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Title: This forum is turning into trash
Post by: ARMCORTEX on September 25, 2019, 10:33:34 PM
If you have nothing to build, nothing clearly defined on your bench or in your mind that you can show, why are you here?

I am saying this because I am tired of the sub standard content that I have seen for the past year or so...
Title: Re: This forum is turning into trash
Post by: sollaris1989 on October 23, 2019, 02:40:09 AM
Hello mate.
it is true what you are saying.
However at this moment..there is 0 OU devices posted on google.
google filters everything.It has been bought by the powers that be.
Myself I am here to learn..not OU...because that will never be posted here..OU is out there for 200 years..but it is private.
20% of the people on this planet are running their cars with 80% reduced fuel consumption because of Hydrogen.
5% of them are running their cars on protons....but nobody is telling shit.
Etc etc etc
I mean...It is all private sector.
This forum is just for fun..and nothing else.
Be safe and much love to you all.
Title: Re: This forum is turning into trash
Post by: antimony on October 23, 2019, 11:28:28 AM
Hello mate.
it is true what you are saying.
However at this moment..there is 0 OU devices posted on google.
google filters everything.It has been bought by the powers that be.
Myself I am here to learn..not OU...because that will never be posted here..OU is out there for 200 years..but it is private.
20% of the people on this planet are running their cars with 80% reduced fuel consumption because of Hydrogen.
5% of them are running their cars on protons....but nobody is telling shit.
Etc etc etc
I mean...It is all private sector.
This forum is just for fun..and nothing else.
Be safe and much love to you all.

What do you mean about the cars runming on protons? I have never heard about this before.
Can you elaborate or give a link?
Title: Re: This forum is turning into trash
Post by: MasterPlaster on October 23, 2019, 12:54:37 PM
You are mistaken if you think one day a working OU device will be posted anywhere on the internet.
All of internet is controlled. If someone has a device and wants to share it he must be very creative in theway he will get it to others.
Those who want money and fame will not get far spreading their invention.
Title: Re: This forum is turning into trash
Post by: lancaIV on October 23, 2019, 01:15:33 PM
Armcortex, a short declaration :
if this forum would be an " experimenter forum" and only with 100% educated professional in tecnics,engineering or physics I would have to accept your statement. !


Other view : legal issues !
are you as experimenter allowed to work in the HV and/ or HF- spectrum. ?
What happens by accident,injury,damage : whose responsibility. ?

100% by the un-/professional experimenter. !

Risc assurance. ? Without official licence : 0%. !The note " by your own risc" is not enough.for responsibility- freedom. !

If you want to use legal a by your own developped device in your private household you will need "legality

approvement" by official institutions like UAL,TUEV,DEKRA and other : costs +- 20000 Euros


Independant from the device worth : 5€ or 50 Euros or 500 Euros or 5000 Euros each . !

For production you need somebody with " industrial master or university engineer grade" in most E.U.-states and I

do not think that in other OECD - member estates the work rules are so different. !


Even you have a commercial certified and approved device,here some examples where the permission is lost :

https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dguv-v3-pruef-und-elektrotechnik.de%2Fdguv-v3-prueftechnik%2Fwussten-sie-zum-beispiel%2F (https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dguv-v3-pruef-und-elektrotechnik.de%2Fdguv-v3-prueftechnik%2Fwussten-sie-zum-beispiel%2F)


For example the SM( licence-profession : radio-technician )  TPU : actually industrial worth. : 0$/€

( even a technician has not a production allowance. !)
The device overheating and melting risc would get the " legality approvement" denied. !

So only a nice 10 $ material worth speculative " fun object", nothing more. !
Worthless for DIY-experiments.

No assurance warranty  !


HV and HF means power density compression : even high "sophisticated" industries like Sony and TATA or TESLA
 Motors have problems with power density controle : inflammation and fire damages !
But their products are approved and certificated  !

Assurance did pay by warranty rule and will pay. !


Armcortex, here you find many topics your personal interests related :
https://overunity.com/community/ (https://overunity.com/community/)  also to use as log-book/archive

probably you will find there -alive- members which are actually working on their work bench and will tell you about their trial success and/or error. !
What you defind as " trash" is probably for others interests/ hope/warning or help  offer. !

DIY-R&D- management  :   https://the9000store.com/what-are-iso-9000-standards/what-is-iso-9001/
" ...... it does NOT matter what size your organisation is : 1 person or 1 million people "

Title: Re: This forum is turning into trash
Post by: rakarskiy on October 23, 2019, 01:44:33 PM
If you have nothing to build, nothing clearly defined on your bench or in your mind that you can show, why are you here?

I am saying this because I am tired of the sub standard content that I have seen for the past year or so...

There is a proverb: "do not look for a speck in someone else's eye, not noticing the log in his."Ask yourself the question: You are absolutely clean and sterile, to compare the society of the forum, with the swamp!
Title: Re: This forum is turning into trash
Post by: ramset on October 23, 2019, 05:50:32 PM
LancaIV you need to get out a bit more ?
maybe start to Mentor ?[maybe this would be a good place [this forum]

https://www.foxnews.com/science/teen-builds-working-nuclear-fusion-reactor-in-memphis-home (https://www.foxnews.com/science/teen-builds-working-nuclear-fusion-reactor-in-memphis-home)
Never since the history of man has there been more knowledge available to the "everyman"than today.  Ability to suppress ??.........A pipe dream of those who wish to.
We can have words around the globe as fast as we can type them....into the eyes of BILLIONS.
Silly to think OU could be suppressed when those truly wishing to share open source have such a resource .

ridiculous
even sillier to think those with all the worlds knowledge at their finger tips can't work to
fix this ..hardware and technology to manage experiments is cheaper and better than ever before [super fast too]
never mind the university ..."you tube" university [in the right hands] is all you need [maybe a good Mentor would help]

nothing will stop this awakening .BTW I think OP [thread starter] is on a time out...not certain he is an open source kinda guy anyway.
Title: Re: This forum is turning into trash
Post by: skywatcher on October 23, 2019, 10:30:10 PM
If you want to use legal a by your own developped device in your private household you will need "legality

approvement" by official institutions like UAL,TUEV,DEKRA and other : costs +- 20000 Euros

Maybe if you want to inject power into the power grid. For this you need approval of the power provider.

But you can build your own radio, your own vacuum cleaner, washing machine, chain saw... as long as you don't give it to others nobody can forbid this. Of course you can also build a power generator to power your devices. Why not ?  And there are thousands of posts in this forum claiming that certain people are already using such devices, although i don't beleive this without any proof.

Back to the topic of this thread: i also see that this forum (and also others with the same topic) are going downhill since a couple of years. There is a simple reason for this: almost everything which is posted are repetitions of old ideas which have not worked years ago, don't work now, and will not work in the future. All the same old and boring Bedini stuff repeated for the 100th time, crystal cells (which don't get better when you call then 'ZPE battery'), magnet motors etc. etc.  I did not see anything new here since at least 5 years.


There are not even interesting scams any more...   ::)
Title: Re: This forum is turning into trash
Post by: lancaIV on October 23, 2019, 11:42:46 PM
Yes, when we have the material and the skills we can construct radios, vacuum cleaner, washing machines,.........

On- and offgrid conditioning, f. e. off-grid( RV.,trailer,camper) solar-battery-set as energy source :
                                                   
                                                      2 nd last sentence :

https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dguv-v3-pruef-und-elektrotechnik.de%2Fdguv-v3-prueftechnik%2Fwussten-sie-zum-beispiel%2F (https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dguv-v3-pruef-und-elektrotechnik.de%2Fdguv-v3-prueftechnik%2Fwussten-sie-zum-beispiel%2F)
         

Title: Re: This forum is turning into trash
Post by: skywatcher on October 24, 2019, 12:08:31 AM
https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dguv-v3-pruef-und-elektrotechnik.de%2Fdguv-v3-prueftechnik%2Fwussten-sie-zum-beispiel%2F (https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dguv-v3-pruef-und-elektrotechnik.de%2Fdguv-v3-prueftechnik%2Fwussten-sie-zum-beispiel%2F)
       
This applies for business use. If you have a business you are responsible that all electrical stuff is safe for your employees and customers.
Nobody cares what you are doing in your private household, especially if no other people are living there.
If you are doing something dangerous and others are injured, you are of course responsible.

Title: Re: This forum is turning into trash
Post by: lancaIV on October 24, 2019, 12:28:48 AM
Skywalker, " personal/third person liability insurance" and the conditions. !                                                                         
                    24/365 private( alone, family, group,.....)  AND business
Title: Re: This forum is turning into trash
Post by: skywatcher on October 24, 2019, 12:37:53 AM
Skywalker, " personal/third person liability insurance" and the conditions. !                                                                         
                    24/365 private( alone, family, group,.....)  AND business
This is off-topic.

There are tons of information on the net how to build all sort of things, including dangerous or even illegal stuff.
So why should there be no information about building free-energy devices ?  They would be not more dangerous to use than anything else.
Title: Re: This forum is turning into trash
Post by: lancaIV on October 24, 2019, 01:03:51 AM
This is not off-topic :
each one who is propagating DIY-concepts has to warn the possible concept-user that  the propagated object riscs the loose of assurance warranty in their private household or business !
Vehicle conversion :
https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bussgeldkatalog.org%2Fbetriebserlaubnis-beantragen%2F
"IF YOU SCREW AROUND A VEHICLE YOU MAY LOSE THE OPERATION LICENCE "

Title: Re: This forum is turning into trash
Post by: lancaIV on October 24, 2019, 01:53:56 AM
#6 : Chet, +- 1995 one newspaper here has had as magazine A-Z international car manufacturer and their old models up to futuristic projections :
letter "S" : SUZUKI and SIEMENS(  for me not known as car producer :P ) and their vision : atomic reactor drive  !

https://www.foxnews.com/science/teen-builds-working-nuclear-fusion-reactor-in-memphis-home   
                                            From 2008


X-Ray : specific radiology licence. ? Nuclear fusion reactor : output as enriched material. ?
 IAEO- related. ? eSpecial permission ?

Special "costly" licence ? Qualification for reactor use ? How often certification ? Costs per KWh. ?

Title: Re: This forum is turning into trash
Post by: ramset on October 24, 2019, 03:32:39 AM
LancaIV You have been around a long time here , you put the cart in front of the horse .... get the technology first , if it is new science ...good !!! that is the real goal !!....not merchandising and liabilities ...I posted a picture of Richard Hull's student building a Fusor... as an example of what a determined young mind can accomplish today [as well no permits etc etc to stifle the experimenter] ...even the teenager building stars in his bedroom in 2018 .
yes these things can be dangerous ...so ?
thats what Mentor's are for ...to teach and help keep the experimenter safe !and BTW  Atomic drive ....we want one !!
maybe the TPU project gets us on that path...to harvest from the world around us !!
I have absolutely no doubt this is possible !
should be self evident IMO


Title: Re: This forum is turning into trash
Post by: wistiti on October 24, 2019, 05:49:59 AM
Skywatcher,  you should have persisted with POC (bucking coil)...
Title: Re: This forum is turning into trash
Post by: rakarskiy on October 24, 2019, 07:41:32 AM
[цитата автора=ссылка на skywatcher=тема=18340.msg539884#msg539884 дата=1571862610]
может быть, если вы хотите, чтобы ввести энергию в электросеть. Для этого Вам необходимо одобрение поставщика электроэнергии.

Но вы можете построить свое собственное радио, свой собственный пылесос, стиральную машину, цепную пилу... до тех пор, пока вы не отдадите его другим, никто не сможет запретить это. Конечно, вы также можете построить генератор энергии для питания ваших устройств. - А почему бы и нет ? И есть тысячи сообщений на этом форуме, утверждающих, что некоторые люди уже используют такие устройства, хотя я не верю в это без каких-либо доказательств.

Возвращаясь к теме этой темы: я также вижу, что этот форум (а также другие с той же темой) идет под уклон с нескольких лет. Для этого есть простая причина: почти все, что публикуется-это повторения старых идей, которые не работали много лет назад, не работают сейчас и не будут работать в будущем. Все те же старые и скучные вещи Бедини повторяются в 100-й раз, кристаллические ячейки (которые не становятся лучше, когда вы называете их "zpe battery"), магнитные двигатели и т. д. так далее. Я не видел здесь ничего нового, по крайней мере, с 5 лет.


Там уже нет даже интересных аферистов. ::)
[/цитата]

Grain is, but not exactly. Yes, indeed - the forum is not a school for beginners, anyone have to use their knowledge, or to learn.  New, waiting for? And in the old well understood? In the Russian-language segment (OU), the bulk of ideas and discussions migrated to such resources as Telegram, Skype. More and more dissipated.This same forum, as for example Russian (https://x-faq.ru), or American (http://www.energeticforum.com/) are a great repository of ideas and knowledge, and in any library there are valuable documents and comics.
Title: Re: This forum is turning into trash
Post by: lancaIV on October 24, 2019, 01:40:44 PM
energy stream : ( Thermal Airfoil) Turbine
    "Turbine" alternatives : motor-generator couple,static dynamic transformer,MHD/EMD

https://patents.google.com/patent/US20110097209A1/en (https://patents.google.com/patent/US20110097209A1/en)
Images : Figure 12
                                              the internal process ratio
From under-unity : input > output    to overunity : input < output     to overunity max.     to overunity max decrease


Let us assume : conventional motor( input) and output( generator) coil windings





"wistiti : POC( Partnered Output Coils and PIC ,I= Input = 2 or more primary + 2 or more secondary coils)" :
                               
                                             for "Turbine (motor-generator/static dynamic transformer)"

motor( input) savings by double coils windings ( non/capacitive)

https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/originalDocument?FT=D&date=20080812&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP&CC=US&NR=7411363B2&KC=B2&ND=4# (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/originalDocument?FT=D&date=20080812&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP&CC=US&NR=7411363B2&KC=B2&ND=4#)

https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=10&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20110609&CC=DE&NR=112009002191A5&KC=A5# (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=10&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20110609&CC=DE&NR=112009002191A5&KC=A5#)

Turbine Figure 12 input-output  ratio change  ?




generator double coil winding (POC):

https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=de&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.arestov.de%2Findex.php%2Fde%2Felektromotoren%2Fwindenergie (https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=de&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.arestov.de%2Findex.php%2Fde%2Felektromotoren%2Fwindenergie)

Below the diagram "Advantages of electric generators with combined (wind) power windings :
                                                                        BEFORE/AFTER
                                      " Example : A wind turbine with nominal 400 Watt....... "


                                          Turbine process operation improvement
               


Turbine Figure 12 input-output ratio only with generator double windings  ?

Turbine Figure 12 input -output ratio with motor and generator double (POC) coils rewinding. ?


Compared with heatpump ( + heat2electricity converter)  input-output ratio. !



Thermodynamic process comparison. ! Carnot process ,also guilty for electrodynamic circuits. !
Tesla Turbine !




These are free available documentation about conventional technology changes and new concepts implementation   !




         
             Step-by-step : from little success to 100% solution on demand. !





Manko/malus " Thermal Airfoil Turbine" : the consumer does not order the turbine output. !                                                                       :  input-output unfixed - load related !

No electric consumer demand related inrush voltage and/or inrush current phase/-s controle. !
1 load up to conventional dozens of stand by/active electric appliances in private households or business or electric cars today. !

                         
                                  A TECHNICAL MUST : on-/offgrid network management. !

input inrush current/voltage + output inrush current/voltage output controle and energy management. !

 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inrush_current  Watt nominal / Watt peakmax. / Wattpeakaverage






There is a future fixed  program by the E. U. -administration for the E.U.- member estates  :


Nearly zero energy building : room air conditioning + warmwater
Net zero energy  building.    :     "".     "".                            "".         "".        by in situ renewable energy plant/ energy parc
Zero energy building.            :  room air conditioning + warmwater + electric appliances  "".    "".      "".     ""


= 100% energy providing decentralisation = mostly off-grid society



ARMCORTEX, September25,2019 :
I do not need an "own mind",to work out the clear defined E. U. -program for the next decades is work enough for 475 millions E. U. - citizens. !

Down with energetic over-consume ( makes part from the E. U. -program,; max.   allowance of electric appliances consume)

Given example : from 18000 + Watt electric to +- 3000 Watt electric demand per day diminuation                             
                                                      INTELLIGENT HOUSEHOLD
https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.oeko-energie.de%2Fenergieberatung%2F (https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.oeko-energie.de%2Fenergieberatung%2F)

                          Now, using your personal artificial intelligence : 
Designing your future household daily energy management :
Vertical line up : Wattpeak
Horizontal line :  for the 24 hours day

with/- out electric appliances function timer

The given example : 3000 Wh per day electricity demand delivered by 1500 Watt/1000 Watt or less nominal electricity generator. ?


Calculation caution :  using f. e.  micro-wave owen ( not recommended ! by the oeko-energie.de-listening) 

                                        750 Watt nominal : Wattpeak = SEVERAL THOUSANDS WATT
                                       
                                         but only 1 minute function = 750 Watt/60 minutes = 12,5 Wh consume



Is the www.mtbest.org (http://www.mtbest.org)  800 Wh electric appliances consume per day for the "emerging markets countries" more representative ? +- 7000 mio private household capitas




Household Wattpeak network management
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19950529&CC=ZA&NR=9407569B&KC=B# (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19950529&CC=ZA&NR=9407569B&KC=B#)

On-/Offgrid-power pack with load demand controle :
https://patentauction.com/patent.php?nb=9456 (https://patentauction.com/patent.php?nb=9456)


#16 : " Yes, indeed, this forum is not a school for beginners,........  ;)

----------------------------------------------------------------------
temptation trial : error/success  + each stage - load related- inrush voltage/current  observation

Electricity amplifying /generating cascade concept : nominal values


To load(-s)/ consumer(-s) :


3rd stage : https://patentauction.com/patent.php?nb=11462. (https://patentauction.com/patent.php?nb=11462)                                 AC input and AC output

2 nd stage conventional generator + inverter ( AC output)  or alternator ( AC output)
or
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=14&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20171229&CC=MY&NR=164491A&KC=A# (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=14&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20171229&CC=MY&NR=164491A&KC=A#)


1st stage :
 https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=3&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19951107&CC=US&NR=5463914A&KC=A# (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=3&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19951107&CC=US&NR=5463914A&KC=A#)

Optional : to 1st stage
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=1&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19940318&CC=FR&NR=2695768A3&KC=A3# (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=1&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19940318&CC=FR&NR=2695768A3&KC=A3#)


1 Wh electric energy storage per day for up to 3000 Wh amplyfied AC electricity delivery per day

Low temperature nuclear fission generator/capsule :
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=5&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19280203&CC=FR&NR=633752A&KC=A# (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=5&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19280203&CC=FR&NR=633752A&KC=A#)
12 V x 1,5 Ampere x 30 hours = 540 Watthour compared 365 days x 1 Wh per day demand = 365 Watthour


This forum is not for " sleeper". !







 Project and design about 100 sq living area = over 78 sqm expanded family living area  www.fas.org (http://www.fas.org) housing

program, "morphed/compressed" to 40 sqm living area,

https://www.google.com/search?q=youtube+morphed+apartment&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-m (https://www.google.com/search?q=youtube+morphed+apartment&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-m)
    ~ http://mobilchalet.de (http://mobilchalet.de)  XXL= autonomous living equipment : zero energy building standart
                                                                                                               + zero water building standart


Energy source option;: daily household capita trash/waste/junk/sewage to energy by plasma-incineration ( Dioxine-free)

From "Minimalism" : 1-2 capita per living-box/capsule
https://www.jovoto.com/projects/300house/ideas (https://www.jovoto.com/projects/300house/ideas)

https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.zeit.de%2F2010%2F20%2FTechnik-im-Trend-Wohncontainer (https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.zeit.de%2F2010%2F20%2FTechnik-im-Trend-Wohncontainer)
+
          https://www.archdaily.com/202283/polikatoikea-filipe-magalhaes-and-ana-luisa-soares (https://www.archdaily.com/202283/polikatoikea-filipe-magalhaes-and-ana-luisa-soares)
+          http://microcompacthome.com/ (http://microcompacthome.com/)
+
          https://www.ecocapsule.sk/ (https://www.ecocapsule.sk/)
to
https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spacebox (https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spacebox)

https://www.archdaily.com/110745/ad-classics-nakagin-capsule-tower-kisho-kurokawa (https://www.archdaily.com/110745/ad-classics-nakagin-capsule-tower-kisho-kurokawa)   20 sqm single box
to
http://www.livingbox.it/ (http://www.livingbox.it/)
to
International social family housing competition       http://www.wohnmodelle.at/index.php?id=77,68,0,0,1,0/ (http://www.wohnmodelle.at/index.php?id=77,68,0,0,1,0/)
-----------------------------------------------------
They received 500.000 Euros for the " autonomous living box"- prototype  !
https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.zeit.de%2F2010%2F20%2FTechnik-im-Trend-Wohncontainer (https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.zeit.de%2F2010%2F20%2FTechnik-im-Trend-Wohncontainer)
Can the same living comfort effect not become realized with 5000 Euros or less investment.  ?
 Basic ( transportable )  http://www.geolitesystems.com/hm.html (http://www.geolitesystems.com/hm.html) " HomeMaker"  module. + sleep modul r+
living modul + work modul + .........
https://www.jovoto.com/projects/300house/ideas/12735 (https://www.jovoto.com/projects/300house/ideas/12735) as " bath modul ". ?
https://books.google.pt/books?id=aOIDAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA107&lpg=PA107&dq=glen-l+trailer+kitchen&source=bl&ots=NATJH91yS8&sig=ACfU3U1S9Wzy3HFzV-46v0kVbZsudaPYKg&hl=de&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiIgIbfsbXlAhUK0uAKHegMBIA4ChDoATABegQICBAB#v=onepage&q=glen-l%20trailer%20kitchen&f=false (https://books.google.pt/books?id=aOIDAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA107&lpg=PA107&dq=glen-l+trailer+kitchen&source=bl&ots=NATJH91yS8&sig=ACfU3U1S9Wzy3HFzV-46v0kVbZsudaPYKg&hl=de&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiIgIbfsbXlAhUK0uAKHegMBIA4ChDoATABegQICBAB#v=onepage&q=glen-l%20trailer%20kitchen&f=false)

http://www.geolitesystems.com/ti.html (http://www.geolitesystems.com/ti.html)
https://www.glen-l.com/campers/queensbury.html (https://www.glen-l.com/campers/queensbury.html)   up to 6 adults in a trailer.


The decades old compact living caravan and Yacht space organization and approved living standart ( trailer parcs) is the prototype for future autonomous living. !
Title: Re: This forum is turning into trash
Post by: SkyWatcher123 on October 24, 2019, 10:00:22 PM
Hi all, Hi wistiti, thanks for the suggestion, though I'm skywatcher on the other forum, and since I didn't want to change my name, I had to add 123 to the end of name here.


The other skywatcher user name is not me.

I'm working on a device at the moment, where I can easily try the partnered-bucking coil method again and I may just do that.

Are you still working on it wistiti and if so, how are your results.peace love light :) 
Title: Re: This forum is turning into trash
Post by: onepower on October 25, 2019, 02:45:55 AM
Concerning the forums(s) turning into trash.
I have found we only get back as much as we put into something however many have decided not to share.
Title: Re: This forum is turning into trash
Post by: rakarskiy on October 25, 2019, 06:47:45 AM
Concerning the forums(s) turning into trash.
I have found we only get back as much as we put into something however many have decided not to share.

70-80% of enthusiasts do not visit such sites at all and do not take part in dialogues, information sharing, discussions.
Here is an example of such an enthusiast.

Generator from Valery Valka (Zhytomyr, Ukraine), a successful sample at 500 rpm has an output power of 0.8 kW. In this case, there is no traditional braking of rotation, with the induction of current in the connection "star". There is no such effect as magnetic adhesion at the star.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=mCKMcJFke_U

http://lipo.ece.wisc.edu/2014pubs/2014-10.pdf

Title: Re: This forum is turning into trash
Post by: lancaIV on October 25, 2019, 12:37:42 PM
rakarsky,you are right to show specific differences - lower than common rpm- generator related !

For the other side : when a well engineered AC output ( Helmut Schiller )  1 KW/ 3000 RPM generator weights in average  1 kg( with supermagnets) then with 1500 RPM ~ 2 Kg with 750 RPM ~ 4 Kg ( this the common small windgenerator rpm level) and with 500 RPM ~ 6 Kg material input. !

Enthusiasts as individuals can probably afford such higher material investment, but not the average society member. and less the billions of 1-2 $ up to 10$  per day planet Earth habitants !

To conclude a 365/24 permanent working energy converting device in the 1000$/€ range is relatively easy,
the break-even is to construct a 365/24 permanent or periodically  energy converting device in the 250$/€ and less endconsumer price level !
1990-2015 :

many thought that Neodym/Samarium would be the holy grail about " perpetuum mobile" : No  !Other the Fleischmann-Pons " cold fusion"- flasc : No. !Wind and thick film solar cells ! No !
Hydrogen. ! No !
Title: Re: This forum is turning into trash
Post by: rakarskiy on October 25, 2019, 12:57:34 PM
To conclude a 365/24 permanent working energy converting device in the 1000$/€ range is relatively easy,
the break-even is to construct a 365/24 permanent or periodically  energy converting device in the 250$/€ and less endconsumer price level !

Everything in the world has its price, while in different parts of the world different prices and opportunities. This is the illusion of an ultra-low price for the device. Even if you do it yourself (except when the components are found in a landfill, without payment) it costs money, time and professionalism . Therefore, we can only talk about components, the language is technical, and the pricing policy will always be different for the region and the individual.

The truest thing in the construction of such a device is the traditional knowledge of physics, and engineering savvy. Knowledge in energy and various disciplines to perform the task.
Title: Re: This forum is turning into trash
Post by: lancaIV on October 25, 2019, 01:28:53 PM
rakarsky,

actual conventual electric device components costs

and a. manufacturing.    b. production   c. b2b/ b2c  price decrease potential :
 up to 75% per Kg less

 f.e transformer

iron core :
http://www.rexresearch.com/markov/markov.htm (http://www.rexresearch.com/markov/markov.htm)
https://www.electronicsweekly.com/news/research-news/magnetically-soft-magnetic-alloy-not-expensive-physically-hard-2019-04/ (https://www.electronicsweekly.com/news/research-news/magnetically-soft-magnetic-alloy-not-expensive-physically-hard-2019-04/)

coil winding concept :
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20010710&CC=US&NR=6259347B1&KC=B1# (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20010710&CC=US&NR=6259347B1&KC=B1#)
Primar- y/ies and Seconar-y/ies wiring coil/foil material  :
Instead copper coil /foil: copper world market price / different copper coil diameter and length Kg price. ?
 Sodium coil
graphit coil,graphene foil
Aluminium coil/foil.                     

 low cost aluminium production process price :
7,5KWh/Kg electricity a 2,5 US$cents/KWh compared actual 15KWh x 5US$cents/KWh :

1 Kg new aluminium < 0,75 US$ instead industrial average 1,25US$/Kg
Aluminium coil production price by 0,75 US$/Kg material costs : 10-5 US$ per Kg ( diameter dependent)


Markov iron core :  Hz-max. ?
https://www.greencarcongress.com/2007/10/plastic-bonded-.html (https://www.greencarcongress.com/2007/10/plastic-bonded-.html)
Conventional E+I trafo-core, 26 Kg pack : < 5 US$/Kg b2b

New  industrial ferrit-nitrogen magnets production process :
https://arpa-e.energy.gov/?q=slick-sheet-project/iron-nitride-based-magnets (https://arpa-e.energy.gov/?q=slick-sheet-project/iron-nitride-based-magnets)
https://www.designworldonline.com/coming-revolution-high-strength-magnets/ (https://www.designworldonline.com/coming-revolution-high-strength-magnets/) 
  10 US$/Kg announced 8) first arpa spin-offs :
 https://nironmagnetics.com/#about (https://nironmagnetics.com/#about)
https://fenixmagnetics.com/ (https://fenixmagnetics.com/)


https://overunity.com/17176/electro-magneto-dynamic-carnot-cycle/ (https://overunity.com/17176/electro-magneto-dynamic-carnot-cycle/#4)

#4 : powerguru : planar transformer 23$/5 KW in 10000 units production serie/charge
                              question : 5 KW planar transformer power density as KW/Kg ratio. ?

                                                 23 US$/ ? Material weight ?

I would like to see " motor and generator and transformer" - kits in a box, componenents locally 3d-printed like in the image here :
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=14&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19870624&CC=FI&NR=865263A&KC=A# (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=14&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19870624&CC=FI&NR=865263A&KC=A#)
friction parts easy changeable and these parts refurbish/ recycle-able,also locally !

In Europe(Western") the electrician( with master-degree to be allowed to have a shop/office) in our consume-ware drop away society is a morbid profession.,repair/components offices/shops you will only find in greater cities  !And often the repair service : bad and expensive after the warranty validation . ! Service quality warranty  ?  :P "KULANZ" ???


1 Euro industrial mass production piece as hifi spare part sells for more than 30 Euros in electronic shops. !
 Not far away from the total device selling price. ! Consequence : drop away !
Repair time costs per hour : 25-50 Euros + spare part costs           

      device worth. ?

https://www-spof.gsfc.nasa.gov/Education/wfluor.html
 (https://www-spof.gsfc.nasa.gov/Education/wfluor.html)
Title: Re: This forum is turning into trash
Post by: rakarskiy on October 25, 2019, 04:53:56 PM
rakarsky,
actual conventual electric device components costs
and a. manufacturing.    b. production   c. b2b/ b2c  price decrease potential :
 up to 75% per Kg less

Absolutely agree! I did not specify the production and service! Therefore, the motto is relevant to this day: "in our time, to get your hands on a generator of free energy, you need to do it yourself."

