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Title: Kromrey generator solved(?)
Post by: pemox1 on October 28, 2019, 02:42:39 PM
Raymond Kromrey has signed up his patent in 1968.

Unfortunately I only can find his US-Patent: U.S.3,374,376

The explanation in this patent is a bit confusing, but the principle is (I think) clear:

A PM (permanent magnet) is attracted by an iron, which is wrapped with a coil and induces an electric voltage in this coil.

The best part:   The electric curcuit is OPEN, so there is no current. Because there's no current there can not arise a magnetic field in the coil !
That's why PM and iron are attracting each other until they're facing each other.

But exactly when they're facing each other, the electric circuit will be closed so that an electric current occurs which creates a magnetic fieldi n the coil and the iron.This magnetic field now repells the PM - and PM and iron are drifting apart.

It's like Luling argues:  the magnetic field will be "neutralised"!
Title: Re: Kromrey generator solved(?)
Post by: pemox1 on January 02, 2020, 04:12:38 PM
The principle:
And my first modified generator
Title: Re: Kromrey generator solved(?)
Post by: sm0ky2 on January 02, 2020, 06:07:23 PM
Anti-Lenz


That seems like an easy build
have to address the switching issues
maybe as simple as a reed switch in the right place?
Title: Re: Kromrey generator solved(?)
Post by: MasterPlaster on January 02, 2020, 06:31:16 PM
I hope this helps:
www.rexresearch.com/infolios/kromrey.pdf
Title: Re: Kromrey generator solved(?)
Post by: skywatcher on January 02, 2020, 08:02:51 PM
As soon as the switch is closed, there will be a breaking effect on the rotor, like in every other generator.
Title: Re: Kromrey generator solved(?)
Post by: pemox1 on January 02, 2020, 08:23:09 PM
It's a bit more tricky.
Generator should start with 24VDC. That's about 12A.


It is not self-starting and it needs probably about 200 Hz or more to produce enough induction-voltage to run with its own power.

One magnet has a holding-force of about 1kg. With 42 magnets, this is a lot of power to drive.
That's why I'm working on an Arduino-prog for starting and thyristors for the self-running-mode.
Title: Re: Kromrey generator solved(?)
Post by: skywatcher on January 02, 2020, 08:49:53 PM
The patent is more than 50 years old. Enough time for lots of successful replications. Where are they ?
Title: Re: Kromrey generator solved(?)
Post by: MasterPlaster on January 02, 2020, 11:05:23 PM
The patent is more than 50 years old. Enough time for lots of successful replications. Where are they ?
Is this similar to motor used in Thailand to propel a motorbike?
There was a thread about it on OU.
Title: Re: Kromrey generator solved(?)
Post by: pemox1 on January 05, 2020, 11:05:10 AM
Here's a layout for selfrunning-mode.
I don't want to pull electrical power directly from the generator - like Kromrey did.
Think, it's better to take a belt and a (wind) generator - driven by the Kromrey-generator.

But I'm not really good with thyristors.     Can anyone find a mistake?

Relais 1 is only active in starting-mode.
Thyristor is a BT152.
Title: Re: Kromrey generator solved(?)
Post by: sm0ky2 on January 05, 2020, 07:13:04 PM
A reed switch placed in the right spot?
Adjusted location for timing
Should do the trick.




That circuit above seems overly complicated and would require power to operate it.

Title: Re: Kromrey generator solved(?)
Post by: bistander on January 06, 2020, 04:17:59 PM
The principle:
And my first modified generator

Hi pemox1,

In panel #3, showing the magnet aligned with the center of the coil, the generated voltage in the coil will be zero.

In panel #4, showing the magnet departing from the coil center and the switch closed, the resulting current will produce an mmf distorting the field resulting in a force resisting the separation of the magnet from the coil center.

Regards,

bi
Title: Re: Kromrey generator solved(?)
Post by: nix85 on January 07, 2020, 05:28:04 AM
 It seems to me he is reducing lenz but is using extremely confused and flawed theory in his patent to explain it.
Title: Re: Kromrey generator solved(?)
Post by: sm0ky2 on January 07, 2020, 07:43:48 AM
2 months ago I would have ignored this completely.
But an electric machine I invented displays similar
properties in the right configuration.
The exact opposite of the electromagnetic drag
we experience with a normal motor/generator.


And by that I mean an electromagnetic force in the
direction of rotation in agreement with the negative portion
of Maxwell’s equations.


Probably a result of my education, I had never considered this to
be a ‘real value’ solution. But it exists, exactly as Maxwell told us.


