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Offline wistiti

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Re: This forum is turning into trash
« Reply #15 on: October 24, 2019, 05:49:59 AM »
Skywatcher,  you should have persisted with POC (bucking coil)...

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« Reply #16 on: October 24, 2019, 07:41:32 AM »
[цитата автора=ссылка на skywatcher=тема=18340.msg539884#msg539884 дата=1571862610]
может быть, если вы хотите, чтобы ввести энергию в электросеть. Для этого Вам необходимо одобрение поставщика электроэнергии.

Но вы можете построить свое собственное радио, свой собственный пылесос, стиральную машину, цепную пилу... до тех пор, пока вы не отдадите его другим, никто не сможет запретить это. Конечно, вы также можете построить генератор энергии для питания ваших устройств. - А почему бы и нет ? И есть тысячи сообщений на этом форуме, утверждающих, что некоторые люди уже используют такие устройства, хотя я не верю в это без каких-либо доказательств.

Возвращаясь к теме этой темы: я также вижу, что этот форум (а также другие с той же темой) идет под уклон с нескольких лет. Для этого есть простая причина: почти все, что публикуется-это повторения старых идей, которые не работали много лет назад, не работают сейчас и не будут работать в будущем. Все те же старые и скучные вещи Бедини повторяются в 100-й раз, кристаллические ячейки (которые не становятся лучше, когда вы называете их "zpe battery"), магнитные двигатели и т. д. так далее. Я не видел здесь ничего нового, по крайней мере, с 5 лет.


Там уже нет даже интересных аферистов. ::)
[/цитата]

Grain is, but not exactly. Yes, indeed - the forum is not a school for beginners, anyone have to use their knowledge, or to learn.  New, waiting for? And in the old well understood? In the Russian-language segment (OU), the bulk of ideas and discussions migrated to such resources as Telegram, Skype. More and more dissipated.This same forum, as for example Russian (https://x-faq.ru), or American (http://www.energeticforum.com/) are a great repository of ideas and knowledge, and in any library there are valuable documents and comics.

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« Reply #17 on: October 24, 2019, 01:40:44 PM »
energy stream : ( Thermal Airfoil) Turbine
    "Turbine" alternatives : motor-generator couple,static dynamic transformer,MHD/EMD

https://patents.google.com/patent/US20110097209A1/en
Images : Figure 12
                                              the internal process ratio
From under-unity : input > output    to overunity : input < output     to overunity max.     to overunity max decrease


Let us assume : conventional motor( input) and output( generator) coil windings





"wistiti : POC( Partnered Output Coils and PIC ,I= Input = 2 or more primary + 2 or more secondary coils)" :
                               
                                             for "Turbine (motor-generator/static dynamic transformer)"

motor( input) savings by double coils windings ( non/capacitive)

https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/originalDocument?FT=D&date=20080812&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP&CC=US&NR=7411363B2&KC=B2&ND=4#

https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=10&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20110609&CC=DE&NR=112009002191A5&KC=A5#

Turbine Figure 12 input-output  ratio change  ?




generator double coil winding (POC):

https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=de&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.arestov.de%2Findex.php%2Fde%2Felektromotoren%2Fwindenergie

Below the diagram "Advantages of electric generators with combined (wind) power windings :
                                                                        BEFORE/AFTER
                                      " Example : A wind turbine with nominal 400 Watt....... "


                                          Turbine process operation improvement
               


Turbine Figure 12 input-output ratio only with generator double windings  ?

Turbine Figure 12 input -output ratio with motor and generator double (POC) coils rewinding. ?


Compared with heatpump ( + heat2electricity converter)  input-output ratio. !



Thermodynamic process comparison. ! Carnot process ,also guilty for electrodynamic circuits. !
Tesla Turbine !




These are free available documentation about conventional technology changes and new concepts implementation   !




         
             Step-by-step : from little success to 100% solution on demand. !





Manko/malus " Thermal Airfoil Turbine" : the consumer does not order the turbine output. !                                                                       :  input-output unfixed - load related !

No electric consumer demand related inrush voltage and/or inrush current phase/-s controle. !
1 load up to conventional dozens of stand by/active electric appliances in private households or business or electric cars today. !

                         
                                  A TECHNICAL MUST : on-/offgrid network management. !

input inrush current/voltage + output inrush current/voltage output controle and energy management. !

 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inrush_current  Watt nominal / Watt peakmax. / Wattpeakaverage






There is a future fixed  program by the E. U. -administration for the E.U.- member estates  :


Nearly zero energy building : room air conditioning + warmwater
Net zero energy  building.    :     "".     "".                            "".         "".        by in situ renewable energy plant/ energy parc
Zero energy building.            :  room air conditioning + warmwater + electric appliances  "".    "".      "".     ""


= 100% energy providing decentralisation = mostly off-grid society



ARMCORTEX, September25,2019 :
I do not need an "own mind",to work out the clear defined E. U. -program for the next decades is work enough for 475 millions E. U. - citizens. !

