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Author Topic: MECHANICAL LEVERAGE  (Read 1425 times)

Offline seychelles

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MECHANICAL LEVERAGE
« on: November 26, 2019, 12:46:11 PM »
HI ALL I AM A CAP LOCK ADDICT SO PLEASE BEAR WITH ME.
AS PER THIS DIAGRAM WE SHOULD HAVE AT LEAST 200 % overunity.

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MECHANICAL LEVERAGE
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Re: MECHANICAL LEVERAGE
« Reply #1 on: November 26, 2019, 12:56:36 PM »




It appears that you don't understand basic physics.  A lever converts force into distance or vice versa.  It does not produce over unity.  In your example the end of the lever connected to the generator will have 200 % less force than the end connected to the motor.  And that end will have to move in a much bigger circle than what you have drawn.




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Re: MECHANICAL LEVERAGE
« Reply #2 on: November 26, 2019, 12:58:00 PM »
EXTRAPULATED.

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« Reply #2 on: November 26, 2019, 12:58:00 PM »
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Re: MECHANICAL LEVERAGE
« Reply #3 on: November 26, 2019, 01:01:22 PM »
CORRECTOMONDO CRITA

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Re: MECHANICAL LEVERAGE
« Reply #4 on: November 26, 2019, 01:05:30 PM »
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A lever is a rigid body capable of rotating on a point on itself. ... A lever amplifies an input force to provide a greater output force, which is said to provide leverage. The ratio of the output force to the input force is the mechanical advantage of the lever.

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« Reply #5 on: November 26, 2019, 01:25:05 PM »
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A lever is a rigid body capable of rotating on a point on itself. ... A lever amplifies an input force to provide a greater output force, which is said to provide leverage. The ratio of the output force to the input force is the mechanical advantage of the lever.


That is true but it only tells half the story.  The input force has to move farther than the output force for the output force to be greater.  In your drawing the output force will be much smaller than the input force.  Force times distance equals power.  A lever only converts one into the other.  It does NOT increase power therefore it cannot give overunity.




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Re: MECHANICAL LEVERAGE
« Reply #6 on: November 26, 2019, 03:54:16 PM »
https://jbpowersystems.weebly.com/  ( Jerry Blevins R. I. P)

Watching and studying the use from the given formulas. !



https://jbpowersystems.weebly.com/the-energy-multiplier-system.html
"In this picture is a person moving .... "

Such real world demonstration would give the possibility to exermine input/output mechanical/heat/electricalresults. !

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Offline seychelles

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Re: MECHANICAL LEVERAGE
« Reply #7 on: November 26, 2019, 09:50:40 PM »
HI I AM SORRY BUT THERE SHOULD BE A CORRECTION OF THE ABOVE DIAGRAM.
THE MOTOR SHOULD BE THE GENERATOR AND VICE VERSA.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPTNKnCqlW4

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Re: MECHANICAL LEVERAGE
« Reply #8 on: November 26, 2019, 10:19:31 PM »
It makes no difference which is the motor and which is the generator.  The video you linked to clearly shows the lever only trades force for distance.  The power is the same on both ends of the lever.  You can get more force with shorter travel or more travel with less force.  No OVERUNITY!!  The math in the video clearly shows this.




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Re: MECHANICAL LEVERAGE
« Reply #9 on: November 27, 2019, 07:42:46 PM »
YEAH CRITA ONE LITTLE SECRET I AM KEEPING CLOSE TO MY LITTLE HEART..

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Re: MECHANICAL LEVERAGE
« Reply #10 on: November 28, 2019, 08:31:55 AM »
then you have nothing to tell us.

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Re: MECHANICAL LEVERAGE
« Reply #11 on: November 28, 2019, 08:50:54 AM »
We all know lever physics...


However, when the length of the lever approaches
a greater than negligible % of 9.8m:


There is a gravitational effect of acceleration.
As Archer Quinn showed us in the “roll on June 20th” thread
This effect can have considerable consequences on the mathematics.


MGH

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Re: MECHANICAL LEVERAGE
« Reply #12 on: November 28, 2019, 09:00:05 AM »
That fact is off of this subject, but to discount leverage on its’ own accord
Is folly.


