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Title: Steorn demo device
Post by: Nostradam on December 26, 2006, 09:51:29 PM
Hi All

New interesting information available now about "Steorn Toy" at Steorn forum in this thread http://www.steorn.net/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=34731&page=1#Item_0

We have now real practice details to begin some research and development  :)
Title: Re: Steorn demo device
Post by: Nostradam on December 26, 2006, 09:56:38 PM
Sean comments about this device:

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Ok here is how the toy worked (note that this is just an example of our technology, the actual toy was not designed by Steorn but made for internal proof by our partner).

The small (half weight) starts in the primed postion (i.e. gravity will force it to fall and hence is energy into the system). This weight falling rotates the small wheel. Then the large wheel moves circa 30 degrees causing the large weight to lift (the work done). Then the large wheel returns to the start position. The toy stops and starts with the same magnetic potential energy but has done work.

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It is just a 'simple' proof of concept built by others to convince themselves. I know that trying to replicate it without the magnet arrangement (in the black epoxy) will get you no where - sorry!

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Q: " I assume that the kinetic energy of the small wheel, driven by the weight, is what causes the  large wheel (what I call the stator) to move - due to magnetic influence?
Also, what causes the stator to return to the home position - is it the second magnet on the   rotor, or is there a light spring?"

A: None of the actions happen at the same time, they are all in sequence (if it was working correctly on the day it was shot!).


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@ leg, there is a spring that returns the large wheel to its start position ..


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@ leg, there is a lot of coupling and decoupling going on. The movement of the small weight and small wheel are coupled for the first action.

@ nicke, not at this time (waiting for the nod from the guys who own the rights to the video).


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@ jwk, sorry will not be discussing the magnetic array at this time...

@ all, I think that in fact that I may not have the sequencing right, just had a quick look at it again and even as I am watching it, it is kinda hard to explain!

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@ leg, no ratchets, as the the actual sequencing I will have to clear my head and watch the video a few times and take notes, it is not in fact that simple of a toy (the principle is simple).

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@ boomerang,

The toy cycles around a loop but does not restart (if that makes sense to you). He starts the process by releasing the small weight, which provides the input energy. I know that this is the closest that forum members have got to anything 'real' on the tech in here, but this was just a video of an engineer who had build himself a test 'toy'. The actual toy was not that important (I am sure that it has been thrown in a bin a long time ago). Sorry!

Sean

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Title: Re: Steorn demo device
Post by: Liberty on December 26, 2006, 10:07:20 PM
Wonder if this model of 'toy' is anywhere near to being consistent with the power density that the company is claiming with this type of tech?
Title: Re: Steorn demo device
Post by: pinestone on December 28, 2006, 04:33:30 AM
Wonder if this model of 'toy' is anywhere near to being consistent with the power density that the company is claiming with this type of tech?

Hi folks

I had a little time off from work so I started to reverse-engineer their demo from the pix you see above.
Half a dozen or so others have contributed their energies, too.

Heres a link to a directory with images and a movie.

http://www.magnetostatics.us/steorn

I didn't expect the rotor to continue 360+ degrees by only rotating the pendulum -30  0  +30 degrees (60 total).

You would have a better understanding of the principals involved than me;

how about some feedback?

Title: Re: Steorn demo device
Post by: Liberty on December 28, 2006, 04:42:46 AM
Welcome Pinestone,

What kind of magnet configuration was used on the pacman to excite the rotor?
Title: Re: Steorn demo device
Post by: pinestone on December 28, 2006, 04:53:54 AM
The rotor has two 1/4" ceramic ferrite spheres 180 deg apart..

They are polarized opposite each other, and their fields are parallel.

 N----S
    --
    --
    --

    --   
    --
    --
 S----N

The 'pendulum' magnet is a 2 T NEO cube with the south-seeking pole facing the rotor.

