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Offline lancaIV

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« Reply #60 on: October 31, 2019, 03:15:50 PM »
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My next house is going to be off grid with no electrical, water or gas utilities on my acreage. As such there are no meters to read and no reason for anyone to enter my private property which would be trespassing. So once I'm up and running I will simply add FE to my basic solar setup already in place and I'm off grid with FE. It's not that difficult in my opinion once a person has a plan in place.

The cool part is I can build my house anywhere I choose no matter how remote because it's off grid. It could be on a mountain, or a lake or wherever I choose with few restrictions. My goal is freedom and independence not so much FE which is simply a means to an end.


Yes, we all can build our house everywhere : where it is allowed. !
I do not think that elsewhere in the industrialized Estates is " administrative virgin land" without restricions. !
Rural land is often NOT farm-land,making for example part from a "bio-sphere/  nature park" where to  ( new) build is forbidden or strongly conditionized. !
Also often in several countries farm-land is preserved : here in the country for example only construction allowed up 4 ha= 40000 sqm rural  land area and not making part from " national Agricultural/Ecological reservation" ! ( RAN,REN)
 Here you can buy land with river/lake border for 10000 Euros/ha and less but without construction right,also not unfixed caravans or "living container type homes"! ( Yurts,tents probably  ::) )
Camping : yes !         living for longer time : No !   :-\ Restricted " freedome"- democracy. !

The finance sector exists by increasing speculative 1€/sqm rural land to 100€/sqm " construction Land" !
+ minimum 3 sqm construction Land for 1 sqm "living area" !
Instead 3€/ sqm" living area" to pay 300 €/sqm " living area"! 297€/sqm " living area" windfall profits = 99% !

And well concepted middle class comfort DIY homes with 250 €/sqm "construction kit"- prices offered by the industrial-financial system for 1000 € and more " ready-to-live" per sqm. !
100 sqm DIY home kit +  rural land for 30000 Euros new /  120000 Euros industrial solution  !How many years have home-owner to work for 90000 € ?With rented 3d printer-help construction time for 100 sqm : 24 hours  !
Who buys "ready-to-use" has suddenly 75% price-worth difference losts. !Who finances his buy by credit has suddenly 90% price-worth - credit losts. !

Credit comfort is expensive. !

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« Reply #61 on: October 31, 2019, 11:41:06 PM »
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You are right, nobody can generate energy. What we pay for is not the energy, but the conversion. This conversion requires machines which have to be built and operated, which of course costs something. When i extend your argumentation everything should be free, because everything you can buy is made from materials which originally were 'free'. Why should i pay for metal because it comes out of the earth, and therefore it's 'free'. The same applies for oil, for food, for almost everything...

By extending my argument you have taken it completely out of context in my opinion. The context was that a waste product or loss to the environment such as EM energy cannot be owned by anyone otherwise they would be laying claim to ownership of part of the environment. As I said if I emit CO2 and you use it somewhere else I cannot claim you have stolen it because I discarded it to the environment. It is unenforceable and would never hold up in any court of law because it's absurd.

The energy companies know they have nothing to say with respect to stray EM energy which is why they spread disinformation to gullible people to prevent energy scavenging. I would love to see them in court and make them look foolish, I have no problem with it.

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It worked ?  Really ?  Why is nobody able to replicate this today ?

Well, because T.H.Moray was a genius and most people including yourself are obviously not. Moray spent 30 years of his life researching and experimenting to perfect a single device and you would presume to be smarter than him... I think not. Where do people get off thinking they can just figure this out overnight, do they think there smarter than all the Nobel prize winners as well?. In reality building a working FE device is like winning the lottery and you have to put in the time and do the proper research with an open mind to succeed. Either you have what it takes or it's just wishful thinking and you may as well take up another hobby... fishing perhaps.

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« Reply #62 on: November 01, 2019, 12:17:59 PM »
How do you know that  is for sure ? after all this is a facebook gathering for just the type of people you describe above. 'ANTS' they are all over!
negative thinking thourts.  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D .

Moray King could be your man, try reading books from positive people might help next be optimistic.

Raymondo

My point is:

There are people claiming 'overunity exists' and they are telling stories about working magnet motors, water-powered cars, and other types of devices... but when you want real proof, when you want so see it working, when you want to see construction plans, you get NOTHING. This forum is full of stuff like this, and it is repeating over and over again, but there was never a working device which could be successfully reproduced by others.  NEVER.