Down with energetic over-consume ( makes part from the E. U. -program,; max.   allowance of electric appliances consume)

Given example : from 18000 + Watt electric to +- 3000 Watt electric demand per day diminuation                             
                                                      INTELLIGENT HOUSEHOLD
https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.oeko-energie.de%2Fenergieberatung%2F

                          Now, using your personal artificial intelligence : 
Designing your future household daily energy management :
Vertical line up : Wattpeak
Horizontal line :  for the 24 hours day

with/- out electric appliances function timer

The given example : 3000 Wh per day electricity demand delivered by 1500 Watt/1000 Watt or less nominal electricity generator. ?


Calculation caution :  using f. e.  micro-wave owen ( not recommended ! by the oeko-energie.de-listening) 

                                        750 Watt nominal : Wattpeak = SEVERAL THOUSANDS WATT
                                       
                                         but only 1 minute function = 750 Watt/60 minutes = 12,5 Wh consume



Is the www.mtbest.org  800 Wh electric appliances consume per day for the "emerging markets countries" more representative ? +- 7000 mio private household capitas




Household Wattpeak network management
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19950529&CC=ZA&NR=9407569B&KC=B#

On-/Offgrid-power pack with load demand controle :
https://patentauction.com/patent.php?nb=9456


#16 : " Yes, indeed, this forum is not a school for beginners,........  ;)

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temptation trial : error/success  + each stage - load related- inrush voltage/current  observation

Electricity amplifying /generating cascade concept : nominal values


To load(-s)/ consumer(-s) :


3rd stage : https://patentauction.com/patent.php?nb=11462.                                 AC input and AC output

2 nd stage conventional generator + inverter ( AC output)  or alternator ( AC output)
or
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=14&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20171229&CC=MY&NR=164491A&KC=A#


1st stage :
 https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=3&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19951107&CC=US&NR=5463914A&KC=A#

Optional : to 1st stage
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=1&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19940318&CC=FR&NR=2695768A3&KC=A3#


1 Wh electric energy storage per day for up to 3000 Wh amplyfied AC electricity delivery per day

Low temperature nuclear fission generator/capsule :
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=5&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19280203&CC=FR&NR=633752A&KC=A#
12 V x 1,5 Ampere x 30 hours = 540 Watthour compared 365 days x 1 Wh per day demand = 365 Watthour


This forum is not for " sleeper". !







 Project and design about 100 sq living area = over 78 sqm expanded family living area  www.fas.org housing

program, "morphed/compressed" to 40 sqm living area,

https://www.google.com/search?q=youtube+morphed+apartment&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-m
    ~ http://mobilchalet.de  XXL= autonomous living equipment : zero energy building standart
                                                                                                               + zero water building standart


Energy source option;: daily household capita trash/waste/junk/sewage to energy by plasma-incineration ( Dioxine-free)

From "Minimalism" : 1-2 capita per living-box/capsule
https://www.jovoto.com/projects/300house/ideas

https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.zeit.de%2F2010%2F20%2FTechnik-im-Trend-Wohncontainer
+
          https://www.archdaily.com/202283/polikatoikea-filipe-magalhaes-and-ana-luisa-soares
+          http://microcompacthome.com/
+
          https://www.ecocapsule.sk/
to
https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spacebox

https://www.archdaily.com/110745/ad-classics-nakagin-capsule-tower-kisho-kurokawa   20 sqm single box
to
http://www.livingbox.it/
to
International social family housing competition       http://www.wohnmodelle.at/index.php?id=77,68,0,0,1,0/
-----------------------------------------------------
They received 500.000 Euros for the " autonomous living box"- prototype  !
https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.zeit.de%2F2010%2F20%2FTechnik-im-Trend-Wohncontainer
Can the same living comfort effect not become realized with 5000 Euros or less investment.  ?
 Basic ( transportable )  http://www.geolitesystems.com/hm.html " HomeMaker"  module. + sleep modul r+
living modul + work modul + .........
https://www.jovoto.com/projects/300house/ideas/12735 as " bath modul ". ?
https://books.google.pt/books?id=aOIDAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA107&lpg=PA107&dq=glen-l+trailer+kitchen&source=bl&ots=NATJH91yS8&sig=ACfU3U1S9Wzy3HFzV-46v0kVbZsudaPYKg&hl=de&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiIgIbfsbXlAhUK0uAKHegMBIA4ChDoATABegQICBAB#v=onepage&q=glen-l%20trailer%20kitchen&f=false

http://www.geolitesystems.com/ti.html
https://www.glen-l.com/campers/queensbury.html   up to 6 adults in a trailer.


The decades old compact living caravan and Yacht space organization and approved living standart ( trailer parcs) is the prototype for future autonomous living. !
« Last Edit: October 24, 2019, 07:29:12 PM by lancaIV »

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« Reply #18 on: October 24, 2019, 10:00:22 PM »
Hi all, Hi wistiti, thanks for the suggestion, though I'm skywatcher on the other forum, and since I didn't want to change my name, I had to add 123 to the end of name here.


The other skywatcher user name is not me.

I'm working on a device at the moment, where I can easily try the partnered-bucking coil method again and I may just do that.

Are you still working on it wistiti and if so, how are your results.peace love light :) 

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« Reply #19 on: October 25, 2019, 02:45:55 AM »
Concerning the forums(s) turning into trash.
I have found we only get back as much as we put into something however many have decided not to share.
« Last Edit: October 25, 2019, 06:10:56 AM by onepower »

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« