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Title: Two kinds of induction - Henry
Post by: nix85 on January 07, 2020, 06:58:05 AM
This has already been mentioned here but i don't think everything Joseph Henry wrote about it was shared. This is from Scientific writings of Joseph Henry, Section 11, PDF file pages 178. - 185. >> https://i.imgur.com/exKSHHB.jpg (https://i.imgur.com/exKSHHB.jpg)

The book >>
https://ia800302.us.archive.org/27/items/scientificwriti03henrgoog/scientificwriti03henrgoog.pdf (https://ia800302.us.archive.org/27/items/scientificwriti03henrgoog/scientificwriti03henrgoog.pdf)

Altho some of his experiments are not totally clear due to lack of diagrams or better language, it is made perfectly clear, two distinct kinds of induction are observed, one weaker which cannot be screened except with iron and another that can be screened by any metal.

He concludes suddent breaking of contact produces both kinds of induction and that this mysterious first type is akin to induction produced by motion.

Also closely related to this, not my thought but from a guy in that most famous Eric Dollard conference from late 90's...

Ask yourself how does flux running through the core of a transformer induce voltage in the secondary altho it is totally confined in the core and coil is outside of it.

Question also arises if that 'feeble' unscreenable type of induction becomes not so feeble with higher frequency and suddeness of discharge.
Title: Re: Two kinds of induction - Henry
Post by: kajunbee on January 07, 2020, 11:52:31 AM
Good question and hopefully someone can answer your question. I've also asked myself the same thing. I believe what I often overlook is the intimate relationship between the magnetic field and the electric field. In your post it says one can only be shielded by iron and the other shielded by other metals. So if you can answer the question whether and electric field can be shielded by materials other than iron then that may be your clue. Sorry that I'm not able to directly answer your question. Smart questions deserve smart answers. Hopefully someone can give one.
Title: Re: Two kinds of induction - Henry
Post by: nix85 on January 07, 2020, 12:05:42 PM
In simple words, it is by etheric disturbance, magnetic field of the primary affecting the higher order of energy which is then picked up at the secondary and transformed back into magnetic field.
Title: Re: Two kinds of induction - Henry
Post by: nix85 on January 07, 2020, 12:19:54 PM
About ether http://villesresearch.com/ether.html

Etheric Rainmaking with Trevor James Constable
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjeUhQJp5WE

To better understand etheric energy you would have to read

COUNCIL OF 7 LIGHTS and WHEN STARS LOOK DOWN

by George Van Tassel.
Title: Re: Two kinds of induction - Henry
Post by: sm0ky2 on January 08, 2020, 06:48:59 PM
Whoever told you can can magnetize a ferrous material and keep 100%
of the flux “inside the material” was pulling your leg.
Even below saturation, the material produces an external field.
If flux occurs through the material, the external field also fluxes.


Take even our best example of semiconductor grade ceramic ferrite
(or their more expensive rare earth cousin)
Operate the device and place a compass outside of the material.


You observe deflection.
How is all of the flux inside?
If it was all inside, there would be no induction, only conduction.
And the inductive core wouldn’t stick to a magnet!!!


The electric field induces the magnetic, which in turn induces an electric.
100% of this conversion takes place outside of the ferrous material.
In fact, the core doesn’t even need to physically exist.
This won’t change the mode of operation. Only the variables.

Title: Re: Two kinds of induction - Henry
Post by: sm0ky2 on January 08, 2020, 06:58:42 PM
About ether http://villesresearch.com/ether.html (http://villesresearch.com/ether.html)

Etheric Rainmaking with Trevor James Constable
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjeUhQJp5WE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjeUhQJp5WE)

To better understand etheric energy you would have to read

COUNCIL OF 7 LIGHTS and WHEN STARS LOOK DOWN

by George Van Tassel.


I saw this device being tested by the army.
I’m not sure what conclusions were made or what happened with it afterwards.
But the tests are simple.


And can be replicated with a reservoir of water, a conducive tube
and a source of visible heat waves.
It was my understanding that all of the apparatus connected to the device
we’re merely test equipment measuring things like temperatures and
conductivity of the water.


