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Offline ResinRat2

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No Electric Cars For A Long Time To Come!!
« on: September 18, 2009, 10:21:58 PM »
http://www.businessweek.com/globalbiz/content/sep2009/gb20090917_962378.htm?campaign_id=rss_topStories

Tesla Motors aside, no electric cars are in our future. Lacking infra-structure, range, and weighed down by excessive costs. Get used to driving that gas powered transportation.

Let's not forget that they still don't have the laws in place to road tax these future electric wonders either. Until they get that in place the only electric cars on the road will be toys.

Keep going with your projects everyone.

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Offline FreeEnergy

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Re: No Electric Cars For A Long Time To Come!!
« Reply #1 on: September 18, 2009, 11:18:49 PM »
our best bet is to convert our own vehicles to electric.

forget the manufactures producing it for us, not going to happen at least not for a long time like ResinRat2 said. as if it hasn't been a long time already!

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Re: No Electric Cars For A Long Time To Come!!
« Reply #2 on: September 19, 2009, 06:36:50 PM »

I don't believe it! The Toyota Prius is available now, the Plug in Prius is to
be available soon, This is the worst case. :) Automobile shows are saying
that in the years 2010, 2011 be replete with electric offerings. The key is
the overunity energy sources that will make running these.. be free.
Manufacturing hydrocarbon fuels is tough due to the Q/A quality assurance
chemistry required, Manufacturing hydrogen is relatively easy... So in
general, solutions will not come using standard ICE internal combustion
engines, electrics are fine though. You got to give the engineers time to
work. Once styling features become unique to electrics, the ICE's will
disappear like the north pole on a warm day.

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Re: No Electric Cars For A Long Time To Come!!
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Offline Bulbz

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Re: No Electric Cars For A Long Time To Come!!
« Reply #3 on: September 20, 2009, 01:44:47 AM »
The way battery technology is at the moment, I still think Hydrogen is the way forward !

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Re: No Electric Cars For A Long Time To Come!!
« Reply #4 on: September 21, 2009, 08:16:33 AM »
until the motors are sold for a realistic price, like 1500 for a 3 phase motor, and a controller for the same realistic price, 1500.

the motor and controller should not be more than a gasoline equal, think about it, which uses less materials, few parts, and can be completely build by machines? If we aren't making electric motors for less than a gas engine, something is very wrong.

The same goes for the batteries, until we are charging a fair and resonable price for this stuff, we won't be able to have it, unless we make the decision to just do it. And suck up the cost ourselves.

Our world will not change if we ourselves are not willing to change, we must change our thinking, stop think about how much you can get away with charging for something, and learn what fair and reasonable business model is, and how to impliment it.

I seriously doubt if people are willing to change, they are too profit motivated, they would never sacrifice profit, for morals.


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Re: No Electric Cars For A Long Time To Come!!
« Reply #5 on: August 24, 2020, 07:23:18 PM »
How things change with time.  I bought a Chevy Bolt 2 years ago.  Work has charging stations and I have never paid more than $5 to charge the 60 kilowatt battery at work.  During the summer, and driving the back roads to work, I have gotten as much as 300 miles in range for a 228 mile range car.  With any new technologies, the prices are higher to begin with but come down over the years.  This is the way the research is paid for in developing those technologies.  So the more people purchase electric vehicles, the sooner more vehicles and the infrastructure to support them will come.  With the discounts, zero interest rate and tax rebates we got when purchasing the car, it really was not that bad of a deal. 

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Re: No Electric Cars For A Long Time To Come!!
« Reply #6 on: August 24, 2020, 08:04:26 PM »
Just for fun it would be nice to prototype an 1 eWatth/Km electric vehicle ,for a .4-5 passengers and b. 20 passengers electric cityshuttle !

Wolfgang Volkrodt : 100 Watt rated e-motor for ebikes as assistant enough
                                    100 W  Aminzko electric motor + static magnetic generator
                                    Calculation : ≤ 1 Wh/Km , 10-15 Km-h average

C5 Sinclair : 300 Watt rated e-vehicle
                      Li Yng Tyan gear transmission + Trilles static amplifier

                     Calculation : ≤ 1Wh / Km ,25 Km-h average

Youtube,Indonesia : ic engine bike to 750 Watt ebike conversion

                                750 Watt Aminzko motor + static magnetic amplifier
                                Calculation : ≤ 1 Wh/Km ,40 Km-h average


When the Munich citybus from the M.A.N. company 1988 before needed a 200 hp diesel engine and after hybrid conversion : 'Magnet Motor'/Starnberg  company Flywheel +20 hp diesel engine ,this engine could be changed with a Michel Porquer 4 x 500 Watt electric motor transmission ,this 4 electric motor Aminzko type , loaded by a static magnetic amplifier !

ecityshuttle consume : 1 Wh/Km , 50 Km-h average

When the german low resistance car prototype called "Loremo " should become equipped with a 20 hp gasoil engine and the Michel Porquer 4x500 Watt transmission drive equates  50 hp gasoline engine then this is well enough as eLoremo drive system,with Aminzko motors and static magnetic amplifier !

