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Title: Alternator = sm0ky2
Post by: massive on December 23, 2019, 08:50:06 PM
after reading the H2 thread where Smoky2 described his bench test of grass trimmer , alt and cell experiment, I thought Id link to a Kubota 12 alternator which could be handy for anyone experimenting with gas or motor/gen set up.

they are about 3" diameter and use PM instead of the usual car alt which has to power the magnets up. the gold color part is the PM rotor , the Alloy part is the coil section, there is just 2 wires which go to regulator or home made rectifier.
these are std components used on mowers, small tractors and diggers

I didn't want to add to Ed Mitchells thread as that is supposed to be his and I cant see any moderator control there
toolcortex is an impractical person. He is his own obstacle.

Title: Re: Alternator = sm0ky2
Post by: Toolofcortex on December 23, 2019, 09:04:16 PM
Ed Mitchells should reveal exactly his design, as I have done, in a schematic form.

Wich is just the design of Stephen Meyers. You are arguing about nothing, and showing nothing, I have alreayd cornered you many times but as always
the phase shifting rat phenomenon happens and you just find another corner to hide in, your position is nothingness.

Spill your beans, as I have done, and let it be over with. I seriously grow bored and tired of these games. I am seeking to make a device.

If you have a design please share it as I have. Yes it can be expensive but its another device to add to a list of "to try" "to do".

Personally, I wonder to myself what happened to his brother and if there was success in this venture.

I am willing to make a device as we all are but you never show a device?
Title: Re: Alternator = sm0ky2
Post by: Toolofcortex on December 23, 2019, 09:20:29 PM
Let me also point out something.

This comes from the radio interview, on blogtalkradio in 2007.

He says, *nobody really understood what Stan was doing at the time*, *He figured it out my system is more advanced*.

Anyways, nobody is serious enough for this, and I am not. I thought I was gonna be but am not ready for trying this patent.

Sadly, many evenues must be left unexplored. Thanks to you ungrateful whiny cunts such as yourselves.
Title: Re: Alternator = sm0ky2
Post by: Toolofcortex on December 23, 2019, 09:27:03 PM
My days on overunity are done, I am private maker. I believe, that overunity is not achieveable unless the aliens masters actually give you permission.

I dislike the whole idea of me doing all the work, and the lack of intellect amongst these people is annoying, the endless procrastinating.

Hopefully somebody can pick up and my ideas were not wortkhess in time.

Title: Re: Alternator = sm0ky2
Post by: sm0ky2 on December 24, 2019, 02:38:38 AM
Nice find on the generator, thank you

When I was experimenting with H2 I usually used older car alternators
with PM just for that reason.
Field coils always bothered me..... they are only used in generation because
of cost and convenience, and sometimes weight...
But it’s an inefficient concept.... yes technically we use energy making the magnets
But pays for itself over time by NOT using energy to excite the coils.
some newer models (as I have seen mechanics do) have a small magnet on the side
which excites the field coil and doesn’t require power to the coils, they “self-excite”

But still, PM’s are better in my opinion. And makes energy analysis of the system easier.

Title: Re: Alternator = sm0ky2
Post by: sm0ky2 on December 24, 2019, 02:48:18 AM
Meyers was working on an extension of Victor Schauberger’s work.
Start there, at the beginning and you will see what/why Stan was doing that.

Frankly, the open-air combustion of H2 + O is so thermodynamically unbalanced from
it’s production that to call it anything less than infinite energy in a clean renewable cycle
is just giving it another name..... it doesn’t really how you made the stuff, it will melt your
piston heads off the engine if you run it for too long.
To actually use the stuff we need to bore our cylinders larger
use titanium piston heads and expand the thickness of the block
add more coolant paths, etc...
It’s not complicated science, set the engine aside and just use it as a torch.
You can boil water and time the event.
Melt almost anything.....
Or heat a thermal converter
or thermal storage unit.
You could even make steam and run a large generator.

They compare electrolysis to Fuel Cells to meet the 2nd law.
Not to combustion.
They shut down Brown, saying his claims were bogus... “Brown’s Gas, my ass!”

Do the math on the combustion and see the numbers for yourselves.
Don’t trust scientists paid by the oil cartels.