When i look at Moray King i also see nothing which could be actually used. He is doing research (which of course is good) and maybe he has discovered some effects which can not be easily explained (which you will always find when you are doing experiments of any kind) but as far as i could see he also has nothing which actually works and can be reproduced.

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« Reply #63 on: November 01, 2019, 11:12:26 PM »
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My point is:
There are people claiming 'overunity exists' and they are telling stories about working magnet motors, water-powered cars, and other types of devices... but when you want real proof, when you want so see it working, when you want to see construction plans, you get NOTHING. This forum is full of stuff like this, and it is repeating over and over again, but there was never a working device which could be successfully reproduced by others.  NEVER.

Overunity is often defined as "over", "unity"; one, a COP of one, therefor overunity is over a COP of 1 or 100% efficiency. Which never implied that anyone was getting something from nothing which is not the case and quite absurd. One example is a common heat pump which has a COP >1 therefore it is over-unity by definition. It does not generate heat through dissipation but rather moves heat energy through a process which many would do well to study.

I would agree the forums are ambiguous and most people don't understand the technology or even where to start hence the reason they are here. They want to get involved and make a difference which is a noble cause in my opinion.

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When i look at Moray King i also see nothing which could be actually used. He is doing research (which of course is good) and maybe he has discovered some effects which can not be easily explained (which you will always find when you are doing experiments of any kind) but as far as i could see he also has nothing which actually works and can be reproduced.

No offense to anyone but many references such as this are simply click bait, that is, oh look this person has it or look at this link which generally always leads nowhere. It's just part of the culture here where people pretend to know much more than they actually do to fit in. Not a big deal and it happens everywhere in society because it is human nature.

The trick, if you will, which I have found is to not interact so much with people who tend to drag you down to a lower level but ask questions of those you think can move you forward to a higher one. Do you understand?, just ignore the people who obviously know very little and find those who can move your understanding forward. This is not a pissing contest my friend and if you are here to improve your knowledge and understanding there are people here who can help... if you ask.

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« Reply #64 on: November 02, 2019, 01:26:30 AM »
Well, because T.H.Moray was a genius and most people including yourself are obviously not. Moray spent 30 years of his life researching and experimenting to perfect a single device and you would presume to be smarter than him... I think not. Where do people get off thinking they can just figure this out overnight, do they think there smarter than all the Nobel prize winners as well?. In reality building a working FE device is like winning the lottery and you have to put in the time and do the proper research with an open mind to succeed. Either you have what it takes or it's just wishful thinking and you may as well take up another hobby... fishing perhaps.

So if Mr. Moray spent 30 years of his life to develop a working device, and if this was successful, where are his devices now ?
Was nobody else able to replicate them ?
Did he fail to document everything and took his secrets into his grave ?

I never claimed to be smarter than anyone. I'm only asking questions.

The Moray device is only one of many. There are others as well who claimed success. But none of them could be successfully replicated. How strange is this ?

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« Reply #65 on: November 02, 2019, 03:21:06 PM »
Skywatcher you sound very angry are you angry? For an educational experiance  lookup, Moray King on youtube and learn how the masters got things to work!
as you wont find much in this thread as folk ether want to bull shit or ridicule others and think about this what's the difference with
and between 50 or 60 Hz and 50 or 60 Khz  the number of transitions in between each zero-crossing  point node it produces more energy
so what's the difference with that and zero-point energy the same thing atc a far greater frequency, now find somewhere to get it from, answer the fluctuating
background of cosmic space that bombards our planet randomly collection problem and you're there. 8) 8)



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« Reply #66 on: November 02, 2019, 08:15:25 PM »
Skywatcher you sound very angry are you angry? For an educational experiance  lookup, Moray King on youtube and learn how the masters got things to work!
as you wont find much in this thread as folk ether want to bull shit or ridicule others and think about this what's the difference with
and between 50 or 60 Hz and 50 or 60 Khz  the number of transitions in between each zero-crossing  point node it produces more energy
so what's the difference with that and zero-point energy the same thing atc a far greater frequency, now find somewhere to get it from, answer the fluctuating
background of cosmic space that bombards our planet randomly collection problem and you're there. 8) 8)



Dave Knowmore

Angry ?  Maybe a little bit...  angry about people who pretend to know or have something, but when you ask concrete questions you don't get concrete answers... angry about all the stupid stuff which is posted over and over again, where it is obvious that it can not work... angry about all the scammers etc...

We should focus on reliable information which can actually be used by others. If you have something, please post it. But please post everything, not only some vague hints with some 'if i post more some men in black will come and take me' nonsense.

