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nix85

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Re: Simple and powerful principle
« Reply #60 on: October 30, 2020, 11:30:47 PM »
Naah, just more complications of already overcomplicated system.
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andrea

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Re: Simple and powerful principle
« Reply #61 on: January 24, 2021, 09:01:39 AM »
Quote from: nix85 on October 30, 2020, 11:30:47 PM
Naah, just more complications of already overcomplicated system.



Where is the overunity?
The gain that you could get by transforming the potential energy of the object when it's lifted to the top, is the same of the energy that you have to spend for refill with the same quantity of water the top of the "tower", before to open the valves and make the system start again.
The object, lifting up in the column of water, make an identical amount of water to go down on the bottom. The water that is going down has a specific weight that is the same,  no, a little more of the object's weight (otherwise the object wouldn't lift). When you close the valves to recover the object in the upper side (and then maybe make it fall to move a generator transforming the Ep in real energy ecc ecc), instead of the object remains an equal amount of air. How do you refill that, without consuming the same quantity of energy?
I hope I am wrong, I really would like to see an overunity sample. So please answer me.
Interesting principle, indeed.
Bye
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forest

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Re: Simple and powerful principle
« Reply #62 on: January 24, 2021, 09:51:13 AM »
Example: Take two metal bars , extend both from ground up to  above the Earth atmosphere , then connect them via wire to the load and run load by the generated current due to temperature difference.


Example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqUV_s0-VAQ&t=323s
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Floor

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Re: Simple and powerful principle
« Reply #63 on: January 25, 2021, 01:24:18 AM »
@Nix85

The video you posted on page 1.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxFXsoqbfrk

I have tried my hand at several "work from gravity" designs.

I thought I had it at one point.  It took someone coming along
with an outside perspective to reveal that it was just a case of
tunnel vision on my part.

I have been pondering the present design all day, and I haven't as yet
seen a reason why this is not a  free energy from gravity, method.

I am going to diagram this with real values for the volumes, weights and heights,
while also looking for some error or flaw in the principles.

Of course, as we are all already aware, there is probably something we are not
seeing as of yet, and this will turn out as non O.U..

Nice find, interesting.   Fantastic find, if it pans out well.

best wishes
   floor


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Floor

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Re: Simple and powerful principle
« Reply #64 on: January 26, 2021, 04:19:58 AM »
User andrea peged it right.  But I just couldn't see it till I drew it out

  best wishes
    floor
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FreeEnergy

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Re: Simple and powerful principle
« Reply #65 on: January 28, 2021, 11:40:30 PM »
The amount of fluid loss from the upper tank is very little.
A heavy float should be able to produce enough energy as a falling weight to pump water back up.
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seychelles

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Re: Simple and powerful principle
« Reply #66 on: January 29, 2021, 12:48:48 PM »
THEY MIGHT BE POOR BUT NOT STUPID. THERE MUST BE SOME TRUTH
IN THESE MACHINES.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWgAPB5nReU
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ramset

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Re: Simple and powerful principle
« Reply #67 on: January 29, 2021, 03:42:29 PM »
Seychelles
A good salesman can sell plenty, most FE scam guys
Are good salesmen ....unfinished unshipped machines ?
Two guys working around dozens unfinished?


Camera guy should have started movie at machine running
Equipment that the two workers are using!( yes I know could easily be faked too)
FE scammers ( some very longtime guys)


Some names I don’t want to write here come to mind ....
Makes the blood boil too....


However there are some guys that will say this design you
Post
“Can” be done ... but don’t say how or show working units
So not open source??


This one however should have many more workers IMO
Your link again https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VWgAPB5nReU

Respectfully
Chet K
Ps
I believe the buoyancy concept being mentioned here has been tried ?
Not sure where link is


Forum could use much more organization ...
And of course you never know what new twist could make things cycle
( utilizing magnet or heat or other influences to tip scale







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lancaIV

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Re: Simple and powerful principle
« Reply #68 on: January 29, 2021, 03:45:32 PM »
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Floor

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Re: Simple and powerful principle
« Reply #69 on: January 29, 2021, 05:29:22 PM »
Quote from: FreeEnergy on January 28, 2021, 11:40:30 PM
The amount of fluid loss from the upper tank is very little.
A heavy float should be able to produce enough energy as a falling weight to pump water back up.