The most interesting thing is that it is necessary not to break the Law. Or do it secretly, without arousing suspicion.
You can also make that the law will be no complaints. Only energy suppliers at a loss.
If you have your own amount of energy, then this amount they will not sell you.
For the puppeteers of the consumer market, household energy independence is evil.

Title: Re: This forum is turning into trash
Post by: onepower on October 25, 2019, 05:15:44 PM
rakarskiy
Quote
Absolutely agree! I did not specify the production and service! Therefore, the motto is relevant to this day: "in our time, to get your hands on a generator of free energy, you need to do it yourself."

The most interesting thing is that it is necessary not to break the Law. Or do it secretly, without arousing suspicion.
You can also make that the law will be no complaints. Only energy suppliers at a loss.
If you have your own amount of energy, then this amount they will not sell you.
For the puppeteers of the consumer market, household energy independence is evil.

My next house is going to be off grid with no electrical, water or gas utilities on my acreage. As such there are no meters to read and no reason for anyone to enter my private property which would be trespassing. So once I'm up and running I will simply add FE to my basic solar setup already in place and I'm off grid with FE. It's not that difficult in my opinion once a person has a plan in place.

The cool part is I can build my house anywhere I choose no matter how remote because it's off grid. It could be on a mountain, or a lake or wherever I choose with few restrictions. My goal is freedom and independence not so much FE which is simply a means to an end.

Regards
Title: Re: This forum is turning into trash
Post by: rakarskiy on October 25, 2019, 05:26:05 PM
rakarskiy
My next house is going to be off grid with no electrical, water or gas utilities on my acreage. As such there are no meters to read and no reason for anyone to enter my private property which would be trespassing. So once I'm up and running I will simply add FE to my basic solar setup already in place and I'm off grid with FE. It's not that difficult in my opinion once a person has a plan in place.

The cool part is I can build my house anywhere I choose no matter how remote because it's off grid. It could be on a mountain, or a lake or wherever I choose with few restrictions. My goal is freedom and independence not so much FE which is simply a means to an end.

Regards

Very happy for you! There are many ways to achieve energy independence. It is much easier for a household on its land, in its home, from the point of view of the law. Question how many people in Europe live in their homes and on their land? They, too, want to name their, let a small, but energy independence.
Title: Re: This forum is turning into trash
Post by: lancaIV on October 26, 2019, 02:19:14 AM
To #17 : www.oeko-energie.de intelligent household 3000 Watth per day electric appliances average consume
               and mtbest.net       800 Watth daily electricity consume

https://nantenergy.com/zinc-air/   

   Small user 450Wh/day.                      Medium user 1000 Wh/day.                                        Heavy user 3000 Wh/day
Title: Re: This forum is turning into trash
Post by: lancaIV on October 26, 2019, 02:24:55 AM
1400 KWh/sqm solar radiation per annum and a 60% thermionic cell efficiency : 840 KWh per annum electricity       
                     1 sqm thermionic cell conversion gain per day a.  spring-summer b.  autum-winter

a.  1/2 year 2/3 from 840 KWh = 560 KWh / 183 days  ~ 3 KWh per day
b. 1/2 year 1/3 from 840 KWh = 280 KWh x 1,5 ( Mirror) = 420 KWh / 183 ~ 2,3 KWh per day



So 1,5 sqm = 2,3 KWh x 1,5 = 3,45 KWh and theoretically for each day the " HEAVY USER" or intelligent household

3000 Wh/day demand satisfied !   

Without mirror : 2 sqm thermionic cells for daily - in theoretical average - minimum 3 KWh radiation to electricity conversion .
Title: Re: This forum is turning into trash
Post by: rakarskiy on October 26, 2019, 11:54:25 AM
This is what the real calculation looks like, for an Autonomous household, based on September 2019 figures.    (Real household indicators: 5 people, electric stove, water heater)

Title: Re: This forum is turning into trash
Post by: lancaIV on October 26, 2019, 02:48:17 PM
#25,27,29 :
onepower wants to become off-grid : for this case there is invented the  " micro-grid"- technology
                 energy generation + energy storage + energy management
Is in this case the calculation only for 1  household habitant +1 wife + child + visit( family/friends) ?

Micro-grid flexibility?  Modular : 1 KW/KWh + ?



3000 Wh per day " intelligent household/ heavy user" and in relation the #29  heat demand/serving list. :
for how much sqm and climate zone. ?
Between an Alaska log-cabin and Kenia savanne glamping log there are different seasonal realities. !

 And yes : in the "intelligent house"- list there is no room heating/coolingen ergetic consume numbers to find

For "morphed 40 sqm ~ 100 sqm conventional" room heating and 2 habitants their warmwater I calculate with500 Wh electric consume PER DAY by inside 20° Celsius and outside 0° Celsius weather conditioning. !

What is the first micro-grid KWh price target : 10 US$cents/KWh,

2019  b2b US electricity average price 5,5 US$cents +

net-grid fee +

conventional building net-grid installation costs( rural sqm field to urban, civilian construction ground) per KWh !

So in my calculation about " intelligent household" consume in these 3 KWh per day are room air conditioning and warm water heat consume included :
3 KWh x 365 days x 0,1 US$cents/KWh = 109,5 US$ per annum divided 365 days and 2 habitants :       
                           0,15 US$cents per day/ capita  / 2 US$ virtual income per day/ capita ~ 7,5 % income part


    To get these 10 US$cents/KWh the micro-grid system costs  :
 investment 900 US$ by 2,5% capital tax ( common saving&loans bank capital tax in the last 50 years) and 10

years amortization : 900 x 0,125 = 112,5 per annum / ( 3 x365) = 10,3 US$cents per KWh

 

Not to forget :

the households with 10$ and less per day/ capita have also to invest/pay for the " power saving" electric appliances and solar heat converter,in some countries solar-thermic panels or alternatively hot water heat pumps a MUST by law for new house constructions !

900 US$ total completed micro-grid 3 KWh/day energy on demand system  ! ;)   


 Buying in group - FOB factory /kit.                 Buying in group - FOB factory-/kit

900 US$ "open source" technology        ~    3000 US$ " patent exclusivity propaganda ' evolution/revolution ' tech "
                                                                                                               ( 0,35 US$/KWh  :P )

                                                                              Buying as individual/ready-to-use
                                                                                                     
                                                                             5000 US$- 10000 US$ : make your own KWh-costs calculation. !  :-X


Easy and lean management  !  :)

                         Buying as individual/ready to use


            10000 US$ / a.  40sqm morphed building  b.  100 sqm conventional building                                         
                                    a.  250 US$/ sqm.                    b.  100 US$/ sqm


                        Buying in group/kit
              900 US$ / a.  40 sqm morphed building   b. 100 sqm conventional building                                 
                                 a.  < 25 US$/sqm.                       b  9 US$/sqm



                          4. Industrial AI-step : house construction
       
       Apis Core        or        ICON 3d-house print + human service price per sqm  ?   WASP. ?

      250 US$/sqm.            125 US$/sqm.                                                                         50 US$/sqm


 
"Open - free - source":

if you are American look for EP or European countries patent/utility model applications :as American you can use the application claims for free

As non-American I read - ALSO- and notice non-WO and non-EP applications and their claims and use these

solutions,  by private inventors or estatal research institutions and Universities labs for free. !

Not usurpation, non plagiation : law + order + law geographic validation + claims time validation controle. !

Technical Patents : up to 20 years ( by fee paying)  Utility model : up to ten years




+- 99% from all micro-grid related technical/electronic parts we will get world-wide under " open-source" law term !
                                                           WITHOUT INDIVIDUAL OWNERSHIP PROTECTION. !
1% : the grid-management software probably available as freeware/shareware  !

                             

      99% of all global industrial/service commercial workplaces without existence protection. !
                     Social system entrophy. : time count down. !
   The first system and consequence observer : Genrich Altschuler,  more than 30 years back                             
                                                                                     https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/TRIZ (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/TRIZ)

  micro-grid !?

                         Electric cars energy management 2019-2009-1999-1989-1979-....
                         Boing/Airbus energy management 2019-2009-1999-1989-...
                         Ocean Yacht energy management 2019-2009-1999-1989-.....
                         Homecamper energy management 2019-2009-1999-1989-.....


Costs zero water building. ?

                                                  Air2water generator or/and Sanakva and /or fog&rain collector                                                                                       
                                                  Greywater tank for irrigation ?   
                                                  Or greywater to whitewater recycling ?

                                                  Labuntog filter system,                                 
 
                                                  aqsolution,                                         

                                                 jugendforscht-award  Eberspaechter
Many DIY service foren-intercommunication in the www : amateurs,semi-/professionals questions and answers. ?!
Title: Re: This forum is turning into trash
Post by: Raycathode on October 26, 2019, 07:14:08 PM
well there are now a few more forums on the WWW the problem here is no one is into hardware or experimentation
it's as if the site has a death wish, it would get more punters if it called itself FACEBOOK it's sad really.

PS he shouldn't have left his computer unattended  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: This forum is turning into trash
Post by: skywatcher on October 26, 2019, 10:26:27 PM
well there are now a few more forums on the WWW the problem here is no one is into hardware or experimentation

I think there are lots of people here who have the possibilities and ressources for building something and experimenting but during the last years i did not see any ideas here where i saw any potential or any chance that it would work. The last idea where i invested some effort was the Steorn Orbo which was almost 10 years ago... maybe one or the other remembers the story.
Title: Re: This forum is turning into trash
Post by: Raycathode on October 26, 2019, 11:17:00 PM
Here is an interesting video called an electron trap by Nelson Rocha it appears to have something to do with Flemings right or left-hand rule where energy is crossing at 90 deg. A magnetic amplifier.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pux_QHARA5Y

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zP46Mn-09k

You mention the Orbo device that the JB device is not too dissimilar to the JB device one of the problems with that and other devices is probably due to the feedback winding not turning off the pulse motors at the correct time and if not corrected you will not get any effect or output power charging a battery or a cap thus resulting in a lose. Why not try adding some control timing or pulse control, i'm sure some 4000 series is available to you.
Title: Re: This forum is turning into trash
Post by: ARMCORTEX on October 27, 2019, 04:39:52 AM
That video from BruceTPU is great. Great Job Bruce, you sure showed who was the TPU teacher, even tho you did not get OU yet, its undertandable to fails at such a gigantic task that countries cannot solve.

I believe that since any effect is measurable, there could be a possibility to advance this research into quantum step with a proper automated oscillator test bench, an adjustablre AI that could log any special combination and stop, warn you. If somebody out there is listening, this is very doable, and the video evidence is some of the most legit out there.

Now I havent yet identified my circuit and algorithmic topology, but I can feel it bubbling. There is some MAJOR breakthrough to be had here. The reason I dont have an idea yet is because the people who claim to know
havent released the bacon yet, its still... and always... a ? when it comes to the coils.

I said it at the very beginning, lets go through this in concrete steps... And there it goes... Thread lost itelf when I was not there managing it.

 And these are the questions I was asking myself abotu the perpendicular radiation effect, wich Bruce made a video of, and directly started answering my questioning, excellent work bruce.

So a kick, and an anti-kick to redirect and cause impact...closer to the coil, most density...farther away less density...hmmm at appropriate frequencies, and.. a third frequency... wich I dont know yet the reason for.

Somehow, in this coil arrangement, a coil arrangement. A frequency arrangement.
Title: Re: This forum is turning into trash
Post by: lancaIV on October 27, 2019, 01:47:38 PM
Raycathode :
https://nantenergy.com/zinc-air/ (https://nantenergy.com/zinc-air/)  as info deliverer other electric storages alu-ion/lead/lithium-air/ sodium-air/.....

small user. 450 Wh per day

middle user 1000 Wh per day

heavy user 3000 Wh per day
Wh electricity consume in daily average 24 hours diagram :  breakfast lunch dinner time ( kitchen Wp )


How many different nominal Watt-loads with permanent or periodically energy demand  ?
https://www.ametherm.com/inrush-current/inverter-inrush-current-protection (https://www.ametherm.com/inrush-current/inverter-inrush-current-protection)
"The inverter overloads in the following scenario ......." + " Solution : inrush current limiter :....."

3 times inrush current ?

Heater/filaments up to14 times !  Or up to 60 times inrush current.  : transformer  !
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inrush_current (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inrush_current)
How to calculate feedback nominal input by different Watt load and different inrush current demand. ?

If Amperage fixed and speed variable ( f. e.  washing machine : normal rotation/centrifuge) : inrush voltage/frequency. ?
Feedback cycle calculation.  ?
       
          Beginning small :


Small user : 450 Watt-hour per day  :
 nominal solution example : 2 cells/capsules x 12V x 1,5 A x 24 h = 864 Wh electricity p.d. ,36 W DC delivery p.h.
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=5&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19280203&CC=FR&NR=633752A&KC=A# (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=5&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19280203&CC=FR&NR=633752A&KC=A#)
Costs in industrial mass production less than 2 US$ each cell/capsule


Heavy user :  3000 Watt-hours per day

industrial work-bench prototype : 1 KW magnetic flux flow amplifier
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=5&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20161013&CC=DE&NR=112014005978A5&KC=A5# (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=5&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20161013&CC=DE&NR=112014005978A5&KC=A5#)

                        3000 Wh /C.O.P. 1O input /output ratio = 300 Wh electricity demand

          12 V x 1,5 A x 24 h = 432 Wh per day.  hydro-electric cell/capsule energy conversion

     
                  500 Euros for the " Heavy user"-solution is for me a little to high  ! 250 Euros "okay !"
                  To bring down the " magnetic flux flow amplifier"- production price. !
                 Nominal 1000 Watt output : 11 Kg material input a 32 Euros/ average Kg production
                 Material input weight decrease and lower material price by same safety standart and function qualty. !
                 Material change by similar specific function  by same safety standart and function quality !
                 Production costs decrease by 100% automatic production  !


                For stationary on-grid  buildings/ household the " magnetic flux flow amplifier" is the solely solution,         
               a closed cycle only a need for mobile offgrid-"micro-grids"  !

                C.O.P. 10 = 90% less on-/offgrid- electricity ( storage) demand  !


Several applications/publication since 2002 theme " amplifying"( C. O. P.  5+) related. :                                                 
                                                         1,3,4,13,14,15,16
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/searchResults?submitted=true&locale=en_EP&DB=EPODOC&ST=advanced&TI=&AB=&PN=&AP=&PR=&PD=&PA=Tanaka+saburo&IN=&CPC=&IC= (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/searchResults?submitted=true&locale=en_EP&DB=EPODOC&ST=advanced&TI=&AB=&PN=&AP=&PR=&PD=&PA=Tanaka+saburo&IN=&CPC=&IC=)
C. O. P.  5 AC/AC : 80% less on-/off-grid electricity demand. !  KYOTO : -80% GHG 1990-2050


Carnot-cycle : inrush current factor / C. O. P.  ::) Steady or pulsed  ;) DC,AC,pulsed DC
Carnot-electric duty cycle circuit : real work time/real work power  calculation and measurement


Title: Re: This forum is turning into trash
Post by: synchro1 on October 27, 2019, 03:13:33 PM
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Title: Re: This forum is turning into trash
Post by: synchro1 on October 27, 2019, 03:21:43 PM
(Schematics above)
                                                                 GAP magnet Ray

A flat "neutralization coil" placed next to the face of the axial tube magnet (The one with the wire coil) would curtail five times it's own magnet force per masking pulse and amplify the BEMF. The North Pole of the pulse coil would draw the four magnet poles into it.

The double advantage of this design is the retraction of the "Magnet ray" caused by the position of the coil's north pole behind the four crossed magnets.

Not only would the coil shunt the axial field, but any portion of the ray projected by the four crossed magnets would be reversed by the attraction to the north pole from behind.

Additionally, the strength of the magnet ray would be amplified by the pole reversal.
Title: Re: This forum is turning into trash
Post by: synchro1 on October 27, 2019, 03:42:29 PM

                                                             BEMF neo magnet amplification

The movement of the combined south poles would be in the same direction upon pole reversal through the coil.

The pole reversed amplified backspike would power the "Magnet Ray" from the D.C. pulse collapse.

This EMP would pack a wallop.
Title: Re: This forum is turning into trash
Post by: synchro1 on October 27, 2019, 03:52:13 PM


The wire coil and capacitor when connected by DMM electrodes reads a voltage when the "Magnet Ray" is interfered with. The inventor goes on to state that this coil can be pulsed and the pulse will oscillate the "Magnet Ray".

That coil can serve either role; Output or input.

A solenoid ferrite core masking coil, placed on the face of this magnet, would generate an amplified backspike due to the neodymium magnets. This increased power would amplify the strength of the "Magnet Ray" for an extra wallop EMP.

A Stiffler toroid bifilar style coil with bucking halve windings would generate output if focused on by the "Magnet Ray". Twin chiral "Magnet Rays" oscillated by crystal base timed transistors at 13.56 Mhz and aimed at the toroid coil from each side with opposite poles facing would generate even more output.

Title: Re: This forum is turning into trash
Post by: Pirate88179 on October 27, 2019, 08:37:14 PM
Hello mate.
it is true what you are saying.
However at this moment..there is 0 OU devices posted on google.
google filters everything.It has been bought by the powers that be.
Myself I am here to learn..not OU...because that will never be posted here..OU is out there for 200 years..but it is private.
20% of the people on this planet are running their cars with 80% reduced fuel consumption because of Hydrogen.
5% of them are running their cars on protons....but nobody is telling shit.
Etc etc etc
I mean...It is all private sector.
This forum is just for fun..and nothing else.
Be safe and much love to you all.


This posting is ridiculous.  many, MANY, very cool and interesting and unexplainable ( By what we claim to know at this time) things have been posted on this site.  Many folks have worked very hard to research tons of interesting subjects.  I daresay, I can tell by your post that you did not even bother to read 1% of the information available to you here.for FREE.  Yet somehow, you felt qualified enough to denounce this site and make an unfounded claim that the "good stuff" is being restricted?  This gave me a good laugh.


Please take the time to read, study and experiment and replicate before making another inane posting like this one.  I guess you never bothered to see my videos lighting 48" floro tubes form my earth battery?  Guess you never saw my vids running a motor from it either?  How about my lighting 400 leds from it?  Hmmm guess not.  Just know that the things I have done pale in comparison to the folks that really know what they are doing.  Check out the Stubblefield topics and the Kapanadze topic areas and then tell all of us that nothing good will ever be posted here


Good luck and good reading,


Bill
Title: Re: This forum is turning into trash
Post by: Raycathode on October 28, 2019, 09:03:23 AM
READ THIS ONE ! 

This is the background of how the present electrical engineering model (and practice) was severely curtailed to exclude COP>1.0 electrical power systems taking their excess EM energy directly from their interaction with the active medium (the active vacuum/spacetime).
 The ruthless suppression of Nikola Tesla also set the stage for the major cartels continuing to suppress subsequent overunity inventors from the 1890s to the present day.


http://www.tuks.nl/Mirror/frankgermano_net/nikolatesla7.htm

Raymondo
Title: Re: This forum is turning into trash
Post by: skywatcher on October 28, 2019, 05:49:32 PM

This posting is ridiculous.  many, MANY, very cool and interesting and unexplainable ( By what we claim to know at this time) things have been posted on this site.  Many folks have worked very hard to research tons of interesting subjects.  I daresay, I can tell by your post that you did not even bother to read 1% of the information available to you here.for FREE.  Yet somehow, you felt qualified enough to denounce this site and make an unfounded claim that the "good stuff" is being restricted?  This gave me a good laugh.


Please take the time to read, study and experiment and replicate before making another inane posting like this one.  I guess you never bothered to see my videos lighting 48" floro tubes form my earth battery?  Guess you never saw my vids running a motor from it either?  How about my lighting 400 leds from it?  Hmmm guess not.  Just know that the things I have done pale in comparison to the folks that really know what they are doing.  Check out the Stubblefield topics and the Kapanadze topic areas and then tell all of us that nothing good will ever be posted here


Good luck and good reading,


Bill

I'm not aware of ANY device posted here which actually works.

With 'works' i mean that it is running without any conventional energy input, and has a usable energy output.
Title: Re: This forum is turning into trash
Post by: lancaIV on October 28, 2019, 06:29:22 PM
I'm not aware of ANY device posted here which actually works.

With 'works' i mean that it is running without any conventional energy input, and has a usable energy output.
You know by magnets data their force peak :

https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/description?CC=US&NR=6194799B1&KC=B1&FT=D&ND=3&date=20010227&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP# (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/description?CC=US&NR=6194799B1&KC=B1&FT=D&ND=3&date=20010227&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP#)
"....... IN FACT, MOST OF THESE MOTORS ONLY UTILIZE BETWEEN 10 AND 25% OF THEIR TRUE POTENTIAL.  ..."

So 400% up to 1000%  of "true potential" from the( DC-) motor can become improved. !

But attention : this does not mean 4x/10x the conventional efficiency. !                         
                          But better efficiency + higher power density !

This kind of research and development by comparison of results brought us to today motor power density level about 13 KW/Kg andpredicted superperformance : 40 KW/Kg for superconductive coils and cryocooling motors near 98% efficiency.

Improvement of generators  ? Up to eight-8x- times the efficiency. ? :o
http://translationportal.epo.org/emtp/translate/?ACTION=description-retrieval&COUNTRY=DE&ENGINE=google&FORMAT=docdb&KIND=A1&LOCALE=en_EP&NUMBER=3804440&OPS=ops.epo.org/3.2&SRCLANG=de&TRGLANG=en
From two periods per pole to eight periods per pole. ! ::)
Title: Re: This forum is turning into trash
Post by: onepower on October 29, 2019, 07:45:52 AM
skywatcher
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I'm not aware of ANY device posted here which actually works.
With 'works' i mean that it is running without any conventional energy input, and has a usable energy output.

I made posts with diagrams about crystal radio's which have no user input and output usable power to light an LED. I also explained how we could reduce the size and have millions of them on a circuit to produce real power. Obviously it has been proven to work for over 100 years thus your claim is false.

Free Energy devices are similar and if the device has an output then obviously the input energy must be coming from somewhere. The biggest mistake is thinking these devices "generate" power which is not true. These devices transform or convert energy already present to a more practical form we can use like electricity.   

The high output FE devices simply transform more energy faster however the working principal is the same. Energy is motion and everything in the universe is in perpetual motion on every scale, Everything is Energy as motion. Thus the only thing left to debate is the process we use to transform or convert this energy into a more usable form.

As such there is no valid debate on whether FE is real or not because we have more than enough proof it is real. Were past that, it's old news and now we should concern ourselves with finding the best transformation/conversion process.

Regards
Title: Re: This forum is turning into trash
Post by: lancaIV on October 29, 2019, 12:52:37 PM
https://peswiki.com/directory:nanotechnology (https://peswiki.com/directory:nanotechnology)
http://www.buch-der-synergie.de/index_englisch.html (http://www.buch-der-synergie.de/index_englisch.html)

Research & Development results from 2000 -2015

We know from experience that lab success included "scientifical peer reviewed article" publication  to endconsumer market entry needs in average 5-10 years development and organization time ( and finance capital). !
Often for lab prototypes there has also to become invented new machine production processes for micro- and mass-production scale devices. !
" Solar-/thermionic cell ": how many thousands/millions of circuits in array/network today per 10 cm x 10 cm ?
= portable " micro-grid"
From the above peswiki :
https://peswiki.com/directory:advanced-diamond-solutions-amorphous-nanostructures
           

Mined diamonds,jewelry grade,sells for                   8000 US$/ carat weight :

synthetic diamonds/ carat weight ,jewelry grade     300 US$ production costs

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-diamonds-debeers-synthetic-analysis/lab-grown-diamond-prices-slide-as-de-beers-fights-back-idUSKCN1OK0MQ

Material production costs decrease and mass-production-machinery price decrease changes the market  !
90' : Roy Kessinger : 1 Mio. motor or generator production facility costs engineering : from 250 Mio. to 25 Mio. $  !
Title: Re: This forum is turning into trash
Post by: rakarskiy on October 29, 2019, 05:53:29 PM
As they say "the next garbage" from the profile site of the Russian-speaking.     https://realstrannik.com/forum/attachment/30614   
Title: Re: This forum is turning into trash
Post by: skywatcher on October 29, 2019, 07:54:16 PM
skywatcher
I made posts with diagrams about crystal radio's which have no user input and output usable power to light an LED. I also explained how we could reduce the size and have millions of them on a circuit to produce real power. Obviously it has been proven to work for over 100 years thus your claim is false.

That's not 'free energy' because it harvests man-made energy and someone has paid for this energy.


Quote
Free Energy devices are similar and if the device has an output then obviously the input energy must be coming from somewhere. The biggest mistake is thinking these devices "generate" power which is not true. These devices transform or convert energy already present to a more practical form we can use like electricity.   

The high output FE devices simply transform more energy faster however the working principal is the same. Energy is motion and everything in the universe is in perpetual motion on every scale, Everything is Energy as motion. Thus the only thing left to debate is the process we use to transform or convert this energy into a more usable form.

As such there is no valid debate on whether FE is real or not because we have more than enough proof it is real. Were past that, it's old news and now we should concern ourselves with finding the best transformation/conversion process.

Regards

You are right: energy can not be created, it can only be converted from one form of energy to another.
It's also possible to convert matter into energy, which is done by nuclear reactions.

My definition of a 'free energy' device:

- It has to work without any input of conventional energy (electricity, heat, light, RF waves, any kind of fuel).
- It has to work at any time, and at any location.
- It must not consume anything, that means it has to run (theoretically) infinitely.
Title: Re: This forum is turning into trash
Post by: DavidWolff on October 29, 2019, 08:39:28 PM
That's not 'free energy' because it harvests man-made energy and someone has paid for this energy.


You are right: energy can not be created, it can only be converted from one form of energy to another.
It's also possible to convert matter into energy, which is done by nuclear reactions.

My definition of a 'free energy' device:

- It has to work without any input of conventional energy (electricity, heat, light, RF waves, any kind of fuel).
- It has to work at any time, and at any location.
- It must not consume anything, which means it has to run (theoretically) infinitely.
It can't be created so you say that you have no idea your self what's going on so you, your self so you quote some on else definition who also doesn't know how it works or who has been got at!

So consider this if the sun suddenly went out how long would it take till the earth froze over?
so what is stopping that scenario from happening now? so where is the energy coming from?

 All this including you is available to be used as energy!
It has to work without any input of conventional energy (electricity, heat, light, RF waves, any kind of fuel).

   
Title: Re: This forum is turning into trash
Post by: onepower on October 30, 2019, 12:36:23 AM
skywatcher
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My definition of a 'free energy' device:
- It has to work without any input of conventional energy (electricity, heat, light, RF waves, any kind of fuel).
- It has to work at any time, and at any location.
- It must not consume anything, that means it has to run (theoretically) infinitely.

My definition of a free energy device is a little different based on the terminology present.
-Free, without cost or payment.
-Energy, the capacity to perform work.

So the only real requirement by definition is that the source of energy is free regardless of where it comes from. Realistically what we want is a clean, sustainable source of energy available to everyone everywhere. So if I could theoretically scavenge EM energy from any number of man made or environmental sources it's still "free energy" and it could still power my house therefore... I win.

Now some have said EM scavenging could be seen as stealing energy however this is not true. By law whomever radiates or disperses waste materials or energy into the environment no longer has any rights concerning said energy or materials. So if I build a power line nearby or an EM transmitter which radiates energy into the environment you have every right to receive and use this energy on your property. This is true because it is considered a waste product or loss to the environment and nobody owns the environment per se.

The argument of stealing is completely absurd and nonsensical because if it were true I could claim rain on your property came from the evaporation of water on my property and that I own your rain water. I could also claim that nobody's plants can absorb CO2 from the atmosphere for farming because I generated some of that CO2 burning fossil fuels. It's just absurd and has no basis in law that could ever be upheld for obvious reasons.

So all environmental energy is inherently free regardless of where it comes from because no one can claim to own the environment... it is free energy.

Title: Re: This forum is turning into trash
Post by: rakarskiy on October 30, 2019, 10:01:53 AM
I will join the definitions of the concept of Free Energy. That's my interpretation.

Free energy is "energy" that you use, not buy from a supplier.  But energy is a conditional concept, since you use the power of a device that produces the actions you need: generates heat, light or motion (rotation).  All of these devices are not perpetual motion machines, nor is the device itself that generates the power source.  These devices are all designed, calculated, they are manufactured and operated on the basis of fundamental and new technologies, have a calculated resource and the cost of operation of materials and components.  The difference is that they don't need fuel to convert or an external energy source (power) - like sunlight (luminous flux power), wind power or falling water power. Yes, it is closed devices that can generate energy to maintain the internal circulation of energy (forces) and the issuance of excess for consumer purposes, I believe the key, giving personal energy independence.   Serge Rakarskiy

Posted long ago on the page of my resource (in Russian) (http://rakarskiy.narod.ru)
Title: Re: This forum is turning into trash
Post by: onepower on October 30, 2019, 11:46:48 PM
skywatcher
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That's not 'free energy' because it harvests man-made energy and someone has paid for this energy.

I'm going to comment further on this point because it sends completely the wrong message and is incorrect.

First, there is no such thing as "man-made" energy because we cannot create or destroy energy only transform it. We have to get past these ego-centric false notions that we have the capacity create energy when we do not. All energy is inherently free and at best mankind is barely intelligent enough to even transform energy with 50% efficiency.