Tangential force of a rotating mass can have more momentum
than the force that it derived from.


Although the time derivative associates a longer spin-up duration
The negative force is overcome by the momentum in many set-ups.
in laymen’s terms, it takes more energy for the smaller motor to
stop the larger spinning mass than it took to spin it up.
Force / time


This does not necessarily mean “overunity”, but it cannot be ruled out
in every situation.


There exists motor/gen combinations which are viable for our purpose.
(and 1000x more hoaxes replicating the same)

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Re: MECHANICAL LEVERAGE
« Reply #13 on: November 28, 2019, 10:41:13 AM »
JUST OBSERVE AND APPRECIATE THE PICS OF THE LOCOMOTIVE DRIVE WHEELS.
ARE THEY ASSYMTRICAL OR NOT.

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Re: MECHANICAL LEVERAGE
« Reply #14 on: November 28, 2019, 11:37:01 AM »
sm0key,it is not for me the point : OU ~ surplus output energy or not  !
The lever effect is as same like a transmission/transformer step up or step down ratio effect,working with motors and generators the seconds need low rpm and this makes the use of motor-generator concepts expensive  !
The given transmission ratio for a driving vehicle  :
http://translationportal.epo.org/emtp/translate/?ACTION=description-retrieval&COUNTRY=DE&ENGINE=google&FORMAT=docdb&KIND=A1&LOCALE=en_EP&NUMBER=19522794&OPS=ops.epo.org/3.2&SRCLANG=de&TRGLANG=en
This now as stationary motor-generator set. :
http://translationportal.epo.org/emtp/translate/?ACTION=description-retrieval&COUNTRY=DE&ENGINE=google&FORMAT=docdb&KIND=A1&LOCALE=en_EP&NUMBER=4304132&OPS=ops.epo.org/3.2&SRCLANG=de&TRGLANG=en
when we calculate for a 1 KW 3000 RPM  generator with 100 Euros selling price then

For 1 KW :

3000 RPM. 100 Euros
1500 RPM.  200 Euros
750 RPM.    400 Euros
375 RPM.    800 Euros
187,5 RPM. 1600 Euros
this list above are only the 1 KW generator part costs - fob factory-

+ electric motor  costs + transmission gear

 calculating then all the investment sum ( 2500 Euros per KW nominal and 0,7 KW net) and amortize for each KWh- electricity generation costs we get

5 Euro-cents/KWh ( 2500 x 0,125) / (8766 x 0,7) where 0,125 the then years amortization by 2,5% capial tax and 8766 the permanent work in hours per year and 0,7 the net KWh output ( generator less motor input and gear losses)

~ conventional wind generator and photovoltaic electricity KWh- costs with lower investment need


This are net production costs without " patent price leverage" : typical factor ~ 6 times the production costs
Nobody in industry will invest in a 30 Euro-cents/KWh motor-generator marketing concept, specially in this case without patent rights safety !

Only when in future the EZB will inflationate by helicopter-money the energy market prices by 1000% and more  !

A first physical and economical difference is to use higher rpm electric motors ( from grid- norm 3000 RPM/50Hz) to 6000 RPM/100 Hz or 12000 RPM/ 200 Hz and using 375 RPM ( by 6000  RPM motor )
or now " conventional small wind" 750 RPM ( by 12000 RPM motor) generator which let us get the total investment sum lower. !

Watching this"step down concept"  like many others vids about OU or conventional energy transforming devices I do calculate the equipment costs per KWh-unit :
https://m.youtube.com/watch?t=64s&v=UukXtWSLnh8

Near the 3 Eurocents/KWh by permanent work , only calculating with production costs : no profit diy project

The only worth of OU-devices is to generate elctricity/energy cheaply. ! The OU-effect by itself is worthless  !

For me free wind-, free radiation-/free gravity-/free water force and free molecular/atomar forces and their to electricity conversion are "OU"-same. !
  FREE = F UNITS ~ OU UNITS , free ~ temporarily unbonded ( Gibbs theorem)

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