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Offline magnetman12003

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Re: All Permanent Magnet Motor
« Reply #225 on: May 25, 2020, 10:24:32 PM »

I plan to do just as you say. The bolt angle has to be at 45 degrees or close to it as I am finding out.
Also the threaded bolt MUST touch the 45 degree mounted magnet and have the weight of the bolt on it to insure setup spin. I will have to notch out my tumblers bottoms  to allow the touch to happen.
It also looks like i might have to drill a hole in the side of the tumbler so I can set the bolt angle at or near 45 degrees.  Will let everyone know when finished.
Tom

I am having tumbler trouble so I will go to plan B.  Since Overhead finger holding the top end of the threaded bolt works while the bottom of the bolt is resting on the 45 degree magnet another thought occurred.
Why not use a overhead sling affair and come in holding the top of the threaded bolt from above - with fingers not needed. I have started to make that already and it shows great promise.
More work to do yet to insure that the threaded bolt top is physically secured to the rubber O ring you see in the photo.  The O ring is the sling.
Tom
« Last Edit: May 26, 2020, 02:32:47 AM by magnetman12003 »

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Re: All Permanent Magnet Motor
« Reply #226 on: May 25, 2020, 11:10:47 PM »
Rubber bands and craft sticks can be used to create any kind of problem solution.

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Re: All Permanent Magnet Motor
« Reply #227 on: May 26, 2020, 12:19:15 PM »

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I am having tumbler trouble so I will go to plan B.  Since Overhead finger holding the top end of the threaded bolt works while the bottom of the bolt is resting on the 45 degree magnet another thought occurred.
Why not use a overhead sling affair and come in holding the top of the threaded bolt from above - with fingers not needed. I have started to make that already and it shows great promise.
More work to do yet to insure that the threaded bolt top is physically secured to the rubber O ring you see in the photo.  The O ring is the sling.
Tom
Hi Tom,
I agree, your approach shown is a good one to get rid any hand activity that may give any input energy to the setup.

When I wrote my previous post to you, I prepared this text too but did not post because you reported to receive the tumblers. Now I include that text and attach an earlier picture of yours I edited to show how you could get rid of using your hand.
"I would like to suggest the following: 
Please fasten a kinda crossbar onto the top part of shaft as I show it in the picture below. The bar could be made from any rigid material, its task  would be to keep the bolt at the needed 45 degree position by a piece of thread. This way you do not need to hold the bolt by your hand  any more: you gently let the bolt fall towards the 45 degree final position from its vertical position. This small pushing force that the tilting bolt  gives to the rotor would surely start the rotor. 
From this test, you could clearly see how long the rotor will be able to rotate from that pushing force. " 

So you use a piece of thread just long enogh to hold the bolt at the needed 45° angle while hanging its top part from the bar's end.  And then you could let the bolt fall from its vertical position into the needed direction (when the rotor is at a stand still) to arrive at its final 45° position and see how long the rotor would rotate from this falling bolt+lead weigth impact onto the rotor.  If one bolt is not enough then use two at 180° apart from each other.

Good luck, 
Gyula

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« Reply #227 on: May 26, 2020, 12:19:15 PM »
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Offline synchro1

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Re: All Permanent Magnet Motor
« Reply #228 on: May 26, 2020, 02:01:07 PM »
Just brace the bolt between two upright craft sticks and bind them with a rubber band like below.

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Re: All Permanent Magnet Motor
« Reply #229 on: May 27, 2020, 01:47:53 PM »
Here is a video of the motor turning folks.
Shown a little out of focus to hide important parts.
More to come later on  in focus.
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Tom (magnetmann12003), why don't you admit that the video was not exactly reality but more hope or idea (or a push by hand)?

It is fine to go overboard with an idea and to hope for the impossible a bit too much. But you should tell us the truth. It was amusing, but the fun is over by now, it has become a drag.

Greetings, Conrad

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Offline ayeaye

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Re: All Permanent Magnet Motor
« Reply #230 on: May 27, 2020, 03:47:13 PM »
It is fine to go overboard with an idea and to hope for the impossible a bit too much. But you should tell us the truth. It was amusing, but the fun is over by now, it has become a drag.

It has. Not excluding any possibility, my estimation is this though. that Magnetman got some improvements, so it rotates more, with a lot of work, at that. Maybe he thought that his device is capable of continuous rotation, but maybe he didn't test it thoroughly.

Here though, one may throw away all that Magnetman could find, by abandoning his work as a continuously running device. I think he should provide more results of his work, and experiments that he did, to show the things that he really found. And these, if properly provided, can really be replicated.

This, all or nothing, is what makes the research impossible. People think about it like a treasure hunt, you either find treasure or you don't. But research is not a treasure hunt. It is a series of experiments and theoretical work, that gradually comes close to the solution.

People refuse to do that research, they replicate, and then it either starts to continuously rotate, or it doesn't. I said to test whether it rotates more easily in one direction, than in the other. People refuse to do even that, all or nothing. Don't they realize that approaching it like that is crazy.

Instead of trying to get it all at once, do research. Why no one replicates my experiment, i did an experiment, in another tread here, where i really measured gain of energy, and it was replicated and results confirmed. It is about 45 degree magnets that Magnetman used too. Yes it didn't overcome friction, but it is a gradual work to decrease friction, and increase energy gain. But no, all or nothing.


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Re: All Permanent Magnet Motor
« Reply #231 on: May 27, 2020, 05:10:27 PM »
Why are you stalling around? It would take five minutes for me to set those bolts up on an angle with the popsicle sticks and rubber bands. You sent to China for tumblers you couldn't get to work right?