We also have to get past this ridiculous notion that we own energy or that someone somewhere has paid for it. I mean what's next, are you going to say someone owns the Sun or Sunlight or the oceans or the air we breath?. I believe these narcissistic beliefs come from the degeneration of society which worships greed and ownership. A cult if you will in which people barely intelligent enough to understand much of anything that matters have inferred god like properties on themselves. 

If you want to know how great and god like mankind is just look at the state of the world we are in the process of destroying. Intelligent people do not destroy the place they live out of complete ignorance to the facts then claim to be intelligent. That's a special kind of stupid in my opinion.
Title: Re: This forum is turning into trash
Post by: skywatcher on October 30, 2019, 11:52:26 PM
Now some have said EM scavenging could be seen as stealing energy however this is not true. By law whomever radiates or disperses waste materials or energy into the environment no longer has any rights concerning said energy or materials. So if I build a power line nearby or an EM transmitter which radiates energy into the environment you have every right to receive and use this energy on your property. This is true because it is considered a waste product or loss to the environment and nobody owns the environment per se.

This is your interpretation but it's not the law... at least not in all countries. I know cases of people who have been punished for stealing energy because they operated fluorescent lights connected to an antenna in their garden near a powerful RF transmitter. And in fact it's stealing because absorbing RF power near a RF transmitter will reduce its range of transmitting.
Title: Re: This forum is turning into trash
Post by: skywatcher on October 30, 2019, 11:56:20 PM
I will join the definitions of the concept of Free Energy. That's my interpretation.

Free energy is "energy" that you use, not buy from a supplier.  But energy is a conditional concept, since you use the power of a device that produces the actions you need: generates heat, light or motion (rotation).  All of these devices are not perpetual motion machines, nor is the device itself that generates the power source.  These devices are all designed, calculated, they are manufactured and operated on the basis of fundamental and new technologies, have a calculated resource and the cost of operation of materials and components.  The difference is that they don't need fuel to convert or an external energy source (power) - like sunlight (luminous flux power), wind power or falling water power. Yes, it is closed devices that can generate energy to maintain the internal circulation of energy (forces) and the issuance of excess for consumer purposes, I believe the key, giving personal energy independence.   Serge Rakarskiy

Posted long ago on the page of my resource (in Russian) (http://rakarskiy.narod.ru)
Of course solar, water or wind energy is 'free' but this forum is called 'overunity' forum so i think talking about normal solar panels etc is not really the topic of this forum.
Title: Re: This forum is turning into trash
Post by: skywatcher on October 31, 2019, 12:04:32 AM
skywatcher
I'm going to comment further on this point because it sends completely the wrong message and is incorrect.

First, there is no such thing as "man-made" energy because we cannot create or destroy energy only transform it. We have to get past these ego-centric false notions that we have the capacity create energy when we do not. All energy is inherently free and at best mankind is barely intelligent enough to even transform energy with 50% efficiency.

We also have to get past this ridiculous notion that we own energy or that someone somewhere has paid for it. I mean what's next, are you going to say someone owns the Sun or Sunlight or the oceans or the air we breath?. I believe these narcissistic beliefs come from the degeneration of society which worships greed and ownership. A cult if you will in which people barely intelligent enough to understand much of anything that matters have inferred god like properties on themselves. 

If you want to know how great and god like mankind is just look at the state of the world we are in the process of destroying. Intelligent people do not destroy the place they live out of complete ignorance to the facts then claim to be intelligent. That's a special kind of stupid in my opinion.
You are right, nobody can generate energy. What we pay for is not the energy, but the conversion. This conversion requires machines which have to be built and operated, which of course costs something. When i extend your argumentation everything should be free, because everything you can buy is made from materials which originally were 'free'. Why should i pay for metal because it comes out of the earth, and therefore it's 'free'. The same applies for oil, for food, for almost everything...

Title: Re: This forum is turning into trash
Post by: Raycathode on October 31, 2019, 12:07:47 AM
This is your interpretation but it's not the law... at least not in all countries. I know cases of people who have been punished for stealing energy because they operated fluorescent lights connected to an antenna in their garden near a powerful RF transmitter. And in fact it's stealing because absorbing RF power near an RF transmitter will reduce its range of transmitting.
How do you make that out? you would have to tune to it and i very much doubt if you could get that much power and any way Henry Moray would go deep into the desert far away from any radio stations or power supplying distributer and his device still worked.

And you don't have any real idea how electrons can be excited and exciting them doesn't mean you're creating them
your just making it easier to collect them from inside a huge capacitor we live in.

I suggest you find Morays books and PDFs and read them Also Tesla's patents and Hevysides and James clerk Maxwel were the old masters like  C.P. Steinmetz pre doctored notes before Morgan had them doctored and learn something. because you know nothing as we all did till we found the truth!

Just because you say you cant manufacture energy does not mean it cant enter the planet or leave it !
Title: Re: This forum is turning into trash
Post by: skywatcher on October 31, 2019, 12:29:56 AM
How do you make that out? you would have to tune to it and i very much doubt if you could get that much power and any way Henry Moray would go deep into the desert far away from any radio stations or power supplying distributer and his device still worked.

It worked ?  Really ?  Why is nobody able to replicate this today ?
Title: Re: This forum is turning into trash
Post by: Raycathode on October 31, 2019, 07:16:21 AM
How do you know that  is for sure ? after all this is a facebook gathering for just the type of people you describe above. 'ANTS' they are all over!
negative thinking thourts.  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D.

Moray King could be your man, try reading books from positive people might help next be optimistic.

Raymondo
Title: Re: This forum is turning into trash
Post by: rakarskiy on October 31, 2019, 11:24:02 AM
Of course solar, water or wind energy is 'free' but this forum is called 'overunity' forum so i think talking about normal solar panels etc is not really the topic of this forum.

Perhaps you do not understand the essence of my definition. The definition refers to the concept of free energy. In closed systems without technical result - more than one, you will not get free energy.  Free energy is a commercial result!  More than one - technical result.
With respect.
Title: Re: This forum is turning into trash
Post by: lancaIV on October 31, 2019, 03:15:50 PM
rakarskiy
My next house is going to be off grid with no electrical, water or gas utilities on my acreage. As such there are no meters to read and no reason for anyone to enter my private property which would be trespassing. So once I'm up and running I will simply add FE to my basic solar setup already in place and I'm off grid with FE. It's not that difficult in my opinion once a person has a plan in place.

The cool part is I can build my house anywhere I choose no matter how remote because it's off grid. It could be on a mountain, or a lake or wherever I choose with few restrictions. My goal is freedom and independence not so much FE which is simply a means to an end.


Yes, we all can build our house everywhere : where it is allowed. !
I do not think that elsewhere in the industrialized Estates is " administrative virgin land" without restricions. !
Rural land is often NOT farm-land,making for example part from a "bio-sphere/  nature park" where to  ( new) build is forbidden or strongly conditionized. !
Also often in several countries farm-land is preserved : here in the country for example only construction allowed up 4 ha= 40000 sqm rural  land area and not making part from " national Agricultural/Ecological reservation" ! ( RAN,REN)
 Here you can buy land with river/lake border for 10000 Euros/ha and less but without construction right,also not unfixed caravans or "living container type homes"! ( Yurts,tents probably  ::) )
Camping : yes !         living for longer time : No !   :-\ Restricted " freedome"- democracy. !

The finance sector exists by increasing speculative 1€/sqm rural land to 100€/sqm " construction Land" !
+ minimum 3 sqm construction Land for 1 sqm "living area" !
Instead 3€/ sqm" living area" to pay 300 €/sqm " living area"! 297€/sqm " living area" windfall profits = 99% !

And well concepted middle class comfort DIY homes with 250 €/sqm "construction kit"- prices offered by the industrial-financial system for 1000 € and more " ready-to-live" per sqm. !
100 sqm DIY home kit +  rural land for 30000 Euros new /  120000 Euros industrial solution  !How many years have home-owner to work for 90000 € ?With rented 3d printer-help construction time for 100 sqm : 24 hours  !
Who buys "ready-to-use" has suddenly 75% price-worth difference losts. !Who finances his buy by credit has suddenly 90% price-worth - credit losts. !

Credit comfort is expensive. !

Regards
Title: Re: This forum is turning into trash
Post by: onepower on October 31, 2019, 11:41:06 PM
skywatcher
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You are right, nobody can generate energy. What we pay for is not the energy, but the conversion. This conversion requires machines which have to be built and operated, which of course costs something. When i extend your argumentation everything should be free, because everything you can buy is made from materials which originally were 'free'. Why should i pay for metal because it comes out of the earth, and therefore it's 'free'. The same applies for oil, for food, for almost everything...

By extending my argument you have taken it completely out of context in my opinion. The context was that a waste product or loss to the environment such as EM energy cannot be owned by anyone otherwise they would be laying claim to ownership of part of the environment. As I said if I emit CO2 and you use it somewhere else I cannot claim you have stolen it because I discarded it to the environment. It is unenforceable and would never hold up in any court of law because it's absurd.

The energy companies know they have nothing to say with respect to stray EM energy which is why they spread disinformation to gullible people to prevent energy scavenging. I would love to see them in court and make them look foolish, I have no problem with it.

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It worked ?  Really ?  Why is nobody able to replicate this today ?

Well, because T.H.Moray was a genius and most people including yourself are obviously not. Moray spent 30 years of his life researching and experimenting to perfect a single device and you would presume to be smarter than him... I think not. Where do people get off thinking they can just figure this out overnight, do they think there smarter than all the Nobel prize winners as well?. In reality building a working FE device is like winning the lottery and you have to put in the time and do the proper research with an open mind to succeed. Either you have what it takes or it's just wishful thinking and you may as well take up another hobby... fishing perhaps.

Regards
Title: Re: This forum is turning into trash
Post by: skywatcher on November 01, 2019, 12:17:59 PM
How do you know that  is for sure ? after all this is a facebook gathering for just the type of people you describe above. 'ANTS' they are all over!
negative thinking thourts.  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D .

Moray King could be your man, try reading books from positive people might help next be optimistic.

Raymondo

My point is:

There are people claiming 'overunity exists' and they are telling stories about working magnet motors, water-powered cars, and other types of devices... but when you want real proof, when you want so see it working, when you want to see construction plans, you get NOTHING. This forum is full of stuff like this, and it is repeating over and over again, but there was never a working device which could be successfully reproduced by others.  NEVER.

When i look at Moray King i also see nothing which could be actually used. He is doing research (which of course is good) and maybe he has discovered some effects which can not be easily explained (which you will always find when you are doing experiments of any kind) but as far as i could see he also has nothing which actually works and can be reproduced.
Title: Re: This forum is turning into trash
Post by: onepower on November 01, 2019, 11:12:26 PM
skywatcher
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My point is:
There are people claiming 'overunity exists' and they are telling stories about working magnet motors, water-powered cars, and other types of devices... but when you want real proof, when you want so see it working, when you want to see construction plans, you get NOTHING. This forum is full of stuff like this, and it is repeating over and over again, but there was never a working device which could be successfully reproduced by others.  NEVER.

Overunity is often defined as "over", "unity"; one, a COP of one, therefor overunity is over a COP of 1 or 100% efficiency. Which never implied that anyone was getting something from nothing which is not the case and quite absurd. One example is a common heat pump which has a COP >1 therefore it is over-unity by definition. It does not generate heat through dissipation but rather moves heat energy through a process which many would do well to study.

I would agree the forums are ambiguous and most people don't understand the technology or even where to start hence the reason they are here. They want to get involved and make a difference which is a noble cause in my opinion.

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When i look at Moray King i also see nothing which could be actually used. He is doing research (which of course is good) and maybe he has discovered some effects which can not be easily explained (which you will always find when you are doing experiments of any kind) but as far as i could see he also has nothing which actually works and can be reproduced.

No offense to anyone but many references such as this are simply click bait, that is, oh look this person has it or look at this link which generally always leads nowhere. It's just part of the culture here where people pretend to know much more than they actually do to fit in. Not a big deal and it happens everywhere in society because it is human nature.

The trick, if you will, which I have found is to not interact so much with people who tend to drag you down to a lower level but ask questions of those you think can move you forward to a higher one. Do you understand?, just ignore the people who obviously know very little and find those who can move your understanding forward. This is not a pissing contest my friend and if you are here to improve your knowledge and understanding there are people here who can help... if you ask.

Regards

Title: Re: This forum is turning into trash
Post by: skywatcher on November 02, 2019, 01:26:30 AM
Well, because T.H.Moray was a genius and most people including yourself are obviously not. Moray spent 30 years of his life researching and experimenting to perfect a single device and you would presume to be smarter than him... I think not. Where do people get off thinking they can just figure this out overnight, do they think there smarter than all the Nobel prize winners as well?. In reality building a working FE device is like winning the lottery and you have to put in the time and do the proper research with an open mind to succeed. Either you have what it takes or it's just wishful thinking and you may as well take up another hobby... fishing perhaps.

So if Mr. Moray spent 30 years of his life to develop a working device, and if this was successful, where are his devices now ?
Was nobody else able to replicate them ?
Did he fail to document everything and took his secrets into his grave ?

I never claimed to be smarter than anyone. I'm only asking questions.

The Moray device is only one of many. There are others as well who claimed success. But none of them could be successfully replicated. How strange is this ?
Title: Re: This forum is turning into trash
Post by: DavidWolff on November 02, 2019, 03:21:06 PM
Skywatcher you sound very angry are you angry? For an educational experiance  lookup, Moray King on youtube and learn how the masters got things to work!
as you wont find much in this thread as folk ether want to bull shit or ridicule others and think about this what's the difference with
and between 50 or 60 Hz and 50 or 60 Khz  the number of transitions in between each zero-crossing  point node it produces more energy
so what's the difference with that and zero-point energy the same thing atc a far greater frequency, now find somewhere to get it from, answer the fluctuating
background of cosmic space that bombards our planet randomly collection problem and you're there. 8) 8)



Dave Knowmore
Title: Re: This forum is turning into trash
Post by: skywatcher on November 02, 2019, 08:15:25 PM
Skywatcher you sound very angry are you angry? For an educational experiance  lookup, Moray King on youtube and learn how the masters got things to work!
as you wont find much in this thread as folk ether want to bull shit or ridicule others and think about this what's the difference with
and between 50 or 60 Hz and 50 or 60 Khz  the number of transitions in between each zero-crossing  point node it produces more energy
so what's the difference with that and zero-point energy the same thing atc a far greater frequency, now find somewhere to get it from, answer the fluctuating
background of cosmic space that bombards our planet randomly collection problem and you're there. 8) 8)



Dave Knowmore

Angry ?  Maybe a little bit...  angry about people who pretend to know or have something, but when you ask concrete questions you don't get concrete answers... angry about all the stupid stuff which is posted over and over again, where it is obvious that it can not work... angry about all the scammers etc...

We should focus on reliable information which can actually be used by others. If you have something, please post it. But please post everything, not only some vague hints with some 'if i post more some men in black will come and take me' nonsense.

You understand what i mean ?
Title: Re: This forum is turning into trash
Post by: onepower on November 02, 2019, 08:20:08 PM
skywatcher
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So if Mr. Moray spent 30 years of his life to develop a working device, and if this was successful, where are his devices now ?
Was nobody else able to replicate them ?
Did he fail to document everything and took his secrets into his grave ?

T.H.Moray, like many inventors got involved with business people and investors. Later after going public he received death threats almost daily and was even shot by someone. Moray did document his work and wrote a great deal of literature regarding most of it however he did not disclose the critical details allowing it to be replicated.

T.H.Moray's work was carried on by Paulo & Alexandra Correa with there research of PAGD (Pulsed Abnormal Glow Discharges).
http://www.rexresearch.com/correa/correa.htm
If your looking for a starting point to research FE and build something this is by far the best place to start. Almost all credible FE devices always come full circle back to HV and plasma physics. As well the Correa's work is by far, bar none, the most well documented research you will find anywhere on the internet.

In my opinion, because of the sheer number of witnesses and countless tests done by qualified experts this device was real. Of my list of FE devices I believe were genuine and credible T.H.Moray is in the top 3. He is also one of the few inventors who wrote a great deal of literature explaining in detail how he thought the device worked and more important where he thought the energy came from. In this respect, he is at the top of the list and required reading in my opinion.

Regards
Title: Re: This forum is turning into trash
Post by: Turbo on November 02, 2019, 09:22:10 PM
skywatcher
T.H.Moray, like many inventors got involved with business people and investors. Later after going public he received death threats almost daily and was even shot by someone. Moray did document his work and wrote a great deal of literature regarding most of it however he did not disclose the critical details allowing it to be replicated.

T.H.Moray's work was carried on by Paulo & Alexandra Correa with there research of PAGD (Pulsed Abnormal Glow Discharges).
http://www.rexresearch.com/correa/correa.htm
If your looking for a starting point to research FE and build something this is by far the best place to start. Almost all credible FE devices always come full circle back to HV and plasma physics. As well the Correa's work is by far, bar none, the most well documented research you will find anywhere on the internet.

In my opinion, because of the sheer number of witnesses and countless tests done by qualified experts this device was real. Of my list of FE devices I believe were genuine and credible T.H.Moray is in the top 3. He is also one of the few inventors who wrote a great deal of literature explaining in detail how he thought the device worked and more important where he thought the energy came from. In this respect, he is at the top of the list and required reading in my opinion.

Regards

Well i build a PAGD way back in 2009.
I just realized that its already 10 years ago.
And even though you are right it could be the best documented device or process, it does not state anything about the source of the excess energy.
This is the same for Moray and Gray and many more, sure some have a theory but that is what anyone would expect by analyzing the set up.
So i will tell you my findings on that PAGD.
The electrodes deteriorated and it would only run for a limited amount of time before they need a replacement.
I firmly believe that the electrodes undergo a nuclear transmutation thereby releasing energy.
This means they or the material itself is the fuel that get's 'burned'
And the energy that is released is then channeled or focused by the strong electric field component.
It could be a crude way and there might be more efficient way's to generate the same effects.
And it is known that elements can undergo transmutation when they are bombarded by high energetic particles of a specific energy level.
That is certainly at work in that tube and you can see that by studying the discharge curve.
Title: Re: This forum is turning into trash
Post by: lancaIV on November 02, 2019, 10:20:55 PM
Tesla, Edwin Gray, Correia/Chukanov, T. H.  Moray : themes from 2004 and earlier


Can their inventions be same cheap per KWh-electricity like :


https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=5&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19280203&CC=FR&NR=633752A&KC=A# (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=5&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19280203&CC=FR&NR=633752A&KC=A#)
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=2&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20121009&CC=US&NR=8283799B1&KC=B1# (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=2&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20121009&CC=US&NR=8283799B1&KC=B1#)
2 €cents/KWh. ! But uncontroled : over - and/or under Wh or Wp demand  !


Strategy "Term": Balance of Power ,not to less/to much ,but : perfect. : 100% demand serving !

A perfect off-grid organized system : 5 €cents/KWh ,global average. !

The last real barrier: high charge cycles battery/supercapacitor costs

2019 progress news :
https://www.intelligentliving.co/stanfords-cheap-bendable-aluminum-battery-charges-minute/ (https://www.intelligentliving.co/stanfords-cheap-bendable-aluminum-battery-charges-minute/)

https://www.hotspotenergy.com/solar-batteries/price-list.php2005 Carbon AGM battery " patented or publicated "? + 17 or + 20 years grant validation   ?Next worldwide faster battery price decrease.phase !
Accelerated by supercapacitor market  entree with 10000 charge cycles and 125 US$/KWh endconsumer price. !

Title: Re: This forum is turning into trash
Post by: onepower on November 02, 2019, 11:38:37 PM
Turbo
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Well i build a PAGD way back in 2009.
I just realized that its already 10 years ago.
And even though you are right it could be the best documented device or process, it does not state anything about the source of the excess energy.This is the same for Moray and Gray and many more, sure some have a theory but that is what anyone would expect by analyzing the set up.

Time sure flies and I really started getting into FE around 2009.

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So i will tell you my findings on that PAGD.
The electrodes deteriorated and it would only run for a limited amount of time before they need a replacement.
I firmly believe that the electrodes undergo a nuclear transmutation thereby releasing energy.
This means they or the material itself is the fuel that get's 'burned'

Moray and Tesla mentioned Cosmic Energy as the source however few people could connect the dots. You see Cosmic Energy is the primary cause of all oscillations in matter, which causes the field/binding forces in matter, which when disturbed through fission-fusion-transmutation liberates said energy in matter. As such most theories are correct to a certain degree it's just that few could trace the primary cause of the energy back to the external environment... Cosmic Energy. We know this is true because the same effects which liberate energy from matter also cause matter to interact with the environment ie. anti-gravity effects. Ergo, it cannot simply be "nuclear" in origin because nuclear relating specifically to the atom cannot produce anti-gravity effects in itself.

As well every true genius involved in FE followed a specific learning curve. First FE effects, then FE devices, then the transmutation of matter and then a select few graduated to anti-gravity devices and other external effects such as weather modification. Therefore there must be a direct link between FE and the external environment.

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And the energy that is released is then channeled or focused by the strong electric field component.
It could be a crude way and there might be more efficient way's to generate the same effects.
And it is known that elements can undergo transmutation when they are bombarded by high energetic particles of a specific energy level.
That is certainly at work in that tube and you can see that by studying the discharge curve.

I suspect there are many ways of releasing the energy latent in matter and we need to get past the primitive notions of burning, consuming or using things up. The universe is in perpetual motion on every level, motion is energy, therefore all we need to do is transform or convert this motion/energy into a more suitable form of motion/energy.

Regards
Title: Re: This forum is turning into trash
Post by: rakarskiy on November 03, 2019, 10:23:46 AM
As well every true genius involved in FE followed a specific learning curve. First FE effects, then FE devices, then the transmutation of matter and then a select few graduated to anti-gravity devices and other external effects such as weather modification. Therefore there must be a direct link between FE and the external environment.

I dare say. 
There are at least two types of electrical power generation devices.  Devices, the first type-which uses the potential of the external environment (conversion of various fuels or capture potential, external forces).
Devices of the second type-which use the potential of the artificially created internal environment (this is the upper type, which has an engineering solution, which is based on the cyclic operation of the Archimedes lever, centrifugal forces, etc.also devices configured to perform the similarity of the Archimedes lever, but in magnetism and it is not mechanics).
I am interested in the second type of devices, which is the desired for OU.

**********
A small video, appropriate subjects. The author claims that the technology is from the past of the Communist Soviet Union.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SEAZPmnEa0

Title: Re: This forum is turning into trash
Post by: Turbo on November 03, 2019, 02:14:59 PM
Well that gray tube looks like an open air Crooks tube and i can see the same thing the bombardment of an element with high energetic particles but it also looks like the crudest way or a brute force way to do it, just generate as much sparks as possible to get some of it just right.
Of course this ties into gravity because its the direct conversion of matter into energy so the fuel element will lose weight and whoever say's that is not gravity related  ::)
Title: Re: This forum is turning into trash
Post by: DavidWolff on November 03, 2019, 02:58:39 PM
Well that gray tube looks like an open air Crooks tube and i can see the same thing the bombardment of an element with high energetic particles but it also looks like the crudest way or a brute force way to do it, just generate as much sparks as possible to get some of it just right.
Of course this ties into gravity because its the direct conversion of matter into energy so the fuel element will lose weight and whoever say's that is not gravity related  ::)
  Wrong gravity is the most understood can of worms going it's about electrical charge, as above so below the egeptions discovered that hundreds if not thousands of years ago.

the planet is like a huge atom with the electron which is the same way the atom is held together around its center o0nce you got to the earths center you would lose the pull.
Title: Re: This forum is turning into trash
Post by: Turbo on November 03, 2019, 03:09:48 PM
  Wrong gravity is the most understood can of worms going it's about electrical charge, as above so below the egeptions discovered that hundreds if not thousands of years ago.

the planet is like a huge atom with the electron which is the same way the atom is held together around its center o0nce you got to the earths center you would lose the pull.

Explain to me how there is no link between the amount of mass and gravity.

Explain to me how your car with a filled gas tank is equally heavy as your car with an empty gas tank.
Are you sure about that ?
Title: Re: This forum is turning into trash
Post by: Turbo on November 03, 2019, 03:15:02 PM
This forum has always been trash.
It's just getting worse.

To theorize about the unknowns is one thing.
But people even start to debate the already well known and established things.
It can not possibly get and worse than that.
Title: Re: This forum is turning into trash
Post by: kolbacict on November 03, 2019, 03:38:05 PM
  o0nce you got to the earths center you would lose the pull.
for this you need to get there (in the center)?
to do the work.
Title: Re: This forum is turning into trash
Post by: onepower on November 03, 2019, 11:19:58 PM
Turbo
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This forum has always been trash.
It's just getting worse.

To theorize about the unknowns is one thing.
But people even start to debate the already well known and established things.
It can not possibly get and worse than that.

Agreed, and most people cannot even grasp what is already known and found in most textbooks let alone moving the conversation forward. Now we have the flat Earther's and the Trumper's with there nonsensical alternative facts. It could hardly get any more screwed up but somehow... we know it will.

Title: Re: This forum is turning into trash
Post by: DavidWolff on November 05, 2019, 10:48:00 AM
Yes, your absolutly right not one of the guys or gals on this forum has shown any real clue as to how it all works since Stefan brought in that (Philistine) guy you all know who! In truth, Henry Moray was a bloody good engineer and futuristic design super brain who knew his stuff who was pestered by political moronic peasants who destroyed all his work in the end over ignorance and stole all his work like semiconductors and his plasmer accelerator valve which is very close to the magnetron used in microwave cookers today.

It' s a shit situation the way it's going and won't change for sure well not here.
Title: Re: This forum is turning into trash
Post by: Turbo on November 05, 2019, 01:19:13 PM
Not for as long as you will keep posting your opinions.
Title: Re: This forum is turning into trash
Post by: AlienGrey on November 06, 2019, 12:10:15 AM
My point is:

There are people claiming 'overunity exists' and they are telling stories about working magnet motors, water-powered cars, and other types of devices... but when you want real proof, when you want so see it working, when you want to see construction plans, you get NOTHING. This forum is full of stuff like this, and it is repeating over and over again, but there was never a working device which could be successfully reproduced by others.  NEVER.

When I look at Moray King I also see nothing which could be actually used. He is doing research (which of course is good) and maybe he has discovered some effects which can not be easily explained (which you will always find when you are doing experiments of any kind) but as far as I could see he also has nothing which actually works and can be reproduced.
Well It depends on what you look for and where you look and what keywords you using your vocabulary is just free energy what do you expect, I'm not trying to be evasive but you can only use this stuff for educational ends producing it will get you and others into trouble.

BOTH Dr. Stiffler and Wesley know more than most but I don't see any of them or our host  Steffan putting themselves at risk so please search your self on this subject I'm sure you will find stuff to help you out by READING!

HAPPY DAYS BUD!

Turbo  Re your comment apers to contradict itself See Quote
you make a statement and then jump to a conclusion


So i will tell you my findings on that PAGD.
The electrodes deteriorated and it would only run for a limited amount of time before they need a replacement.


This means they or the material itself is the fuel that gets 'burned'
And the energy that is released is then channeled or focused by the strong electric field component.

It could be a crude way and there might be a more efficient way's to generate the same effects.
~>I'm sure i could think of another 2 ways of doing this but the way you are suggesting it depends on the material and the only way back at the start that worked and was exploited to its limit. <
And it is known that elements can undergo transmutation when they are bombarded by high energetic particles of a specific energy level.

How about your self making such a device your self a test rig to display your findings you're talking about i'm sure the TPU uses this same invention in fact iknow it does.

Good luck.
Title: Re: This forum is turning into trash
Post by: lancaIV on November 06, 2019, 02:29:40 PM
http://www.bticcs.com/pub.htm (http://www.bticcs.com/pub.htm)
"CCS a New Technology for the Automatic Charge Controle of Rechargeable Batteries  "
Entering E. : 1:3 duty cycle/factor = 1:9 

Now the question : really " lost" or

 for appropriate use a solution :
"power saving " and coefficient of performance improvement !?



Pulse power motor re-/charge process  ! INSTEAD BATTERY CAPACITOR


http://guns.connect.fi/innoplaza/energy/story/Kanarev/ (http://guns.connect.fi/innoplaza/energy/story/Kanarev/)
Let us declare him "as worst case":  a "charlatan" ,
"ON THE WAY TO PULSE POWER ENGINEERING"

but where is the fault in calculation(= "contradictions" !)  that


pulse voltage x pulse current = 15000 Watt output

by average voltage x average current 1,5 Watt input

Amplitude : 10000 = ten thousand times.           Max/Min = less               Min/Max= more
Title: Re: This forum is turning into trash
Post by: rakarskiy on November 06, 2019, 05:30:01 PM
http://guns.connect.fi/innoplaza/energy/story/Kanarev/ (http://guns.connect.fi/innoplaza/energy/story/Kanarev/)
Let us declare him "as worst case":  a "charlatan" ,
"ON THE WAY TO PULSE POWER ENGINEERING"

Oddly enough, the inspector came, measured his thermal system with a pulsed plasma heater, made sure that the efficiency was greater than one, and left. Confirm and impossible to destroy ... you joined in, too. With Boris Z. the motor-generator works in the same way.  Came looked and is gone.
What's the catch? He doesn't believe like a parasite. Parasite counts "the number", Kanarev produces a "result". In the end, the parasite is a loser and " bankrupt"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Py3eYmee-Ew
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxbtVaiXilg
Title: Re: This forum is turning into trash
Post by: lancaIV on November 07, 2019, 01:54:13 PM
rakarsky,Professor = teacher Kanarev : numbers are also his world ,not only physical experiments. !
15000 Wpeak x triangle pulse form (0,5) x pulse duration 0,00014 sec ~ 1 Waverage. = UNITY

3600 Ws = 1 Wh = UNITY

         Important are the 3x measurements contradictions !


http://rexresearch.com/kanarev2/kanarevpulsemtr.htm (http://rexresearch.com/kanarev2/kanarevpulsemtr.htm)
" ....... power definition by WATT : Watt is work done per second by current and voltage continuously.   ....."