Hydrogen releases all of its energy almost in an instant.
Much much faster explosions than gasoline.
When the O2 is greater than a stoichiometric mixture, the temperature is so high
that the oxygen itself acts as a fuel, further increasing the heat.

I think the best H2 car would be ran by a sterling engine and a torch in a burn chamber.
Or be powered by a closed-cycle steam engine in a similar manner.

Direct conversion of the heat, rather than the thermal expansion force.

Alternatively, similar efficiency could be achieved by turning the ICE engine block into a TEG
to recycle the heat back into the electrolysis process.

Title: Re: Alternator = sm0ky2
Post by: sm0ky2 on December 24, 2019, 02:56:34 AM
I once engineered a TEG radiator.

Perhaps that could have applications in H2 ICE cars
Title: Re: Alternator = sm0ky2
Post by: citfta on December 24, 2019, 01:32:07 PM
Hi Smoky2,

You seem to be a little confused about why field coils are used in an automotive alternator instead of permanent magnets.  If permanent magnets were used to excite the alternator the output voltage would be directly related to the speed of the alternator.  By regulating the current through the exciting coils of the alternator the alternator is able to produce near constant voltage under varying loads and engine speeds.  A necessary requirement for automotive use of an alternator.

You are correct that permanent magnets are more efficient.  That is why they are used extensively in industrial DC motors and even in small hobby motors used in RC airplanes and RC cars.

And what is a TEG radiator please?  I am not familiar with that term.

Title: Re: Alternator = sm0ky2
Post by: sm0ky2 on December 24, 2019, 02:50:43 PM
Thnx Carroll
I guess I never thought about that situation with the belt speed
and whatnot...
Makes sense...

TEG radiator was essentially a series of Seebeck generators
integrated into the water cooling system, such that a portion
of the heat is converted directly into electricity to power onboard systems.
It was designed for utility purpose in the shipping and commercial transport industries.

But also could have applications in passenger vehicles to improve efficiency.
In particular, a water fueled vehicle could use the electricity for fuel production.

Title: Re: Alternator = sm0ky2
Post by: Toolofcortex on December 24, 2019, 03:33:33 PM
You are talking way too much gibberish, can you turn the nonsense bot off?

In the current state of art, There is no such thing as a self looping hydrogen engine that recharges its batteries and provides power.

For that, you need to run the engine at high speed, not at idle.

There is also the problem of thermal runoff and steam generation due to the cell running hot after time.

If the cell doesnt run hot and all the amperage restricted in the way others like ed mitchell shows (minuscule bubbles), then not much electrolysis is hapening thus not much gas. Theres about 100 people on ionizationx that produced the VIC and produced bubbles.

It simply is banal electrolysis, the amount of gas is minuscule so of course it stays cold, or should we say absorbs heat more slowly and dissipates it.

All these problems are well known by science, there are no greener pastures available by making electrolysis and hooking up to the engine and somehow completing the loop with water only, not with current state of art.

Now in the Stephen Meyers MLS hydroxyl paper, a novel way of going about electrolysis about is described and a schematic is given.

Now this man, Stephen Meyers, is a subject matter expert, and has seen all that could be seen and all that could be known. Whatever he says, goes, and if it doesnt go then consider it a dud and phony.

Anything anybody else said, Ed Mitchell, Smoky2, is automatic garbage from non subject-matter expert, and goes straight to the trash. Also, your way of presenting data or theories is not even worthy of mention or review.
Title: Re: Alternator = sm0ky2
Post by: sm0ky2 on December 24, 2019, 04:20:54 PM
Take a look back at the H2 threads here.
We had a lot of fun back in the day

Thermal build-up in the electrolyzer is a volumetric equation
the problem is resultant from too much current over time per volume.
Solutions include decreasing the current and boosting the voltage
Or increasing the volume of the reservoir.
Other implementations have included heat-sink layers around the containers.
(with varying levels of success)

Another source of electrolyzer thermal-build up is internal pressure.
This can become significant in large tanks with high production rates.
Multiple smaller tanks can be used instead.

Pulse generation can also limit heat build-up,
and you are correct in your thinking, this does inhibit gas production.
Simply enlarge the electrolysis system to provide the gas needed for your engine.
I have seen as many as 8 electrolysis chambers experimented with.
(And yes it takes up a lot of space)

I don’t mind criticism. It helps push technological advancements
But if you are just here to say “Nay”
At least use your noggin a little bit.

