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Author Topic: Getting energy from asymmetry of the magnetic field experiment  (Read 19800 times)

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Re: Getting energy from asymmetry of the magnetic field experiment
« Reply #90 on: January 21, 2020, 10:24:49 PM »
Yes, exactly, small magnet is being repelled, but it has not only vertical,
but a horizontal vector as well, IMHO.

Yes, at some distance there certainly is some horizontal vector of that. But i tried to measure that horizontal component every way i could, i couldn't find any measurable force. One way is to put some surface on the small magnet, as it is repelled, and no longer stays on the surface below, to be able to measure that horizontal component. There is certainly some horizontal force in that case, but it may not be strong enough, so that the spring scales can measure.


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Re: Getting energy from asymmetry of the magnetic field experiment
« Reply #91 on: January 22, 2020, 12:42:01 AM »
Telecom, good if you would replicate, very important. Fish scales, spring scales, but maybe even the best is weight over a pulley. Somewhat difficult to make though, i think i did it in the simplest way.


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Re: Getting energy from asymmetry of the magnetic field experiment
« Reply #92 on: January 22, 2020, 11:39:15 PM »
I will order digital scale on Amazon.
Like those:
https://www.amazon.ca/AMPPHY-Electronic-Portable-Hanging-Luggage

Meanwhile was playing with different angles of the large magnet.
I've noticed that small magnet produces quite a lot of vertical force
on the way out.
It can be added to the output through some kind of a mechanical leverage,
I think.

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Re: Getting energy from asymmetry of the magnetic field experiment
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Re: Getting energy from asymmetry of the magnetic field experiment
« Reply #93 on: January 22, 2020, 11:53:47 PM »
I have an idea to connect two of these setups back to back, in such a way,
that while one attracts from the left, another from the right.
If the left one has more power, we should see it pulling more.
What do you think?

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Re: Getting energy from asymmetry of the magnetic field experiment
« Reply #94 on: January 23, 2020, 12:15:33 AM »
I have an idea to connect two of these setups back to back, in such a way,
that while one attracts from the left, another from the right.
If the left one has more power, we should see it pulling more.
What do you think?

Force? See my graph above. The all matter is, force appears to be less at the left side, and more at the right side. Yet at the left side this force goes to much longer distance than at the right side, and as the result the energy at the left side is greater than at the right side. The energy is the area under the curve, it is force multiplied by distance, or sum of these for several small distances.

There, a single thing that really may show the most, is how far the force goes at the left side, and at the right side.


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Re: Getting energy from asymmetry of the magnetic field experiment
« Reply #95 on: January 23, 2020, 12:24:20 AM »
Force? See my graph above. The all matter is, force appears to be less at the left side, and more at the right side. Yet at the left side this force goes to much longer distance than at the right side, and as the result the energy at the left side is greater than at the right side. The energy is the area under the curve, it is force multiplied by distance, or sum of these for several small distances.

There, a single thing that really may show the most, is how far the force goes at the left side, and at the right side.
Exactly,
so initially right side will win, and then the left side, if to follow your drawing,
IMHO.
But I don't insist on this setup.

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Re: Getting energy from asymmetry of the magnetic field experiment
« Reply #96 on: January 23, 2020, 12:42:49 AM »
Exactly,
so initially right side will win, and then the left side, if to follow your drawing,

Yes. It is thought so that, it accelerates at the left side, so much that it goes through the right side, the way that the speed is still increased when it leaves the field. What my other experiment also seems to show, only there it's the opposite, the straight magnet is standing, and the tilted magnets move.


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Re: Getting energy from asymmetry of the magnetic field experiment
« Reply #97 on: January 23, 2020, 11:42:02 PM »
I ordered scales from the Ali Express.
Tried Amazon, but no matter what I did, they wanted me to buy
staff for $35 before shipping, so I had to cancel.
Instead, paid for a faster delivery from Ali.

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Re: Getting energy from asymmetry of the magnetic field experiment
« Reply #98 on: January 24, 2020, 05:19:32 AM »
I ordered scales from the Ali Express.

