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Offline magnetman12003

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Re: All Permanent Magnet Motor
« Reply #30 on: April 08, 2020, 08:06:03 PM »
magentman12003,


Will downward pressure from the 4 - 45 degree- block magnets impart spin motion in the opposed polarity magnet ring below?


By extending the topside of the 45 degree blocks with a long rod magnet we have a split downward force as well as a vectored downward force that will spin the motor setup. The vectored force does that.

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« Reply #31 on: April 08, 2020, 08:24:50 PM »
The grey thing under the top plate is the huge rotating ceramic magnet. It’s not marked red or blue.This is a old one I used. Can’t find them anymore but the 190 mm ceramic magnets are available.  On top of this ceramic magnet in the photo is a Thin wood disk and a record disk I have cemented the 45 degree angles onto.  You don’t have to do all that however as the block magnets will attract to the large ceramic magnet by themself.  I just constructed the setup so I could easily remove the block magnets and the 45 degree aluminum supports.


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« Reply #32 on: April 08, 2020, 08:45:56 PM »
The grey thing under the top plate is the huge rotating ceramic magnet. It’s not marked red or blue.This is a old one I used. Can’t find them anymore but the 190 mm ceramic magnets are available.  On top of this ceramic magnet in the photo is a Thin wood disk and a record disk I have cemented the 45 degree angles onto.  You don’t have to do all that however as the block magnets will attract to the large ceramic magnet by themself.  I just constructed the setup so I could easily remove the block magnets and the 45 degree aluminum supports.


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Still a photo or drawing of the setup with the rods containing neo magnets would be really helpfull.
Is the setup constantly accelerating or is the angular speed stable?
Is the top magnet (with the wooden disc) fixed to the central shaft? Or can it move freely up and down?

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Re: All Permanent Magnet Motor
« Reply #33 on: April 08, 2020, 11:14:54 PM »
Still a photo or drawing of the setup with the rods containing neo magnets would be really helpfull.
Is the setup constantly accelerating or is the angular speed stable?
Is the top magnet (with the wooden disc) fixed to the central shaft? Or can it move freely up and down?
It can move up and down freely using a 8 mm brass bearing in the center wood piece.
The speed is determined by how powerful the rod magnets are and how close they can come in repel to the block magnets.
Rod magnets FREE FLOAT inside the polycarbonate tubes at a 45 degree angle upwards.

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« Reply #34 on: April 09, 2020, 01:19:21 AM »
Here is the open source description of the motor.
First you must buy a couple of 190 mm ceramic ring magnets, make a round wood centerpiece for both of them and put a 12 inch  8 mm non magnetic rod through the center of each wood piece.
The bottom magnet should not be able to move.  The top magnet must easily spin with its “”SAME””
Polarity facing the bottom magnet.


Now you must buy or fashion 45 degree wood or aluminum blocks and bond them onto the top large ceramic magnet.  In a circular form.   Up to now you will be able to spin the motor easily with your fingers.
Now for the interesting part. Powerful neo block magnets must be bonded onto the top side of each 45 degree angle.
By extending the “””LENGHT “”” of the 45 degree angles considerably we now will be able to get
The setup to rotate.  How to do this is by bonding 6 inch polycarbonate tubes to the underside or topside of
Each of the four 45 degree angles.  Inside the tubes are placed neo rod magnets that oppose the polarity of the block magnets.   Now the GRAVITY downwards pull plus the repel magnetic forces of these extensions will cause the setup to rotate hands free.
I hope all this information is useful in your individual builds.
ALL ABOVE INFORMATION IS OPEN SOURCE.


The reason I am posting all information OPEN SOURCE is because I am in the age bracket that corona virus
Would probably kill me once I caught it. So I am passing all details to whoever decides to build  the motor.
Patenting would be of no use that way. 


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« Reply #35 on: April 09, 2020, 01:27:04 AM »
I cannot figure out how to place the ploycarbonate rods. How do you place them so that the big upper ring magnet allows for that. Do they go on the outer/inner rim of the big ring magnet? Or are they fully placed above the upper ring, just like the blok magnets? Also are the polycarbonate rods set at the same angle like the block magnets? Or are the rods perpendicular to the block magnets?
In the picture below - 1, 2, 3, 4, or 5 ? Or differently? Also the question, if the magnets' polarisation is right in the picture you say is correct. Red is the block magnet, green is the polycarbonate rod and blue is the rod magnet. Black is the angle support.

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« Reply #36 on: April 09, 2020, 01:34:59 AM »

The reason I am posting all information OPEN SOURCE is because I am in the age bracket that corona virus
Would probably kill me once I caught it. So I am passing all details to whoever decides to build  the motor.
Patenting would be of no use that way.

I totally understand your point and really appreciate your work and openness! Hard times we live in...
Now let's try to document the design fully with some nice pictures (will do it in 3d but still need more info - check the post above), videos and replications.

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Re: All Permanent Magnet Motor
« Reply #37 on: April 09, 2020, 01:38:38 AM »
I would guess it's like this; this attraction would definitely have a vector.

