give some torque and defeat the entry sticky spot to the gate.  Of course this small torque advantage should be compensated by the kick out force the gate should provide when the 3 rotor magnets leave the gate around the 8 o'clock area. 

Gyula
Title: Re: New Russian Selfrunning Permanent Magnet Motor
Post by: DaKrampus on April 05, 2020, 03:51:51 PM
Aahh. Thank you. Now i see what shadow is meant. But it could be anything.. also the reflection of the rotating magnets.. where the sun (light) is falling on.. for me that does not make it a fake yet...
I got to see if i dont have an old rotor in the basement i can test with...
i suppose it doesn't have to be metallic like his...
Luc

Title: Re: New Russian Selfrunning Permanent Magnet Motor
Post by: gyulasun on April 05, 2020, 03:58:15 PM
Yes that shadow could be anything, not neccessarily means the setup is a fake.
No need for a metal rotor, any other material could do, preferably perhaps non-magnetic,  maybe its mass is to be considered to act as a kinda flywheel.
Title: Re: New Russian Selfrunning Permanent Magnet Motor
Post by: Atti2 on April 06, 2020, 08:55:16 AM
A similar experiment was conducted years ago. The sound in the video shows the acceleration. After 1-1.5 hours of operation, the iron plates became magnetized and the rotation stopped. There were two versions. It was both a plate and a steel ball version, but I can't find it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzgOjJVKxNc
Title: Re: New Russian Selfrunning Permanent Magnet Motor
Post by: gyulasun on April 06, 2020, 02:11:13 PM
A similar experiment was conducted years ago. The sound in the video shows the acceleration. After 1-1.5 hours of operation, the iron plates became magnetized and the rotation stopped. There were two versions. It was both a plate and a steel ball version, but I can't find it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzgOjJVKxNc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzgOjJVKxNc)
Here is the same video without the beep sounds  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yG4VeVL1QY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yG4VeVL1QY)   

Title: Re: New Russian Selfrunning Permanent Magnet Motor
Post by: DaKrampus on April 06, 2020, 02:38:10 PM
In the video that is the topic of this thread.. the guy has 3 magnets that stick to the rotor because it is a metallic rotor.
they are probably n42 magnets.. but my point is.. are they: all N or NSN .. because ok.. if they were all the same polarity.. they would tend to go further away from each other.. but here they are real close to each other.. as if they would be N-S-N
and in an other video ... as some magnets fall out of his hand.. they stick to the rotor.. besides the existing magnets . iMHO they should be sticking  on top of the existing magnets as their attraction is stronger than the one of the rotor...
just observing because my rotor will need to have the magnets stuck to the rotor.. and so changing polarity meens lots of work ;-)

Title: Re: New Russian Selfrunning Permanent Magnet Motor
Post by: citfta on April 06, 2020, 03:33:53 PM
I have watched several of his videos.  In a couple of them he appears to hold the magnet in his hand close to the magnet on the rotor to see if it is attracted.  Then he sticks it to the rotor away from the magnet already on the rotor and then slides it closer to the magnet already on the rotor.  I think therefore he must have the same polarity pointing out from the rotor.  I have also seen a video where the magnets in his hand have jumped to the magnets on the rotor instead of jumping to the rotor.  Of course I am only guessing from what I have seen and could easily be wrong.


Carroll
Title: Re: New Russian Selfrunning Permanent Magnet Motor
Post by: Floor on April 06, 2020, 04:54:24 PM
First video

When the magnet is held by hand it is very easy to not realize that the rotation continues due to input from the hand's slight motion / input energy. Notice that he achieves
a much greater speed or rotation in the video where in, the magnet is hand held.

The rotation when the magnet / s are fixed should / must constantly accelerate
or else the device is probably driven by some hidden means.
 
This is because, each prior rotation gives enough force to cause increased speed / increased momentum and the subsequent rotations will add to that momentum and speed. There fore
the device must continuously accelerate. 

Friction in the bearings will not prevent this continuous speeding up.  Because that friction will be constant / not increasing. Wind resistance would eventually have increased to the point of a kind of
terminal velocity.  But this probably wouldn't occur until a much higher speed of rotation is reached.
  IMO

It might also be possible that inductive resistance might eventually give a kind of
terminal velocity.  But I don't see that as happening under the conditions in the videos.

In the other design (magnets over steel plates) the same things may apply ?  But it
seems to have very weak net force interactions and perhaps even a small increase in
wind resistance will cause terminal velocity  ?
Title: Re: New Russian Selfrunning Permanent Magnet Motor
Post by: Floor on April 06, 2020, 05:43:05 PM
The second device (magnets over steel plate) I find interesting.  Maybe it works (if it works) primarily due to the gradual magnetization of the steel plates?.  It is vaguely reminiscent of
the la Fonte pseudo solid engine's functioning ?

Note however, that in the pseudo solid engine, the moving component IS the steel plates equivalent.

In the La Fonte design, the moving component is polar reversed in its orientation in each next cycle. 