But there are, beside power input controle ( stepper motor technology/ Nola et cet.), the gains by displacement current to magnetic force use ( capacitor)  and the mechanical pull force by +/- magnets repulsion( JLNaudinds push&pull demonstration)  !



Number-errors :

http://rexresearch.com/kanarev2/kanarevpulsemtr.htm (http://rexresearch.com/kanarev2/kanarevpulsemtr.htm)
to create energy storage devices which demonstrate energy conversion characteristics well in excess of gasoline
[ 650 watt hours /kilo]

 "ucrainian gasoline" ?

Normal "gasoline" EURO-5  chemical energy content 11,57 KWh/Kilo

The me only known - theoretical -  storage device comparable to gasoline
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=2&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20021231&CC=US&NR=6501093B1&KC=B1# (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=2&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20021231&CC=US&NR=6501093B1&KC=B1#)
There is nowhere worldwide somebody actually working on this level  !

Citing documents :
Dr. Lazarev
Nearing this level : http://energystoragereport.info/capacitor-sciences-thin-film-capacitor-technology/ (http://energystoragereport.info/capacitor-sciences-thin-film-capacitor-technology/)
2016 prediction : 250 Wh/Kg, later 1000 Wh/Kg,  +++ .........
bought by Blue Solution 2016, part from the french grouphttps://fr.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bollor%C3%A9_Investissement (https://fr.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bollor%C3%A9_Investissement)
Title: Re: This forum is turning into trash
Post by: rakarskiy on November 09, 2019, 02:35:21 PM
rakarsky,Professor = teacher Kanarev : numbers are also his world ,not only physical experiments. !
15000 Wpeak x triangle pulse form (0,5) x pulse duration 0,00014 sec ~ 1 Waverage. = UNITY

3600 Ws = 1 Wh = UNITY

         Important are the 3x measurements contradictions !

So you're counting the entrance. Similar to their believes and Kanarev. I'm talking about the heat released by his plasma cell. The cost of one input, the heat dissipation of the other, is much greater than the cost of the input. That is-the total result of work (heat) is more than one. This point is demonstrated Kanarev, where the military evaluate the technique for its measurement.
Title: Re: This forum is turning into trash
Post by: lancaIV on November 09, 2019, 03:21:02 PM
You take a tube and a heat lamp :

how much energy per Liter water for 1° Celsius increase. ?




https://m.phys.org/news/2015-10-superconducting-ink-instantly.html (https://m.phys.org/news/2015-10-superconducting-ink-instantly.html)

You take a tube, coat the outside with the Bolano coating, and a heat lamp :
 how much energy per  liter water  for 1°C increase ?



http://free-energy.ws/samuel-freedman/ (http://free-energy.ws/samuel-freedman/)

You take a tube,coat the outside with the Bolano coating,the inside coating with Freedmans " chemalloy" and a heat lamp :

how much energy per liter water for 1°C increase. ?


From 1 tube with diameter X to 10 capillar tubes with diameter 1/10 X, inside and outside coated :how much energy per liter water for 1° C increase  ?

quadrat centimeter tube surface/ ml water per second ratio = water stream velocity !


Next step :

The heat lamp consume controled by :
https://patents.google.com/patent/US5130608A/en (https://patents.google.com/patent/US5130608A/en)
From 100 W lamp nominal electric consume the heat output in calories . ?
to   4 W lamp consume + 8 W Modul consume = 12 W consume the heat output. in calories ?

Next improvement :

Instead conventional lamp using graphite heat element :
https://patents.google.com/patent/US6741805B2/en (https://patents.google.com/patent/US6741805B2/en)
"... energy savings of up to about 75% are realized over conventionalheat elements... "
 industrial heat lamps/bulbs Calori/Watt comparison. ?


Chemische Katalyse
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=11&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19760115&CC=DE&NR=2429086A1&KC=A1# (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=11&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19760115&CC=DE&NR=2429086A1&KC=A1#)

https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=4&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20161222&CC=DE&NR=112014006403A5&KC=A5#
+ low heat to kinetic energy ( rotations)  to generator or heat-electric foil
Title: Re: This forum is turning into trash
Post by: ramset on December 11, 2019, 06:30:17 PM
repost for ArmCortex new handle Toolofcortex

Tool
It is quite obvious you spend a lot of time in front of the mirror
Telling yourself how smart and beautiful you are.


Must be hard cleaning all those kissy and smooch marks off everyday


Truly a legend in your own mind
Such persons come here all the time...


Yes you seem interesting at times ,some level of intuition ,and yes it is nice to think
A fresh look at some topics could be beneficial.


However ,instead of leading from behind and accusing persons ...Or lighting little fires
All around the forum for attention.


Leave the mirror alone for a few minutes and show us lower beings
How it’s done.
Grow some courage and start a new topic


 if you must ? go back to your nasty old “this forum stinks “ topic
So be it !!
Man up!!

Or are you just a bored and hungry programmer hunting for his next “big break “in an open source
Venue.?


There are some remarkable people in the open source community
 I don’t care if it takes 10,000×10,000,000 times trial and error.
 We all know there is more to this world , and every day we learn more and more just how deep our lack of understanding is .


  you want to change this world ? be that change


 Stop pointing the finger at other people and making excuses


Sincerely
Chet K
Title: Re: This forum is turning into trash
Post by: Pirate88179 on November 08, 2020, 02:14:03 AM
Turbo
Agreed, and most people cannot even grasp what is already known and found in most textbooks let alone moving the conversation forward. Now we have the flat Earther's and the Trumper's with there nonsensical alternative facts. It could hardly get any more screwed up but somehow... we know it will.


Wrong.
Title: Re: This forum is turning into trash
Post by: ramset on November 08, 2020, 05:33:09 PM
Bill
Even if just one word
Nice to see you around


A question
Your joulethief work with that wonderful woman / fellow experimenter


What was your best result ?
I remember 100’s (4 ?) of Christmas lights running
On a smooshed / dead AAA battery?


You have a link ?
Joule thief’s are making a comeback ?


Thx
Chet
Title: Re: This forum is turning into trash
Post by: Paul-R on November 14, 2020, 12:57:17 AM
Turbo
Agreed, and most people cannot even grasp what is already known and found in most textbooks let alone moving the conversation forward. Now we have the flat Earther's and the Trumper's with there nonsensical alternative facts. It could hardly get any more screwed up but somehow... we know it will.

Yes, I quite agree. To quote Shakespeare:  "Uneasy hangs the head that wears the crown". What the hell is Stefan doing aboout it?


Title: Re: This forum is turning into trash
Post by: stivep on November 14, 2020, 09:31:33 PM
few thoughts although not many  of you  may care at all.
1:
 what would happened with this forum when Stefan is gone forever?

2:
what would happened  with amount of  Peoples information stored here guiding others  fro more  work?

3:
what would be feeling of these who store information here  and not in  any other place so they can look at  their own work from the perspective of
time and other people response. Would they  lose their own work data   stored here  for years?

4:
Kelly forum and Kelly's  library is gone .
what would be next?

5:
 is there any way to  download/ store information from particular topic and how to do it ?

Wesley
Title: Re: This forum is turning into trash
Post by: stivep on November 14, 2020, 10:09:38 PM
Something about me:
1. I intended to give out  for free FE device to the world.
    However I had no idea how to do it in 2009.

2.I invested money and  now I have two incredible labs.
    That was noticed by some Russians and 3 times I was close to no longer be among  you guys.
3. Easiness to  acquire  tools, instruments, made me to  collect tools I don't need for FE but it was tempting.   
    Some of these tools required  some work , till I  got to the level where is to much of that .. and it interrupts my  primary direction.

4.Finally I  did it .I build the device that didn't work but Dr Hans  made it to work and now I depend  on someones mood and decision to release it.
  The obligation is  strictly   of emotional value and I can do it at any day and any  time.
  The conclusion is that:
- values we were  shaped with , to obey, in our social world,are wrong for business and wrong for progress.
- cultivating   respect, morals , trustfulness, fairness,  is good for  selfsame  individual who has his own set of rules but he doesn't want get out of its brackets.

5.My partner is  younger but not as much younger  than me.
   He behaves  like teenager having brain and  scientific value of high level educator,
   He is conflicting with my freedom of sharing information.

6. Let's assume that FE is released  by me or my partner today.
  Should I care what will happen to  the world of human animals after they  multiply due to easiness of life and destroy   
  world ability to support food supply for overpopulated idiots?

7. My secrets are not secrets , I published most of information on my part of forum.
   Skilled experimenter  can easily do what I did and Dr Hans is not needed any longer.

question:
 is it good or bad that  you dear  readers are  lazy, unmotivated  and not willing to  educate yourself in the
 area that needs  possibly 3 weeks  of additional learning by simply reading
 and not much more than that?


The  two Tesla coils to  learn A to B  energy transfer  takes 2 days to build.
The next step is extracting energy from Schumann Waveguide.
The VNA helps a lot  but Dr Corum didn't  use it.
The spectrum analyzer  helps even more but Dr Corum didn't  use it.
Kapanadze was  even more primitive in it and created  more advanced device than Dr Corum.

question :
what is your personal value level at..
is it lesser  in value than that uneducated in electronics architect  Tariel Kapanadze  who didn't  even graduate  college ?
How do you think  you would  describe yourself  and your potential ?
Should  you be disappointed with crowd around you?
or should crowd around you reject you for low performance?
 
what makes you valuable to yourself ?
Wesley
Title: Re: This forum is turning into trash
Post by: stivep on November 14, 2020, 10:40:17 PM

I have got first response:
Quote
Ask the guys on your forum do they  they watch TV?
wasting time, on garbage in TV,  is like eating fast food)
So ask them how often they been to Burger King or McDonald ?
Waste of time and waste of potential is likely visible from observer stand point?
Wesley  why do you care?
How many diamonds did you find in your life?
Let them be who they want to be.
Wesley
Title: Re: This forum is turning into trash
Post by: Paul-R on November 14, 2020, 11:29:12 PM

4:
Kelly forum and Kelly's  library is gone .
what would be next?

It looks unchanged to me.


Title: Re: This forum is turning into trash
Post by: Paul-R on November 14, 2020, 11:59:29 PM


question:
 is it good or bad that  you dear  readers are  lazy, unmotivated  and not willing to  educate yourself in the
 area that needs  possibly 3 weeks  of additional learning by simply reading
 and not much more than that?



You must understand that you are a very high level thinker and that most of us on this board cannot keep up unless you make it relatively very accessable indeed, starting at the beginning and proceeding, as the Americans would say, in bite sized pieces.

If John Bedini did one thing very well it was enabling almost complete beginners to make his energiser, the "School Girl" device. (After all, the eponymous the school girl did it, with the front wheel of her brother's bike).
Working along his lines should get results.

Title: Re: This forum is turning into trash
Post by: stivep on November 15, 2020, 12:04:13 AM
It looks unchanged to me.
can you contribute to that library?
can you interact with it?
The library is closed and you can only see the door knob..till it'll vanish as nobody pays for server  any longer.
respond to this  please:
https://overunity.com/18340/this-forum-is-turning-into-trash/msg553174/#msg553174 (https://overunity.com/18340/this-forum-is-turning-into-trash/msg553174/#msg553174)



Wesley
 
Title: Re: This forum is turning into trash
Post by: lancaIV on November 15, 2020, 12:04:34 AM
The right tools to the right mens                                                       
             
                                                               Andrew Carnegie
Title: Re: This forum is turning into trash
Post by: Paul-R on November 15, 2020, 12:11:30 AM
can you contribute to that library?
can you interact with it?
The library is closed and you can only see the door knob..till it'll vanish as nobody pays for server  any longer.

Wesley
You can see into the rooms which are frozen - not updated - but I share your concerns. In my view, the biggest worry is that someone will be given control and will alter things in a way Patrick would not want. It could get fouled up. I wonder if you, personally, would care to contact whoever responds to his email address and have a chat.

Title: Re: This forum is turning into trash
Post by: stivep on November 15, 2020, 12:23:11 AM
I wonder if you, personally, would care to contact whoever responds to his email address and have a chat.
No i will not.
Someone is possibly expecting monetary value to take over  Kelly's  leftover.


respond to this  please:
https://overunity.com/18340/this-forum-is-turning-into-trash/msg553174/#msg553174 (https://overunity.com/18340/this-forum-is-turning-into-trash/msg553174/#msg553174)

Quote
5:
 is there any way to  download/ store information from particular topic and how to do it ?

Wesley
Title: Re: This forum is turning into trash
Post by: Paul-R on November 15, 2020, 12:38:46 AM

5:
 is there any way to  download/ store information from particular topic and how to do it ?

Wesley
Back in the days of DOS, one would have written a batch file which would do something along the lines of this: Go to the thread/topic and for x  = 1 to [last page], save page x. Then concatenate page 1 to page [last page]. Of course, the board's maker, Simple Machines, may have done this routine already.

Title: Re: This forum is turning into trash
Post by: Floor on November 15, 2020, 01:54:45 AM
Quote from wesley

6. Let's assume that FE is released  by me or my partner today.
  Should I care what will happen to  the world of human animals after they  multiply due to easiness of life and destroy   
  world ability to support food supply for overpopulated idiots?
end of Quote

The sun and the rain allready offer us this choice.
That choice is not in my or your hands.

Humanity can and may do this even without free energy. 
If humanity does this it would not be your fault.

Quote from wesley
question :
what is your personal value level at..
is it lesser  in value than that uneducated in electronics architect  Tariel Kapanadze  who didn't  even graduate  college ?
How do you think  you would  describe yourself  and your potential ?
Should  you be disappointed with crowd around you?
or should crowd around you reject you for low performance?
what makes you valuable to yourself ?
end of Quote

We were born with a profound valuing of self. 
                                 This is the light in every child's eyes.

The ways of our fellow man, has indoctrinated us into the the belief
that our value is not inherent, but rather that it must be earned.....

I asked a similar question/s here at O.U. forum

Quote from LankaIV (as I recall it, he wrote)
                 Change always comes with conflict.
end of Quote

To be in disappointment is arrogance.  I / we all sometimes suffer it.

 Peace be with you
  floor
Title: Re: This forum is turning into trash
Post by: Bertoa on November 16, 2020, 12:38:21 PM
If you have nothing to build, nothing clearly defined on your bench or in your mind that you can show, why are you here?
This is the question that started this topic more than a year ago.
I am here because of lancaiv, he is my hero. Thanks for all you shared over the years (also at the German OU forum).
Yes, I am curious and that is driving my research and practical projects. My machines have achieved 30 microwatt energy consumption and I am on the way to nanowatts. I am satisfied with the extreme efficiency of this machines running on some solar energy (free not stolen!) and supercap storage. One machine is running for over a year now. When I enter my lab seven machines are non-stop running at the windowsill. The longer they run the more they become an entity, a work of art.
It is hard to say what the added value is of this forum. I follow a couple of contributors and themes, thats all.
Title: Re: This forum is turning into trash
Post by: stivep on November 16, 2020, 02:04:34 PM
I am at this forum for 13 years now.
A regular visitor.
The response was very poor.
So, why sharing?
good education comes from need of understanding things on this forum,so you read,watch, analyze, and than you know more.
Value of  my lab equipment was millions when new.
I have learned how to  buy it very cheap , sale some of it for  a lot of money and still be cheaper than  others.
I used this money to buy more  and I gained  knowledge and value that cost me at the end
LESS than  ZERO.
So yes in economy there is  overunity ..It exists.
_________________________
But what is left from all of it is knowledge how to turn around and make better life
for yourself even if you never  saw FE or made one.
______________
The skills and ideas comes from this forum for many of you..
for me it was both..
Knowledge I previously had
+
knowledge I gained
+ money spend on equipment
= money  gained
= good life and 2 labs and satisfaction
____________________________________
so what is your gain if you do the same?
-you'll have plenty of tools to  perform work for others ,
-or small production
-incredible knowledge of that what  may make your life better or much better.
- new ideas or patents
- feeling  that  others around you differ so much  that you now feel like having a value they don't have
  and I say it again :
to make  your life better or much better or just incredibly better.
or to make it easier ..like me here now.
Don't need  much and don't need to work to much..
As I accumulated enough now.
_____________________
 - the goal is to work 5 minutes to make more than others who work 10 hours per day..
   and thanks to this forum  few years from now you may be able to  do so even if you never made FE.

I did make  both..

Wesley

 
Title: Re: This forum is turning into trash
Post by: lancaIV on November 16, 2020, 06:57:10 PM
    By which : spirit ,Wesley ?
How many years back ? overunity.com changed the provider/server,all forum information/communication from this period anymore get-able !Probably with searchmachine available ~ archive.org function use

You wrote,several time back,that You,as US-americam got equipment - new in million US$ price level-- used and to the tenth/hundreth part of the commercial price from an estatal institution !
US-american,selling to none-US citizen not allowed ! A. protection b.discrimination !

As member here,with or without a virtual globe in mind !?Solution for actually 8 Bio.,4 Bio.,1 Bio.,100 000 ,10 000,100,10 humans/habitants ,only for each individual ' ME ' !?

Bezos,Gates,Buffet : they ( we can include the next thousand billionaers worldwide ) are not rich enough for ' wealth to all' !

Change will be when rich feel surplus-richdom and help poors with sur-plus-poorness !
Not demand change ,only a win:win feel and to see that this is real,not utopical !

Often our own behaviour let us become ' undefined' rich or ' undefined' poor !
Where - benchmark begins which level !?
Many humans die each day by ' crime',physical energy source non-related !
Is the a couple divorce caused by no FE availability ?
War between countries cause energy ,no-FE owner-ship?

At first global FREE MIND ( parliamentary TAKEN FOR GRANTED ) or FREE ENERGY !?

Sincerely
Title: Re: This forum is turning into trash
Post by: stivep on November 16, 2020, 10:27:09 PM
Wesley ?
You wrote,several time back,that
You,as US-americam got equipment - new in million US$ price level-- used and to the tenth/hundredth part of the commercial price from an estatal institution !
US-american,selling to none-US citizen not allowed ! A. protection b.discrimination !
You need to understand American system.
We are country of laws.
The quality of equipment is   making it often valuable after 30 years in service.
We are oversaturated  with everything.
There is not enough buyers for used equipment.
Institution buys equipment for given experiment or study and they can sale it after that.
The money they lost in  sale they recover  in taxes so they don't care much for how much it sales.
For USA important is that this organization buys again newer and better.
The manufacturer  made money along with distributor and everyone pays taxes.
Secondary owner/buyer  pays taxes and have use for it.
It  doesn't matter how much you pay for it and  how much you sale it for.
So  million dollars in value equipment (when it was purchased,) - can be sold for few dollars and than resold for much more
as long as you pay tax from it.

Wesley ?
selling to none-US citizen not allowed ! A. protection b.discrimination !
No my friend.
This is the privilege  of us  The Americans.
We pay our  American taxes, not you and we have rights to benefit from our American system.
You don't belong to my American family
Why should I support your  children and your wife and your lover?
Ask Your German government  why they don't support us Americans...the same way..
______________________________________


If there is any restriction on resale or sale limiting it  to :
 -"sold to USA citizen only" , than you must obey it.
Most of buyers (if there is any buyer) keep it for  many years , so do I.
If I resale  equipment for whatever it can be sold for, and I use this money to purchase  another  equipment I pay not tax, other than sales tax.
But my net gain can be many times more,
so even after  I pay the tax  I'll still have plenty of money to buy more of the equipment
I can not stop buying  because  tax is paid from profit  if there is any.
Our system in USA  makes homeowners to buy more and more houses just to avoid  any gain,
we simply can not stop buying..
If institution organization or business had spend more money that they made in that given tax period
- they not only don't pay tax but they may claim  compensation of their losses.
Trump didn't pay any tax for around 20 years and it was legal.
US government  got:
-personal tax from Trump and his employees, 
-sales tax from  buyers of goods or services from Trump business.
-every of his clients spend money  in Trump hotels, restaurants and  City of New York.
- taxi, hear dresser, subway system,  grocery, gas, electrical service.. all of it pays tax..
  and all of this is paid by Trump guests.
Wesley

Wesley
Title: Re: This forum is turning into trash
Post by: lancaIV on November 16, 2020, 11:34:33 PM
You pay everywhere tax,not only in the US ! ::)

About what you write is economically called ' amortization'
you can reduce your tax to pay by given investment quote !
A.linear b.progressive
Whenin the first year you have 100 worth real estate worth in the books,this object after 20 years is maximal 25% book-value- progressive amortization worth !
Important the book-value for the finance institution : max. 48% from the 25% liquid market worth !

But the 'Americans' have seemingly ,if not to be related with Economics ( trusts administration level/ universities ),not the knowledge about the counter-side effect from this behaviour,if they think this would ' give a gain/profit' !

These people have to give their proveable argument against Walras-Pareto-v.Weizsaecker tax/capital teorem !
The best examples for this theorem : the 1987-1989 and 2007/8 US and elsewhere real estate market crash !

In Europe as study-object for he End-80 crash : Rodamco-Rolinco-Robecco  for the eal estate - bonds market - share market relationship

Probably in a free market this US-price 1.000.000 US$ - new ware- is  in maximum 100.000 US$ new equipment worth !
100.000 - 50% in 5 years ( 10% p.a.) = 50.000 ,after 10 years 0 book-value !
By special condition
( german : Sonder-Abschreibung,the total G.D.R. was 50% investment zone + 23% extra estate donation  ::) ) : 50% first year = -90% nihilation 5.th year =
1.000.000. new US price ~ 100.000 free market = 10.000 after 5.th year used after

   Buch-Wert = book-value  amortizaton                 A(bschrebung)f(uer)A(bnutzung) ,AfA
 = 1% over-valued market price ,I think not by hard cash dol(l)ars but by credit-bonds( very low covered ) financed


         Real market liquidity recoverable material worth !


   
You know that the scratch/surplus/second hands military  market buys and sells in Kg,you do ?
How much weights this ' 1.000.000 ' ware new,and how much used ?

We can visit each kind of auctions ,personally : tribunal as selling place or by net : ebay or industrial auction house

total laboratory equipment,total companies ready for migration ,used ships/planes from leasing-funds
     
         Companies book-value in function     -97% = company professional liquidation worth ,experienced



Sincerely
Title: Re: This forum is turning into trash
Post by: stivep on November 17, 2020, 12:07:48 AM
You know that the scratch/surplus/second hands military  market buys and sells in Kg,you do ?
How much weights this ' 1.000.000 ' ware new,and how much used ?
Sincerely
Simple answer:
Everything depends from the market.
-------------------------------------------------
e.g
equipment was purchased for  1 million dollars when new.
Organization made income  of 10 million dollars and switched to another experiment.
They sold  equipment for 200 dollars as there was no buyers.
Organization  lost 1 million -200  dollars.
Organization may have a rights to recover in tax money 1 million - 200 dollars.
Organization  must spend  left over 9 millions +200 dollars on  anything  just to  make balance =0
they can buy equipment , pay vacation to employees in luxury Island.. build another lab.. and spend in restaurants, hotels,
Buy cars, spend on toilet paper.


The new buyer  payed $200 and than  he resold  pieces of this equipment  or just its parts for 150 thousands dollars .
But he must pay  sales tax. 8.875% from 200 dollars purchase price.
Buyer acting now as resaler must collect for our government  8.875%  tax from 150 thousand dollars from  the buyer who bought from him.
and than he must send this collected tax money to government.

Now he has a choice to  pay tax from  net income or buy equipment for  150 thousands - 200 dollars + shipping and  handling.
From now on - he can not stop buying or he will be paying tax from net income.
He is in trap like all of us the Americans.
We can't stop buying.
Our wealth is growing and we pay no taxes .
It is not important how wealthy is the company or organization or entity
if at the end of tax period  balance of income vs  expenses is ZERO
- we pay no taxes.
And if the owner doesn't pay himself salary than he may  qualify for unemployment benefits or for government social  program.
At the same time his employees can earn $1000 per week.
_________________________________________

It is not important to my wallet if economy laws are being fallowed or not.
All that is important to me  today, is my own life and my own money .
This is America
Wesley




 
Title: Re: This forum is turning into trash
Post by: lancaIV on November 17, 2020, 12:26:43 AM
He/You/America(US) can not stop to ' buy'
= can not stop to blow in this air-economy bubble system !

I hope for the US,that your description is not the real day-by-day administrative process,this has nothing to do with common and controlled/organized finance system healthy growth and development !

And Wesley,I never reed about such a ' stupid systematic buying and selling process' in the US !And I read much !
As great market clearly since 1987 in spot ! Estate auctions : 1/2 Mio confiscated yachts for 20 000 $ ( 1987 ! ) ;)
Tulpen-/Tulipa-/tulip- speculation x snowball principle

How much 'air' is in the U.S.-bonds-market ' invested' ?



In God I can trust,in such an economy - low survival chance-  never !

Good economic buy wishing
and bye-bye
Title: Re: This forum is turning into trash
Post by: stivep on November 17, 2020, 12:39:07 AM
god doesn't exist  by  rules of modern science
or
god is not recognized  by modern science
for science :
We are just animals belonging to group of mammals.
______________________________
For physicist - There is no air in stock market, and I don't care if it collapses
Smart people don't keep value in money..
Smart people don't keep value in banks..
They always gain no matter what..

Wesley
Title: Re: This forum is turning into trash
Post by: lancaIV on November 17, 2020, 12:46:42 AM
Geistes-Wissenschaften ~ Gott-Wissenschaften      klerus : Geistliche  Rabbi:Geistlicher
Gott ~ Wesen,classical Format,not energy and not mass,das Sein,the BE(ing) ,der Schein(not nota,but  Heiligen-S.)

I am flexible :  not God/Gott but god-LINGUA/SPRACHE/SPEAK       
                        Not LINGUA externa,the LINGUA INTERNA,the VOICE,
                         the inner-/inside- parl(i)ament       
                        in-timus  : preisen/pray  : 'outing,patenting,publishing, S-ICH oeffnen : ex-timus


There are some in the US dancing around the 'Golden Calf' and pray(s)ing : to see as ' endless buying' .
EL,Elohim,Yahwe ~ chaotic system or systematic chaos like in all other religions ,Dis-/Order

Day-by-day-problem : what for one is systematic order is for another - by his view - chaotic order,vice-versa !

I saw ,some minutes before ( today,Thuesday,11:00 POR-time) TV reclam, Cartao Universo ( Credit card) TAEG (~ credit tax quote)
                                                                 
                                                                                15,3% !
Zero savings tax,negative tax( tax paying for financial deposits) economy

          100% divided 15,3%  = ?       How far/near from published EZB- 'virtual pseudo-'money' leverage factor :
                                           
                                                  8x ( factor eight )     


                           7/8 uncovered by theory,     - 97% practical 'Masse-Konkurs/Liquidations-Quote,Auctions
                           97% from 100% economy Heloten tax : from Pareto-Minimum ~ 3.333 % (three thousand .... )



                            LOGOS /LOGICs

Hellenismus 'Format' + arithmetics : set theory : Informatik :  virtuous/virtual creativity

  DE IO      DE X                                 X = { 0 }  X= {  }  X = ]  [  X =  ?  X = !     Deca- log(os)

A market collapse does probably not bother you : but probably then 100 Mio disemployment americans walking/driving through America,in search for their ' New Paradise'
Paradise ~ Garden/Yard = a new place,if needed by : an-archy  yours= mine

Your house,your garden ,your wife,your daughter,your body,your technical equipment : in owner-change,enforced


L.A. riot in the 80' ! Las Americas riot,not impossible ! Manhattan-Harlem 70' in great(reality) + Mad Max ( fiction)

But : blowing in the wind ( not in bubble)

Good night and Shalom
Title: Re: This forum is turning into trash
Post by: lancaIV on November 17, 2020, 01:03:57 PM
Good morning,Wesley ! Are you well ?
Related the -my last poste : www.ntv.de (http://www.ntv.de) US-Wahl-Liveticker ,Monday,23:33 (11.33 p.m)
" Bestaetigung von Trumps FED-Kandidatin wackelt" : Judy Shelton

Target : ' Back to the Gold-Standart'

One Dems ( minority/majority view ?) political point of view :
aspiration-robbering extreme and revolutionary/re-actionary
With Gold-/or Silver-Standart fixing this ' financial leverage social game ' would be over ! Collaps !

  No more dance ! 

