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Author Topic: All Permanent Magnet Motor  (Read 33068 times)

Offline synchro1

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Re: All Permanent Magnet Motor
« Reply #150 on: May 09, 2020, 03:39:37 PM »
@magnetman12003,


Can you show us a video of your rotor hopping the sticky point?

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Re: All Permanent Magnet Motor
« Reply #151 on: May 09, 2020, 10:20:13 PM »
@magnetman12003,


Can you show us a video of your rotor hopping the sticky point?


There is “”NO””sticky point in my setup. The “”free””rod and weight attached to it just keeps the 45 degree setup block magnet pushing counter clock wise.  I am waiting on 4 very nice plastic tumblers to use in making this. I will make a video of  the motor working then. The correct angle and weight of the threaded steel rod attracted to the 45 degree block magnet determines what push it has on the magnet.
Note this on the diagram I posted. All can go clockwise if the diagram is reversed.
Tom
« Last Edit: May 10, 2020, 12:28:59 AM by magnetman12003 »

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Re: All Permanent Magnet Motor
« Reply #152 on: May 10, 2020, 11:42:39 PM »
This goes inside the tumbler by itself to make the motor spin.  What is shown is a 6 inch carriage bolt with a #16 and #4 cannonball lead sinker mounted on it. 3/8 th inch Holes drilled through sinkers so bolt can slide through.  Please note: This bolt must actually touch the 45 degree set magnet to work.  Must notch out the bottom of the tumbler to allow the contact. The tumbler provides a set angle for the bolt. Check this looking at my diagram on page 10.
The heavy weight (GRAVITY)of the bolt pushes down at a angle on the 45 degree mounted magnet.
That in turn will get the base heavy ring magnet to spin either clockwise or counter clock wise depending on how you make the setup.

Tom

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Re: All Permanent Magnet Motor
« Reply #152 on: May 10, 2020, 11:42:39 PM »
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Re: All Permanent Magnet Motor
« Reply #153 on: May 11, 2020, 06:35:14 PM »
This goes inside the tumbler by itself to make the motor spin.  What is shown is a 6 inch carriage bolt with a #16 and #4 cannonball lead sinker mounted on it. 3/8 th inch Holes drilled through sinkers so bolt can slide through.  Please note: This bolt must actually touch the 45 degree set magnet to work.  Must notch out the bottom of the tumbler to allow the contact. The tumbler provides a set angle for the bolt. Check this looking at my diagram on page 10.
The heavy weight (GRAVITY)of the bolt pushes down at a angle on the 45 degree mounted magnet.
That in turn will get the base heavy ring magnet to spin either clockwise or counter clock wise depending on how you make the setup.

Tom

Do I understand this in the right way: There will be four tumblers (each with a bolt inside) and the tumblers are fixed to the turning magnet ring? (The tumblers are fixed to the 45 degree mounted magnets?)

Greetings, Conrad

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Re: All Permanent Magnet Motor
« Reply #154 on: May 11, 2020, 07:17:09 PM »

"Quick and Dirty" version: Egotronics says the Wobble makes it spin around? It looks like egotronics may really be onto something! Easy to see how magnetman12003's setup would generate a Wobble too. A breeze would be a help.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJq8JNOmeGY
« Last Edit: May 11, 2020, 10:24:10 PM by synchro1 »

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Offline magnetman12003

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Re: All Permanent Magnet Motor
« Reply #155 on: May 11, 2020, 07:25:17 PM »
Do I understand this in the right way: There will be four tumblers (each with a bolt inside) and the tumblers are fixed to the turning magnet ring? (The tumblers are fixed to the 45 degree mounted magnets?)

Greetings, Conrad
It’s going to look like this.  I have shown a real glass tumbler there for illustration purposes
This is one setup for clarity. Need 4. Notice the phenolic block riser under the tumbler that sets on it.

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« Reply #156 on: May 11, 2020, 10:05:59 PM »
This goes inside the tumbler by itself to make the motor spin.  What is shown is a 6 inch carriage bolt with a #16 and #4 cannonball lead sinker mounted on it. 3/8 th inch Holes drilled through sinkers so bolt can slide through.  Please note: This bolt must actually touch the 45 degree set magnet to work.  Must notch out the bottom of the tumbler to allow the contact. The tumbler provides a set angle for the bolt. Check this looking at my diagram on page 10.
The heavy weight (GRAVITY)of the bolt pushes down at a angle on the 45 degree mounted magnet.
That in turn will get the base heavy ring magnet to spin either clockwise or counter clock wise depending on how you make the setup. I just found out the heavy weight on the threaded rod should be the closest to the magnet block and the lesser weight be next further away.