This prevents its eventual magnetization.
Title: Re: New Russian Selfrunning Permanent Magnet Motor
Post by: synchro1 on April 07, 2020, 01:42:37 PM



                                                                "Abandon All Hope!"

This same guy perpetrated the "SMOT" hoax!
Title: Re: New Russian Selfrunning Permanent Magnet Motor
Post by: DaKrampus on April 07, 2020, 02:01:16 PM
well that confirms the 4th law of thermodynamics (or was it the fifth?): When something looks to good to be true it nearly always is.
Title: Re: New Russian Selfrunning Permanent Magnet Motor
Post by: hartiberlin on April 12, 2020, 08:18:59 PM
I have watched that video several times today.  There is something about it that has me puzzled.  Why does the rotor want to turn when the magnets on the rotor are nearly 180 degrees away from the stator magnets?  Something just doesn't look right about that.  I have not had time to try and make a gate like he has to see if it works the way he shows it working.  I have plenty of magnets.  I just need some time to try and put it all together.  When I get it together I will post a video so everyone can see my results.


Carroll
Yes, the same problem I also have with it...Somebody said, he has a second rotor and when the did not succeed to set the first rotor in where he showed the back side, it seems, that he pulls in another rotor from out of the view from the camera, hwich might have a motor below the rotor...
But the marking ontop of the rotors are looking identical, so I wonder if this really is true...
but that he has to stop the movement with his tape roll, is pretty suspicious at this distance away from the gates... hmmm...
I guess now, something is fishy here...
Title: Re: New Russian Selfrunning Permanent Magnet Motor
Post by: Low-Q on April 19, 2020, 11:02:43 PM
Hi All,have a look at this new Russian Selfrunning magnet motor.
It really seems to work.
I compiled a few videos of the inventor and posted them here:

https://bittube.video/videos/watch/81d3e71c-2097-46b3-8076-07f7d9a7490e (https://bittube.video/videos/watch/81d3e71c-2097-46b3-8076-07f7d9a7490e)
and here are smaller versions, that you can share more easily and can also download more easilyand share them via Whatsapp or Telegram:
https://bittube.video/videos/watch/afb42712-b127-428b-8ecd-b34133195878 (https://bittube.video/videos/watch/afb42712-b127-428b-8ecd-b34133195878)
https://bittube.video/videos/watch/ef330d37-7be7-4ec1-b17f-7f588729319a (https://bittube.video/videos/watch/ef330d37-7be7-4ec1-b17f-7f588729319a)
BTW, I am using the new Bittube.Video Platform now mainly which is a real great platform with full decentralisationand Mastodom integration in the Fediverse...

Anyway, here is the info about these motors:
SELFRUNNING MAGNET MOTOR
 This is from an Russian Scientist, which got this permanent magnet motor to run on special magnet gates. I just compiled all of his videos into this one .
first are his latest 2 prototypes that are running and then the videos, where he explained it, how he set it up and got the gates propelling the rotor.
This is really genious.
 It is from this Youtube Channel:
 https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCqGbLCe3noBFYjwKqml2KeA (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCqGbLCe3noBFYjwKqml2KeA)
 and the username is:
 Юрий Юрин
As I unfortunately don´t speak any Russian language I can only guess, what he is saying...
 I hope Youtube will add automatic subtitles to this video, where you can translate it into your own language.
 Hope some users can try to replicate this.
 Many thanks for your attention and please subscribe to not miss the next video.
 Regards, Stefan. ( Admin from overunity.com (http://overunity.com))
 SELFRUNNING MAGNET MOTOR
 This is from an Russian Scientist, which got this permanent magnet motor to run on special magnet gates. I just compiled all of his videos into this one .
first are his latest 2 prototypes that are running and then the videos, where he explained it, how he set it up and got the gates propelling the rotor.
This is really genious.
 It is from this Youtube Channel:
 https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCqGbLCe3noBFYjwKqml2KeA (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCqGbLCe3noBFYjwKqml2KeA)
 and the username is:
 Юрий Юрин
As I unfortunately don´t speak any Russian language I can only guess, what he is saying...
 I hope Youtube will add automatic subtitles to this video, where you can translate it into your own language.
 Hope some users can try to replicate this.
 Many thanks for your attention and please subscribe to not miss the next video.
 Regards, Stefan. ( Admin from overunity.com (http://overunity.com))


These types of magnet motors simply cannot work. They are so easy to examine, and easy to debunk for anyone with average skills within magnetism.


Vidar
Title: Re: New Russian Selfrunning Permanent Magnet Motor
Post by: activ25 on May 19, 2020, 10:21:50 PM

These types of magnet motors simply cannot work. They are so easy to examine, and easy to debunk for anyone with average skills within magnetism.


Vidar

True, if the device uses the magnetism directly but if the leak is in the geometry it is possible. The magnetism is there only to have the waves and the forces. What I found odd in the examples is the angular velocity constant at each time, like there are only 1 or 2 poles the angular velocity must change in one turn especially if the inertia is low.