It is a Carnot cycle. Now set your presumptuous educational hoopla aside
and look at the box the system is contained in.
If we are recycling thermal energy from the cold side back into the hot side
We have now exceeded the 50% efficiency constraint.

Let it sink in before you pick your book back up....
Title: Re: Alternator = sm0ky2
Post by: sm0ky2 on December 24, 2019, 04:42:02 PM
Realize that the radiator of an ICE is a secondary heat engine
Built into the system

It doesn’t “do” anything, but that’s just lack of design
it waste heat just the same.
If we used that heat, it’s less wasted energy.
We can furthermore place peltier/seebeck devices around the
engine block and exhaust systems.

Now the math gets interesting, from a thermodynamic perspective.
Compared to everything else the car is made of,
Aluminum and graphite are abundant and cheap.
modern radiators are already made with a heavy aluminum content,
the design change is minuscule, a backyard mechanic can do it in his head.
Though an automotive corporation would spend millions in R&D and testing.

TEGs have been in use on tractor-trailers for 50 yrs.
Some of the nice ones can recover as much as 20% of the engine’s power
With a small ring placed around the exhaust pipe.
These are used to power 1-5kW electrical systems in the cab.
They are expensive, but pay for themselves in gas over time, by not needed to
generate that much power.

Title: Re: Alternator = sm0ky2
Post by: sm0ky2 on December 24, 2019, 05:02:35 PM
If the radiator were a pipe
imagine a continuous outer sheath of peltier junctions, and heat sink material
to transfer heat to the wind on the outside.
The shape and design of the radiator doesn’t change.
We simply add the junction layer between the heat source and sink

You can use the pencil you wrote it with......

Ultimately capitalism will take over and they will be made with semiconductor ceramics
and the “generator radiator” will be expensive....
This will be limited somewhere at which the ability to generate electricity and
the ability to dissipate heat balance out with the engine specs.

But a cheap reliable product can be made with inexpensive materials.
I experimented with every conductor I was able to obtain
and the best TEGs for the $ or ease of gathering supplies
are made of Aluminum and Graphite.
Soda cans and pencils or whatever

A greater number of smaller junctions can make electricity faster
A smaller number of larger junctions can dissipate heat faster
It is an inversely proportionate relationship based on the thermal conductivity of
the materials.
Title: Re: Alternator = sm0ky2
Post by: sm0ky2 on December 24, 2019, 05:27:17 PM
TEG insulation can be placed inside the interior paneling
And your car be be a solar-thermal Generator while it is parked.
(and not be quite so hot when you get back in it)

Similarly, when it’s cold the insulation would generate electricity from your heater
instead of just radiating your warmth to the outside in waste.

We know what happens in a closed system. We don’t need to look there.

Let’s think about open systems, systems inside of systems, or interlinked to share and
communicate energy. What we do with the energy in all forms of conversion should be
carefully considered with everything we are doing.
Wether we do anything with it or not, acknowledging that it’s there, keeping that awareness
opens the door to do something with it later.

We think of the radiator as being a device to solve a problem.
What’s the problem?
There’s too much heat (energy).
That’s the problem?
Yep. Radiator coils stuff down.....

Listen to the same Toyota engineer try to have a serious conversation about the efficiency
of his engine......

Supply and demand runs our economy.
If we started getting serious about how we use that energy, we will find that
we don’t have a shortage at all
the commodity providers won’t know what to do with all that energy they can’t sell

Title: Re: Alternator = sm0ky2
Post by: massive on December 24, 2019, 07:09:31 PM
I was researching heat exchangers (geet ect) and drifted to tractors which led me to cars and holley sold exchangers back in the 1920s. maybe useful info, check the diagrams against the real thing , which are also on ebay
maybe relative to radiator experiments
Title: Re: Alternator = sm0ky2
Post by: massive on December 24, 2019, 07:11:25 PM
Supply and demand runs our economy.
If we started getting serious about how we use that energy, we will find that
we don’t have a shortage at all
the commodity providers won’t know what to do with all that energy they can’t sell

this is true. we allow people to have control over us, its voluntary