I didn’t make much sense of the science, but the simple answer is
“putting pipes in buckets of water in your yard may make rain”
How?why?wtf? There was not (at the time) a valid explanation.
Title: Re: Two kinds of induction - Henry
Post by: Corton on January 09, 2020, 04:12:30 AM

Altho some of his experiments are not totally clear due to lack of diagrams or better language, it is made perfectly clear, two distinct kinds of induction are observed, one weaker which cannot be screened except with iron and another that can be screened by any metal.

He concludes suddent breaking of contact produces both kinds of induction and that this mysterious first type is akin to induction produced by motion.
It is my understanding that Henry, later in life, could not replicate his mysterious second induction. It was suspected his original data was incorrect.


Question also arises if that 'feeble' unscreenable type of induction becomes not so feeble with higher frequency and suddeness of discharge.

I think too many people default to high frequency as a pathway to free energy. I have yet to see any validity in that line of thinking, maybe, but all power generation we know of on this planet is performed with low frequency.
Title: Re: Two kinds of induction - Henry
Post by: sm0ky2 on January 09, 2020, 04:16:16 AM
It is my understanding that Henry, later in life, could not replicate his mysterious second induction. It was suspected his original data was incorrect


The answer is in the alloys we no longer use.
Title: Re: Two kinds of induction - Henry
Post by: nix85 on January 09, 2020, 05:25:06 AM
Whoever told you can can magnetize a ferrous material and keep 100%
of the flux “inside the material” was pulling your leg...

Well, that is what we are told, every single diagram of a closed transformer depicts flux totally confined, just like field of a toroid really is confined, as shown below.

I have not tried the test with a compass, let's say i believe you it deflects.

In any case we can see INDUCTION does happen outside the ferrite core even at the distance like this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNOtEDkCSpA

Title: Re: Two kinds of induction - Henry
Post by: nix85 on January 09, 2020, 05:52:43 AM
More on leakage flux https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prXkW9l3MzM
Title: Re: Two kinds of induction - Henry
Post by: nix85 on January 09, 2020, 05:59:26 AM
@sm0ky2 Altho leakage happens and no transformer is ideal, most of the flux is confined and the question remains, how then is voltage induced in the secondary since small part of the primary flux ''cuts'' it.

DO NOT PRETEND TO KNOW SINCE U DO NOT. You are trying to explain this in convetional terms and that is why you are deemed to fail in the start.

You MUST consider higher orders of energy when dealing with magnetism.
Title: Re: Two kinds of induction - Henry
Post by: nix85 on January 09, 2020, 06:18:59 AM
We can see in the last video about leakage how guy explains flux prefers to loop on itself through the air, rather than go through the core surrounded by aluminum ring.

He clearly understands NOT, that this is very peculiar thing. Why would flux in the core care about a ring that is OUTSIDE of a core. This is the whole point.

Magnetic field is just an effect, ether is the true medium of transmission.
Title: Re: Two kinds of induction - Henry
Post by: Corton on January 11, 2020, 04:07:28 AM
He clearly understands NOT, that this is very peculiar thing. Why would flux in the core care about a ring that is OUTSIDE of a core. This is the whole point.

Magnetic field is just an effect, ether is the true medium of transmission.

Not sure if I understand what you are writing, your sentences are fragmented (not trying to be rude). However the ring represents/acts link a single turn secondary producing some negligible Lenz. According to the experiments conducted in the video, magnetic flux is not solely contained in a closed core.
Title: Re: Two kinds of induction - Henry
Post by: nix85 on January 11, 2020, 09:20:28 AM
Not sure if I understand what you are writing, your sentences are fragmented (not trying to be rude). However the ring represents/acts link a single turn secondary producing some negligible Lenz. According to the experiments conducted in the video, magnetic flux is not solely contained in a closed core.

What, are you fragmented  (not trying to be rude either)? My sentences are absolutely clear, you are talking about yourself.

''ring represents/acts LINK a single turn''. Eh

You are being confused and totally missed the point. Flux prefers the high reluctance air path rather than low reluctance path through the iron core 'cause of aluminum ring OUTSIDE the core.