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Offline Dingus Mungus

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Re: Mervace Working Magnetic motor using induction feedback
« Reply #165 on: November 26, 2006, 03:20:27 AM »
I still don't believe the red overhead cylinder is a "brake magnet". Think about it, the horseshoe magnet pulls it over the pendulum assisting arm and then the ball is closer to the horseshoe then the cylinder yet it is attacted to the cylinder still, Then once reaching the cylinder that just pulled it away from a larger magnet some how the ball magicly avoids any sticky zone. That can only be accomplished by a semi variable field like what is achived with self charging dry pile or high voltage cell. If you can explain how the ball is not stopped or picked up by the "brake magnet", I would love to hear your theory.

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Re: Mervace Working Magnetic motor using induction feedback
« Reply #166 on: November 26, 2006, 03:41:44 AM »
@Dingus Mingus,

The sticky spot is overcome by removing the attracting horse-shoe magnet just at the right moment by a clever construction with pendulums. That is how the sticky spot is overcome in SMOT but instead of the ball dropping from the ramp here the magnet is moved away from the ball. Unfortunately, it causes the ball to accelerate which gets it off the track. This  acceleration is prevented by placing the small magnets above the track at the right places after the horse-shoe magnets.

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Re: Mervace Working Magnetic motor using induction feedback
« Reply #167 on: November 26, 2006, 04:16:09 AM »
So then your hypothysis is that the arms that move the stator magnets on the ring accelerate the ball. The ammount of energy that is attracting the ball is used moving the magnet out of alignment. think of it like pulling a magnet off of a fridge, the magnet is attracted to the metal and it takes energy to pull it away. Trust me many inventors have tried moving a magnet with an arm to create energy. I have though about this device for a long time and have found no evidence that its the horse shoe magnets accomplishing the observed effects.

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Re: Mervace Working Magnetic motor using induction feedback
« Reply #167 on: November 26, 2006, 04:16:09 AM »
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Re: Mervace Working Magnetic motor using induction feedback
« Reply #168 on: November 26, 2006, 04:25:20 AM »
No, the attraction by the horse-shoe magnets accelerates the ball. There is, however, also another factor ? the gravitational field. Two fields are at play here ? magnetic and gravitational ? just as in SMOT. In Finsrud?s device the gravitational field is cleverly involved through the three outside pendulums. As I said, it is like three inverted SMOTs, at that in a closed loop.

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Re: Mervace Working Magnetic motor using induction feedback
« Reply #169 on: November 26, 2006, 06:24:21 AM »
Hello omnibus,
  Looking at your google video has  shown we are looking at a very clever and indeed mostly,  mechanical movement,  certainly as near to perfection as anyone has got yet.. There is so much movement here and plenty of synchronizing as the ball turns  that the device will always run in harmony .  It is not clear if the rails or even one rail are gently oscillating so that the ball is always falling  ( panning for gold 200yrs ago has produced little balls which move in a circle by this method)  If that is giving the ball motion   and surely the horse shoe magnets in sync could make that happen Mr Finsrud did say the magnets act like springs. Not a scientific answer . However the gentleman was just talking to your average member of the public at the time.. .  The over head magnets are the speed governers  in the system.  And there are beautiful feedback loops in the entire design The click sounds too loud for a slight imperfection on the track. A perfect machine but its creator has not got the time to fix it with a little piece of sandpaper?? (clockwork release of stored energy in that central spring)  if that?s too simple what about a RAIL GUN effect. Or surly there are electro magnet forces which could add energy to the swinging pendulums. A few well placed solenoids near the Base of the device could achieve this. There are so many other magnetic fields produced by the amount of movement in the mech that the addition of a few man made shots in the arm might not be detected.  Surley any graphs produced by scientific tests on the fields surrounding the device  would produce such  perfect rhythmic harmony ,they would be a thing of beauty in them selves and should be available to view. When things look too good to be true they usually are . Mr Finsrud?s device is alluring to look upon. I might not even want to know its secrets now. It is still art imitating science or perhaps having a giggle at it .The real answer to where the driving force of this sculpture could be so obvious we just can?t see it. Please reply Omnibus  with my question about the rail been in motion. Thanks
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Re: Mervace Working Magnetic motor using induction feedback
« Reply #170 on: November 30, 2006, 06:32:06 PM »
The autor removed in YouTube the Movie of "unusual motor design". Is possible to find a copy ?
And the movie autor is in this forum ?

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Re: Mervace Working Magnetic motor using induction feedback
« Reply #171 on: December 01, 2006, 01:24:03 PM »
Hello Adriano. I removed the video as it was generating too much unwanted spam in my inbox. I still have a copy Perhaps  icould arrange a copy for you. Have you read this entire thread yet? This exercise has been well worth while. My creativte ideas have been rekindled. So thats been worth while, for me at least

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Re: Mervace Working Magnetic motor using induction feedback
« Reply #172 on: December 10, 2006, 02:53:37 AM »
Hello Merv,

Thanks for responding with your reasoning for removing the videos from YouTube. I understand the spam issue completely having my own website for 10+years.

Anyway, I'm responding to ask if you would be willing to provide me a copy of the 'unusual motor design' video clip so I can look at it more closely. I only saw it once before it was taken down.

