Ed Mitchells should reveal exactly his design, as I have done, in a schematic form.

Wich is just the design of Stephen Meyers. You are arguing about nothing, and showing nothing, I have alreayd cornered you many times but as always
the phase shifting rat phenomenon happens and you just find another corner to hide in, your position is nothingness.

Spill your beans, as I have done, and let it be over with. I seriously grow bored and tired of these games. I am seeking to make a device.

If you have a design please share it as I have. Yes it can be expensive but its another device to add to a list of "to try" "to do".

Personally, I wonder to myself what happened to his brother and if there was success in this venture.

I am willing to make a device as we all are but you never show a device?

My days on overunity are done, I am private maker. I believe, that overunity is not achieveable unless the aliens masters actually give you permission.

I dislike the whole idea of me doing all the work, and the lack of intellect amongst these people is annoying, the endless procrastinating.

Hopefully somebody can pick up and my ideas were not wortkhess in time.

Meyers was working on an extension of Victor Schauberger’s work.
Start there, at the beginning and you will see what/why Stan was doing that.


Frankly, the open-air combustion of H2 + O is so thermodynamically unbalanced from
it’s production that to call it anything less than infinite energy in a clean renewable cycle
is just giving it another name..... it doesn’t really how you made the stuff, it will melt your
piston heads off the engine if you run it for too long.
To actually use the stuff we need to bore our cylinders larger
use titanium piston heads and expand the thickness of the block
add more coolant paths, etc...
It’s not complicated science, set the engine aside and just use it as a torch.
You can boil water and time the event.
Melt almost anything.....
Or heat a thermal converter
or thermal storage unit.
You could even make steam and run a large generator.




They compare electrolysis to Fuel Cells to meet the 2nd law.
Not to combustion.
They shut down Brown, saying his claims were bogus... “Brown’s Gas, my ass!”


Do the math on the combustion and see the numbers for yourselves.
Don’t trust scientists paid by the oil cartels.

Hydrogen releases all of its energy almost in an instant.
Much much faster explosions than gasoline.
When the O2 is greater than a stoichiometric mixture, the temperature is so high
that the oxygen itself acts as a fuel, further increasing the heat.



I think the best H2 car would be ran by a sterling engine and a torch in a burn chamber.
Or be powered by a closed-cycle steam engine in a similar manner.


Direct conversion of the heat, rather than the thermal expansion force.


Alternatively, similar efficiency could be achieved by turning the ICE engine block into a TEG
to recycle the heat back into the electrolysis process.

Hi Smoky2,


You seem to be a little confused about why field coils are used in an automotive alternator instead of permanent magnets.  If permanent magnets were used to excite the alternator the output voltage would be directly related to the speed of the alternator.  By regulating the current through the exciting coils of the alternator the alternator is able to produce near constant voltage under varying loads and engine speeds.  A necessary requirement for automotive use of an alternator.


You are correct that permanent magnets are more efficient.  That is why they are used extensively in industrial DC motors and even in small hobby motors used in RC airplanes and RC cars.


And what is a TEG radiator please?  I am not familiar with that term.


Carroll

You are talking way too much gibberish, can you turn the nonsense bot off?

In the current state of art, There is no such thing as a self looping hydrogen engine that recharges its batteries and provides power.

For that, you need to run the engine at high speed, not at idle.

There is also the problem of thermal runoff and steam generation due to the cell running hot after time.

If the cell doesnt run hot and all the amperage restricted in the way others like ed mitchell shows (minuscule bubbles), then not much electrolysis is hapening thus not much gas. Theres about 100 people on ionizationx that produced the VIC and produced bubbles.

It simply is banal electrolysis, the amount of gas is minuscule so of course it stays cold, or should we say absorbs heat more slowly and dissipates it.

All these problems are well known by science, there are no greener pastures available by making electrolysis and hooking up to the engine and somehow completing the loop with water only, not with current state of art.

Now in the Stephen Meyers MLS hydroxyl paper, a novel way of going about electrolysis about is described and a schematic is given.

Now this man, Stephen Meyers, is a subject matter expert, and has seen all that could be seen and all that could be known. Whatever he says, goes, and if it doesnt go then consider it a dud and phony.

Anything anybody else said, Ed Mitchell, Smoky2, is automatic garbage from non subject-matter expert, and goes straight to the trash. Also, your way of presenting data or theories is not even worthy of mention or review.

Realize that the radiator of an ICE is a secondary heat engine
Built into the system


It doesn’t “do” anything, but that’s just lack of design
it waste heat just the same.
If we used that heat, it’s less wasted energy.
We can furthermore place peltier/seebeck devices around the
engine block and exhaust systems.


Now the math gets interesting, from a thermodynamic perspective.
Compared to everything else the car is made of,
Aluminum and graphite are abundant and cheap.
modern radiators are already made with a heavy aluminum content,
the design change is minuscule, a backyard mechanic can do it in his head.
Though an automotive corporation would spend millions in R&D and testing.


TEGs have been in use on tractor-trailers for 50 yrs.
Some of the nice ones can recover as much as 20% of the engine’s power
With a small ring placed around the exhaust pipe.
These are used to power 1-5kW electrical systems in the cab.
They are expensive, but pay for themselves in gas over time, by not needed to
generate that much power.

TEG insulation can be placed inside the interior paneling
And your car be be a solar-thermal Generator while it is parked.
(and not be quite so hot when you get back in it)


Similarly, when it’s cold the insulation would generate electricity from your heater
instead of just radiating your warmth to the outside in waste.


We know what happens in a closed system. We don’t need to look there.


Let’s think about open systems, systems inside of systems, or interlinked to share and
communicate energy. What we do with the energy in all forms of conversion should be
carefully considered with everything we are doing.
Wether we do anything with it or not, acknowledging that it’s there, keeping that awareness
opens the door to do something with it later.


We think of the radiator as being a device to solve a problem.
What’s the problem?
There’s too much heat (energy).
That’s the problem?
Yep. Radiator coils stuff down.....


Listen to the same Toyota engineer try to have a serious conversation about the efficiency
of his engine......


Supply and demand runs our economy.
If we started getting serious about how we use that energy, we will find that
we don’t have a shortage at all
the commodity providers won’t know what to do with all that energy they can’t sell