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« Reply #38 on: April 09, 2020, 02:08:56 AM »
I cannot figure out how to place the ploycarbonate rods. How do you place them so that the big upper ring magnet allows for that. Do they go on the outer/inner rim of the big ring magnet? Or are they fully placed above the upper ring, just like the blok magnets? Also are the polycarbonate rods set at the same angle like the block magnets? Or are the rods perpendicular to the block magnets?
In the picture below - 1, 2, 3, 4, or 5 ? Or differently? Also the question, if the magnets' polarisation is right in the picture you say is correct. Red is the block magnet, green is the polycarbonate rod and blue is the rod magnet. Black is the angle support.
They are placed on top of the upper ring magnets aluminum 45 degree angle.

Your diagram #3 with the rod magnet South Pole facing the block magnet shows this. The rod magnet inside the tube should slip just a little UNDER the 45 degree support and the setup as show will move counterclockwise in this case.

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« Reply #39 on: April 09, 2020, 02:37:52 AM »

They are placed on top of the upper ring magnets aluminum 45 degree angle.
Your diagram #3 with the rod magnet South Pole facing the block magnet shows this.


Ok, now let's concentrate on the magnets' polarities.
1,2,3, or 4 in the picture below?
Also from the practical point of view - how do you mount the rods so that they are really fixed?
What are the sizes of the block and rod magnets?



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Re: All Permanent Magnet Motor
« Reply #40 on: April 09, 2020, 12:21:48 PM »

                                                         (Perpetual Frictionless bearing Homopolar "V" Gate Spinner)

Correct position: Guess number 3. The magnetic pole on the rod end should be in attraction to the opposition poles of the ring magnets. Tom mentioned that it was the "Downward pressure" that caused the spin. 4 "V" gates. No "Lenz" effect and no domain shift in the neutral zone necessary. I am optimistic about Tom's credibility.


Perpetual "V" gate attraction may herald a new era of fossil free prosperity; Or, dramatic social political and economic repercussions could domino a "Black Friday" shock wave across the Planet. That probably helps explain why Tom chooses to hide out.
« Last Edit: April 09, 2020, 05:26:34 PM by synchro1 »

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« Reply #41 on: April 09, 2020, 05:26:38 PM »
                                                         (Perpetual Frictionless bearing Homopolar "V" Gate Spinner)

Correct position: Guess number 3. The magnetic pole on the rod end should be in attraction to the opposition poles of the ring magnets. Tom mentioned that it was the "Downward pressure" that caused the spin. 4 "V" gates. No "Lenz" effect and no domain shift in the neutral zone necessary. I am optimistic about Tom's credibility.


Perpetual "V" gate attraction would herald a new era of fossil free prosperity! Dramatic social political and economic repercussions could domino a "Black Friday" shock wave across the Planet. That's why Tom hides out.


Let's stick to what Tom says and not guess stuff, please. I also don't remember him giving this motor a name yet, so please leave it to the inventor. Other stuff is not needed here. Stick to the subject.

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Re: All Permanent Magnet Motor
« Reply #42 on: April 09, 2020, 05:28:42 PM »

The ring magnet rotor would accelerate to light speed in a vacuum with a totally frictionless bearing. Radial "Halbach" arrays could press the magnet rings from the sides.

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« Reply #43 on: April 09, 2020, 07:14:50 PM »

Ok, now let's concentrate on the magnets' polarities.
1,2,3, or 4 in the picture below?
Also from the practical point of view - how do you mount the rods so that they are really fixed?
What are the sizes of the block and rod magnets?
Number 3 with the plastic tubes extending about 1/2 of the way under the top section of the
45 degree angle.  Yes this sounds funny but it works out without the magnets jumping out of the tubes
South Pole of the rod magnet is drawn downward by the Larger North Pole Force of the ceramic magnet.
Gorrila Epoxy holds all ln place.  Rod magnets are 3/8 inch in diameter and  2 3/4 long each.  Need 2 for one 45 degree angle.
Block magnets are 3/8 thick, 1 3/4 long and 3/4 widh.
Name the motor. “”ROTOR FLOATER””  because not only the large top ceramic magnet floats but so do the rod magnets inside the plastic tubes. The ends of the tube are epoxy sealed just to make sure they don’t come out while the motor is spinning.






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« Reply #44 on: April 09, 2020, 07:19:20 PM »
Number 3 with the plastic tubes extending about 1/4 of the way under the top section of the
45 degree angle.  Yes this sounds funny but it works out without the magnets jumping out of the tubes
South Pole of the rod magnet is drawn downward by the Larger North Pole Force of the ceramic magnet.
Gorrila Epoxy holds all ln place.  Rod magnets are 3/8 inch in diameter and  2 3/4 long each.  Need 2 for one 45 degree angle.
Block magnets are 3/8 thick, 1 3/4 long and 3/4 wide


@magnetman120003,


Thank you. You are more ingenious then I gave you credit for. You are a giant in history comparable to Count Alessandro Volta!

 

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