Calculation : ≤ 1 Wh/Km ,50 Km-h average (120 Km-h street legal max. )


And probably later : the from the pioneers Plauson-T.T.Brown-N.Tesla modernized electric drive modell with capacitive circuit.
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« Last Edit: August 25, 2020, 12:25:54 AM by lancaIV »

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Re: No Electric Cars For A Long Time To Come!!
« Reply #7 on: August 24, 2020, 08:52:16 PM »
Oh dear, more fake news.

First, almost every major automaker either has electric vehicles or has them in development. Second, almost every major automaker has said within 20 years they won't even offer a fossil fueled vehicle, everything will be electric.

So this electric vehicles aren't popular or usable nonsense is just more nonsense.

Myself I have been looking at the Hyundai Kona electric SUV. In fact electric vehicles are almost comparable to there counterparts in price and 415 km range is fine for most trips. As well, I can charge it from my own solar while others are completely dependent on others for fuel. I could also use the battery as backup power for my house. That's real independence and electric is the future.

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Re: No Electric Cars For A Long Time To Come!!
« Reply #8 on: August 25, 2020, 12:27:38 AM »
Oh dear, more fake news.

First, almost every major automaker either has electric vehicles or has them in development. Second, almost every major automaker has said within 20 years they won't even offer a fossil fueled vehicle, everything will be electric.

So this electric vehicles aren't popular or usable nonsense is just more nonsense.

Myself I have been looking at the Hyundai Kona electric SUV. In fact electric vehicles are almost comparable to there counterparts in price and 415 km range is fine for most trips. As well, I can charge it from my own solar while others are completely dependent on others for fuel. I could also use the battery as backup power for my house. That's real independence and electric is the future.

Regards
onepower,up to #reply 4 all postes anno 2009 !

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Re: No Electric Cars For A Long Time To Come!!
« Reply #9 on: August 26, 2020, 03:44:11 PM »
Observing the commercial market we see :
as small sub-/urban electric car the eTwingo ( equipped with ZOE e-motors )
Why 60 KW rated ,these translated to Nm ,when more/less these Nm are more 12-15 KW edrive equivalent ?
Comparison with the by Victor Arestov,ASPP, promoted double winding motors !


When the gasoline  ic engine from the conventional Twingo III   is rated with 80 KW ~ 107 hp this compares by austinev.org ic engine/electric drive
conversion factor  (12,5/136)~ 0,092   

  107 hp combustion engine Nm peak  x 0,092~ 9,85 KW  electric motor rating

In theoretical physics 1 horse power translates with 745,7 Watts,but never by combustion engine average/peak and elctric motor average/peak rating comparisons !
And there are young and old horses ! ::) Different values in Watt average and peak !

By given values and calculation the 50 hp ic engine comparison from the Michel Porquer application FR2792258"Moteur differentiel" equates 50 hp x 0,092 ~ 4,6 KW electric drive ,so we can assume

4 x 500 W e-motors / 4,6 KW = 56,5% savings

John Keyes ic engine  flywheel system : savings 75%
Ralf Walge ic engine  flywheel system : 65% savings

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Re: No Electric Cars For A Long Time To Come!!
« Reply #10 on: August 27, 2020, 04:53:12 AM »
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How things change with time.  I bought a Chevy Bolt 2 years ago.  Work has charging stations and I have never paid more than $5 to charge the 60 kilowatt battery at work.  During the summer, and driving the back roads to work, I have gotten as much as 300 miles in range for a 228 mile range car.  With any new technologies, the prices are higher to begin with but come down over the years.  This is the way the research is paid for in developing those technologies.  So the more people purchase electric vehicles, the sooner more vehicles and the infrastructure to support them will come.  With the discounts, zero interest rate and tax rebates we got when purchasing the car, it really was not that bad of a deal.

There are also trickle down benefits and when it comes time to replace the battery pack you can use the old pack for solar storage at home. As well if your on a smart meter system you can charge the pack at night at the lowest rate then use a grid tie inverter to discharge the pack at peak rates during the day. In some places the peak rate is twice the lowest rate and the newest inverters can be set up to only add power at certain times and only when you need power at peak rates. So your basically always using power or stored power at the lowest rate not the highest.

There are big companies making a killing simply by buying power at the lowest rate, storing it, then selling it at the highest rate. They don't even generate any power, they simply buy low and sell high... brilliant.

Regards

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