So it's these scales from ebay as i understand, $6.26  https://www.ebay.com/p/9024597154?iid=323934323417&rt=nc . The precision supposed to be 5 g, that is approximately 0.05 N. If so, it's precise enough for the purpose, what remains to see is how precise it really is in practice.


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« Reply #98 on: January 24, 2020, 05:19:32 AM »
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Re: Getting energy from asymmetry of the magnetic field experiment
« Reply #99 on: January 24, 2020, 07:05:48 AM »
So it's these scales from ebay as i understand, $6.26  https://www.ebay.com/p/9024597154?iid=323934323417&rt=nc . The precision supposed to be 5 g, that is approximately 0.05 N. If so, it's precise enough for the purpose, what remains to see is how precise it really is in practice.
Probably mechanical accumulator of energy, such as flywheel,
will be needed to utilize the difference in energy on two sides.
Or another type of the accumulator, such as spring.

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Re: Getting energy from asymmetry of the magnetic field experiment
« Reply #100 on: January 25, 2020, 07:26:58 PM »
It's a kind of tricky to put the big magnet under an angle there, so that also the angle can be adjusted. Considering using cardboard. On the figure below, the height is adjusted by layers of cardboard. I use mounting tape to attach everything, that makes it somehow adjustable, though not that easy either. In my experiment, i used matchboxes and cardboard from matchboxes, in a rather improvised way. There may be easier ways, like a rectangular magnet may be directly glued to box, another question is how to change its angle then, just remove the glue and glue again? I just showed a kind of way how i did it, i don't say that it's necessarily the best.


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Re: Getting energy from asymmetry of the magnetic field experiment
« Reply #101 on: January 27, 2020, 01:50:16 AM »
Not measurable force that is, you can sure feel the force by hand, but the scales show nothing, don't even visibly move. I have seen it several times, hand is not good enough to determine the strength of the force.

This lid of the box and cardboard beneath the small magnet, were really very thin, couldn't draw them as thin as they were.

To measure all forces, i don't know. Cardboard both beneath and above the small magnet maybe. Then some thin transparent plastic something, on the lid, at some height. A thread comes from the small magnet, and it moves beneath it. So that when the vertical force goes up instead of down, then it moves on that plastic above. Maybe it works somehow like that. Maybe put it there only temporarily, only to measure the forces when the force goes up, maybe even not necessary to measure them more. Sure a bit more to do, and think how. Possible of course to put some surface on it temporarily, and hold it by hand. Just what i can figure.

You may start to make this test device even when the scales have not yet arrived, a bit to tinker, though not that much.


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Re: Getting energy from asymmetry of the magnetic field experiment
« Reply #102 on: January 27, 2020, 07:51:12 PM »
I placed everything on a side, rather than vertical.
Also used an aluminum channel to guide a smaller magnet.
My camera stopped working, will try fixing and sending a shot.

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Re: Getting energy from asymmetry of the magnetic field experiment
« Reply #103 on: January 28, 2020, 04:28:31 PM »
Great.

You can get cameras from ebay or ali express, for $2, something. I have these cameras, so i never have a problem that i have no camera. But then, these cameras are not very good. Also the camera that i used for my video was not very good.


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Re: Getting energy from asymmetry of the magnetic field experiment
« Reply #104 on: February 14, 2020, 02:01:06 AM »
One thing that shows overunity, is acceleration. That is, if there is initially no force to the magnet, and it goes through all the field getting speed, then the field can do continuous work. If friction is low enough. The only way it can be seen, is when the magnet enters the field with a certain speed, and its speed is increased when it exits the field. Because, when initially there is no force, then nothing other than speed can make the magnet to enter the field.

I saw how one released a magnet in the trigate, it accelerated, and this supposed to show that trigate has overunity. That was the most disgusting cheat. If you put a magnet in the field of another magnet so that it repels, and release it, then it accelerates. It showed only that and nothing more. The necessary condition for overunity in that case, is no initial force.

To say that again, i used matchboxes in my experiment, to put a big magnet under an angle vertically. The key is that there has to be three points of support, in such a way that when trying to move the upper corner of the magnet horizontally, there is enough resistance in both directions.

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