You understand what i mean ?

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« Reply #67 on: November 02, 2019, 08:20:08 PM »
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So if Mr. Moray spent 30 years of his life to develop a working device, and if this was successful, where are his devices now ?
Was nobody else able to replicate them ?
Did he fail to document everything and took his secrets into his grave ?

T.H.Moray, like many inventors got involved with business people and investors. Later after going public he received death threats almost daily and was even shot by someone. Moray did document his work and wrote a great deal of literature regarding most of it however he did not disclose the critical details allowing it to be replicated.

T.H.Moray's work was carried on by Paulo & Alexandra Correa with there research of PAGD (Pulsed Abnormal Glow Discharges).
http://www.rexresearch.com/correa/correa.htm
If your looking for a starting point to research FE and build something this is by far the best place to start. Almost all credible FE devices always come full circle back to HV and plasma physics. As well the Correa's work is by far, bar none, the most well documented research you will find anywhere on the internet.

In my opinion, because of the sheer number of witnesses and countless tests done by qualified experts this device was real. Of my list of FE devices I believe were genuine and credible T.H.Moray is in the top 3. He is also one of the few inventors who wrote a great deal of literature explaining in detail how he thought the device worked and more important where he thought the energy came from. In this respect, he is at the top of the list and required reading in my opinion.

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« Reply #68 on: November 02, 2019, 09:22:10 PM »
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T.H.Moray, like many inventors got involved with business people and investors. Later after going public he received death threats almost daily and was even shot by someone. Moray did document his work and wrote a great deal of literature regarding most of it however he did not disclose the critical details allowing it to be replicated.

T.H.Moray's work was carried on by Paulo & Alexandra Correa with there research of PAGD (Pulsed Abnormal Glow Discharges).
http://www.rexresearch.com/correa/correa.htm
If your looking for a starting point to research FE and build something this is by far the best place to start. Almost all credible FE devices always come full circle back to HV and plasma physics. As well the Correa's work is by far, bar none, the most well documented research you will find anywhere on the internet.

In my opinion, because of the sheer number of witnesses and countless tests done by qualified experts this device was real. Of my list of FE devices I believe were genuine and credible T.H.Moray is in the top 3. He is also one of the few inventors who wrote a great deal of literature explaining in detail how he thought the device worked and more important where he thought the energy came from. In this respect, he is at the top of the list and required reading in my opinion.

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Well i build a PAGD way back in 2009.
I just realized that its already 10 years ago.
And even though you are right it could be the best documented device or process, it does not state anything about the source of the excess energy.
This is the same for Moray and Gray and many more, sure some have a theory but that is what anyone would expect by analyzing the set up.
So i will tell you my findings on that PAGD.
The electrodes deteriorated and it would only run for a limited amount of time before they need a replacement.
I firmly believe that the electrodes undergo a nuclear transmutation thereby releasing energy.
This means they or the material itself is the fuel that get's 'burned'
And the energy that is released is then channeled or focused by the strong electric field component.
It could be a crude way and there might be more efficient way's to generate the same effects.
And it is known that elements can undergo transmutation when they are bombarded by high energetic particles of a specific energy level.
That is certainly at work in that tube and you can see that by studying the discharge curve.

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« Reply #69 on: November 02, 2019, 10:20:55 PM »
Tesla, Edwin Gray, Correia/Chukanov, T. H.  Moray : themes from 2004 and earlier


Can their inventions be same cheap per KWh-electricity like :


https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=5&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19280203&CC=FR&NR=633752A&KC=A#
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=2&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20121009&CC=US&NR=8283799B1&KC=B1#
2 €cents/KWh. ! But uncontroled : over - and/or under Wh or Wp demand  !


Strategy "Term": Balance of Power ,not to less/to much ,but : perfect. : 100% demand serving !

A perfect off-grid organized system : 5 €cents/KWh ,global average. !

The last real barrier: high charge cycles battery/supercapacitor costs

2019 progress news :
https://www.intelligentliving.co/stanfords-cheap-bendable-aluminum-battery-charges-minute/

https://www.hotspotenergy.com/solar-batteries/price-list.php2005 Carbon AGM battery " patented or publicated "? + 17 or + 20 years grant validation   ?Next worldwide faster battery price decrease.phase !
Accelerated by supercapacitor market  entree with 10000 charge cycles and 125 US$/KWh endconsumer price. !


