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synchro1

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Re: "Quantum Receiver".
« Reply #120 on: December 12, 2019, 08:37:39 PM »
Measuring Self-Capacitance and Self-Resonant Frequency SRF of Inductors


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjbK4LsOQRk


Nice find. Excellent video. A square wave generator and an osciilliscope. DR. Stifler was right though, you need a basic course in Scope Tronnics to run the equipment.

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Re: "Quantum Receiver".
« Reply #121 on: December 12, 2019, 08:40:33 PM »
13.59 MHz   ;D

synchro1

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« Reply #122 on: December 12, 2019, 09:04:08 PM »
That scope chop would disappear if you rewound the coil with magnet wire. Looks like you have the technique down, congratulations!. Good chance that one will work! Won't be long now!

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Re: "Quantum Receiver".
« Reply #123 on: December 12, 2019, 09:14:20 PM »
Build an Avramenko plug to test it. The plug can have two reversed LED's connected to the ends of the two reversed diodes; It will work one way or the other. Connect one end of the coil to the signal generator electrode set to the 13.52 Mhz with no power, with the ground wire free; Then see if an LED illuminates in the static field in proximity to the coil.

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Re: "Quantum Receiver".
« Reply #124 on: December 12, 2019, 09:45:05 PM »
Would it be better to use a higher diameter for the coil, and less turns ?The highest Q is achieved by using only 1 turn of very thick copper (magnetic loop antenna).Those antennas have a very high Q.
Or maybe a flat coil with only a few windings, like Tesla used ?

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« Reply #125 on: December 12, 2019, 09:59:09 PM »
Would it be better to use a higher diameter for the coil, and less turns ?The highest Q is achieved by using only 1 turn of very thick copper (magnetic loop antenna).Those antennas have a very high Q.
Or maybe a flat coil with only a few windings, like Tesla used ?


This L-3 coil is I/2 of a short wave radio transmitter resonating tuner circuit tank. It is tuned to receive a power broadcast from Space. It's no different from a normal short wave radio transmitting or receiving coil. Does yours work?

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Re: "Quantum Receiver".
« Reply #126 on: December 12, 2019, 09:59:12 PM »
There are also commercial 13.56 MHz antennas available, for RFID applications, like this one: 

https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Free-Sample-Long-Range-PET-13_60597153218.html


I wonder why nobody detected any strange effects with this frequency, when it is so widely used in the industry.

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Re: "Quantum Receiver".
« Reply #127 on: December 12, 2019, 10:04:45 PM »
There are also commercial 13.56 MHz antennas available, for RFID applications, like this one: 

https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Free-Sample-Long-Range-PET-13_60597153218.html


I wonder why nobody detected any strange effects with this frequency, when it is so widely used in the industry.


Go ahead and buy a bunch of those. They're only 12 cents! I don't see any reason why they wouldn't work. That would really be something! The wire gauge is diaphanous though.

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Re: "Quantum Receiver".
« Reply #128 on: December 12, 2019, 10:29:35 PM »

Here's a thicker gauge variety of spiral:

https://www.aliexpress.com/i/32859268160.html

skywatcher

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« Reply #129 on: December 12, 2019, 10:38:10 PM »
Here's a thicker gauge variety of spiral:

https://www.aliexpress.com/i/32859268160.html

I doubt those have a SRF of 13.56 MHz... with only 20mm diameter and only a few turns.

I now have 2 identical coils (like the yellow one i previously showed) and both have SRF of 13.44 MHz. That's as close as i can get.

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Re: "Quantum Receiver".
« Reply #130 on: December 12, 2019, 11:08:01 PM »
Build an Avramenko plug to test it. The plug can have two reversed LED's connected to the ends of the two reversed diodes; It will work one way or the other. Connect one end of the coil to the signal generator electrode set to the 13.52 Mhz with no power, with the ground wire free; Then see if an LED illuminates in the static field in proximity to the coil.

*hmmm*

It's not enough to illuminate a LED (only 250 mVpp) but the strange thing is: the voltage does not depend on the distance between sending and receiving coil.   :o
(i varied the distance from 10 cm to approx. 1.5 m and in this range the voltage is constant)


I connected the sending coil to the generator (only one end, the other end open), generator was running at 13.44 MHz and 10V sinewave.
On the receiving coil i connected only one LED, no other diodes. What is the purpose of the normal diodes ? 

The LED itself is a diode so it should also work without additional diodes (?)

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« Reply #131 on: December 12, 2019, 11:15:23 PM »
*hmmm*

It's not enough to illuminate a LED (only 250 mVpp) but the strange thing is: the voltage does not depend on the distance between sending and receiving coil.   :o
(i varied the distance from 10 cm to approx. 1.5 m and in this range the voltage is constant)


I connected the sending coil to the generator (only one end, the other end open), generator was running at 13.44 MHz and 10V sinewave.
On the receiving coil i connected only one LED, no other diodes. What is the purpose of the normal diodes ? 

The LED itself is a diode so it should also work without additional diodes (?)


Do you know what an Avramenko plug is? Nothing connects to the end of the coil except the clip lead. You need to make a plug now to receive the capacitance.

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Re: "Quantum Receiver".
« Reply #132 on: December 12, 2019, 11:17:12 PM »
With a wire (30 cm) at the open end of the coil the receiving voltage increases to 350 mVpp.
Ok, this is not a miracle, it's what ham radio operators do all the time: they are also using short vertical antennas with a coil at the base to tune it.
And everything i tested was near-field, less than one wavelength between transmitter and receiver.
It works even better when i change the frequency at the generator to 12.4 MHz.

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Re: "Quantum Receiver".
« Reply #133 on: December 12, 2019, 11:19:55 PM »
With a wire (30 cm) at the open end of the coil the receiving voltage increases to 350 mVpp.
Ok, this is not a miracle, it's what ham radio operators do all the time: they are also using short vertical antennas with a coil at the base to tune it.
And everything i tested was near-field, less than one wavelength between transmitter and receiver.
It works even better when i change the frequency at the generator to 12.4 MHz.


You need an Avramenko plug to illuminate the LED. Do you know what I'm talking about?

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Re: "Quantum Receiver".
« Reply #134 on: December 12, 2019, 11:20:14 PM »
Do you know what an Avramenko plug is?

I googled it, and there seem to be many different versions...