You look like you're just procrastinating to a lot of people. Poor show!

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Offline conradelektro

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« Reply #232 on: May 27, 2020, 06:30:53 PM »
This, all or nothing, is what makes the research impossible. People think about it like a treasure hunt, you either find treasure or you don't. But research is not a treasure hunt. It is a series of experiments and theoretical work, that gradually comes close to the solution.

People refuse to do that research, they replicate, and then it either starts to continuously rotate, or it doesn't. I said to test whether it rotates more easily in one direction, than in the other. People refuse to do even that, all or nothing. Don't they realize that approaching it like that is crazy.

Instead of trying to get it all at once, do research. Why no one replicates my experiment, i did an experiment, in another tread here, where i really measured gain of energy, and it was replicated and results confirmed. It is about 45 degree magnets that Magnetman used too. Yes it didn't overcome friction, but it is a gradual work to decrease friction, and increase energy gain. But no, all or nothing.

My problem:

If you want people to replicate your work you should tell them them truth. It is not helpful at all to claim that something turns by itself or is OU if it really is not.

Very often in this forum people tell tall stories (lies) about their non functioning devices. Some are deluded or handicapped, but many simply lie.

It is fine to tell that something is a so far inconclusive experiment, but please do not make unsubstantiated claims, do not embellish your contraptions. You will look silly or you seem to be a crook.

Greetings, Conrad

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Re: All Permanent Magnet Motor
« Reply #233 on: May 27, 2020, 09:28:42 PM »
My problem:

If you want people to replicate your work you should tell them them truth. It is not helpful at all to claim that something turns by itself or is OU if it really is not.

Very often in this forum people tell tall stories (lies) about their non functioning devices. Some are deluded or handicapped, but many simply lie.

It is fine to tell that something is a so far inconclusive experiment, but please do not make unsubstantiated claims, do not embellish your contraptions. You will look silly or you seem to be a crook.

Greetings, Conrad


I really found that by using the 45 degree magnet angle  I got it to work somehow at first
but later try as I might it did not work.  It seems by working overhead as one does using the fingers
is the way to go.  If you are following me without doing anything at all so be it.  If you are experimenting on your own you will find that the overhead sling setup I last described is working for me. I plan to make a video to show it in action within a weeks time. I have to find out how long it will operate first before I get really excited.
I am only using two threaded steel bolts with weights on them presently.
Four will be used later for more power.

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Re: All Permanent Magnet Motor
« Reply #234 on: May 29, 2020, 02:58:09 AM »

I really found that by using the 45 degree magnet angle  I got it to work somehow at first
but later try as I might it did not work.  It seems by working overhead as one does using the fingers
is the way to go.  If you are following me without doing anything at all so be it.  If you are experimenting on your own you will find that the overhead sling setup I last described is working for me. I plan to make a video to show it in action within a weeks time. I have to find out how long it will operate first before I get really excited.
I am only using two threaded steel bolts with weights on them presently.
Four will be used later for more power.


After thinking it over I plan to show the working motor only after I patent it.
I already gave out enough information about it if someone decides to use the SLING METHOD of making it. It’s not as simple as it looks to be as anyone attempting to replicate it will find out.
But you will see the light after you play with it a while.

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Re: All Permanent Magnet Motor
« Reply #235 on: May 29, 2020, 08:53:01 AM »

After thinking it over I plan to show the working motor only after I patent it.
I already gave out enough information about it if someone decides to use the SLING METHOD of making it. It’s not as simple as it looks to be as anyone attempting to replicate it will find out.
But you will see the light after you play with it a while.


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Re: All Permanent Magnet Motor
« Reply #236 on: May 29, 2020, 08:59:41 AM »
After thinking it over I plan to show the working motor only after I patent it.

Oh, one wants to patent it, surprise, surprise!

There are hundreds of permanent magnet motor patents (the allegedly self turning kind, without any other power source, the impossible ones) and none of them really works.

Therefore take note: patenting something does not make it work and it definitely is no proof that it works.

The patent offices of this world do not check whether something works and the requirement that something is not allowed to contradict current wisdom is handled in a very lax way. As long as you pay the fees, everything goes, it is a matter of wording.

O.k. discussion is over, spare us the cryptic hints.

Greetings, Conrad

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« Reply #237 on: May 29, 2020, 01:18:13 PM »
I was really afraid this was where this thread was going.  I have been experimenting for the last couple of years with magnet interactions.  And I just did not see how this could work.  So now the usual excuse.  "I have shown you enough. Now I am going to get rich."


For anyone interested in some real experiments with magnets but no claims of OU you can watch videos of my progress in Floor's builders section in the thread "Possible magnet motor idea experiments".  Some of the videos show some interesting interactions that might surprise you.


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« Reply #238 on: May 29, 2020, 04:01:46 PM »
Holding the weighted bolt against the angled magnet at or near 45deg by hand, its like lifting a 10ft 4x4 by one end while the other end digs into the ground, in the similar direction that the wheel seems to move.  So as you lift the end of the long board and try to stand it upright, it digs into the dirt more and more as you lift the one end. Now with that same 4x4 10ft board, put a roller skate under the other end and try to stand up the board from the other end.   ;)
Sorry my fellow mag man, it was your hand interaction that had direct affect on the wheel turning. But if you insist on a pat, you can do a little studying and draw up your own prov pat(after doing a pat search to see if it has already been pat) and it only cost you $75. If it is granted, you are covered for 1 year.
Mags

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« Reply #239 on: May 29, 2020, 04:11:17 PM »
Hi Mags,


That's a very good analogy of what is going on with his magmotor.




 

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