The design presented by nix85
@    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxFXsoqbfrk

is I think a very cool design.  If one has a large reservoir at height,
(for example, a mountain lake) one could use the system indefinitely,
as long as nature refreshes the lake with rain at least as rapidly as
the device uses it.  In that case it would be a "free energy device",
in the same respect, as is a dam and power generation station upon a river.
The device would be a free energy device, because the sun and wind are free.
               
    other wise

One will expend exactly (at best) the same amount of energy in lifting water to
fill the upper tank (pumping water) as one would expend in lifting the float by
some other method.

Before friction losses and so, the system is exactly unity.  After friction losses
and so on, the device is less than unity.

     There is no net gain in energy.
The heavier the float used is, the more VOLUME it needs to have in order that it
will be less heavy,  than an equal volume of water.

If the float is not less heavy than an equal volume of water, then it will not float.

The float, in falling from the upper tank, would only ever be able to lift exactly the float's
own weight in water (at best), and then only if the system has not losses as friction
and so on.

floor
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Floor

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Re: Simple and powerful principle
« Reply #70 on: January 29, 2021, 05:42:01 PM »
The tram presented by LankIV is also, I think very cool.  Elegance in simplicity.
By its not O.U.. LankaIV knows this very well / is not claiming it to be O.U..
Ask him your self.

   best wishes
   floor
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seychelles

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Re: Simple and powerful principle
« Reply #71 on: January 29, 2021, 06:12:26 PM »
CHET MY THEORY IS THAT THE FLYWHEEL GAINS ENERGY FORM THE FORCE OF
GRAVITY. THE FLYWHEEL ACCELERATION NEEDS TO BE FASTER THAN THE GRAVITY
ACCELERATION, WHICH IS 9,81 M/S SQUARE. PLUS THE FLYWHEEL HAS TO BE POWERED FROM
IT OUTER RIM, TO GET THE EFFECT OF LEVERAGE.
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seychelles

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Re: Simple and powerful principle
« Reply #72 on: January 29, 2021, 06:13:55 PM »
THE GENERATOR IS CONNECTED DIRECTLY TO THE FLYWHEEL SHAFT.
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seychelles

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Re: Simple and powerful principle
« Reply #73 on: January 29, 2021, 07:04:33 PM »
THE FLYWHEEL IS GOING THROUGH THIS ZERO GRAVITY WHEN IT PAST THAT 9.81M/S SQUARE.
https://www.youtube.com/watch/HQbAwE83phk
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lancaIV

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Re: Simple and powerful principle
« Reply #74 on: January 31, 2021, 08:27:25 PM »
Quote from: Floor on January 29, 2021, 05:42:01 PM
The tram presented by LankIV is also, I think very cool.  Elegance in simplicity.
By its not O.U.. LankaIV knows this very well / is not claiming it to be O.U..
Ask him your self.

   best wishes
   floor


https://www.overunity.com/watermotor/index.htm
compared Mandelstam/Papalexi parametric generator !

Both underunity per cycle,overunity in additive cycles sum !
point of view science and measurement : https://techxplore.com/news/2020-08-black-silicon-uv-responses-efficiency.html


Sincere
OCWL

p.s.:

https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/description?CC=DE&NR=4304132A1&KC=A1&FT=D&ND=3&date=19940818&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP#
In Fig. 6 a paddle wheel is shown, I built this paddle wheel, it is driven by four pumps with a combined power of 900 watts in a circulation process. These four pumps put eight liters per second, in this case water, into the paddle blades. This means on the fall side of the paddle wheel for eight blades of the wheel a weight of over 70 kg and that at the outermost edge of the wheel. The paddle wheel has a diameter of 1.80 m, which results in a radius of 0.90 m, an enormous leverage effect. It goes without saying that a 10 kW generator can stall with such force. If I hadn't stood by it myself, it would be incredible for me with today's technology. FIGS. 2 and 3 are portable power generators and intended for installation in vehicles for locomotion.

                                             
                                                                              1994-08-18
                 written 10 000 W generator output / 900 W pump motors input ratio : sufficient error reserve !
                                        down to                       450 W pump permanent magnet motors input ,2021 standart

f.e.: claimed double efficiency https://www.linkedin.com/company/thor-power-corporation

from the paper water wheel to :
http://translationportal.epo.org/emtp/translate/?ACTION=description-retrieval&COUNTRY=DE&ENGINE=google&FORMAT=docdb&KIND=A1&LOCALE=en_EP&NUMBER=3621312&OPS=ops.epo.org/3.2&SRCLANG=de&TRGLANG=en

https://patents.google.com/patent/DE3621312A1/sv


compact water wheel turbine:
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19801211&CC=DE&NR=2922736A1&KC=A1#

citing documents !
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