Or : youtube      german l'yrics              INVISIBLE LIMITS ' Devil dance'

About US economy and RCEP-Contract-system entree : not with ' Golden Calf' economy condition !
Super-Vulcano Yellowstone,Hyper-Vulcano US-FED ( and in E.U. : EZB )

' god does not exist ' IT and no ' he,she' disput ?
I became in the 80' K.I-fan,it was an article about 'synthetic life,'something with an result in german Science the 'Eigen-Dimension' and Dyn-aste/-amics related !
We can become extremiest :
Oxford Uni Professor :   chance/risc quote,by physical arguments,that WE DO NOT EXIST     8)

 SCHMERZ,welch ent- :-X aeh ::) ab- artige EINBILDUNG,SIMULANTEN ALLER WELT MENNEKEN PIS EUCH ! ;D


Nicht nur ' der Deibel' steckt im Detail ! Deiflischer Gott,kaum zu erfassen !
Hier spricht der telefonische GOTT:Seelsorgesprechstunde"-Anrufbeantworter :

' Nit da !'  :o Piep in den Perioden-Ton !Aeh,Privat-Patient oder kuemmerlicher Kredit-Glaeubiger ?
Schoene gute Nacht noch !
Erhelle eS ICH "
Darauffolgend : 5 Sekunden Perioden-Ton .Tooooooooooooooooooooooooon.             

                                                                           ::)
Mhhh,ups,habe vergessen :P zu Piepen !

Verdammt :( ,Ich krieg' die Tage ! :-\


Ainda um bom dia

Adeus

I like to dance ! Safety Dance ! With/out hat !
The WHITE HOUSE important ? Translates : CASA BRANCA  or CASA BLANCA
Title: Re: This forum is turning into trash
Post by: stivep on November 17, 2020, 02:24:46 PM
I like to dance ! Safety Dance ! With/out hat !
Dear lancaIV.
I have problem to understand you.
Germans like ordung .
I like clear organized  information.
Till now I was responding to just pieces of your long text.
 90% of your  text  is to enigmatic and is bypassed by me.
Unfortunately and mostly, I don't have time to analyze   all possible meaning.
You are elite member and I respect you, but I have 20 minutes in the morning  and
30 minutes evening rime to write  here.
____________________
Please
First Method :
1.write in German.
2.Translate it  into English
3.correct text after  it was translated.
4.keep logical order and continuity of  your text
__________________
Second Method:
write only in German, and post here.
I will understand it.
Rest of the  people will probably  not understand you,at all.
Wesley
Title: Re: This forum is turning into trash
Post by: lancaIV on November 17, 2020, 02:49:59 PM
You are absolutely right,'Germans like ordung', BUT GERMANISTS : ORDNUNG
'orden' is more technical ' earthen' or by wishbone,to pile

'Orden',f.e.O.T. for Ordo Teutonico later Deutsch-Ritter,,the german cruisader institution,+-11./12. century,today Johanniter-/Malteser Estate and BR Deutschland

You are not I,
google translator actually is not developped to synthezise exactly 1:1 the original meaning,independent user and languages translation !

You write : ' god does not exist' ,this also your 100% statement ?
'god' or 'El' in your own + life experience +  description,neutralize foreign science,deistic-saeculary !

Your position : over - face to face - under

No 'god=order' and ' counter-god = order' : Goetterspiele,god(s) games



K.I. /A.I. is 100x in minimum faster/stronger than I am !

Ki- or Kybernetik - future program ( Norbert Wiener + Goettinger School )
Technical and social
Crypta - grupta - gruft   : writing in chiffren,kryptisch

You do/not understand and do/ not feel :   ( does ' feel/-s' exist ? MIT-/GeFUEHL,COM-/SENTI-MENTO )
     Schadenfreude !        Schadentrauer ?

 I visionalize: car,automobil synthetic image
The chance/risc ratio to reach the IDENTICAL image,co-incidence ?

Your imagination : !?
Model,form,1-/2-/3-/4-auto-drive,wheels color, .......
Contexte,relationship ?
production,use,accident,scratch,market price/worth,environment,.....
Positive for me/for all the natureNegative for me/for all the nature

You,in the U.N.-plenum,in our world ,often I
Turning to trash : discovering ' trash' value !

Cyber 'n  et(h)ics             cybernetics
How many papers and ink writer  do you need to give written a point his scientifical value  ?

                                               .





Do you see IT ! The point ,above ? Quasi invisible,but it exists !



Good that googles - automatic translator- has not the possibility to synthezise all the represented texte with texture ::
the society made me such " schluepfrig " by ' hidden erotics'

God would become  :-[ ,wet slips,wanting to come down and to 'dance with all that Schlampen'

But : there is only the one-way-ticket-path
Bonmot :        Agitator,loud calling :"Wollt Ihr das Vierte Reich ?"
                                      The mop :            NEIN
                                                             " Wollt Ihr den totalen Krieg ?"
                                      The mop :            NEIN
                       Agitator,desperate  : " Was wollt Ihr denn ?"
                                        The mop : Schlampen Schlampen - DAS EWIGE  :-* M&F SCHLAMPEN-REICH

                      Agitator,silent,( thinking : "A...loecher)went away and nobody have more seen or heared about him                                                                           this " schwulen-gay Sau " ;D

                                                     maoam ,macht Kinder froh,bescheuerte Nicht-Kinder ebenso                                                                                                      Denn ALLE HABEN maoam ZU LIEBEN

                                                      Manolo Cantus : o imperfeito categorico  ::) Aeh,desculpe-me imperativo ;)
Title: Re: This forum is turning into trash
Post by: stivep on November 17, 2020, 09:45:23 PM
No my dear friend I disagree.
It is better  for you to write in German if you don't want to use translator .
Your post is totally disorganized to the English  speaker.
I can not make any sense out of  your writing.
_______________________________
Or use another  form of translator like  - "Compare translator."
You will be given 3 choices of text and you can use any form of translation out of 3.
Or you can copy/ paste  part of one choice  with another to make it closest to  that what you wanted to say.
================================

Nein, mein lieber Freund, ich bin anderer Meinung.
Es ist besser für Sie, auf Deutsch zu schreiben, wenn Sie keinen Übersetzer verwenden möchten.
Ihr Beitrag ist für den englischen Sprecher völlig unorganisiert. Ich kann aus Ihrem Schreiben keinen Sinn machen.
Sie können auch eine andere Form des Übersetzers verwenden, z. B. \"Übersetzer vergleichen\".
Sie haben 3 Textoptionen zur Auswahl und können eine beliebige Form der Übersetzung von 3 verwenden.
Oder Sie können einen Teil einer Auswahl mit einer anderen kopieren / einfügen, um ihn dem näher zu bringen, was Sie sagen wollten

Wesley





 
Title: Re: This forum is turning into trash
Post by: lancaIV on November 17, 2020, 10:49:17 PM
Dialektik,Dialektischer Materialismus       dis-/agree ?!

Faith Popcorn : Brainstorming                   sampling

Nice tools !


Organizing thinks and processes is not hard !



In simple SPO to write for basic scholars convenient !
Something harder to invest in mosaic fragment/-s or puzzle pieces whose only in complete sample gives the right picture and visio !
Examples :

Why do you write I great and not i as small letter/litera ?
You,you,YOU(Ofra Haza)
When you shall write all letters great,only the first ,Eigen-name/-s ?
You use the british anglo-saxonic language,included in this speak is 

                                         the royal society class barrier included :

                      DUX  ducere DUKE,the DUKE OF DUKES= KING               ROYAUME UNIS

Litera: written and spoken left side : over L'Eire-land Columban/Patrick : latinum   
   
                                                right side : from Danmark Angeln and their south the Saxonians
                                               Sussax,Essax :  Angle-Sax = german Dialect  in french Anglais,port.Ingles


From WE,absolute MON-ARCH(-Y) to constitutional MON-ARCH(-Y) :


Ober-House : HOUSE OF LORDS/PEERS  HERRENHAUS  " ZEIT "-less    IMPERIAL NONFINIS

Unter-House : HOUSE of Commons           Buerger-Haus     TEMPORARY

20 minutes per day is Unter-Haus level !

Why such hurry,when you are such well established,like you have marked !

And less Roy-alismus,more LOY-faith !

Some moments in silence wishing


A good night and shalom
Title: Re: This forum is turning into trash
Post by: AlienGrey on November 18, 2020, 01:19:05 AM
Solid state devices running on trash, yeah right.

Some time ago I concocted this little device it uses 4 opto's and 4 SCR's (not triacs).

I have built it it around a PCB so as to make it easy to convert to 240volt or 110 later on

it only runs on AC and makes good use of whats cumming in as it's output spears to be greater than its input.

The 2 black things that look like battery's are infact 220ufd 450volt Elect caps, they might be a problem at higher voltages!!,  the output lamp looks a bit dim as it's 12v 10Watts but it has a lot of voltage drop through the SCR's.

Yeah clever aim it  ::) ::) ::) ::) :o
Title: Re: This forum is turning into trash
Post by: lancaIV on November 18, 2020, 12:05:45 PM
Solid state devices running on trash, yeah right.

Some time ago I concocted this little device it uses 4 opto's and 4 SCR's (not triacs).

I have built it it around a PCB so as to make it easy to convert to 240volt or 110 later on

it only runs on AC and makes good use of whats cumming in as it's output spears to be greater than its input.

The 2 black things that look like battery's are infact 220ufd 450volt Elect caps, they might be a problem at higher voltages!!,  the output lamp looks a bit dim as it's 12v 10Watts but it has a lot of voltage drop through the SCR's.

Yeah clever aim it  ::) ::) ::) ::) :o
Good Morning,Wesley ! I hope you are well !

Let us read member ( incognito)  AlienGrey his post/e :

              CLEVER but also : & SMART ( clever&smart a comics-magazin/-e,booklet !)

             smart ~ polite,diplomatic,attended,secure( 100% negative to 100% positive)



which language ? English,a german ( but not Deutsch ) language !   
                              Treat : Technics,e-/specially EE related


How many members here in the forum understand this 'EE-language' ?
Each 'EE-piece' as unikat,in common application,in new possibilities testing new concept/-s !?

'opto,SCR,triacsPCB,Elec caps,.......' for newbies ' terra incognita,mysterium',where/how to get entrance into your or AlienGrey EE-world ?!

Electronic dictionary,EE-Tutor( Professor,teacher,EE-animateur) ?
Trustable: by Aval,Approbation,Attest ?

The EE-pieces are from production lines : 100%,90%,80% compareable qualities ! Monday,Friday-production problem !
EE as hobby,'used machine parts' ~scratch/trash for new experiments ! Functionality in comparison to new one/-s ?

Be smart enough to begin as ' virgin newby' : first reaction = Heeeeeeeeeeee ?  ??? WHAT'S THAT ?

AlienGrey speak : Aha(remark !) a foreigner ! INSIDER  :o ,ILLUMINATI- 8) -member ?
Newby-stage,junior-stage,medior-stage,senior-stage language and conversation level indication ,please  !

FET = ?  google : ?  F.E.T. ?   google : ?  F.E.T.,electronics  google : !

MOSFET ?
How much time do I ,he,she,it,...  need/-s to be as same ' stupid intelligent/intelligence stupid' to write such a for newbies not understandable post/-e ?

LOY : ALL MEN ARE SAME
ROY : WE,THE FAMILY           
      and the people
In lingua veritas est

' Do you understand it ?'

  Translates ,common :      Host mi ?       verstehst ?   Capice ? Klingelt es ?
                                                     German,different folks dialect' language !
              Mundsprache or Mundart or Mund-Art  Sprach-Kunst Sprech-Kunst
                                The Art o Silence                  The Art of Noise
   
       DOMINUS  DOMUS DOMINIUM EMPIRION IMPERION : mundo in ?-/cognito ? DOMUS ,german HERR(-HAUS)
                      HERR(-en)-WI(T)Z ever allowed         

      witchig-bitchig( this but only in the Herren-Salo(o)n ,the Bibliotheque,Smoke-room )

         We are all well ' an-STA(e)ND-ig,    with Ober-Haltung and Unter-Haltung     
         STANDART,STANDARTE~Flag(g) : STAND ~ social class Ober-/        Mittel/Unter(-Schicht)

          Flagg-ship cruisading over Time and Space and Minds,Kreu(t)z-Fahrt       
          Journey- Typus : Irish = l'Eire-ish = L'Yra-ish Cruise = Wheel,Velo,Kreis       
                          Or : Eherne/Eiserne Kreu(t)z ,~ Ordo Teutonico symbol,~ maths : xy-diagram(m),  z ?

                                                                        LYRIK


No,google and other ' automats,'  are  for 'dialectic translation' not ready !

Probably in Future,by neuronal - self deciding = unfixed,programming !
Equipped with ' hard core ? soft core ?' synthetic feeling function !


Sincerely
Title: Re: This forum is turning into trash
Post by: AlienGrey on November 18, 2020, 01:23:34 PM
Good Morning,Wesley ! I hope you are well !

Let us read member ( incognito)  AlienGrey his post/e :

              CLEVER but also : & SMART ( clever&smart a comics-magazin/-e,booklet !)

             smart ~ polite,diplomatic,attended,secure( 100% negative to 100% positive)



which language ? English,a german ( but not Deutsch ) language !   
                              Treat : Technics,e-/specially EE related


How many members here in the forum understand this 'EE-language' ?
Each 'EE-piece' as unikat,in common application,in new possibilities testing new concept/-s !?

'opto,SCR,triacsPCB,Elec caps,.......' for newbies ' terra incognita,mysterium',where/how to get entrance into your or AlienGrey EE-world ?!

Electronic dictionary,EE-Tutor( Professor,teacher,EE-animateur) ?
Trustable: by Aval,Approbation,Attest ?

The EE-pieces are from production lines : 100%,90%,80% compareable qualities ! Monday,Friday-production problem !
EE as hobby,'used machine parts' ~scratch/trash for new experiments ! Functionality in comparison to new one/-s ?

Be smart enough to begin as ' virgin newby' : frst reaction = Heeeeeeeeeeee ?  ??? WHAT'S THAT ?

AlienGrey speak : Aha(remark !) a foreigner ! INSIDER  :o ,ILLUMINATI- 8) -member ?
Newby-stage,junior-stage,medior-stage,senior-stage language and conversation level indication ,please  !

FET = ?  google : ?  F.E.T. ?   google : ?  F.E.T.,electronics  google : !

MOSFET ?
How much time do I ,he,she,it,...  need/-s to be as same ' stupid intelligent/intelligence stupid' to write such a for newbies not understandable post/-e ?

LOY : ALL MEN ARE SAME
ROY : WE,THE FAMILY           
      and the people
In lingua veritas est

' Do you understand it ?'

  Translates ,common :      Host mi ?       verstehst ?   Capice ? Klingelt es ?
                                                     German,different folks dialect' language !
              Mundsprache or Mundart or Mund-Art  Sprach-Kunst Sprech-Kunst
                                The Art o Silence                  The Art of Noise
   
       DOMINUS  DOMUS DOMINIUM EMPIRION IMPERION : mundo in ?-/cognito ? DOMUS ,german HERR(-HAUS)
                      HERR(-en)-WI(T)Z ever allowed         

      witchig-bitchig( this but only in the Herren-Salo(o)n ,the Bibliotheque,Smoke-room )

         We are all well ' an-STA(e)ND-ig,    with Ober-Haltung and Unter-Haltung

No,google and other ' automats,'  are  for 'dialectic translation' not ready !

Probably in Future,by neuronal - self deciding = unfixed,programming !
Equipped with ' hard core ? soft core ?' synthetic feeling function !


Sincerely
With authority to understand has two meanings only one is legal, it means to get shit or sissed on because the one being asked is the under dog
and they are not being asked to comprehend some thing.

Shalom you recently quoted and 'GOD' do you know who god is or was or what it means to some?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qr2vT5ySLA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ezce-5rujYE

stop picking flies and dissecting them not every thing is what it seams.


Title: Re: This forum is turning into trash
Post by: lancaIV on November 18, 2020, 01:58:34 PM
Hal(l)o,AlienGrey !
But I see : 'I got YOU-in-Yours !
No,I do not know what influenced each one in his meaning/thinking/beli(e)ving about a. no / b. GOD/God/god !

Freedom :
Feel (g)loved what makes You be (g)love !
By common social view,by maximal view and feel !


But what I show is -what Wesley also wrote about - applied-notice-able S&R&D dis-order !

And to discuss about it we are here ' turning into trash' : overunity.com 200?-2020 in the right place and by the right time,related FE : Green Deal and Paris Contract !

200?-2020: come and go from FE animated participants,viewer,member,member(R.I.P.)member(exiled)and
member(moderated) by moderation/administration
By acceptable reazon,by specfic notion !

Moderation,exiling has as consequence: audience splitting !
Members decides for self-exiling,unsatisfied with adminitrative decision !

What happend with 'peswiki'
                                    ' keelynet'
                                    'zpenergy',rexresearch existence vacancy !

What will happen if overunity.com will .... ? Administrator change,website-'ownership'-change,.......

For some not a problem !? OUresearch,energeticforum,.......!?

FE-jumper,FE-R&D-Trolls ?
To take somebody serious is to give advices about - Rating and +Rating scale ! Chances/riscs,alternatives !


Working with H2 : laboratory safetyness rules and order
EE: electricity kills ( eventually !) Warnings !


overunity.com only for time-lost entertainment or as ' FE laboratory show-room' ?!

And really,AlienGrey, your poste content is EE-student level ! To be student :

                                                                  ELITE !


20 years before,without on-line delivery,next EE-shop,in G7,in the '3rd.World' ?

What for you is easy,for the reader possibly difficult -by skills- to reach,physically to get !

Skills + work tools + for results analyzing -meters ! Laborare = work-en/werk-en LABORATORY
Skills : from 8.Bio habitants : own language an-alphabets/calculation ?
                     
                                                     body/mind deficient/-s
                                                    sin organs deficient/-s   natural-genetical/age related/accident
     
                                                    foreign language an-alphabet

                                                   1.-4. school class ?                                       

                                                  ' electric Physics' ( not sports meaning !) lessons ?
   
                                                    5.-9./10./12. class ?
                                                   working,military,studying ?
                                                    Study ,Technical school,technician

                                                                 Uni : Physics ?
                                                                EE ,Engineer

                                        100% to 0,.....? Per centage ? To understand Mr.AlienGrey ?

                                                             The chance,
that a automatic translator app/software gives 'the 1:1 right meaning, : Percentage between 0 and 100% ?

beside own language in use -              specific foreign language DICTIONARY I

                                                                   f.e. english-german

             own language in use -              own language common bandgap DICTIONARY II  !

                                                                  f.e. english- english  or german/Deutsch - german/Deutsch


Which dictionary,    HOW MANY DICTIONARIES  in 1 = COMPACT RIGHT ARTICULATION
are f.e. in Alphabets 'automatic translator' included ?

                                  Plus : KNIGGE and GOTHA  ? SOCIAL EDUCATION ,we are weared with NAMES
                         

                                   Day-by-day english to Physics english DICTIONARY ?

Change the SPEAK the MEN or change the MEN the SPEAK 8)   ( Instead change : chance ! ? )


WE DO NOT NEED TO SAY ANYTHING - BUT WE EVER SPEAK


For Wesley :  OBER-/UEBER -ORDNUNG  KARDINAL,cardinary         

                       UNTER             -ORDNUNG   ORDINAL,ordinary

 SPEAK : now for ' insider' Laut-/Bild-/Koerper-/Mimik-/Gestik-/Schrift-   SPRACHE

      SPEAK-SOUND-COLOR and HIGH-/DEEP- ness


              KING CLOTHES or PARIA CLOTHES,Paria in King clothes,King in Paria clothes

So : Synthetical SPEAK DICTIONARY = PHONETICS + written LYRICS,TEXTE
         HOW TO SPEAK,TO SPELL,TO WRITE,TO FEEL
         "  HOW TO GET : IMAGE " - know-how/method

        1000 Words/books/puzzle pieces/fragments  to 1 Image/Mosaic

          By IMAGINATION as Illusion,Fata Morgana,Self-Mind or refinded as Pro(to)Type for no/repeating "clo(w)ning "


         Synthetic SPEAK DITIONARY  = in PICTURE

         Synthetic SPEAK DICTIONARY : WARNING SYMBOLS,social (individuals) TABU

                                         

                                          HEAVEN17,formerly B.E.F., How Mens are

                               SOME MUSE,other amused,the lasts : not amused !
 :-[
'Open Mind'-responding ! Not offensive ! Teached by Life-Artists


Stay in Peace  ;)

Sincerely
p.s.: open given question

        open given mind
        open given answer

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Title: Re: This forum is turning into trash
Post by: stivep on November 18, 2020, 07:18:43 PM
Shalom you recently quoted and 'GOD' do you know who god is or was or what it means to some?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qr2vT5ySLA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qr2vT5ySLA)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ezce-5rujYE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ezce-5rujYE)
stop picking flies and dissecting them not every thing is what it seams.
The article from below is not analyzing:
-Cinderella,
-Santa Claus,
-The little Mermaid,
-Beauty and the Beast
any true or false  events of these characters   are not important here.
_____________________________
_____________________________


Thank you AlienGrey.
Opinion about people believes  and god was by me taken into a format of:
- scientific achievement of humanity as shaping their perception of God/gods.
_______________________
This what I write below has nothing  to do with someone's understanding  of God or any teaching  about god or any religion.
This what I write below is not presenting  or standing about my own understanding  of God or any teaching  about god or any religion

It is position of Modern Science ,

1  Modern Science excludes spiritual so called "science" or any meaning of spirituality.
2. Modern science may be interested with archeological  or historical  consequences of peoples action based on any  religion.

3. Modern Science rejected indirectly institution of god or meaning of god as not in line with scientific evidence.
4. For Science of Psychology any and every Religion is constructed in format :
    a-  hope or promising reward  in exchange for obeying some  sort  of rules.
   b-  punishment  for disobeying
   c - no prove of existence of   any form of god is provided.
   d- the only benefit that is physically observable and scientifically provable, is financial gain of  priests and/or other forms of clergy.
But  this particular human animal was perfectly well before he was  introduced to that particular  religion..

_________________________________
5. Proof.. is castrated  from  understanding of any God and everything  what is left is just believe.
6. most of religions interpretations and "proofs" is based on  quoting written evidence of  another interpreters from the far past. 
___________________________________
5. Modern Science has ZERO benefit from spiritualism and its dogmatism.
6. For modern science we are animals called humans and belonging to group of mammals.
_____________________________________
7. The two videos from above  are 100% of proof of lack of evidence :
   - taken into analysis of books, and verses of some another guy visual or "spiritual"  ideas or or "experience".
   - Modern Science can not accept  lack of logical continuity having unproven reality and future
   - Modern Science can not accept anything that restricts  human brain in flexibility and freedom of analysis.
   - For modern Science the only form of something that is not fully explained is that given current physical model that may change upon evidence.
____________________________________

I don't expect anyone to agree with me, nor the  Modern Science  is interested  with  your  opinion.
ZERO useful and practical  to humanity achievement was made/done by rules of spiritualism favoring any god.

__________________
Wesley
Title: Re: This forum is turning into trash
Post by: lancaIV on November 18, 2020, 08:05:06 PM
Well written !
You know probably that the most consewuent effect from the augustinae mongue Martin Luther were not his existence per se,not his clerus hirarchy provocating 95 thesis,
but the translation from the in latin written and readed bible  !

The faithfull audience,dreaming from a Paradise - soundmap in latin- for them not understandable -now this translated to understandable saxonic language let them become angry cause feeling cheated ?!Paying the yearly Tenth for what ?
              1618 - 1648 the 30 years period war


 
   Hueter/Guardian  positiv Gott Ober-Welt       negativ Satan Unter-Welt
 
                         History and Philosophy : full of translation errors ( applied meaning )

Next example : Islam ~ in my words ' Enthusiasmus,~ dedication ' ~  Monges in cluster

                           Wash rituals                                                 Exerzitien

                        Con-centration,meditation                            con-centration,meditation

By a real comparison all cristians whose lough about 'islam'-rituals are parallel laughing about their own church orthodox living members !


I respect your opinion/point of view like this from AlienGrey,Philosophy ,therein religion,is part from Science and life R&D,in european society culture Universities called

                                                                          Theology !  science-faculta representing


Clearly,some can define Sociology as Science branch only to be sub-other defines supra-positionized !

We can see this all brider : Psychologie and then unprofessional Para-/Pseudo - PSI

A little like the ' the earth/tellus is round,                                 no is flat'
                        evidence discussion !
Or : school medicine versus naturopath !


But it was you ,Wesley,who wrote that there is no 'God/god' ,why then should exist a ' Satan/Diabolo/Caetan' ?
In Roma ,Tribunal

                                  one side advocatus diaboliis               other side advocatus angeliis

I reed some days before that in jewish religion there is no 'negative/counterforce'  opposition to God/god
 and  this was in catholic religion defines as Diabol/Diabo is by jews their religion : an angel
                         

        Controverse,is it not ?  Dialektische Materialismus ! WIDERSPRUCH = Contradiction

Pacifism : no more armees,no more war ! Really ?
The young male 'adult' citizen obligation to serve in military ,for home-land defence
From 18 months to 12 to 6 to free participation decision ,only more professional,paid,soldiers !Armee members number diminuation !
More expensive for the Estate,what shall the young men do with this no more 6-12-18 months extra,free ?
But is the living in Teams/Corps not also part from education ,+ and - experience !? Peace-Troups ?

No God/god : proteste from childs to visit the God/god-less mess ,Sabbat/Sunday ?
Familiar an-archy ?

Changes brings ever conflicts : too muchh/too less freedom

Is the Arts all freedom allowed ?

President Macron,RFR : Oui !         Bishop from Roma,Catholic Church 'Pope'  : No !

Sincerely






                           
Title: Re: This forum is turning into trash
Post by: stivep on November 18, 2020, 08:31:51 PM
But it was you ,Wesley,who wrote that there is no 'God/god' ,why then should exist a ' Satan/Diabolo/Caetan' ?
I reed some days before that in Jewish religion there is no 'negative/counterforce'  opposition to God

I clearly stated  in my post that:
That  what I write here is not presenting  or standing about my own understanding  of God or any teaching  about god or any religion
It is position of Modern Science ,

I don't discuss
-Religion
-Cinderella,
-Santa Claus,
-The little Mermaid,
-Beauty and the Beast
any true or false  events of these characters   are not important here.

Wesley
Title: Re: This forum is turning into trash
Post by: lancaIV on November 18, 2020, 09:00:42 PM
Fine,because modern science = modern religion

Big Bang up to date trash ,for some treasure

A good night and shalom/salaam/peace/paz/Friede in clinical package
Sincerely
Title: Re: This forum is turning into trash
Post by: stivep on November 18, 2020, 09:23:36 PM
Fine,because modern science = modern religion

Big Bang up to date trash ,for some treasure

A good night and shalom/salaam/peace/paz/Friede in clinical package
Sincerely
Absolutely wrong  assumption.
Modern science gave you:
-computer and internet 
-vaccine
-a toilet and toilet paper.
and that is your treasure


Modern science is not modern religion
You can analyze reject or accept modern science without any sin or fear that some sort of God doesn't like it.
religion gives you nothing but fear and  hope.
___________________

Big Bang is  just  a model and will be replaced if needed without any repercussions to you.

repercussion: is any unintended consequence occurring some time after an event or action, especially an unwelcome one.
Title: Re: This forum is turning into trash
Post by: lancaIV on November 18, 2020, 10:21:56 PM
Your assumption :
the object receives info-data package free of emotions,injective
compared :

com,cum
scire= to know,wissen
scientia = science,Wissenschaft
comscientia = conscious= with,by MORAL RIGHT science
Religion their Alpha mega O in-/e-ducation building :

universitas,Collegium,LyceumUniversitaet,University,Hochschule,High school
Science is mental work = ' ora,Oratorium included studere,Laboratorium/U-/O-ffizien ' : mental dimension is humanities = religion
Universitas ~ partial Talmud ,
the oldest existent University Fes/Fez/Maroc

Wesley,you are listening some potentials from technical in minimum 100 years existent material use kinds

When is by you the definition ' modern' temporary defined ? 12.th century,13.14.15.16.17.18.19.20.th century
Faithless : God is a DJ 

                   yes ,probably,too

                   My GOD, conscience injected, is a 3D creative printer ,but not only     

                  Technical World = applied Religion
                  instead Religion alternatively term  in Germany/BRD: Ethik
                  ergo applied Ethics

                       FEAR ?
                New technology proliferation :
                The Buggles  Video killed the Radiostar
        or                            Video completes the Radiostar
                Visage          Fade to Grey
     
             Video presents Darkspace-Tabu : Trevor Horn = Producer Frankie goes to Hollywood SCANDAL
                                                                                                 and t.a.t.u.   SCANDAL II


          'absolutely wrong' : I accept from you a possible 'assumption wrong' ,each one who comes me with '       
                                                              absolutely/axiomatic'
                 
                                                             
                                  For 'Wesley &Co.' -absolutely-types the honory laudatio
                                                    Monty Python and the Holy Grail   
                                   
                                                                        TAUNTING                                                       
                                                                    french Castellan
       
              We are living 2020 p.C, not more yesterday,not more today,but inter-tomorrow-interstellar





                                      Modern Science and historical scientifical review :
           how was their last election vote from the 6 Mio. in european KZs liquidized  prisoners ?
           How much from DR KZ  prisoners has given their vote the ' absolute/total'-NSDAP ?
                       Politology(inkl.Demoscopy) ,Sociology = science= University fac(h)ulta

                                                            'modern' : no limits ?   
                                   Total Historical UP TO DATE Error search&research ?   

                                                                       Fact !?
Deutsche Juden,als juedische Deutsche  :-* DR als ihre geistige,terrestrische Heimat,                                               
                 
                                                  deshalb mehrheitlich NSDAP gewaehlt !                 
             (daneben Zentrumspartei,USPD,SPD,Kommunisten ,Splittergruppen)                             

               Keine Homogenitaet,DR-Durchnitt = Profil                                  Katholiken,Protestanten ?!