It is a matter of timing and location of pickups.
In one configuration, the drag is against rotation.
In the other, the negative drag pushes the rotation along.
In between us a theoretical point of “no drag”.
Title: Re: Kromrey generator solved(?)
Post by: pemox1 on January 07, 2020, 11:47:35 AM
I'm very interested in your project. Even in your reed-switch. Can you please show me a type that can switch 12 ampere?
Title: Re: Kromrey generator solved(?)
Post by: sm0ky2 on January 07, 2020, 07:29:53 PM
After giving this some though
I think this approach will work better.
Take a look at this optical sensor array
at the beginning


https://youtu.be/BPSsXKp_hWw (https://youtu.be/BPSsXKp_hWw)
Title: Re: Kromrey generator solved(?)
Post by: nix85 on March 06, 2020, 11:08:44 AM
I see no hall sensors or reed switches yet it accelerates when short circuited, hm.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7jrTj1lk1U
Title: Re: Kromrey generator solved(?)
Post by: pemox1 on April 15, 2020, 08:42:49 PM
Maybe I'm wrong, but if not...
Title: Re: Kromrey generator solved(?)
Post by: citfta on April 15, 2020, 11:00:39 PM
You are confusing magnetic drag with Lorentz force.  The Lorentz force will be there even if there is no core in the coil.  And the Lorentz force will always oppose the movement of the magnet.  Some experimenters have seemed to prove that you can delay the  Lorentz force until the magnet is well past the coil.  But you cannot eliminate it.


Carroll
Title: Re: Kromrey generator solved(?)
Post by: onepower on April 16, 2020, 12:31:39 AM
Citfa
Quote
You are confusing magnetic drag with Lorentz force.  The Lorentz force will be there even if there is no core in the coil.  And the Lorentz force will always oppose the movement of the magnet.  Some experimenters have seemed to prove that you can delay the  Lorentz force until the magnet is well past the coil.  But you cannot eliminate it.

You are correct and whether a core is present or not the induced current is always in such a direction that it repels the magnet on approach and attracts it when it tries to leave. It's kind of strange that so many people would keep using this configuration basically designed to always oppose any motion. They should know by now it cannot work and yet they just keep doing it over and over.

Like the addict who is told there addiction is killing them but they cannot stop because there addiction is not a substance but habitual behavior. A mental problem which will not allow them to see things for what they are in reality and change.

Which begs the question, why keep beating a dead horse using a form of induction we should know by now cannot work when there are other options?. The Lorentz force and this configuration of magnets/coils is designed to be COP<1 hence the laws stating as much. The laws do not say COP>1 is impossible only that this configuration will always be less than COP 1 by design. In fact many great FE inventors called this kind of generator a braking generator because it was an excellent braking device and space heater but a really crappy electrical generator, lol.

Regards


Title: Re: Kromrey generator solved(?)
Post by: Raycathode on April 16, 2020, 07:34:04 AM
Citfa
You are correct and whether a core is present or not the induced current is always in such a direction that it repels the magnet on approach and attracts it when it tries to leave. It's kind of strange that so many people would keep using this configuration basically designed to always oppose any motion. They should know by now it cannot work and yet they just keep doing it over and over.

Like the addict who is told there addiction is killing them but they cannot stop because there addiction is not a substance but habitual behavior. A mental problem which will not allow them to see things for what they are in reality and change.

Which begs the question, why keep beating a dead horse using a form of induction we should know by now cannot work when there are other options?. The Lorentz force and this configuration of magnets/coils is designed to be COP<1 hence the laws stating as much. The laws do not say COP>1 is impossible only that this configuration will always be less than COP 1 by design. In fact many great FE inventors called this kind of generator a braking generator because it was an excellent braking device and space heater but a really crappy electrical generator, lol.

Regards
why you talk such giberish ah because you are ignorant of how things work ! then you sine off with lucifer our lord  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D so what is energy ? what is it realy, you don't realy know do you ? but don't ask me to explain, but that what you did isn't it for sure.
Title: Re: Kromrey generator solved(?)
Post by: ramset on April 16, 2020, 11:51:53 AM
AG   maybe put down the sword ....I know its been a long battle ...however many are curious that a bit more focus could be added..?
or reiterated ..respectfully Chet K
Title: Re: Kromrey generator solved(?)
Post by: pemox1 on May 11, 2020, 02:44:50 PM
it's not anti-Lenz

This is pure Lenz!
Title: Re: Kromrey generator solved(?)
Post by: pemox1 on May 11, 2020, 02:46:48 PM
Here the same as pdf