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Offline Thaelin

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Re: All Permanent Magnet Motor
« Reply #120 on: April 20, 2020, 09:22:54 PM »
  Don't kill me for this but so far I have not seen one build that is to the specs given.  Seems to be a plague here abouts. I am now building mine. But it will be to the drawing that was given with the added revs from Mags


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« Reply #121 on: April 21, 2020, 07:37:07 AM »
Please.

Yes i see it too. I don't think it showed continuous rotation, and it could have been given initial speed. All i think it shows is what he considers that he got a gain of energy, not necessarily greater than friction. He never claimed anything more either. And i assume that's true, i know him and know that he is a honest researcher.

Who replicates, btw, this thing looks like delicate. The strength and the weight of the rod magnets, etc, may all matter in minor detail. So no wonder when you cannot replicate. This is the problem of wanting to get all that at once. Why don't you replicate my experiment, much simpler, where you did succeed for certain. But yes, it's already replicated.


Ok. Sorry for being so harsh.
I can tell that a setup like this does not have gain.


One simple reason for that, and that is a missing field gradient in the direction of motion. That means the rotor magnets isn't pushed or pulled neither backwards or forwards.


So the gain in this setup, even without friction, is exactly zero, and therefor I called it fake.


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Re: All Permanent Magnet Motor
« Reply #122 on: April 21, 2020, 07:39:04 AM »

Hello,
well then good luck and show us the build-up.
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« Reply #122 on: April 21, 2020, 07:39:04 AM »
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Re: All Permanent Magnet Motor
« Reply #123 on: April 21, 2020, 07:48:32 AM »
One simple reason for that, and that is a missing field gradient in the direction of motion. That means the rotor magnets isn't pushed or pulled neither backwards or forwards.

Oh yes? Then why are there different forces at the both sides then?


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Re: All Permanent Magnet Motor
« Reply #124 on: April 23, 2020, 02:47:50 PM »



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Re: All Permanent Magnet Motor
« Reply #125 on: April 24, 2020, 03:55:25 AM »
Thanks, what a waste of everyones time. I should have known. On a side note I'm now asked to help in designing a new vertical shaft wind generator using ferro fluid and funded by the Australian Government. What a strange coincidence! They are watching you. Testing your every online decisions using AI and you don't even know. Those who scam and mislead others in this journey will also be collected in this data. Don't underestimate how your online activity now will effect your future. Digital karma for the human concience.

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Re: All Permanent Magnet Motor
« Reply #126 on: April 25, 2020, 09:05:35 AM »
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« Reply #127 on: April 26, 2020, 07:52:40 AM »
Oh well, I have my magnets here so I will give it a try for myself and see for a bit of fun. Just have to get the time to put something together then I'll post some pics if I have any success. I don't like wasting time and money on things based on a very short video that seemed to be slowing down in rotation. But if it's Ferko? then maybe he's on to something, I've seen some of his other work over the years so he's not a newbie that's for sure. Fingers crossed. Stay safe everyone!

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Re: All Permanent Magnet Motor
« Reply #128 on: April 26, 2020, 09:26:33 AM »
Hello
did you get 156mm or larger?
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Re: All Permanent Magnet Motor
« Reply #129 on: April 26, 2020, 09:43:55 AM »
145mm was the largest I could get. Plus a whole lot of other block magnets and small cylinder neos.  Also a small neo sphere just to play around with.
I'm going to make a wind generator to run some tests and hook it up to my solar/inverter/batt setup for those windy days when there's not much sun. Will make a few small turbines instead of a large one that takes up too much room.

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Re: All Permanent Magnet Motor
« Reply #130 on: April 26, 2020, 10:06:43 AM »
Oh well, I have my magnets here so I will give it a try for myself and see for a bit of fun.

Maybe you would replicate my experiment as well. If you have scales and a plastic or an aluminum ruler. Much much simpler and then you at least get some results.

I talked with Magnetman a long time ago, and maybe the idea to put magnet under 45 degrees, came from me. I certainly was not the first who thought to put magnet under 45 degrees, it is not difficult to get that idea. But i explained why it works.

I have thought that it may also work with a ring magnet, i even thought about making the 45 degrees magnet to move, though not the way Magnetman did it. I don't know about having two discs, maybe there is some reason.

I would recommend to measure forces. Doing it in that way, just copy, doesn't work, reject it, is not really a reasonable approach, and not the right way to do research. I know Magnetman, he was one of these who talked about the possibilities of making a permanent magnet motor and the theory, i was one too, and i think that he found some way to increase propulsion. What exactly did we talk then, i don't exactly remember.

Whether it finally slows down or not, doesn't so much matter, may even only be a matter of better bearings. I think it is important to measure how much energy gain there is, in that and in similar setups.


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Re: All Permanent Magnet Motor
« Reply #131 on: April 26, 2020, 07:41:04 PM »

Hello
I have some magnets. Also ring magnets 156mm Also Neos in different sizes. I don't think you can say it's not possible. You may need 200mm magnets. I will continue to test.  Please set pictures and test. Even if it doesn't work.
Greeting
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Re: All Permanent Magnet Motor
« Reply #132 on: April 27, 2020, 10:18:04 AM »
Why two ring magnets, i don't know, i can only guess. Depending on the material of the ring magnet, the field of the 45 degrees magnets can go through the ring magnet, to the lower ring magnet, so all is like the ring magnet were not in between. Why in that way, i don't know, maybe just so that the ring magnet with the 45 degrees magnets on it kind of floats in the air, and there is less friction. Maybe something different from that happens, again i don't know, i can only guess.

Please, the thread about my experiment is this, see that in the end  https://overunity.com/18363/getting-energy-from-asymmetry-of-the-magnetic-field-experiment/ . I would consider that experiment an elementary thing to do, when researching overunity in permanent magnets. Like ywhen ou study electricity, you do that Faraday experiment with a compass needle, kind of, not much, but very important.


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Re: All Permanent Magnet Motor
« Reply #133 on: April 30, 2020, 12:33:39 AM »
Hi All,
This is my latest drawing incorporating major changes and much easier to build.
I have not tested it yet. It should work out as the tube with the rod magnets inside it floats freely by itself inside the 2 inch pipe section and will push the 45 degree aluminum angle counter clockwise.
You will have to observe polarity!!  North Pole is red. South Pole is blue.
You will have to make four of the 45degree angle setups and place them in a circular fashion as shown.

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Re: All Permanent Magnet Motor
« Reply #134 on: April 30, 2020, 05:15:38 AM »
Magnetman, this is pretty complicated and will likely not be replicated. Furthermore if it works, then likely only with a certain magnets, every detail in that setup matters.

Your upper ring magnet floats freely on the lower one?

If so, interesting is, if we made these ring magnets a slightly cone shape, were it then a completely friction free bearing?

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