Nur ein kleiner Teil,die wache Intelligentia( Berufs-Ausuebungsverbot)warnte und emigrierte soweit es noch ging !
                                    U.a. Dr.Albert Einstein

                             Grand-parents/parents/brother/-s/sister/-s/sons and daughters                         
                                 Co-perpetrator/'Aristoteles bestia~predator'  or Co-victims ?     

                              Between 1933 and 2020 p.C.,global with typo NSDAP-kind thinking and poitics( open,hidden)                                                                               Nicht/Schuldig !?

Verteidigungs-Neutralitaet ? Dr.Richard von Weizsaecker(als Schueler oertlicher Hitlerjugend-Fuehrer),als junger Jurist,als Anwalt,'Strafverteidiger-Assistent',des Angeklagten am Nuerberger Tribunal fuer WW2-Kriegsverbrechen :                           
                                                 SS-Brigadefuehrer und Staatssekretaer
                                               Ernst von Weizsaecker,Vater des Dr.Richard

                       Befangenheit ? Sohn ? Deutscher ? Hitlerjugend-Fuehrer ? Studiumszeit : ethische Umfeld
                       Un-/Schuldig : IM SINNE der Anklage(-Punkte)  IM SINNE DER VERFASSUNG
                                                                      Allgemeiner Ethik ?


                          hyper-modern science : by 8 Bio. Units not 1,10, but 8 Bio. Presidents/FUEHRER

                                           Heil/Heal W.,YOURSELF  !
Denn : Nie Wieder ! Oder vielleicht doch ? Keine 'ABSOLUTE' Ahnung,aber starke Mutmaszung  ! Everywhere !

Deutsch = tedeschi = rauh,unzivilisiert,grenzenloser Einsatz ( bei Bedarf) : point of view Romanii : bello gallico
Beiszen auch waehrend des Bellens


Enough for today ,peace
Sincerely
Title: Re: This forum is turning into trash
Post by: stivep on November 19, 2020, 05:13:44 AM
Your assumption :
the object receives info-data package free of emotions,
That is correct  data and its receiver has no emotions.
Science doesn't recognize  emotions.
____________________
What is (by you)  the meaning  of word :' modern'/ temporary defined ?( edited)
modern      is relating to the present or recent times as opposed to the remote past.
temporary lasting for only a limited period of time; not permanent.
_____________________
what is the definition of:  ( edited)
ETHICS ?                FEAR ?
ETHICS? :  the branch of knowledge that deals with moral principles
                    ethics is related to behavioral activity of
human animal.
FEAR ?   : an unpleasant emotion caused by the belief .
Modern science doesn't recognize both of these words,

____________________
what is the definition of:  ( edited)
'absolutely wrong'
absolutely = totally
wrong=not correct or true.
Phrase "absolutely wrong" is made from these two words.=/~
~ evocative expression used to describe a chaotic situation in which things turn wrong
 
________________________
Modern Science and historical scientific review : ?
Science in a broad sense existed before the modern era and in many historical civilizations.
Modern science
is distinct in its approach and successful in its results, so it now defines what science is in the strictest sense of the term.

summary: Science doesn't have:
-feeling  (fear doesn't exist)
-morality-ethics
-sins
-punishment
Science is not a religion and has nothing common with religion .
________________________

Your explanation lancaIV is absolutely wrong
Your indicated understanding  of  science vs religion  is absolutely wrong

And you are not listening and not reacting to fundamental requirements of communication:

~90% of your text in English  is "unreadable" to the audience.
~10% can make  any sense to be interpreted.
Please write in  German only, and I will translate it to English if needed.
or use translator.
An automated translation will be likely in 80% correct with your thoughts.


Wesley
Title: Re: This forum is turning into trash
Post by: lancaIV on November 19, 2020, 10:14:10 AM
Guten Morgen,Wesley ! ich ersehe aus dem Geschriebenem,es geht Ihnen so gut wie sonst ,so unveraendert !

Meine systematische Position ist zu der Ihrigen eine Andere ! Weitlaeufiger !


Bin in eine von  'Moral und Ethik bestimmte Familie' hineingeboren worden und in eine demselben sich 'theoretisch' verpflichteten Gesellschaft !
                                     
                       Erbschuld ! In deutscher Sprache eine soziale Haftung !

             Mittraegerschaft,Mittaeterschaft,unabhaengig gewollt oder ungewollt !
     
            Ein Urteil,mit Bewaehrung !
            Fuer die Gesellschaft insgesamt,Ihrem Dasein !
       
          In einem Zeittribunal fuer Menschenrechte,worauf wuerden Sie,Wesley,fuer Ihre Person,,plaedieren ?
          Bei in Unschuld gewaschenem Verstand : Nicht/ oder Schuldig ? - als Vor-Mensch !
          Wieviel Toeten von 'Menschenhand'( Drone,chemische pharmakologische)Substanzen,....)erlauben Sie Sich !
         Wieviel Korruption der vorgegebenen Werte ersehen Sie Sich fuer erhaltenswert ?

     Obhut,Vormundschaft,Tutor :

        EE ist eine Geistes-Errungenschaft,mit weitreichender Dimension !
       Als neuronales Instrument !

      Gut fuer Unsereins,welcher als waches Glied der Gesellschaft mit jeglicher Art von Extremismus als

      Lebenserfahrung konfrontiert wurde !
     



      NE- als NEURO-TRANSMITTER ( Prioritaet : neben dem Freie Elektrizitaets Umformer )
   

    Von EE zu NE,Neuronale Energy
   
    NE als TUEROEFFNER !
     Nicht mehr fragen muessen,nicht mehr bitten : TUN !
    RU486 : Gegenpart ? 684UR : anstatt Abtreibung schwaengern

    Zell-Bildung und Bildungs-Impuls:    Pflanzenreich,Tierreich,bis hin den Menschen erreichend

     rexresearch : Dotto- DIAMAGNETIC ring: taking/  giving  ?     SPONTANEOUS GENERATION   Flashing
   
                            Lakhovsky MWO  Multiple Wave Oscillator
     For ' society cultivation,civilizing' Neuro-Genese


    Deutsche Sprache : Gedankenschwanger

   Den Kindern ein NE-Instrument zur Verfuegung stellen : Lebenserfahrungs-Lesegeraet
   NE als ' glaeserne Mensch'-MRI,aber auch als neuronaler Influenzer,Vakzine !
   Keine Tabu-Limitierung,keine Verfallsfristen,kein Attest 'unmuendig,deshalb nicht straffaehig'
    Curriculum Vitae- Transparenz,von der Geburt bis zum jeweiligem " - Jetzt !-Zeitpunkt"

   Forschung und Entwicklung ist dafuer schon im 'status quo' : Kombination und globale Proliferation,
    fuer den Translator es einfacher : Pro-life-ration heiszt Verteilung !
   
    Der Translator,welchen Sie,Wesley nutzen werden wird es Ihnen nicht ermoeglichen,die Bandbreite des

    Geschriebenen ( und Kleingedachten) wiedergeben zu koennen !
Mal sehen,so als zufaelliges Beispiel der Deutschen-Spieltrieb-Neurose,bezueglich Sprachwitz ,okay hier schon illuminitiert ,pardonne-moi- professionell ausgebildet ,:

www.ntv.de (http://www.ntv.de)  Artikel-Thema        Fuer Kinos ist die Pandemie wie ein Horrorfilm  ::)
                      Reaktionaer : Waaaaas,echt ? Nicht gespielt ? ( Lichtspiel-Haus = Kino,Cinema )



                       Wer braucht schon Kino ! Schon seit den 70' Eigenen Lichtspiel-Projektor ( mit Bruder A. gemeinsam)     
                      erworben Beilage : Spielfilm mit O.Hardy und S.Laurel ,gemeinhin bekannt als ' Dick &Doof'
                    [ so is 'er' ( bei verwandtschaftlichem Grade : Kleinschrift) gut beschrieben,bei rein aeusserlicher
                     eingebildeter intelligent-duennhaeutiger Betrachtung,mein Bro. A.]

                   WIR wissen es : subversiv sammna scho !


               Uebersetze Er,Wesley ,dieses ,Obige,nun mal schoen,in sinnierender Reinschrift !     
              Bitte Laut-malerisch,des Deutschen seiner Sprache Pflicht !



    Aber so ist die deutsche Sprache und deren Sprachfuehrer ,sybillisch ! EDEL,sich Zeit gebend,dabei transversiv !
   NE ist EVOLUTION,REVOLUTION und KONTERREVOLUTION

    Ein VERMAECHTNIS,fuer Gutglaeubige,aber Schlechthandler !
   Einige wuerden ES als tickende Zeitbombe betrachten,andere als
   Paradies-Tuerschluessel !
    Kinder lesen Ihre Eltern,diskutieren ueber diese ,beraten,urteilen,exekutieren(ohne/mit Bewaehrung)


    Alle innermenschlichen Archive durchlesen zu koennen ! Ein NE-Scanner,-Reader.
    NE-phone als Schwaengerer: Kindergaerten,Schulen,Altenheime,Krankenhaeuser


   Incendium: den Geburtsimpuls,die Zell-Teilung,schlechte oder gute Geschwulstbildung
   Wie incendiert man ? Phyto-neural ? Synthetische Anti-/Stress-Hormone
   Charles Darwin : Galapagos-Spatzen,Pazifik Clown-Fische : Geschlechtsumwandlung (un-/gewollt)



   Als Zeuge vor dem Zeitgericht : meine Aussage ueber Ihr Sein,ergebend : Schuldig !
   Urteil ? Keine absolute Ahnung.Aber Sippen-Haftung.Amerikanische,in diesem Fall.


   Kennen Sie das literarische Werk : Andorra ? Author Max Frisch

   In deutschem Unterricht : Text-/Sinn-/Gefuehlsanalyse-Schriftwerk,Teil des philologischen Lehrplans

    Sie,Wesley,sind einer von 'Gestern' ,nicht ein 'Morgen' ! 

   Absolut grenzenlos,das haben Wir Alle : im Blut ! Pervers grenzenlos,wenn es noetig ist !

Einen ganzen Kindergarten nicht Gedanken- sondern bio-zellnerisch 'schwaengern',ein Spass,gelle !


                             Flash-mop-Gesellschaft ,ohne 'Heiligen Vater' , Geist-NE-Empfaegnis !

Zuerst die Kinder schlechter Eltern,nach gegenseitiger Kinderberatung !
Kinder schwaengern Eltern,Grosz-Eltern !

Funny NE-games,bei fehlendem Abtreibungsrecht besonders heiter,oh pardonne-me : heikel !

Geht der Opa zum Urologen : Ist es ernst ? Unterleibsbeschwerden.
Arzt : Noeh,wird ein Maedchen,'Ernst' dafuer eher unpassend ! 'Maria' vielleicht ?

Soll der Opa froh sein ,dass es keine Drillinge werden !
Katholische Priester mit NE-Empfaengnis ? SCHLUSS mit der Schein-Heiligkeit !

Forschung : Corona-Viren aehnliche Stress-Pandemien : pro/contra biologische Geschlechtsumwandlung
                      Kalte Krieg Effekt !

                      Erklaeren Wir

                                                1000 Menschen- Jahre Cryo=Supra-Kaelte Krieg ! Invisible Enemy !

                        Ab Heute !  Symbol : klarerweise = das Seepferdchen

  Machen Sie es Sich gut,in Kombination mit schlichter Uebersetzung,so ohne Pretentions-und Intentions-Hintergrund  !

 Achtungsvoll
OCWL
p.s.: so sich in das 'gehobenere Deutsch' einzulesen eine persoenliche Empfehlung :
        Deutsche Stifter-Verband,BILDER DER WISSENSCHAFT

       Dabei geht es Einigen nicht nur 'stiften',sondern auch 'floeten'

      Kann Translator Sitten-Deutsch ,im Gesamtkontext,dem geistes-gesellschaftlichem Ziel ?

     
poste scriptum II :   

 # 106 und 108    das 'Pseudo-Geld(Geld Begriffsherkunft : dialektisch Goeld/Guld/Gold,NL: Guld-en            www.ntv.de (http://www.ntv.de) US-Wahl Liveticker 2020 ( p.C.) 7:06
            Ueber 'Geld'-Sicherheits-Garantie seit Bretton Woods und 70' IWF-Empfehlung : Garantie-Verzicht
            Geld 1920     'Geld'-Terminierung 2020 ! VWL,Volkswirtschaftslehre

           www.etgladium.de (http://www.etgladium.de) gladium spiritus  10.Gebote als christliche Verfassungs-Vorgabe,
          im Sinne innerer,natu(e)rlicher,Halt der nationalen demokratischen Verfasungen  und U.N.Charta

              Unchristliche Sozialwirtschaft,Zentralbanken organisierter Raub,Diebstahl,Betrug : HOCHVERRAT


              'Kann die EZB Pleite gehen ?'
       
               Madame Lagarde antwortet,so wie es einem an das Nuernberger Nachkriegstribunal-Ritual

               der meisten ( einige wenige mit Rueckgrat: Ja !) Angeklagten erinnert :

                NEIN !'( im Sinne der Anklage/Fragestellers) geantwortet haben !
               Dumpfe Frage verdient dumpf Antwort !



              Als Emittent des imateriellen Design-Symbols EUROS: Nein ! Kuenstlerisches -wertneutrales- Objekt !

               solange genuegend Papier fuer Bonds vorraetig und     
             Muenzpraege-Material sowie 'fuer virtuelle - aber inexistente Konten - e-Coulumbs !

               Als aktiver Intermittent der Wirtschaft,eigenstaendiges Unternehmen mit Profit-Ziel, haftet jeder     
               Mitarbeiter der EZB-Staaten deren Zentralbankensystem eigenverantwortlich
               fuer die rechtliche -verpflichtete- Einloesung = Wechsel offener Forderungen !
               In NATURALIEN,BARTER/Kompensation ,1:1 ,               ohne Verzicht auf vollkommende Gegenleistung,betr. klassische soziale Blutgeld !

               Deutschlands Nachkriegs-Strafmass,bei schwerem Betrug : Haft zu Arbeitslager -Kondition,BGB-Schrift
              BGB : ALLIIERTEN - 100%- Einverstaendnis,also erhaltenswert !
             Bei Administrations-Putsch/-Revolte :  Ultima ratio ' Todesstrafe' :  Artikel des deutschen GG-Regel-Werkes


             EZB : 100% VERFASSUNGSKONFORMITAETS-OBLIGO ! Keine andere Option !     
   
                                                   Rueckbau/Rueckabwicklung !
           Europaeischer Gerichtshof : FUER GELDWESEN -VOLKSRECHTEINMISCHUNG-NICHT KOMPETENT,

                    Geldwesen= ausserstaatlich- bezueglich " ordentlicher' Gerichtsbarkeit ,                   

       

                                                eigene Gerichtbarkeit : Jury Gesamtvolk
                    Misz/Vertrauen-s-Votum : Akzeptanz,Verzicht,Alternativen




                     die eigenen NATIONEN fuer sich SELBST-HAFTUNG-s-orientiert  : JA !

                                   EURO-Nationalisierung ! Exit : EZB-it zu  NZB ,n= national
                     'Die Weber' zu die www-er  : Netzwerk beobachten und kontrollieren




       GOTT IST TOT,Nietzsche,WIR EXISTIEREN (WOHL) NICHT,Oxford Uni Prof.

             Do not worry,be with that situation happy ! Apocalypse Voraus ,(eingebildete zumindest) !

       Wesley,siehe Er mich als ' chronisch ungebildeter und eingebildeter Jude' derselbst auch was von diesem

                          Weltschmerz (so n' biszl Aennchen Clarke unterwandert,soundmaessig)

was abhaben moechte,kein Weltscherz,bin n' echter grotten-scharfer Sado-Masochist geworden !

                                      Welttraenchen vergeuden, a la Peter Ustinov 'Quo vadis'
     

      Alles hat seinen PREIS,auch der FRIEDE,bis hin zum WELTFRIEDEN,nach 1000 Jahren Cryo-Krieg,ab 3020 p.C

              Mi gfreits,so aus MIR-Sicht,so als unbeteiligtes Reichs-Wesen,Zeitlos-Newby
    Hab mich fuer kleine Politik entschieden,die Grosse ist nicht Zukunfts-gerecht: Rosenkrieg inner-,civilian
Title: Re: This forum is turning into trash
Post by: stivep on November 19, 2020, 02:11:37 PM
Recognition:
the word recognition  means -identification of someone or something or person from previous encounters or knowledge
------------------------------------------------------------
I would be happy if you  dear LancaIV understand me.
Everything  you wrote is related to Ethics, Morality and Emotion.
Science doesn't recognize any of that.
_____________________________________

Directionality:
is the word that indicates direction in which someone or something is  moving, or developing .
Guidance :
is an advice or information aimed at resolving a problem or difficulty,
Consistent :
not containing any logical contradictions.

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Directional consistency makes me going precisely to the right  or to the left or straight from  New York to Berlin
without  wasting time  and at minimum effort .
Your entire writing  in any language is made from phrases that are to chaotic  for science to be processed.
And chaotic enough  to confuse not only scientist but  random readers too.
Respect to the elite member like you makes me to respond to your writing but it is not easy task.
I need consistent, organized  directional guided 
  information   to be able to respond.
Wesley
Title: Re: This forum is turning into trash
Post by: stivep on November 19, 2020, 02:19:59 PM
Guten Morgen,Wesley ! ich ersehe aus dem Geschriebenem,es geht Ihnen so gut wie sonst ,so unveraendert !
Meine systematische Position ist zu der Ihrigen eine Andere ! Weitlaeufiger !
Bin in eine von  'Moral und Ethik bestimmte Familie' hineingeboren worden und in eine demselben sich 'theoretisch' verpflichteten Gesellschaft ! Erbschuld !
In deutscher Sprache eine soziale Haftung !

translation:
quote: "My systematic position is different to yours !
I was born into a family determined by 'morality and ethics' and introduced into a society committed to the same 'theoretically'!"
end of quote.

_______________________________________________

Dear lancaIV
 It is my honor to speak to you .
I understand  this particular phrase of yours and its meaning.

I have similar approach to life but not as strict.
Morality and Ethics:
-is not uniform
-is locally shaped having local flavor.-and is to intuitive
-I'm an American respecting conservative science but at some  point  revolting  to much.
 

However  here  and now I need to be accurate enough  for readers to understand me.
So is you my friend.
and  you are not accurate enough  for readers to understand you.

Wesley
Title: Re: This forum is turning into trash
Post by: lancaIV on November 19, 2020, 02:24:53 PM
Ich gab Ihnen ein 'BILD,Kombination und Re-Kombination der sensitiven Ikonography haben Sie,fuer sich Selbst,zu finden !
Jeder hat seinen eigenen Schluessel !
Genug fuer heute
Das Lichtspectrum is nicht mono-chromatisch
Sie aber,Wesley,erscheinen so,fremd-konfiguriert,wenig Eigen-Leben ergebend
Der Friede ist der

Friedens-Pragmatismus
WHO : alle 17 Sekunden ein Corona-Toter in Europa   wenig/viel ?
A.Europa !?    E.U.
Nur E.U. 2018 : 5,31 Mio. Tote
                            365,25 x 24 x 60 x 60 = 1 Jahr = 31.557.600 Sekunden /5.310.000 Tote     
 WHO : alle 6 Sekunden in E.U. 2018 ein Toter /  In Europa die Sekundenzahl ?
     

                   WORAN ? Unbedeutend,interessiert keine Sau wirklich ,wohl meistens am Tod = Toten-Schein
                    Obduktion kaum vorhanden !
                           




Beteilige Er sich daran oder lasse Er es bleiben
Servus
Title: Re: This forum is turning into trash
Post by: lancaIV on November 20, 2020, 11:03:15 AM
Good Morning,Wesley,with the hope you are well( how ever) !


Clearly,I understand what you are ' speaking ',in written words and in not written meanings !
                    Monovalence,bivalence,tri-,....multivalence included !

You wrote it,the right TERM,about it : value !
Conversation,also called communication,in function import and export from images and they 'nomination'-s/given name /-s !

Example : oriental and the counterpart occidental : we use orient-ation,how many ' occident-ation ' ?
                       Or west-ing and east-ing !                     

                        But then ,not also : northing and southing ? Middling ? Mittlings,in deutsch existent !

                                    SPEAK-LANGUAGE-DESIGN ! But grammatical order respectance !

                                    Orthography ! How much freedom ? Explanation kind freedom !

            By grammar and logic both right and same worth to exist ! Or not ?

Communication is creation,in religion creators are defined as 'God'-s !
So you,in creation,as God,are with me,also in creativity,ergo God-same !
But : Avaliation ! God - heavens hirarchy : not 'God-Father ! ( Gracian Heaven Mythology )
GOD,God,god,Sigmund Freud: ES ~ simple translation : IT


You and me,we did not created the Earth ,not the planets,nor the sun,galaxy,Universum !
                                 Term and his use ' inflation/saecularisation'
God  of Soul,God of Literature .......,as popular example for the Art and for example in 'Jew'-ish religion/philosophy
the non-directly-spoken meaning 'EL',(-ohim) or J.A.H.W.E.,to no provoke,making 'IT ' angry !
     Ethical sub-/supra-frontier line, not to enter,Tabu or Taboo : BORDER line,ATTENTION !

Un-formal ~ a-typical question :
I know
 it has to written in such a lettric(or: litric,litera) kind,
can we historical define since when- by differing English and Anglistik,like Deutsch and Germanistik,
it was fixed ' as 'term ~ word ' and the word his Phonetics

(I) know,to know

in latin to translate 100%? 50%? ≤ 50% ?
infinitive ' cogere,or cognoscere or credere or scire '
The right word for the right 3/4D mental meaning,the right mental sense/feeling('s) !?


I know as given 2020 in use deutsches word : infinitive verb(e) : essen ~ to eat
 Verb(-e)  to eat ! ?       to EAT !?   


ESSEN,Essen,City in Nordrhein-West-Falen/west part Land from the deutsche Konfederation
also called the 'BUND'  !

But for ' language historians' in re-/search : ESSEN,Essen has nothing to do with to EAT,to eat !


First problem for 'automatic translator' for right meaning 'over-bording' in another ' lingual dimension = speak/Sprache,language !

 Science does not retreat religion/philosophy ? As individual human : yes,taken for granted


In my Welt-Bild

babies are born,are growing,becoming pupils,students,adultsthis beginning with grand-/parents their life religion philosophy,school,high school,universities,acadamies,up to moment to be invited as   

   National  Academy of Science members ,teaching the Profs and teachers new discoveries methods

A scientist is a man,woman or transgender,a person with fixed/flexible religion/philosophy stand-points which ever by humanity influences science results or no !? - yes ! - publication/patenting decision !

We have to complete : the controle by the estate/-s of no/patenting things/processes/methods whose are against tactical/strategical/economical/humanity (Charta) interests ! BR Deutschl. Patent office : Buero 99 aval !

 About the USE from scientifical re-/search their developments : there you are right !


Science,scientifical :    from absolutistic view without sense/feel,emotion,balance

  Treat : Nuernberg ,Voelkerrecht,Voelkerstrafgericht
Accused :  Ernst von Weizsaecker

Delikt : Verbrechen gegen die Menschlichkeit ,Deportations-Hauptverantwortung ,min. 70.000

Strafmasz  nach Verurteilung : 7 Jahre
7 Jahre x 365,25 Tage x 24 Stunden ~ 61.362 Stunden    ~ 1h/Deportierter,nach Ausschwitz

                                                   JUSTICE ?  Compensation ?

                  2020 DenHague Menschengerichtshof ' benchmark' (?):


               






                                                                   1h/Mord = Suehnestrafmasz ?









            Aktiver Mord / Passiver Mord = ermorden lassen,vorsaetzlich ,Auftrag




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                    About Ethics

        Bivalence : war for peace

                                                               but : not war the target,but peace !

                Aggressor -/Regressor war ?
                                                                   ' this was ancient Our land  !' ?                                           

                                                                   ' You are aggreding Our (minority) people ,in our land majority !' ?




                                                                     A War-rior     his ' dignity'

                                                      Philosophy view  change from   


                                                     OLD STANDART

             Common,Europe Continental                 ' Hero'                       Westfaelische Landfriede,post 1648                                                           
                                                      NEW STANDART

             Common,Global to                                     'Criminal/Killer'    ' International Nuernberger Tribunal '

          In-land,inner-state,war :    criminals,killers

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Science : in Deutsch( deutscher HOCH-Sprache,differing from NIEDER-Deutsch = the dialects )

                Wissenschaften

Search,Research :

               Forschung ( suchen,procurare )



Development ( the findings,the results,the Anti-/Paren-/Hypo- Thesis as answer,or new question)

              Erfindung,Entwicklung,In-nova-tion


New in Deutsch : Neu ( Neu-Stadt = NewTown)

Phonetics : 'neu'  written ,'noi' spoken,
                     but by contexte attention , cause ' Noi ,noi' means slso ,' NO,No,no ! '


UNDERSTANDING the individual word,the word as function in the sentence,the sentence in the Con-Texte !
Also this the ' automatic translator' has notthe given ' program-m-ed,integated success/error giving KNOWLEDGE :                                                                  SEMANTIK
What does this functional means : by a 1920 Enzyklopaed/Lex-Ikon/scientifical dictionary ,1950,1990,
                            2020 p.C e-Enzyklpaed like ' wikipedia' ?
Only in words,explaining with images,pictures,photography,video-/audio-film ?



                                           Cerebro,Gehirn,Brain :
                                function fe-/male orientation            THINKINK ? from left to right or right to left like WRITING
           THINKING about the image,object-image/image-object,the creation/production,the form,
                               the production process,the material,the explore,the plan/scheme
                              the MOTIVATION ,the VOTIVATION ~ just do it = Change !

No, I do not believe that this is 'automatic translator' incorporated ,giving the MACHINE the same SENSE as
we,as humans (can) have/give !
The DAVID-STAR,the MENORAH,the KRE(t)Z,the KRAN(t)Z,the CRUISE = SYMBOL = Motive and Votive

                                                           

                                                              I believe,to think to know !

                                                           Credere,Scire,Sentire,Estimare
                                                                    Mimikry = Simulare !?
                                                            Temptation : Mockage !? Trial ?
               


Thora,Bible,Coran                        to EE-Bible entry : Physics Enzyklopaedie  !

                                                                                ORIGINAL ( work,script and language)
                                                 ' Original' - translation : ORIGINARY
                                    Language re-/new formation : meaning before/after ?  SIN(N in DEUTSCH)
                                   Physics :

                                  how many re-formation since Euklid,G.Galilei,Isaak Newton,Maxwell,Einstein   
                                   the SYSTEM configuration and new INTERPRETATION/DEFINITION !?
                                  How many TRANSLATION errors ?




                                 Lisl Meitner to Otto Hahn : " Das verstehst du nicht,das ist Physik !"

                         Does a later Nobel-Award for Chemistry granted 'scientist' not need to understand
                                ? ' natural' ' Academy of Sciences'-Physics ?

                                   

                                                            Phrases,Formulas ,Article,Paragraph

                                                         Observation ! Same - similar - different


                             Physics : written,phonetics subjective = by us and objective = ' I ,the formula speaks : "........!/?"

                             CHANGING POSITIOINS and POINT OF VIEW = discussing INTER-PRET-ATION

                             Pret-a-Porte  pret ~ step ~ Stufe                 maximum down - minimum up
                            First class - to- 12.class = 12 steps in education years ~ 24 semesters ~ 144 months ( theo.)

                            eventual + later University ( up to 12 semesters more : ius,medicin) ( + 'Doctor'-at : 2 years) +++

                          Whow : scientists with         Dr.rer.nat,Dr.phil.,Dr.jur. IN-ONE NAME as TITLE,for good ? For bad ?


                          docere , Dr. ........ ,PhD Doctor in ? = Teach-quality-Aval for that faculta/Fach/Study section

          Working with and by individuals,groups,society common knowledge ,giving references: source /archive
          Working documentary,we never know if or when we need to defend ourselves by legal accusation process !


So,Wesley,in my worde and thinkings + meaning : Anglistik + Germanistik animateur view-point



'The difference from our view-points' shown between your believe and my,with someones same,similar,but also diametral different !
                                                  Vixierbild ~ picture puzzle 'automatic translator' response
                 
                                                  Yin&Yang : picture puzzle ? 

Sensitive doubts that from 100 un-/educated humans,pleased to give to the ABSTRACT term ' picture puzzle' their image will be
                         
                                printed,drawed,showed as : Yin&Yang

       The most shown 'picture puzzle/Vixierbild' symbol : the Pokal(the Poke),the Cup :

                                        black-white SENSE vixier-/CONCENTRATION difference

                     2-d ~ cup       or   2-d        2 humans their faces,in face-to-face POSITION

                           Psychology 'sense re-/search'  Luescher color-teste

    I hope ' you understand' my over-and under-stand positioning of things and matters

To ENTER in books,movies or in Person their Minds is ever ENTERING IN TERRA INCOGNITA
Border-line,physical : classical mechanice  Physics versus new Physics  = Quanten-Mechanics
In comparison diametral~ inverse  results possible,maximation or diminuation also as neutralisation !


Communication can ever be/in  to the wrong place,wrong moment and by wrong objects =intentions

overunity.com           simple free energy machine forum

Have a good day

Sincerely
             

p.s.: to AlienGrey : I do not ' flies picking', it has something to do with the funny shout from a London 'HOUSE':     
                                 ORDER ! ORDER ! + the Bell

                                 + ( the right/obligation  to advice/warn/punish stupid delegates by given rules )             
                                 
                                 After beatnicks,Punks,Hippies,Rockers : 80' the New Wave,Y.U.P.P.I.E.
                                 ABC of Love and a ' STYLE COUNCIL'

                                 Inside Yuppy and outside Yuppie ?