Tom

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Offline conradelektro

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Re: All Permanent Magnet Motor
« Reply #157 on: May 12, 2020, 10:59:13 AM »
This goes inside the tumbler by itself to make the motor spin.  What is shown is a 6 inch carriage bolt with a #16 and #4 cannonball lead sinker mounted on it. 3/8 th inch Holes drilled through sinkers so bolt can slide through.  Please note: This bolt must actually touch the 45 degree set magnet to work.  Must notch out the bottom of the tumbler to allow the contact. The tumbler provides a set angle for the bolt. Check this looking at my diagram on page 10.
The heavy weight (GRAVITY)of the bolt pushes down at a angle on the 45 degree mounted magnet.
That in turn will get the base heavy ring magnet to spin either clockwise or counter clock wise depending on how you make the setup. I just found out the heavy weight on the threaded rod should be the closest to the magnet block and the lesser weight be next further away.

Does the bolt inside the tumbler move in any way while the motor spins? The bolt will move in a circle like the whole setup (45° magnets, tumblers, phenolic blocks, heavy ring magnet), but does it move inside the tumbler in a small circle or back and forth radially?

I am thinking about the centrifugal force acting on the bolt inside the tumbler as the motor spins. A rhythmic movement of the bolts inside the tumblers while the motor is spinning would introduce some dynamics to cause the spinning.

I guess the rationale behind the tumblers is to give the rods some room for a small systematic movement while the motor is spinning?

Sorry for the cryptic sentences, but it is hard to express my thoughts about this permanent magnet motor without having all details. And I understand that magnetman12003 does not want to disclose all details. The world will grab the idea from him and many will use it to their advantage without giving him anything not even credit.

Greetings, Conrad

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Re: All Permanent Magnet Motor
« Reply #158 on: May 12, 2020, 01:41:21 PM »

Quote from egotronics:

"One simple rotation and the magnets unbalance and it starts to rotate"

Both contraptions use a very sloppy bearing for the rotor.

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« Reply #159 on: May 12, 2020, 01:53:52 PM »
WE SHOULD REALLY LOOK AT THIS ONE. THE SECRET IS IN THE SPING ACTION OF THE WOOD SPINNER.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s18h5X2sDZU

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Re: All Permanent Magnet Motor
« Reply #160 on: May 12, 2020, 07:19:12 PM »
WE SHOULD REALLY LOOK AT THIS ONE. THE SECRET IS IN THE SPING ACTION OF THE WOOD SPINNER.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s18h5X2sDZU

The video is from January 2017. Does anybody think he would not have developed this wonderful thing any further? If it really worked the inventor would be famous by now.

Greetings, Conrad

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Re: All Permanent Magnet Motor
« Reply #161 on: May 12, 2020, 09:05:58 PM »
Does the bolt inside the tumbler move in any way while the motor spins? The bolt will move in a circle like the whole setup (45° magnets, tumblers, phenolic blocks, heavy ring magnet), but does it move inside the tumbler in a small circle or back and forth radially?

I am thinking about the centrifugal force acting on the bolt inside the tumbler as the motor spins. A rhythmic movement of the bolts inside the tumblers while the motor is spinning would introduce some dynamics to cause the spinning.

I guess the rationale behind the tumblers is to give the rods some room for a small systematic movement while the motor is spinning?




Sorry for the cryptic sentences, but it is hard to express my thoughts about this permanent magnet motor without having all details. And I understand that magnetman12003 does not want to disclose all details. The world will grab the idea from him and many will use it to their advantage without giving him anything not even credit.

Greetings, Conrad
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The bolt itself is attracted to the 45 degree mounted block magnet.  The top of the tumbler is  the angle the bolt rests on.  I believe the bolt won’t move much while the motor spins.
You will need to experiment with the bolt weight and angle it contacts the 45 degree block magnet for best results.  From what I am seeing another 45 degree angle seems best.
« Last Edit: May 13, 2020, 01:04:04 AM by magnetman12003 »

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« Reply #162 on: May 13, 2020, 05:18:38 PM »
Hi Magnetman,
I just completed a replication of your device that I believe covers all your specs pretty closely.
It has:


2 6" ring magnets
non magnetic stainless shaft
brass bushings
correct 45 degree angles
correct magnetic polarity as per your sketch
3/8" weight rods
aluminum weight rods guide tubes orriented at 45 degrees to magnets


My question to you is this.
Did you actually get this working or do you just assume it will work with this design?


Mine does NADA! not even a kick!


Please comment on what you believe is wrong with the replication.
PS have not tried any added weights to the rods.

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Re: All Permanent Magnet Motor
« Reply #163 on: May 13, 2020, 06:38:00 PM »
Hi Magnetman,
I just completed a replication of your device that I believe covers all your specs pretty closely.
It has:


2 6" ring magnets
non magnetic stainless shaft
brass bushings
correct 45 degree angles
correct magnetic polarity as per your sketch
3/8" weight rods
aluminum weight rods guide tubes orriented at 45 degrees to magnets


My question to you is this.
Did you actually get this working or do you just assume it will work with this design?


Mine does NADA! not even a kick!


Please comment on what you believe is wrong with the replication.
PS have not tried any added weights to the rods.


try directing air flow from an electric fan from where an off camera view angle would be and see if that's sufficient to create the illusion of self rotation. try and rotate it by electric fan.

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Re: All Permanent Magnet Motor
« Reply #164 on: May 13, 2020, 06:39:43 PM »
might come to that!

 

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