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### Author Topic: Simple and powerful principle  (Read 36746 times)

#### Floor

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##### Re: Simple and powerful principle
« Reply #75 on: February 01, 2021, 04:46:28 AM »
So....

I don't think at all, that we should "give up" on looking at or for over untiy or free energy or
alternative energy designs and so on.

I say let's keep on keepen on !

best wishes to all
floor
ps

#### nix85

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##### Re: Simple and powerful principle
« Reply #76 on: February 14, 2021, 08:46:22 PM »

Where is the overunity?
The gain that you could get by transforming the potential energy of the object when it's lifted to the top, is the same of the energy that you have to spend for refill with the same quantity of water the top of the "tower", before to open the valves and make the system start again.
The object, lifting up in the column of water, make an identical amount of water to go down on the bottom. The water that is going down has a specific weight that is the same,  no, a little more of the object's weight (otherwise the object wouldn't lift). When you close the valves to recover the object in the upper side (and then maybe make it fall to move a generator transforming the Ep in real energy ecc ecc), instead of the object remains an equal amount of air. How do you refill that, without consuming the same quantity of energy?
I hope I am wrong, I really would like to see an overunity sample. So please answer me.
Interesting principle, indeed.
Bye

Wrong, you don't have to refill, only open and close 2 valves. Any weight to any height.

#### forest

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##### Re: Simple and powerful principle
« Reply #77 on: February 14, 2021, 09:52:46 PM »
Right.Open two valves and a little push then the problem might be to fall back this weight to the bottom.

#### nix85

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##### Re: Simple and powerful principle
« Reply #78 on: February 14, 2021, 11:49:15 PM »
Why would that be a problem, once on top you just got to lift it over the pool wall. Small electric motor can do that and could be automated.

#### nix85

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##### Re: Simple and powerful principle
« Reply #79 on: April 17, 2021, 08:50:23 PM »
interesting similar principle with compressed air
as u can see air is injected at the bottom
and immediately cylinders are rotated trapping the air
making em buoyant, at the top air is released

https://youtu.be/7-5qd7bEiqA?t=752

ofc, again, i don't suggest anyone follow this
primitive principle with so many better ones out there

#### nix85

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##### Re: Simple and powerful principle
« Reply #80 on: May 15, 2021, 12:31:54 PM »

#### nix85

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##### Re: Simple and powerful principle
« Reply #81 on: October 28, 2021, 11:50:02 PM »
Interesting video, don't know if it's real, claimed principle is as water falls on the left side air suction pulls water up.

#### lltfdaniel1

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##### Re: Simple and powerful principle
« Reply #82 on: November 01, 2021, 11:38:59 PM »
asymmetrical is key to achieving cop over 1 but efficiency never over 100%

#### nix85

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##### Re: Simple and powerful principle
« Reply #83 on: November 11, 2021, 08:42:19 PM »
Here is what appears to be principle used in the video above, it is not fake neither is it free energy.

I linked at key moment, you can see he filled the bottle, screwed the cap and THEN he poured the water into the container. I think water in the container is exerting pressure on the air in the bottle as it tries to rise up the tube, so air in the bottle is at slightly higher pressure than surrounding. As he opens the vent on the bottom water spills out and i guess now pressure in the bottle drops creating suction and water is sucked from the container, but you can see more water is running out than returning and water level is dropping so not perpetual.

https://youtu.be/WGIOuKrxGrA?t=358

#### nix85

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##### Re: Simple and powerful principle
« Reply #84 on: February 11, 2023, 01:11:17 AM »
Video someone posted here but it disappeared.