You can email it to me if you want: andydidge@pacbell.net

Thanks. I would really like to watch it again...maybe even build one  :)
  -Andy


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Re: Mervace Working Magnetic motor using induction feedback
« Reply #173 on: December 10, 2006, 06:19:06 PM »
I just went through a few posts here and something caught my eye. Merv had mentioned that the steorn device had a stepper motor moving the rotor in 1/2 turn increments. This would make perfect sense in a 2 pole machine- A rotor comes into register inducing current in a coil-But when the coil tries to leave register the induced forward current holds it back-this is the work component. So why not stop the rotor completely in register until all forward current has stopped-brilliant! There can be no induction backdrag if there is no current flow, the stepper motor then pushes the rotor out of register- and according to conventional wisdom the stepper motor input to remove the magnet must closely equal the stator coil output so this portion of the cycle is a wash, the approach to register is clearly a gain.
So once again everyone has missed what should be obvious, you change the operating parameters-STOP the rotor at register. My journey began with a simple question- Exactly where is the work required in conventional motors and generators? a simple question few people can correctly answer, I know this because it took me months to get it, and Im no slouch in EM theory.

This is why this forum is priceless, we comment-add our perspective and we all gain. Merv made a comment which led me to a conclusion I had never considered, which now after the fact seems so obvious.
« Last Edit: December 10, 2006, 06:48:35 PM by allcanadian »

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Re: Mervace Working Magnetic motor using induction feedback
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Re: Mervace Working Magnetic motor using induction feedback
« Reply #174 on: December 11, 2006, 01:05:26 AM »
So once again everyone has missed what should be obvious, you change the operating parameters-STOP the rotor at register. My journey began with a simple question- Exactly where is the work required in conventional motors and generators? 

Ok, you stop the rotor at register. Then the speed of the rotor cannot be really fast because of the move-stop-move-stop sequence and from this it comes the induced voltage in the coils (hence output power) cannot be really high. How can you make it big this is now I ponder on? By using very strong magnets and many turns of wire?
One more thing I do not get:
- and according to conventional wisdom the stepper motor input to remove the magnet must closely equal the stator coil output so this portion of the cycle is a wash, the approach to register is clearly a gain. 

If this is so, where is OU?  Sorry to not get it yet. You indicate a fifty-fifty share...

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Re: Mervace Working Magnetic motor using induction feedback
« Reply #175 on: December 11, 2006, 12:51:59 PM »
Hello Allcanadian,
Have you had time to replicate the Adams Mervace Motor Yet? re your thoughts on the Stroen guys. Im glad to have generated a new angle of thought for you but I really was just poking fun at them. I don't think they have an OU machine they are just in Business.Monkey Business I think... I really thought their video showed the inside of a photo copy machine :) and nothing else. If they had something, the scientific community would be on their side. Its 2006 and we all know the oils running out soon

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Re: Mervace Working Magnetic motor using induction feedback
« Reply #176 on: December 11, 2006, 04:39:53 PM »
Hello Merv
Im not sure what to think about steorn, what I do know is I built a 3 magnet LEMA- 3 neo's on a washer with a rotating "C" type shield which I posted the diagram for, and it does work with minimal input as long as the shield stays in the magnetic field. Other than this I am speculating at what they are doing and what may work.
I think I was wrong in my last post, I believe the LEMA is there core technology and it basically cercumvents Lenz law and backdrag. Here is my thought- if unity is 100% efficiency in a conventional generator and the Lenz force or backdrag accounts for let's say 30% on the input, then what happens when the backdrag is removed?
So I am led to believe that they are useing a rotary LEMA like the one I posted and they drive the shield with a stepper motor. The question is why the start/stop motion? the answer I believe is because when a magnet is exposed by the shield and current is induced in the coil in front of it, this creates backdrag on the shield as it must. So they hold the shield until all current flow has stopped, as measured by there electronics, only then do they move the shield forward. I think they got this idea from AL Francoeur's interferrence generator which is based on the Ecklin generator, neither work as stated because the induced forward current in the coils always pulls back on the shield, so the backdrag has to go.
I am guessing here as always based on what has been observed and what steorn has stated.
I remember watching the steorn video and the stepper motor stopping/starting and nothing clicked until you mentioned it. I guess the best place to hide something is in plain sight.
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Re: Mervace Working Magnetic motor using induction feedback
« Reply #177 on: December 11, 2006, 05:07:39 PM »
I forgot to mention, check out Harti's link to the Lutec website and read the "how it works" section. This is new to me and a very interesting read, so the Lutec is a modified adams motor. Also in the middle of the first page they state"the electron flow in the DC circuit is negative to positive", so they use electron flow models as I always have, many people don't understand this. Electron flow is all that matters it dictates everything else in the circuit, so I think they know there stuff very well. I think everything we need to know relates to the Lutec and steorn technologies, Im still trying to put all the pieces together though, maybe incorperate the best of both worlds.

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Re: Mervace Working Magnetic motor using induction feedback
« Reply #178 on: December 19, 2006, 06:13:24 AM »
I have a copy of the first video. Has anyone a copy of the second video?

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