                                 Inside Yuppie and outside Punk ?
                                 Inside Punk and outside Punk ?
                                 Inside Punk and outside Yuppie ?
                                X in-house= private ,out-house = public
                     
                                Punk !? Official ' so is a Punk '( trademark TM ,International Society Normation,I.S.N.
                                Yuppie !? Offcial ' so is a Yuppie' ( trademark TM ,International Society Normation,I.S.N.
                                '  No,we Punk 'concurrence ?

                                   'No,we R Yuppie 'concurrence ?
                             
                                  Out-In-Sider :

                                   'Yes,I am YUPPIE-PUNKY-FLIPPY'
     
                   
                                FLIPPY  :o DIE UNHEIMLICHE BEGEGNUNG DER DRITTEN ART (Steven Spielberg) 8)       
                                Aeh, not to get it to the wrong neck   : shrek-lich good movie-Fan(fare : not ;D )

                               Conservator/Arch-i-va-tor/Bem-Feitor
       




                               AlienGrey,What is Love,Baby,don't hurt me,don't hurt - anymore ;) Stylish answer  ::) ?
                               Konzil-iant,council(l)ors granted:

                              Faculta,clearly classical 7.seals or by the most important Siglium : the Eight,der ACHT

                             An-Alphabets mostly their use the 8.,24/365 ,    OB-SERVATION
Title: Re: This forum is turning into trash
Post by: lancaIV on November 21, 2020, 04:15:37 AM
Das 'Martin Luther-Syndrom': Ich bringe Euch den seelischen Frieden,welcher bedeutet Krieg

Die Glaeubigen lebten vor der Bibel-Uebersetzung in deren Alltagssprache in einem 'Weg zum Paradies',mit der 'sprachlichen Offenbarung' erschien Ihnen Religion als (Be-)Trugschluss,Hoch-Verrat !

Die Macht der Kirche Roms war tot !
Religions-/Gesellschaftsspaltung die Folge !
Krieg,30 Jahre !Neue europaeische Kontinentalordnung,neue Allianzen,Beistandsvertraege,Pakte=Abmachungen !
Amerika,Australien,Suedamerika : das neue ' Moderne Europa' der Aus-/Emigranten,Ein-/Imigranten

Migrantismus : Wanderzug (Ameisen-/Termiten-/Ratten-/Voegel-/Menschen),Besiedlung/Ghettoisierung


Was 'heiszt/heisst' Sprache fuer den 'Einjeden',wie ist diese individuell zu verstehen,soll verstanden werden ?
Herder Lexikon : Jesus Christus Juden-Sektierung,als Reformation,eine - kommon-/kommu-nistische Gruppe


Die globale (kaum praktisch erreichbare)Praemisse theokratischen

       Sozialismus-                     Komm-u/-o-/nismus-     Demokratie
ausgeschrieben als PRAEAMBEL des DEUTSCHEN VERFASSUNGSWERKES  :

                                           ALLE MENSCHEN SIND GLEICH

Aber : theokratisch-juristisch,
nicht biologisch alltaeglich und zuerst nur Teil der geopolitischen Ordnung :       

                                       in der BR DEUTSCHLAND gueltig

WIR SIND MENSCHEN,keine 24/365 Arbeitsmaschinen,ohne 24/365 VERFASUNGSKONFORMITAET

NEIN,wir sind nicht 'Animals',wir sind KOERPER mit ANIMA,dieser aber mit 'animalischen -Zyklus-Trieben ausgestattet,mit HOCHs und TIEFS,Euphorien und Hysterien,den LAUNEN,DIE UN-/LUST

OHNE ORDNUNG : BESTIA,-lisch : ZERSTOERUNG

                     IST DEMOKRATIE ?                               DEMOKRATIE IST :

SOZIALISMUS,oder mit anderem WORT,bei gleicher DEUTUNG,KOMMUNIMUS/KOMMONISMUS



                                                    ALLE MENSCHEN SIND GLEICH   

  :  VOR DEN (verbundenen) AUGEN DER ( Goettin) JUSTITIA SIND ALLE ANGEKLAGTEN( Menschen) GLEICH

SOZIAL-RECHT HOCH-SPRACHE ( INSTANZ : VERFASSUNGSGEBENDE KOMMISSION ) in HOCH-DEUTSCH


GROSS-gedacht ,mit VIELEM,nicht erwahntem 'viel und beigeordnetem,zugeordnetem,untergeordnetem
                                                                  Kleingedrucktem
Philosophie-/Philologie-/Juristen HOCHSPRACHE,ausgedrueckt mit und ueber rethorische/reitorische Hilfsmittel

MYSTERIUM und LABYRINTH fuer AUSSENSTEHENDE,   

( insbesonders Alphabet ' automatic translator' und Gesellschaftswissenschaftler,welche sich " an Altem" herhalten)


                                                               FACH- GEBIETSFREMDE
GEBIET : Land namens "HISTORIE", Land namens "Philosophie",Land namens "Justitia",Land namens ' MORGEN'

                                                 NEULAND,terra incognita und ' novo mundo'

                                                    EINTRITTS- CHANCE,EINTRITTSRISIKO
                                                         GEMEINSAMKEITEN,TRENNENDES

PRAEAMBEL "ALLE .... GLEICH"      im ALLTAG :

Ein Mann : ist eine Frau   

Ein Alter : ist ein Junger
Ein Saeufer ist : ein Nicht-Saeufer
Ein Idiot : ist ein Nicht-Idiot

Ein Unschuldiger : ist ein Schuldiger

Theokratisch-rechtlich : in dubio = Zweifelsbehaftung/VERDACHT

                                            pro reo = den Indizien/Beweise /Fakten/Zeugen
                                                           GLAUBEN SCHENKEN
 ,abwaegen, urteilen,verurteilen und Urteilsspruch,begruendet,exekutieren beziehungsweise ,da Fristbestand,

                                           Urteils-Einspruch/Widerspruch einlegen = INSTANZENWEG

                So wahr Gott (~ Gut-Glaube)dem Amtsrichter und - bis hin - Verfassungsgericht-Senat helfe !

Wenn nicht glaub-wuerdig,der Gerichtsspruch die Begruendungskraft ,dann spricht-wie wir es gewohnt sind-

                                                   
                                          VOLKES ( einem jeden GERECHTIGKEIT ! - Ruf !)  STIMME ,Aufruhr/Revolte

                                          "Falsche ( ,bezahlte,korrupte)  Justitia'  -LYNCHJUSTIZ


DER STAAT  -  ist - eigentlich ;) - recht 8) simplex  ;D strukturiert,komplex bloss DER LANGE TAG !

TAG im Sinne der theokratischen "Paradies-Geschichte'

 ' Am ersten TAG erschuf ....,am Siebten TAGE ' :
 Bis zu 1 Mrd.Jahre ~ 1 TAG ( Agrar-Sektor : ein Tagwerk in qm- Arbeitsleistung ,Grundgroesse:ein Morgen,in qm)

Am ACHTEN : FEIERABEND,'lux off,

Eine gute Nacht

Adele

Title: Re: This forum is turning into trash
Post by: stivep on November 21, 2020, 06:07:49 AM
Dear lankaIV I don't talk  religion.
I don't implement religious factors into any other subject.
The only moment when I'm mentioning religion is when  I need it to be mentioned
for the consistency of conversation.
I love philosophy but we can't  have precise pinpointed  debate  due to language  problem
Your writing  although  now  much better to understand is taking pieces of information
from different  fields and creating mosaic.
I need to respond  to logical structure  precise and concise and up to the point.
___________________________

Language is giving us a tool to dance and tool to  create.
I'm not a dancer and not an artist.
I'm logical creature.
Wesley
 
Title: Re: This forum is turning into trash
Post by: lancaIV on November 21, 2020, 12:05:49 PM
Hallo,einen schoenen guten Morgen,Wesley !

"Boh ey " - entspricht dem gelaeuferigem  "  WOW !" ,Ihr OUTING brachte mich fast aus der (VER-)FASSUNG,
meinem virtuellem Korsett !

Dass Sie einen nicht verstehen,mag nicht neu sein,Ihre Beitraege partiell lesend !
Und wie Sie glauben '(ver-)urteilen zu koennen duerfen !?

         EIN ANALOGON ~ BABYLON BERLIN
        ( nice as vid -theme Zu Asche und zu Staub,not only Josephine liked Banana,I ,too,during and out of dance
        dance ~ orare ~ fit-(t)ing ~ Lifeerotics

Lehrer ,auch Schultz,Schultheitz/Professor ueber die Zeiten genannt,zu seiner Abschlussklasse :
"Petra,nun mit dem Abschluss in der Hand,was wollen Sie werden ?"

:Petra: " Krankenschwester bei den Ursulininen,Herr Lehrer !"
Lehrer : "Ein wirklich wichtiger und nuetzlicher Beruf,eine gute Entscheidung !

Lehrer zu Karl-Wilhelm :"Und was ist Ihnen beschienen ,Karl-Wilhelm ?"
Karl Wilhelm : "Ich gehe zum Militaer !"
Lehrer : " Eine gross-artige Entscheidung,Unser all Vaterland zu verteidigen !"

Nun,nach der Runde,kam zuletzt Schueler "ICH" an die Reihe,Lehrer nach all den Berufswuenschen,sittlich ehrbar und korrekt

"Schueler ICH,und Sie ?"

Schueler ICH : Ich moechte ENTART werden,Neuland betreten und Unser Mutterland beschuetzen !"
Lehrer : "Man hat es vernommen ,recht modern !"

Lehrer,zum Abschlusz der Abschluszklasse :

"Zu den kommenden " neuen Zeiten : Viel Glueck auf dem Ihrigem Wege,der HERR stehe IHNEN BEI !SIE sind nun frei !"

Alle gehen aus dem Klassenraum,bis auf den Lehrer und "ICH" !
Lehrer,Vater von "ICH" : Muszte Er Mich vor der ganzen Klasse bloszstellen ?"


ICH ,zur Antwort :   



Wesley,I LOVE PHILOSOPHY ( koennte auf einem Grabstein eingemeiszelt stehen) ,welche "ICH"- Antwort geben

Sie diesem Ex-Pen(n)aeler ?
'BABYLON BERLIN'-Zeitmasz,Ordnung muss sein !

Zeitlich und inhaltlich zwischen  :

Die Feuerzangenbowle( Genre:Komoedie,mit Heinz Ruehmann)
                                      und   

              " Die Klasse von 1984"(Genre:Thriller,mit Michael (ups,Edit :Fix ) clearly M.Fox
             ( puh,fast ein Fehler,zurueck zur Zukunft)

( + Pst,nur fuer ganz intime Insider : Schul-Maedchen-Report" ( Was Eltern nicht fuer moeglich halten  8) )
Da wird es einem feucht,um die Augen ! (Restbereich Privatsache  ;D )
Zum Glueck "Schulmaedchen-Report II.Teil" ,....,VIII,..........

WIR LEBEN DAS LEBEN UND DEN SPASS,Geschmaecklecker

 Entartete Kunst ~ entkuenstelte Kunst ~ entartete ARS ~ REALIST,Konkretivist,Konstructivismus




I love Science-Kunst und Religions-Kunst und Philosophie-Kunst,too

Unter-Arten der "Hohen Lebens-Kunst" ,mit "SCHOEN-GEIST" und "OBSCENE/OBSZOEN- GEIST"




Auch die FE machine ist Kunst als und AM Werk,angewandt or applied

Die macht Es nicht mit Jedem,zu billig

WORT ZUM SAMSTAG,hier SABADO,irgendwie bekannt erscheinend ueber-confessionell betrachtet

Habe Er ein ,weiterhin ,schoenen Tag    (Nieder-Klaessler schreiben anstatt "ein" :  " einen" )


Sprach-Zauberei ,'Wesley in Wonderland'


Adeus

p.s.: I(ch) mag Filo-sofia auch     
        Wir so,als Schueler ,muessen bei der literarischen Alt-sowie futuristischen Neu-Zeit-Reise hoellisch
        aufpassen,beim Aufschnappen nicht 'ueber einen spitzen Stein zu stolpern' denn sonst kann es sein
       dass das Betrachtete 'in den falschen Schlund geraet' ,sollte es sich dabei um ein ' goldenes Kalb' handeln
     wird es ueber die Zeit ein ' grossartiges ' er-?/ent-? wachsenes goldenes ? goldiges ? Rindvieh" ,
    wobei hier das Geschlecht zur Disposition steht,welches vielleicht

    nehmen wir hier  nun mal dessen Art-Genossen-Pendant-Analogon

     " Ein Rindvieh im Porzelan-Laden' verhaelt/verhalten moege-mag


     noch grausamer : ' Ein Rindvieh im Porzelan-Museum,Chinesische Ming-Dynastie"

      Kunst ist wie das Leben so zerbreclich


     Halte man sich an ein - simples/ordinaeres/reales- Kalb :
     Dieses will nur Vakzine = Muttermilch Mutterwaerme

    und die Welt entdecken





    Kalb ,bei erster Neu-Welt-Reise : Ich bin 'Muh',wer bist du ?
    Man nennt mich ' Maeh ! Du Schaf ! kam es von einem bisher unbekanntem Wesen    dem Kalb zur Antwort zurueck


    Kalb,gedankenschwanger,geht zur Kalbs-Mutter und fragt :
" Muh-Muh(=Mutter) ,ist ' ein Schaf' was gutes oder was schlechtes ?

Muh-Muh : "Geh zu deinem Puh-Puh,( = Vater) ,fuer Aussendienst kann nur er helfen !
                    Ich weisz von Nix und habe keine Ahnung !"



Wesley + google&Cie. Automatic Translator/-s in WONDERLAND  ;) :) ( feat. BIG COUTRY ) 8)
Title: Re: This forum is turning into trash
Post by: stivep on November 21, 2020, 04:18:50 PM
Lanka IV
Quote
you don't understand one may not be new, your supplement partial reading !
And how do you think '(ver-)judgment sit down !?

Lanka IV
Quote
I love Science Art and Religious Art and Philosophy Art,too
Lanka IV
Quote
The FE machine is also art

the rest of your writing  I'm omitting.


My writing here is not about religion but about philosophical
analysis  of particular mammal - the human animal behavior after this animal was introduced to any religion .
I'm also not talking or referring to my own personal approach  into  this particular  subject.

____________________
If you want me to respond to any text  I need to have link for it.
As I said I have  limited time to respond to any forum ~20 minutes in the morning and ~30 minutes in the evening.
This time can be divided into smaller  segments during a day  but cant go beyond the total daily time for posting.
I respect your love to art and I agree that FE is an art .
but I'm operating in limited area of an art.

______________________________
Religion is not  an art nor is  a skill  it is just believe.
Religious arts in  its physical form  has nothing to do with religion , it has to do  only
with money spend for the purpose of comfort of leading  human elements in within that given group of interest, making you spend and
believe that you could  lose much more  if you didn't do so.
___________________________________

Church as a building and   personal  elements connected to  given religion  is money spend and money earned
and yes it has artistic value to someone but mostly emotional.
However ruling motivation to its  creation was comfort of priests  teaching   the  crowd
about need  of such elements.
After  that crowd  is brain-prepared/ often brainwashed:
- So the Priests are not much in fear of losing  source of income
- artists can make some money too.
- construction guys makes living
- traders makes deals
- and apart form money spend it is also the time spend for that dedication  making believers more involved  or more indoctrinated.
The    physical value of that outcome is less than zero.
The expected  value  of FE is  totally opposite , as we want it to be more  than zero and at zero  cost to us.

there is ever-present Fear that even a slightest attempt to calculate balance of  gain and losses may disturb some
of  god or gods, and  disappointment of god/s may in effect  be very unpleasant to the  given human animal.

So FEAR  is the  main element of  any religion.  

God is seen by believers  as Self oriented/ king having unrestricted freedom of acting
and any horror on the earth may be  assigned as -an affect of God/s personal disappointment.

The time of good God miracles exists  only in written form of old times..
Believers expects:
-  end of the life , the god final punishment.
-  your own wealth  and comfort  on the earth will be replaced with something else  by force.
-  nobody is going to ask you  how much you dislike such reality.




Wesley
Title: Re: This forum is turning into trash
Post by: lancaIV on November 21, 2020, 05:37:42 PM
At first,for probably wrong mind correction :
I do not belong to one religion group or section,also not Scientology.
Okay,over my parents their confession and 'theoretical' believe I got baptizised as cristian,but leave the
romano-catholic church community1987,in Germany possible as administrative act !

I am not party communist,neither capitalist ,nor fundamentalist : where is fixed when onebody becomes one or another ?

In my life I only voted one time for political election,Munich,my vote : Humanistische Partei by name !
I did not read their program,left or right parlamentiary political orientation,did/do not know +- 1985/86 neither 2020 !
You want understand "applied philosophy"(from my method) :

look for "Schul-Maedchen-Report",I,II,III,.....  more or less 50 years back ,THE 70',,and "Era of se.x Enlightment"
-related~ Woody Allen ,deutscher Title " Was Sie schon immer ueber  Se.x wissen  wollten,aber bisher nie zu fragen wagten",1972,Comedy


                         Rollenspiel : Schulmaedchen-Report

1.hear in deutscher Sprache/translate this to one for you common language without picture/movie-pictures
2.look the pictures/movie-film without sound/tone as 2020 audient

3. take the language version and " make your own movie" IMAGINATION

4. take the picture/movie version and "make your own movie" 1000 WORDS

Will you this personal OEUVRE present your family: grand-( if living)/parents-(if living)/ childs,.....,your neighbours your local community ?

Why not,which barrier ? Schweinematz,Ferkel,.......? Index !? 197+ social enlightment movies ?
    CENSOR : own,by common view ,'Mr.Common ? Who is it,this Dictator ?'

Fellini ? Serious ? Guareschi ' Don Camillo und Peppone' serious ?

t.a.t.u. all the things she ( he ? Trevor Horn?) said

Are we actionary or reactionary,2020 social view ? ARE WE FREE .


Freedom only for some,not for all ?

Anti-baby-pill for woman !

The existent anti-baby-pill for man,with same contraception like the pill in woman biologic cycle ?

Stress and Darwin : Darwinfinken and Clownfish gender change !

Social gender change by pharmacology ?

What is,phyto-chemical/-biological view analysis, "stress" : stress by 'anti- instruments',medical weapons,
like anti-biotics,for our gladness for free in drink water and meal to refind ! Fridge-pharmacy !
Do you feel ill eat 'veal fil(l)et,all the Best included !

It changes much ! Fried(en) Chicken alternatively.






Enough now as finishing "Wort zum Samstag" !

And no,there is for both of us not the possibility to compact themes transform as final question :

Do you agree ?   " Yes ! or " no !" ?

Yes,no are ' moment' dependent ! And only moment-answer !



Servus
p.s.: 2020 : Schul-Jungen-Report ? I,II,....... X,,....... C,.........

       2020 : Parlament-Maedchen/Junge-Report
      2020 : Wirtschaft-Maedchen/Junge-Report

p.s. II: Sie,Wesley, koennen entscheiden als Babylon-Berlin-'Lehrer' oder als Babylon Berlin-'ICH' zu agieren
           Leben als Kreation,weniger als Kreatur
Title: Re: This forum is turning into trash
Post by: lancaIV on November 22, 2020, 10:02:50 AM
I change : FEAR is the main element of any life

Einen guten Morgen,Wesley !
Es existiert keine Wissenschaft ohne einen Wissenschaftler !
Also besprechen wir bei Wissen ueber und mit unserer,der menschlichen Natur !
             SIND WIR BEGRENZT ?

Ich las gestern " derspiegel-online " : die Partei DIE GRUENEN ,deren Co-Vorsitzender :

                                              "Werden .....,frech ! "               
                                      'frech ' ? Erklaere Er sich,Uns !



      DIE REINE LEHRE DER WAHRHAFTIGKEIT

Ich las weiterhin,idem der Seite,die Kolumne des Herren/Herrn Thomas Fischer
 " Zu alt fuer Strafe '   Veroeffentlichungs-Datum 20.11.2020 16:23

       Darin ein Absatz,welcher Erklaerung bedarf,kann einen Standart-Kurzkommentar darstellen  :

   ( provokanter  "Wahn-Sinn" ,angewandter oder dialektischer darin ? Fahrlaessig oder vorsaetzlich ? )

Rezitat,im Bereich "Strafe und Wahrheit" :

" Die   ' Gesinnung'  ist uns viel wert ( Wert ? Recht-Schreibung-Wissenschaft  !) und wer mit einem Spielzeuggewehr aus Holz auf einen Menschen schieszt,weil er es irtuemlich fuer echt haelt ,wird fuer versuchten Mordes lebenslang ins Gefaengnis gesperrt ."
      Zitat Ende

Der dokumentierte Satz eines Recht-Wissenschaftlers !

Absolut ?
Schauspielerei ? Mit lebenslanger Haft bedroht ?
Keine Tatort-'Action-Filme mehr ?Paintball wird verboten ?Voelkerball - hier anstatt Gewehr der Ball- ebenso verboten ?
Ist ' fiktiv' nicht auch irrtuemlich ? Science-Fiction ueber "Fiktion"-Wissenschaft





Wieviel Fiktion bin Ich,sind Sie Wesley ? Wieviel Fiktion erlauben Wir uns ?

FIKTION ALS SUCHE NACH DER ABSOLUTEN WAHRHEIT :

ueber Nicht-/Furcht ,FURCHT = FEAR



Sie schreiben immer ueber ' science' auf Ihre Art und Weise, ich beschreibe meine Sicht



                                 Wissenschaft ( Die "- Logien",-logy/-logies )  ist die Verpackung des Glaubens




Recht-Wissenschaft ,Religion-Wissenschat,Philo-Wissenschaft,Bio-Wissenschaft,Sprach-Wissenschaft,Leben-Wissenschaft
                                              Natur-Wissenschaft,                             
                                             Kosmos-Wissenschaft
                                            ESSE-/to BE/das Sein- Wissenschaft
                                            Existenz-Wissenschaft

           VORGABE(die GABE,the GAVE/BESTIMMUNG/DESTINATION :freier Wille,Zwang,Fatalismus

           AENDERUNG: koennen,sollen,duerfen,wollen,muessen,verzichten,erlassen/erzwingen


" Glaube muss~ Philosophie muss ....."

bei mir " Glaube kann .....~ Philosophie kann ...."  Beschreibung kann .....



Einige Denkansaetze am heutigen,classisch ' heiligen !?,  Sonntag (Christliche Lehre)


Mi freundlichen Gruessen des Diesseits und frohe Zeiten

OCWL


p.s.: Furcht : als Frage oder als Antwort

          WESSEN FRUCHT/Abstammung/Herkunft ,verbotener Frucht ? Saat,Ernte

                     SITTE und MORAL: als Tradition ( original ? originaer ? Bedeutungslehre)

                    NATU(E)R-LICH-INTIM oder -EXTIM ,

                    timere,Infinitiv,Latein -Deutsch : fuerchten ( vor)/befuerchten
                   IN-TIM, IN-TIMUS (~ Beichtvater/Busen-Freund/-Freundin,Vater/Mutter,.....): (TOP) SECRET

                    DEPECHE MODE : It is a question of LUST,it is a question of TRUST


                   'LUST'-Trieb : humans their 'LUST'-Trieb,creativity : sensual/sculptural,sexual,corporal
                   'LUST'-Spiel/SPIEL
                   Onan,Bibel : onan-ieren,Masturbation ~ Stimulation /Motivation  SPIELEN,ERREGUNG

                  Junge/Maedchen : Bin ich anders ? 'Doktor-Spiele' ,Mit-/Ohne Glied-Rollenspiel

                 Junge,1.Menstruation : Erguss,Samenflusz,POLLUTION                 ( Druck ablassen : pissen,strullern,pollern ~ Wasser lassen,urinieren)

                  Maedchen,1.Menstruation : monatliche Regelblutung(Ei+Schleim-Abfluss),Ausnahmen

     
                Kleine Lust-Herren,Kleine Lust-Damen ," Prinzen/Prinzessinen in deren Alters-Traum-Welt"


                Bin ICH ( jeder Junge,jedes Maedchen,nun jed Transgender) anders :
               EKEL,SCHAM,FURCHT: Kaputt ? Blut,verletzt,MUSS ICH STERBEN ?

              TRAUMA,1ste DEPRESSION ,einer natuerlichen Bio-Uhr-Evolution !
             Wechseljahre,eine natuerliche Bio-Uhr-Evolution : Basis-Jahre + 40 x 9-Monate-Zell-Generatio

            9-Monate ~ eine Mensch-Koerper-Bildung(Durchschnitt) im Mutter-Leib !

                Fact : Peru,einst 8 Jaehrig ein Maedchen : 1ste Mutterschaft,Alter des Neugeborenen-Vaters ?

               Baby-Klein-Kind : LUST-EVOLUTION Alters-Beginn/Beginn-Alter ?

              Schul-Maedchen-Report : mit 6 Jahren das Maedchen die Treppe(auf -Gelaender) runtergerutscht,
              zwischenbeinige Reibung : Gefuehlsentdeckung ! Wiederholung !  Masturbation !

                   6 JAHREN ! Weiblich !                Frueher bei anderen Maedchen ?
                   ? JAHREN : Ma(e)n(n)lich ?

                Not " corporal -" ,but EMOTION -Enlightment-AGE  and the ' know-how to reach/to get the flash'
                             INSPIRATION                   spiritus rectus                  Speed : Adrenalin-(over-)dose
                                      Love,Self-Love,Mono-Love
                                       Japan : Mono-Marriage in Trend ,weeding his-self [ IDEAL (!?) Traum-Typ/in ]



                LUST as (Bal-)LAST or for PROGRESSION,das Doping der Kreativitaet ,zum Beispiel das Leben und

                Wirken des Toulouse Lautrec (trotz/weil Pyknodysostose )

              Carl Proteus Steinmetz : Toulouse Lautrec Syndrom ?
             Albert Einstein : Autist


Wesley,?-Fragen und !-Antworten sind Forschung von Entwicklungen,die Gesamtheit : Wissenschaft,Science
              Mit Glaube : Veraenderung,Change

             Lehre basiert der Wissenschaft,Erfahrung,Wiederholung,Erkenntnis,Bewertung : gut/schlecht,neutral

             FEAR and DRUCK/PRESSURE
Leben lesen,Bilder lesen,Gesamtwerk betrachten und fragen :

da Vinci,Mona Lisa(Erleuchtung/Offenbarung)
     Lust-Junge ? Leonardo,wie er jung war ? Jungbrunnen !
Leonardo homosexuell,Transgender ? Bild-Auftraggeber ? Leonardo als " ewiges Menschen-Kind"

    Muenze 'Der Mann/Das Umfeld,dessen Radius

                                     Christ Pantokrator/Mona Lisa

LdV: flat or round ? ::)


Immanuel Kant : kategorische imperative
Theokratische-juristische-lateinische Betrachtung :
10.Gebote auch genannt 10.Disziplinen auch genannt 10.Kategorien
Imperative,als hoechste An-/Forderung : Latein der 6.Fall der Deklination : der VOKATIV !
Zudem immer dabei,der 5.Fall : ABLATIV
In wessem Name etwas TUN/NICHT TUN

10.Kategorien entsprechen NATUR-ORDNUNG,ungeschrieben
ALL-gemeiner GEFUEHLSORDNUNG,tit for tat
Wie Du Mir,so Ich Dir
Kategorische Imperativ(e) : sei so natuerlich wie die Natur Dir als Gabe vorausbestimmt hat

Fehler sind Teil der Natuerlichkeit ( witzige/amuesante bis hin erschreckende/grausame  Vids aus der Sphaere : Natur : ist/soll(te)sein !? )


 NATUR unter STRESS : Folge ? (UM-)WANDLUNG      ,Freund/Feind

Wesley,Sie schreiben und beschreiben aus einer versuchten Neutralitaets-Position :2020 Belaestigung,sexuelle,Thema : #me too
Schulmaedchen-Report,bevor eventuellem Prozess,nicht international Pflicht-Informationsmaterial fuerStaatsanwaelte,Rechtsanwaelte,Richter ?
        Schuldig ? Nicht schuldig ? Beruehrung wollen !?
        Schuldig,weil nicht beruehrt haben ?
        Beruehrung,Naehe zeigen,Interesse,aber - vorerst-nicht mehr ?
       Was ist Tanz ,Folklore,angelernter Gesellschafts-Tanz,Bewegung,Schritt : Symbolik !
       Wie nah,wie schnell ,bewegt sich der Mensch zu Mensch,traute Zweisamkeit,Vertraulichkeit ?!
       Sich trauen,sich verloben,offizielle VERLOBUNG(~ Vor-EHE classisch,mit EHE-Versprechen,rechtliche Folgen)

      Intim,offen der Gesellschaft: wir SIND ein PAAR,PARTNER ! EHE,Standesamt,Kirche

      Simuliert einer ? Un-/geschriebener Vertrags-Buch ?!
    Das WORT,muendlich/schriftlich,gegeben ! Vor Zeugen,Leumund !?



    Inhaltlich ist unser Leben recht alt,Empfindungs-/Empfaengnis-basiert,
    blosz wir sind immer nur NEUE VERPACKUNG,dabei fuehlen sich welche mit 10%Kapazitaetsauslastung

   deren Potentials ( psychisch/physisch/mental/kreativ/produktiv) schon " satt~ befriedigt= es reicht !"
    Brauche nicht mehr,reicht fuers Allgemeine !