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« Reply #70 on: November 02, 2019, 11:38:37 PM »
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Well i build a PAGD way back in 2009.
I just realized that its already 10 years ago.
And even though you are right it could be the best documented device or process, it does not state anything about the source of the excess energy.This is the same for Moray and Gray and many more, sure some have a theory but that is what anyone would expect by analyzing the set up.

Time sure flies and I really started getting into FE around 2009.

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So i will tell you my findings on that PAGD.
The electrodes deteriorated and it would only run for a limited amount of time before they need a replacement.
I firmly believe that the electrodes undergo a nuclear transmutation thereby releasing energy.
This means they or the material itself is the fuel that get's 'burned'

Moray and Tesla mentioned Cosmic Energy as the source however few people could connect the dots. You see Cosmic Energy is the primary cause of all oscillations in matter, which causes the field/binding forces in matter, which when disturbed through fission-fusion-transmutation liberates said energy in matter. As such most theories are correct to a certain degree it's just that few could trace the primary cause of the energy back to the external environment... Cosmic Energy. We know this is true because the same effects which liberate energy from matter also cause matter to interact with the environment ie. anti-gravity effects. Ergo, it cannot simply be "nuclear" in origin because nuclear relating specifically to the atom cannot produce anti-gravity effects in itself.

As well every true genius involved in FE followed a specific learning curve. First FE effects, then FE devices, then the transmutation of matter and then a select few graduated to anti-gravity devices and other external effects such as weather modification. Therefore there must be a direct link between FE and the external environment.

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And the energy that is released is then channeled or focused by the strong electric field component.
It could be a crude way and there might be more efficient way's to generate the same effects.
And it is known that elements can undergo transmutation when they are bombarded by high energetic particles of a specific energy level.
That is certainly at work in that tube and you can see that by studying the discharge curve.

I suspect there are many ways of releasing the energy latent in matter and we need to get past the primitive notions of burning, consuming or using things up. The universe is in perpetual motion on every level, motion is energy, therefore all we need to do is transform or convert this motion/energy into a more suitable form of motion/energy.

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« Reply #71 on: November 03, 2019, 10:23:46 AM »
As well every true genius involved in FE followed a specific learning curve. First FE effects, then FE devices, then the transmutation of matter and then a select few graduated to anti-gravity devices and other external effects such as weather modification. Therefore there must be a direct link between FE and the external environment.

I dare say. 
There are at least two types of electrical power generation devices.  Devices, the first type-which uses the potential of the external environment (conversion of various fuels or capture potential, external forces).
Devices of the second type-which use the potential of the artificially created internal environment (this is the upper type, which has an engineering solution, which is based on the cyclic operation of the Archimedes lever, centrifugal forces, etc.also devices configured to perform the similarity of the Archimedes lever, but in magnetism and it is not mechanics).
I am interested in the second type of devices, which is the desired for OU.

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A small video, appropriate subjects. The author claims that the technology is from the past of the Communist Soviet Union.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SEAZPmnEa0

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« Reply #72 on: November 03, 2019, 02:14:59 PM »
Well that gray tube looks like an open air Crooks tube and i can see the same thing the bombardment of an element with high energetic particles but it also looks like the crudest way or a brute force way to do it, just generate as much sparks as possible to get some of it just right.
Of course this ties into gravity because its the direct conversion of matter into energy so the fuel element will lose weight and whoever say's that is not gravity related  ::)

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« Reply #73 on: November 03, 2019, 02:58:39 PM »
Well that gray tube looks like an open air Crooks tube and i can see the same thing the bombardment of an element with high energetic particles but it also looks like the crudest way or a brute force way to do it, just generate as much sparks as possible to get some of it just right.
Of course this ties into gravity because its the direct conversion of matter into energy so the fuel element will lose weight and whoever say's that is not gravity related  ::)
  Wrong gravity is the most understood can of worms going it's about electrical charge, as above so below the egeptions discovered that hundreds if not thousands of years ago.

the planet is like a huge atom with the electron which is the same way the atom is held together around its center o0nce you got to the earths center you would lose the pull.

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« Reply #74 on: November 03, 2019, 03:09:48 PM »
  Wrong gravity is the most understood can of worms going it's about electrical charge, as above so below the egeptions discovered that hundreds if not thousands of years ago.

the planet is like a huge atom with the electron which is the same way the atom is held together around its center o0nce you got to the earths center you would lose the pull.

Explain to me how there is no link between the amount of mass and gravity.

Explain to me how your car with a filled gas tank is equally heavy as your car with an empty gas tank.
Are you sure about that ?

 

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