Title: Re: Steorn demo device
Post by: Liberty on December 28, 2006, 05:58:50 AM
Nice video Pinestone,

Looked like it started on the attract pole on the rotor and the stator pushed across to the repel side to cause the repel field to rotate the motor 180 degrees to the next attract magnet.  Then when the stator was pushed back the other way into the repel side of the rotor the same thing occurred to complete a cycle. 

They must of used the weights on the toy for energy input to switch the poles?
Title: Re: Steorn demo device
Post by: pinestone on December 28, 2006, 06:23:30 AM
I'm not sure if they used a weight to start the process, or if they need angular momentum to keep it spinning in the same direction.
That's why I added it to mine.

The rotation becomes unstable when I try and pick up a heavy weight on a string, but it will wind up a small weight.

Plenty of room for refinement. I built mine out of a scraped vhs camcorder.
Aluminium against aluminum wastes a lot of energy. I need to put a set of low friction rollers in there and make the pendulum magnet solid. Duct tape is for Red Green. ha ha

is your pmm continuing to run since you built it?
Title: Re: Steorn demo device
Post by: Liberty on December 28, 2006, 04:59:38 PM
I'm not sure if they used a weight to start the process, or if they need angular momentum to keep it spinning in the same direction.
That's why I added it to mine.

The rotation becomes unstable when I try and pick up a heavy weight on a string, but it will wind up a small weight.

Plenty of room for refinement. I built mine out of a scraped vhs camcorder.
Aluminium against aluminum wastes a lot of energy. I need to put a set of low friction rollers in there and make the pendulum magnet solid. Duct tape is for Red Green. ha ha

is your pmm continuing to run since you built it?

@Pinestone,

I have not run my permanent magnet motor continuously since 2005 but on and off.  I took it apart because I am trying to move to a new location and to reuse some of the parts in the next model.  The next models have a low power electronic control circuit that I developed and tested that uses an infra-red light sensor for timing and much better motor precision.

I did run my original 'toy' for several hours per day for about a week and took some walk around movies of it running with a digital camera.  (The movie posted at the web site only shows that it rotates and is a poor video at best).  I use all neo magnets in the rotor and stator (and what appears to be a bit different approach than Steorn).  The permanent magnets provide rotational gain in this motor.  It was my version of a 'toy', but it turns at about 400 RPM @ about 1.44 watts input rather than cycle start and stop. 

My version uses a low power method instead of strictly a mechanical method. 
With more magnetic modules, I think it will improve the torque of the device (as opposed to my first toy), much better and stronger due to one stage driving the next.  I believe that using a low power method provides greater precision (resulting in greater efficiency) in the motor and much more control, and with the option of variable output capability.

Hope things go well for you on your version of the device.  Nice pictures.
Title: Re: Steorn demo device
Post by: CLaNZeR on December 28, 2006, 07:53:24 PM
Quote from: Liberty

I have not run my permanent magnet motor continuously since 2005 but on and off. 

Hi Liberty

I just checked your site, very nice.

Did you ever release more info on your design in these forums?, if so a pointer would be good as interested in having a look.
If not then fair enough as tis fair enough.

Regards

Sean.


Title: Re: Steorn demo device
Post by: Liberty on December 28, 2006, 10:08:26 PM
Quote from: Liberty

I have not run my permanent magnet motor continuously since 2005 but on and off. 

Hi Liberty

I just checked your site, very nice.

Did you ever release more info on your design in these forums?, if so a pointer would be good as interested in having a look.
If not then fair enough as tis fair enough.

Regards

Sean.




Hi CLaNZeR,

I have not made a practice of releasing specific technical operational information on my device yet, except for some electrical data and general characteristics.  If or when I do, I will probably release the main information at my web page.  I was mainly answering Pinestone's question, since Pinestone asked a question about my device, I decided to release some general information about it on this forum in order to answer the question. 

I am also interested to see what Steorn will release about their device in the future, as are many others...  Maybe they have the best way?  I don't know.  I think most others must find it hard to compare with the claimed power of the Steorn device.  Sounds very impressive.
Still don't know a heck of a lot about the Steorn device for sure.