 

     

Title: Re: This forum is turning into trash
Post by: lancaIV on November 22, 2020, 02:51:47 PM
www.ntv.de (http://www.ntv.de) ,owner Bertelsmann ( zudem RTL-Group)
"EKLAT bei "Querdenken-Demo"
Rednerin mit Sophie-Scholl-Vergleich

(Widerstand des "Widerstand"-Ordners,Hut ab,ein Klein-Denker,Limitierender)
Widerstand-,Demo : als Event,Casting Show,Wer hat den Groesseren-Vergleich  !?
Geruehrt,geschuettelt ?
Mit allern (Dreck-) Wasser gewaschen !







Beginnen wir mit einem Geist-Spiel,kaeuflich erworben,70'Jahre des letzten Jahrhundert,Partner-/Gruppen,Familienspiel

Gleiche Kategorie/Disziplin : Stadt,Land,Fluss(,....)




               
                     Mister Fix,das Spiel fuer Querdenker ,dabei auch ueber-kreu(t)z denken erlaubt/nuetzlich






Wissen mit richtiger Zu-/Bei-/An- ..... ORDNUNG


Ich entnehme dem "Der Spiegel" dessen DIE GRUENEN  Co-Vorsitzendem Habeck -Artikel dessen Gesinnung :

                                                    MACHT(-Teilnahme),Oberst,   
                                                    LEGISLATIVE           

         Nach Laender-(Erst BW,dann BR(erst West,dann BR-Ost)
                                              Bundes-Er-MAECHTIGKEIT
                         nach Strassen/Schienen Sitz-Kampf,Oster-/Pfingst-/HeiligAbend-Konsum- Maerschen

                                            Im Parlament,als dessen Regierung       
                             


                                                         NEW GREEN-LAND-DEAL
Was ist erst gruen dann rot : Frosch im Mixer
Was ist erst rot dann gruen : Kupfer(Dach),Glaeubiger (Fez-Farbe)







Gebrueder Scholl, die weisse Rose : Widerstand,Machtwechsel des NSDAP-Regime !

Studenten,die waehrend der NSDAP-Gruendungszeit ueber Schueler,Abi erst zu NSDAP-Zeit-Studenten wurden ?
1.Gesinnungsphse bis 1937,obwohl pazifistische Eltern und der Wechsel nach 37 !

Wann ,worauf basierend,entstand erst " Weisse Rose"-Widerstand ,basierend welcher glaubhafter Informationsquelle,Eigenerlebnissen,Verwandtdchaft ?




     KDF      KRAFT DURCH FREU(n)DE   ( auch Gross-/Eltern als "FREU(n)E"       Freunde ermahnen,helfen


Sind Padfinder,mit Freudes-Kraft,eine gute/schlechte Vereinigung ?
Fasces: das Sonnenbuendel,alle Kraft aus einer Hand,symbolisch != Wir-Staat,immer schlecht ?
Wieviel Fasces-Staat roemischer Grund-Ordnung findet sich in allen internationalen Staatssystemen wieder ?Klassische Fascismus=Zentralstaat vrrsus Neo-Fascismus Mussolini,Hitler,Stalin,......
Politbuero-Fascismus

Kirchen-Staat-Fascismus

KdF = Volksfuersorge oder KdF~ Volksfuersorge   Alte Heimat/Neue Heimat





Nicht um Worte 'kaempfen' ,aber deren Inhalte vergleichen,Chance/Risiko Futur I,Futur II
2020 : Simulations-Software 'Bau Dir den Staat !' Qbit,mit Grundrauschen = Manipulation ( mehr/weniger)
Quantum-Computrring + K.I.~ Betriebs-Software + virtueller Welt-Geist  (R.O.M. und R.A.M.-Archive )






Wann laufen Wir wofuer mit,warum ? Un-/gewollte Mitlaeufrr,schweigende Mehr-/Minder-Heit !?


Unsere gestellten Grenzen : Ethik-Werte,Corps-Geist-Grenzen,aktiv bewusst handeln ,
im RAUSCH/EKSTASE,pur Instinktiv  !

Einmal Mitglied,immer Mitglied,kein Entrinnen ?

Ich bin gegen das .....,aber nein : dagegen habe ich nichts !
Alles oder Nichts,nur als Gesamtpaket zu erwaehlen !?   Absolut : ja= Freund nein= Feind
Ja zum Gesamtpaket = Freund Nein zum Gesamtpaket= Feind

Fatalisus
     HALTLOS,freier Fall ! Von allen Seiten innerer Widerstand !

Widerstand wegen der Shoa : dem Genozid an den national verschiedenen Juden

Co-Shoa : nebenbei Ciganos,Sinti/Roma,Kommunisten,'Auslaender,Feindshelfer,Schwule/Lesben,......,Behinderte

Holocaust:Genozid an Armenier

                                                                               MACHT und KRAFT

      der SUGGESTION
       Infiltration,sub-lime= unter-schwellige(Unter-/Bewusstsein-Pforte) Beeinflussung)


       der (NUR) WIR/UNSER -SYMBOLIK,IKONEN,Leitbilder

     der MINDERHEIT ueber MEHRHEIT vice-versa


                                                VORSEHUNG : OHN-/MACHT und KRAFT/-VERLUST
youtube video               

                                                  BABYLON BERLIN  Zu Asche und zu Staub

                                                 Tomorrowland 2012, official aftermovie





                                                               Reading "The book of wisdom" :

                                                                        Comparing,Thinking:
Keine Bananen zu sehen tomorrow-laendisch,B.-Stauden,-Absterben bezueglich,oder als Bananen-Shake ?!

 Wir koennen es ja auch Bananen-synthetisch,ueber Aromate ! Synthetische Stauden ?

       Allgemeine 'Polit-Banane-Allergie,k-/eine " alles Banane" -Zukunft ?



Zurueck zum Vergleich und Macht und Kraft :

AVA/AVE Caesar   HEIL (DIR) Caesar : unsere Zukunft zu deinen Haenden ! Tribun,spaeter Titel Diktator !

BABYLON BERLIN ( schauspielerische Spielszene,retrospektiv : das Heben des ? Armes )
Tomorrowland , .............Szene: perse- de eo ipse,gespielt ,perspektiv ' tomorrow': das Heben des ? Armes ?
       
       Caesar,Caesaria : DIE Macht : FRAUEN an die Schalthebeln,Amazonis(SIA-vid)
      Besser,gleich,schlechter ? Macht-Teilung ist fuer den MANN IMMER schlechter : AXIOM !

     Frauen,und POTENZ,das Wir Maenner : nicht/lachen !? Trucker Babes !



                                MACHT is so FUNKY is it not ? MACHT ist POTENZ,der Beste : 
           
                                     POTENTAT        (-in ,aufgrund korrekten Quoten-Quorums)



Choreography : hat man im Blut oder  ::) doch nicht,nur : die anderen tun es doch auch ! (?)

Stillgestanden,Ruehren,Stillgestanden,Ruehren -Konjunktur ( Kontradjef-Zeitspanne)

Stillgestanden,Ruehren : kennt man nen guten Praktiker ? Klaro,in was ?!


International geile Primaten-Show,datt mag I,datt erleb I ! Nicht nur 3D gruen-rot,noee: 4D !

Geistig defizient ?

On-line off
Tschau
Title: Re: This forum is turning into trash
Post by: lancaIV on November 25, 2020, 11:50:47 AM
Einen guten Morgen,Wesley !


Wissenschaft und als Vorgang - lich :
mir ist unbewusst,was Sie insgesamt als Teil der Wissenschaft,allseitig Ganzes,zu akzeptieren bereit sind,beziehungsweise das bisherige,Ihrige Leitbild und Leitgefuehl,zu aendern oder ergaenzen bereit sind !? /?!

Wissenschaft,in Frage und Antwort-Gemeinschaft,ausfuehrend anhand Beispiele :

ein altes mesopotamisches Schriftenwerk,entstammend wohl  der Region um Ur und Uruk,2020 p.C. dem Irak
zuzuordnen;
in welcher Schriftsprache erstmals ge-/be-sprochen,
in welcher zu deren Zeit gelaeufigen Sprachart & Weise insgesamt niedergeschrieben,

Tonziegel+ Runen oder Papyr-us + Runen,

so wie wir es von Assyrien herleiten,wo zudem Sumer ansaessig waren ?

Wie waren die Runen-Laute,so wie die kalaharischen Busch-Menschen Lautsprache,Knock-ing ?


Kaufen wir in E.U.-Europa Waren,so muss diese jeweils in dem fuer das Bestimmungsland gaengige und verstaendliche Sprache uebersetzt werden,interessant wohl auch fuer viele Schulkinder am Morgen,zu erfahren wie das,was diese gerade physisch essen
oder trinken,in lebensmittelrechtlich ordentlicher Sprache be-/um-schrieben wird !


Ich nehme einen Joghurtbecher eines der grossen Fillialketten Europas,exportierend ab Unternehmensstandort,heutzutage oft nur noch organisatorisch,weniger Produkt-produzierend selbstaendig und
lese Fremdschriften,ohne zu wissen wie diese korrekt ausgesprochen werden oder
zwar geschrieben ,aber nicht partiell/ganz auszusprechen ist/sind,Kontext-Groesse abhaengig !

Dieses gilt ebenso reziprok,wenn jemand wohl aus solchen,mir alltaeglich unbekannten Sprachregionen anspricht

und mir bei unbekannter Sprache
ich nicht weiss,wie wohl das Gesprochene schriftlich zu fixieren waere und im diesen Moment,
ob der mich Ansprechende mir was geben will (Weisheit,Information,hoefliches Begruessen,......)

 oder in hoeflicher Art&Weise,da nicht sofort mich tot-/bewusstlos schlagend/anschreiend und so weiter

mich ,fuer sich -seiner Ordnungs-Welt-um etwas bittet/fordert/bettelt !


Wesley,Sie bezeichnen sich zuzuordnend als "Jude ", also ueber die abrahamitische Zeit,jemand -genannt/bezeichnet- als Sem-Nachfolger,Sem(n)it,
wobei hier wohl unerheblich zu sehen ist ob direkt oder spaeter Missionierung folgend aus anderen Regionen als nur dem mesopotamischen Stammlande ,zuzurechnend das Gross-Assyrische Reich,worin das Gebiet des heutigen Israels,Libanon,Jordanien,Aegypten und 'Palaestina' zugehoerig war .

Jude,herzuleiten aus dem 'Juda' in lateinisierter Schrift,hier von links nach rechts geschrieben und gedacht !

Joghurtbecher,der europaeischen,Fillialkette: hebrew ? arabisch ?  kyrillisch ?deutsch ? franzoesisch ? englisch ?
Geschrieben !
Phonetic,Lautsprache ?

Joghurtbecher informieren ueber Sprache als Informationsinstrument,,aber nicht 'sprechend,obwohl sprechend die Sprach-Aktion darstellt !

Aktive und passive Sprache ! In Bilder und Worten und Gebaerden= Koerpersprache ~ Emoj/Emotioj

So nun : Sprache,in Silben,Raetsel behaftet ! Da nun : informativ oder deformativ !?
Runen,Silben ?,ein Raetsel fuer Forschungsoutsider ! De-Chiffrierung,De-Codierung ? Allein,Gruppe,Ikon-Lex-Dictionary~ Lex-ikon

These,Anti-,Hypo-,Para-Paren-These ?! Ueber die Zeiten,die Veraenderung des Wissens,2020 p.C. Standart !Und 5000 a.C Standart !
Wenn ich aus meinem Zimmerfenster schaue sehe ich eine Gesteinsformation,welche vor ueber 5000 Jahren ein
Teil einer Besiedlung darstellte !

Eine Besonderheit fuer die gesamte Landmasse genannt : iberische Halb-Insel,
bei derzeitigem  Forschungsstandart einzige Castell mit See-/Meeres-Naehe ,Abstand 2020 p.C +- 50 Meter !
Abstand vom Meer 3000 a.C . ? 5 Kilometer ? 10,20,..... Kilometer ?
Meeresspiegelanstieg in 5000 Jahren x Kuestentiefe + geotektonischer Sockel-an-/abstieg !?

Genannt Castel(l)o de/do Sao Paio,San Pelayo,obwohl dieser nichts mit dem Castell was zu tun hat,lebte erst in der spaeteren cristlich-maurischen Zeitepoche !
Teil des Castel(l)s ausmachend RUNEN !


5000 Jahre Kelto-Lusitanien und Assyrien Inter-Kommunikation ? Internationale Schrift-Runen ?
    Handel ueber den Seeweg ? Warenaustausch !?
Runen : von rechts nach links,oben nach unten oder umgedreht : lesen,versuchen,verstehen (koennen)
Bestand zu den Runen ein Bilder-Buch,vor 5000 Jahren ?

Zeitepochen: Vila Nova Foz Coa Felsengravuren,Altamira .........
Petrapolis,Pyramiden Gizeh,.........


FE machine : hard-ware,soft-ware     Mensch + Materialauswahl + Handkurbel + Rotationen +Zweck

Deutsch : Artikel der,die dasEnglische :Artikel the ( aber zu Substantiven IMMER se.xus Angabe maennlich,weiblich,saechlich,/neutral)






Komplizierter : Deklination und se.xus durch genus-Wandlung
die Frau,weiblich      Nicht !: ich habe es DIE Frau gegeben,sondern hier Dativ-genus= DER Frau
Ich bin mit DER Frau ausgegangen,nicht aufgrund des Dativ-genus,aber angewandtem ABLATIV : mit WEM
Das allgemeine D.I.N.-Deutsch inkorpurierte das Ablativ in den Dativ-genus,Dativ und Ablativ,(mit)wem

Der Ablativ ist HOCH-AMT-DEUTSCH-BESTAND ! HOCH-AMT-SPRACHE:LATEIN ( war in Lyceen so,Kirchenmesse)



Phonetik : a. scharfes 'd' oder weiches 'd' wann welches,wie geschrieben und oder geprochen !Die literarische Deutsch-Sprache hat,ebenso wie Franzoesisch ,Spanisch,Portugiesisch : Akzentuierung= Betonung
                  = Melodik ,den Tanz der Sprache ,erkennbar auf Notenblaetter,das cdefgahc'......
                    DoReMiFaSoLaSi Do........

                    A M A D E U S   AMA DEUS      AMADEUS    Rock me ,Amadeus 

                   Wort ! Bild ? Menschlische R.A.M. R.O.M.,in memoriam,in Gedaechtnis : Ah - Ja : Falco !

                                                                    vid audio-video-? sentio !?  Das erste Mal ? RETROSPEKTIVE
             
                 Allein,Gruppe/Discotheque/Single/LP : gehoert,getanzt ?! Wie tanzt man ' Rock me .....'
                ! youtube ' Original upRock'  original upRoll&Rock: youtube    ROCKSTEADY CREW

   
                Rock&Hose stilhalten&ruehren,nicht geschuettelt oder geruhrt
                Erste Eindruck Audio: Radio !? +++  - - -
                Erste Eindruck Video-Audio : MTV,VIVA,youtuve

               Wow,cute                   Baeh,Kraut-Rock

              Der erste Eindruck zaehlt !  8)
              Der erste Eindruck taeuscht !

             Konfutzius Philosophy ,
             erst mal einiges Wasser den Yangtse abfliessen lassen:
   
              7 Besuche,einzelne Eindruecke       Feng Shui ( karma)

            ERSTER GESAMTEINDRUCK,fur das ERSTE .......(?) 8)
     
           1000 Naechte und 1,dann hat es Zoom gemacht ( notorische Spaetzuender)

            Aeh,Klaus,gibts' dafuer ne Lage ?

                   Germanisten (Kuenstler) nutzen diese Instrumentarien (Laut-Bild-Ornamentik + gute Ton + gute Stil)
                   D.I.N.-Schueler*innen kommen kaum zu diesem Genusz,
                   ausser Fach:Musik,
                    Fach:Deutsch,Gedichte und Lyrik und Poesie,Dramen : Buchinschrift zu  zu inszeniertem Theater,
                    nach Buch oder originaer,weniger oder mehr oder persoenlichen Stil/Gefuehl/soziale Stellung
                    mit in das Schau-/Show-Stueck integrierend

                   Kleine D.I.N.-Schul-Welt Anarchos: Rapper,Humankind-napper  ;)

                   Schreiben : in der Kirche habe ich eine Kirsche gegessen

                   Sprechen,das Obige,betonend


                   Schreiben: jeder Putzmann*in ;D hat bei seinem *alternativ ihrigem Putz-Sil eine andere Art seinen
             
                                       * alternativ ihren Besenstiel in
                                       dessen * alternativ derer Weise zu benutzen oder zu greifen   


                    Sprechen,das Obige,betonend
                    Putzkolonnenfuehrer :o *In : Mach es sauber ! Mach es,sauber !

       

Grundsprache,Grund-Grammatik : LateinPhonetik des Lateins ? Vermutung ! Zu differenzieren Hoch-Latein und Nieder-Latein,regionale Dialekte



"FE Mensch" Maschine


Sich fuer vieles interessieren ,dabei nicht neutral -emotionslos-:

am Fels stehen,das Meer betrachtenVom Meer betrachtet,ein Mensch auf einen Fels stehen

Wer macht wen 'nass',zuerst ?!

Wir Menschen 'denken',Tiere 'denken',Pflanzen 'denken' Lebendiges 'denkt',Wasser'tot ? nicht denkend' ?

Ab wann ist 'das Denken' universal definiert !?

Raunenhaft,die dialektische Frage ?

? : Von recht nach links,vice-versa     Vo
n oben nach unten ,vice-versa     Von innen nach aussen,vice-versa
! : Siehe oben = ORIENTIERUNG
XYZ-KOORDINATION-S-KREU(T)Z von/zu ZEROPOINT 3D, 4d,5d,.....

Orthogonal-i-taet

Lehrer,beim Textdiktat : Punkt,Komma,Semikolon,Bindestrich,Umlaut,Doppel-Punkt ,.........
INTERPUNKTION,wird schriftlich gegeben,ich meine keiner spricht,als nicht Diktat-Geber ,bei Gespraechen:
Ich war Komma in einem Hotel Komma wobei Komma .......


Wir sprechen miteinander (fast immer : polyton und nicht monoton= bewertend +++ bis - - -) ueber Pausen oder Mimik/Gestik am Ort,zu der gegebenen Zeit,Witz/Unbehagen/Furcht/Schrecken/Stolz/Freude/Trauer/Wut und alle anderen Gefuehleeisen welche wir als Alltagserfahrungsresultat empfinden und anderen a.nicht wieder
b. wieder geben wollen/koennen/duerfen

Unsere,von der Familie,Bekannte,Freunde,Verwandte,Gemeinde,Landes- ERFAHRUNGENin Vergangenheit bis Gegenwart und wohl aehnlich-gleich-umgekehrt in Zukunft : FLEXIBILITAET

Es kommt ofter anders als erhofft : Hauptsache,es kommt = Zukunft miterleben eventuell mitgestalten


1984 youtube                        Breakin' (11/11) Movie CLIP            There's No Stopping Us
         
                             + 25 Jahre: jubile


2009  youtube                        EuroVision                 t.A.T.u.                    Not Gonna Get Us

    fuer Joghurtbecher-Leser interessant

                                                                    In lateinischem Russisch     Nas Ne Dogonyat                                       
                                                                    In griechischem Russisch   Hac he ...........

Muesste mich des griechischen Tastenalphabets bemuehen,keine Lust ! ::)


(Hac he sowieso schon Teil des griechischen,hier weniger des lateinischen, Alphabets)
 
Sprechen Russen im Alltag Latein-Russisch oder Kyrill-/Griechisch-Russisch ?
Was wird in den Sprachen geschrieben,nicht ausgesprochen,aber wie bei Autokennzeichen Leerstellen fuer einen grossen bis Riesen-Wortschatz-Potentials darstellend,aber auch KLANGFARBE,
                         Commodore Amiga : 16 000 000 Farben(-Schattierungen)
                                   

                         Wort-Farbe-Schattierung,jedem bit und Pixel Licht und Schatten



                             +25 Jahre : jubile

2034 youtube,mytube
 ;)
                                            PERSPEKTIVE
                                                     SPEKTIVE,SPEKTRUM (Bild,Erscheinung,Gespenst) +Forschung : Trend-Set/Jet Set

Mit einem freundlichem Grusse
OCWL

p.s.: original und originaer Theodor Fontane," Herr von Ribbeck zu Ribbeck im Havelland "
        zu lesen in Platt-/Nieder-Deutsch,hier spezifisch das ' maerkische platt(Havelland/Odermark),so ORIGINAL geschrieben
        oder ORIGINAER,
         uebersetzt in die allgemeine Kommunikationssprache : Hoch-Deutsch
        Vertrauen und etwaiger Verrat von und/ueber gegenseitige/folgende Generationen (mein,dein, ....... UNSER)


       Kann der 'automatic translator' Plat/-t verstehen,oder wird bei Uebersetzung rundes=flach !?
                                                           Kann ALPHABET HOCH-AMT ?

                                                      IMAGINATION : Just An Illusion !?
                   E.U.-EUREKA : language-Transponder    ( bis das es sich bei denen da unten/da oben was ruehrt ;)
Title: Re: This forum is turning into trash
Post by: lancaIV on November 26, 2020, 05:37:09 AM
10,IO
11 ,eleven, die Eleven,die E-Leben
12

12+1

(13)

 8)
? Philosophie   ! Philosophie

Philologische Denk-/Gestalt-Spiel/-Ernst :

Was darf ? Was darf !
Wer ist 'Was' ? Wer ist 'Was' !
Was darf nicht ? Was darf nicht !

Was darf ' Was' nicht ? Was darf 'Was' nicht !


        die Schonung ist schon

        Ups,das Obige ist in  -FEHLERHAFT-zu nehmen,natuerlich " die Schonung ist schoen" anstatt freizulassen ,     
         das unterlassene,Vorsatz ? oder uebliche Fahrlaessigkeit ?,  -e- nun ' schoen korrekt '


SCHOEN,  HARMONIE,lesen   Schoen schnell,schoen langsam,genuegsam schoen

                  schonend schnell,verschonend langsam
                  verschonend schnell,schonend langsam

SCHOEN,HARMONY,gestalten

Trash zu Schoen-Gestalt
Schoen-Gestalt zu Trash

Wenn es uns gut geht," Liebe das Schlechte mit !"

 Nicht nur 'gut',sondern 'BESONDERS' leben !
'Fremd-Deutsch'in-'Allgemein-Deutsch' [ ~ Staat-im-Staate,Herr-im-Herrn,Sha(h)-in-Sha(h)]




Kann 'automatic translator' Quer-/Kreu(t)(z)-'Denken' ? und Simultan-Uebersetzung erreichen ? ::)


JHS,IHS
JHW(H),JEW(E) TETRA-Graphie,4te Position Lese-Orientierungsanzeiger

Lesen,nicht ueber Mund hinaus aeussern

Sem-Vater Abraham,Avram,Auram,Asam,Aram   

  Aramaeische bzw.Semnitische)Voelker und deren Sprache
Jaeger,Sammler  Nomaden Indo-German Siedler Zuechter  Sesshaft Bevoelkerung Menge Sprache Dichte/,Masse



Kaukasisch-albanisch um den Ararat,Sprachen-Wiege 'Aram'(Bibel-Basis')
Sprache,A-Z Bild-Alphabet zurueck ueber Mesopotamien Hindukusch Sanscript Sino Korea YinYang
                Pazifische Inselwelt A Samoa / A damo  Eva/Eba/Eboa/Eborah /Ebua,12000 zuruek ~10000 a.C.
        !!! Hoehlen-/FluessSchluchten-/Felszeichnungs-Alter !!! radio-carbon Zerfall und ahnliche Zeitmesser

       Himmels-Soehne-Legende



Sichtweise als 'ew' ,'jew',IHW,,Wesley,Ober-Rab(b)i-Art und -Weise weise ?


Der 'Herr im Herr--n' (~ "Katholikat") oder ' Herr der Herren' ?(Sheik al'Sheik)

'I love philosophy',aufgrund 'Stein der Weisen' oder '(An-)Schein der Weisen' ?

Nun ein unkonventioneller Paragraph :

Was wohl unsere Gedanken-Gynaekologen ueber Wort-/Satzbildung a. dazu /b. da zu/meinen glauben zu haben,ob Fortpfanzung genehm oder gleich klinisch als a.Totgebut b.Miszgeburt mit entsprechender Folge zu deklarieren waere beziehungsweise waeren ! ?

Vokalisiert ,veraeussert: kann 'automatic translator' UN- vokalisiert/verinnerlicht uebersetzen ?

                                                         NEIN ,von links nach rechts lesend,Deutsch


' fiat lux' ~ Movie Set : Action ! ,Dreh-Buch-Szene-Uebersetzung  ,in arianisch-aram(-)isch  ;D
Licht an ! Wasser-Marsch ! ..........Imperative : Vokativ
Zu bloede heutzutage die Leutchen,Prae-Fix und Suf-Fix der Schrift deren Worte zu entnehmen oder zu geben :

                                                       zwecks Orientierung,Ordnung !


 Friedrich Nietzsche ist tot,WIR leben ( noch )

Hoch(Be)Achtungsvoll

OCWL


p.s.: a-t ( automatic translator):
 1.  ???   2. :o 3. >:( 4. :'( : Schwaecheselbsteingestaendnis ' Nix verstaehn ' : TILT !
Selbstzerstoerungs/-Schlaf-Modus : zu HOCH,nicht a-t Chargen-Klasse  ;)



Spielen um Achsen-Macht deren Macht-Achse zu .........

Eingetragenes Mitgied der A.f.M ,Alternative fuer Mich - Bewegung,MeinePartei

AfD,zu prolet-h-ar-g-isch,kaputtmachend,unkreativ bloede

Lassen WIR mal den GEIST der Verfassung zu Wort kommen : Le LOY,c'est moi !'    (.)
Nicht rechts beginnend nach ......,nicht links beginnend nach .....,vorgreifend mittig  lesend erfassend

Polygraph : Detektionsgrad,technisch : PET Positronenemissionstomographie

Wesley, 'es gibt keinen Gott'als Ihre Behauptung sollte Standpunktbedingt eroertert sein :

Trinitaner Dreifalt
Arianer     Zweifalt
!?               Einfalt
Phi ~ Magnet-Fluss
Magneton

Sie,als sich ausgewiesener'Jew' : uebersetzend GOTT,waere vielleicht eher der Nordstaat(12+)-Begriff Israelit oder Samaritaner bzw. eben der des Suedstaatlers anzunehmen zu empfehlen  !

Koennen es aber auch metamorphisch/metaphysisch saekular verstehen und anwenden,bajuawarisch:   
   
                                                            Ich kleines ich Sie begruessend :

                                                                   Gruesse Sie,GOTT Wesley !

   Aber warum ?,mein GOTT,so kleinlich ,in IHRER GROESSE,
     mich und mir 'totaler Fehlerhaftigkeit'(rezitierend : absolutely wrong)vorzuwerfen,                                     

                so bin ich doch nicht ER,der SEINES EBENBILD (gleich)
                  ME I saw as YOU,das war es dann wohl  :'( Cisme('t) 8)





                           Hilf HERR-GOTT meiner Seele,dass ich nicht (IHN ::) )............

                         ( Hob i' 1976 artig vernommen ,St.Joseps-Spital zu Speyer,Kommunion-Vorbereitung) ;)





                                 Aus roemisch-katholisch wurde eher " romantischer Eigen-Katholikat "
               




                                                                                        Als ,'shorty',Wesley:

                                                                                         Gruezi GOTTele !

                                                  Der Friede sei mit UNS !  ( ! Bin mal spendabel ,in UNS sind Sie mittendrin) ;)





"ICH BIN DER ich bin"  EL-El'ohim + Dr.phil. Joseph Murphy ("Welt-Buerger", ::) selbsternannt)



Welt-Buerger :o   So groooss,nee,bin lieber Welt-Kindlein :-[ modest Infant-il,natur'al
Bei mir durfen Yin und Yan auch in ein groesseres Becken,mehr Freiraum,Angesicht zu Angesicht,oder auch nicht
Angewandter D' + oder T'+  A-O oder A-Z          - Ismus






So nebenbei zaehlen sich mindestens 3 GOTT-Heiten (davon mindestens 1x female)gleichzeitig im "Gesamt-Judentum",nichts mit Mono-Theistik/Deismus

             HILF FRAU-GOTT meiner Seele,dass ich nicht  (  SIE,FRAU-G. am G-PUNKT ;D ) verfehle,dass .......




Wenn AT nicht MONO dann NT uebergreifend IDEM,IDEM I'slam et cetera pipapo

Bei Beachtung der Haager Konvention fuer Kulturgueterschutz ,U.N.E.S.C.O. WELT-(auch UN)KULTUR-ERBE

Sittliche und moralische Poly-Gam(e),oder Mono-Gam(e)


Fin .
Title: Re: This forum is turning into trash
Post by: Nwakuche on February 17, 2022, 06:35:38 AM
I have a free energy inverter that I designed that is based on longitudinal electrogravitic fields. Based on my research this is what Tesla used during his experiments.

Though I have not yet implemented it due to lack of funds "I need at most $500" I will post the schematics with key central explanations as to how it works.

I will just request for a free will donation of $500 dollars in binance stable coin. This will enable me to verify the schematic (,idea) and post detailed explanation as to how to build it for a layman relatively speaking.

I will do this on a new thread soon.