#### perpetual

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##### Re: Simple and powerful principle
« Reply #85 on: April 06, 2023, 06:34:21 PM »
Travis is back, he has already proven it's self-running in 2010.
he is looking for funds to build even bigger one

pressure = force / area (means small amount of water in narrow high tube can explode a barrel below)

Nix

#### endlessoceans

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##### Re: Simple and powerful principle
« Reply #86 on: April 07, 2023, 12:29:39 AM »
Travis is back, he has already proven it's self-running in 2010.
he is looking for funds to build even bigger one

pressure = force / area (means small amount of water in narrow high tube can explode a barrel below)

Nix

Visually it appears as less energy used but this is not more m=out than in.  YES he is using less air but the DEPTH of water displaced requres greater pressure, he is merely playing with an analogue version of volts vs amps.

Also.....seriously...he is displacing the air and looking at volume only with his LUNGS.  Hardly a scientific CONTROLLED experiment.  If he measures the pressure it takes between comparing the two jars he will find the energy used to pump the air regardless of volume is the same.

Then finally....his big ungainly contraption and its low output with countless moving parts and methods of generating the electricty from all that slow lumbering movement are just tallying up to loss after loss in conversion.   Yes....a 4 tonne ugly unit to not even power my cellphone.

#### perpetual

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##### Re: Simple and powerful principle
« Reply #87 on: April 07, 2023, 04:20:37 PM »
Visually it appears as less energy used but this is not more m=out than in.  YES he is using less air but the DEPTH of water displaced requres greater pressure, he is merely playing with an analogue version of volts vs amps.

Also.....seriously...he is displacing the air and looking at volume only with his LUNGS.  Hardly a scientific CONTROLLED experiment.  If he measures the pressure it takes between comparing the two jars he will find the energy used to pump the air regardless of volume is the same.

Then finally....his big ungainly contraption and its low output with countless moving parts and methods of generating the electricty from all that slow lumbering movement are just tallying up to loss after loss in conversion.   Yes....a 4 tonne ugly unit to not even power my cellphone.

While it is obvious this is one of the simplest, most primitive overunity principles, overunity it is nonetheless and he has looped it back in 2010., believe it or not.

As for your 'argument' that the narrower one requires more pressure is a common skeptical 'argument', if you listen to linked video part 5 above he says that splitter is adjusted so that air volume coming out is the same on either side.

His contraption is indeed big and ungainly, and as i said one of more primitive ones, but still overunity it is.

Nix

#### Willy

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##### Re: Simple and powerful principle
« Reply #88 on: April 07, 2023, 06:12:22 PM »
Re the Wayne Travis device.

1. There are two air tubes.

2. The tubes vent into the aquarium at the same depth (bottom of the aquarium)
they will therefore oppose the same water pressure.

3. If the tubes split off from the same air pump, have the same length and
diameter as each other, they each will therefore the inject the same volume of
air into the tank within any given period of time.

4. If the tubes split off from the same air pump, have the same length and
diameter as each other, they each will therefore the inject the same volume of
air into each of the vessels in any given length of time.

5. The one vessel rises to the surface before the other.  Therefore if given a longer
run time and a heavier weight, it could have instead of rising sooner, lifted a heavier
weight to the surface, than the other vessel lifted ? ? ?

6. This would be more weight lifted to the same height but for the same energy input.

#### Willy

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##### Re: Simple and powerful principle
« Reply #89 on: April 07, 2023, 11:14:22 PM »
Re the Wayne Travis device.

continued

In the video @ Travis Effect Demo 5 - Work Race with Travis Effect VS Standard - YouTube

Neither vessel is being filled with air as efficiently as would be the case,
when the hoses are instead connected to a barbed fitting on the tops of each vessel.
As it is in the video, all of the air is pumped out at the maximum of pressure.
Air is being pumped to greater depth (against greater water pressure) than is needed
in order to put the same volumes at depth, of air into the vessel.

The air at more shallow depths of the containers (the upper interior areas of the containers)
could have been placed there using less energy, although, more and more energy is expended
per unit of volume of air, as the vessels fill with air and the water in the vessels is being
pushed out the bottoms of the vessels.  This is because the air is being pushed to greater
and greater depth.

Independent controlling of the rates of air flow does not change the energy needed to
push a given volume of air to a given depth in the water.