Thanks for your interest.  I will keep your request in mind.  I visited your web page and you have a very nice web page too.  Great pictures.

Liberty
Title: Re: Steorn demo device
Post by: energyman8 on December 28, 2006, 10:51:52 PM
Hey Pinestone,

Glad you made it over here. lol

Worse comes to worse we can all meet up here if need be to discuss things..

Cheers
Title: Re: Steorn demo device
Post by: pinestone on December 28, 2006, 11:27:28 PM
Hi E8

Good to have a backup!

Title: Re: Steorn demo device
Post by: konduct on December 29, 2006, 04:48:57 AM
Hey Pinestone.  What is that laminate that you use in the flux resonators? Is it a polarizer of some sort?  I wasn't sure if it was a trade secret or something you stumbled upon.  I have been using a CRT Monitor to view fields with and would be interested in the 3 dimensional possibilities of using one of your resonators as well.  There didn't seem to be any info on your site relating to how the glass demonstrates the field.  I'm fascinated by it though.  Anything you can tell me?
Title: Re: Steorn demo device
Post by: Liberty on January 02, 2007, 06:05:46 AM
I'm not sure if they used a weight to start the process, or if they need angular momentum to keep it spinning in the same direction.
That's why I added it to mine.

The rotation becomes unstable when I try and pick up a heavy weight on a string, but it will wind up a small weight.

Plenty of room for refinement. I built mine out of a scraped vhs camcorder.
Aluminium against aluminum wastes a lot of energy. I need to put a set of low friction rollers in there and make the pendulum magnet solid. Duct tape is for Red Green. ha ha

is your pmm continuing to run since you built it?

@Pinestone,

I have not run my permanent magnet motor continuously since 2005 but on and off.  I took it apart because I am trying to move to a new location and to reuse some of the parts in the next model.  The next models have a low power electronic control circuit that I developed and tested that uses an infra-red light sensor for timing and much better motor precision.

I did run my original 'toy' for several hours per day for about a week and took some walk around movies of it running with a digital camera.  (The movie posted at the web site only shows that it rotates and is a poor video at best).  I use all neo magnets in the rotor and stator (and what appears to be a bit different approach than Steorn).  The permanent magnets provide rotational gain in this motor.  It was my version of a 'toy', but it turns at about 400 RPM @ about 1.44 watts input rather than cycle start and stop. 

My version uses a low power method instead of strictly a mechanical method. 
With more magnetic modules, I think it will improve the torque of the device (as opposed to my first toy), much better and stronger due to one stage driving the next.  I believe that using a low power method provides greater precision (resulting in greater efficiency) in the motor and much more control, and with the option of variable output capability.

Hope things go well for you on your version of the device.  Nice pictures.

I have updated my web page.  Just a note here for Pinestone and Clanzer.

Liberty
Title: Re: Steorn demo device
Post by: CLaNZeR on January 06, 2007, 01:05:26 PM
Thanks Liberty and sorry for delay in replying, back to working away this week :(

Now thats a better Video, is that a huge speaker you got there bouncing around?

Looks good though, mad but good :)

Look forward to hearing more in the future.

Regards

Sean.
Title: Re: Steorn demo device
Post by: Liberty on January 06, 2007, 03:31:41 PM
Hi CLaNZeR,

Yes, the speaker is a Sony 12" speaker.  It was a readily available actuator. :)  It is  kind of big for the purpose, but it worked.  Too bad Sony doesn't make about a 2 or 3" speaker with the same size magnet and cone travel...  I think that I could find a home for it!

The motor in the movie is a very basic motor, not really "overunity ready", although it may be?  But it shows the motor runs on minimal power input.  I would use the analogy that this motor is similar in nature to some of the first electric motors that were made.  They showed a new principle, but were not ready at that stage to run a compressor.

The multi-magnetic module design should better meet future expectations.

Liberty
Title: Re: Steorn demo device
Post by: CLaNZeR on January 06, 2007, 03:37:54 PM
So the speaker is being used to pulse the magnets in the drum and hence make it spin?

Regards

Sean.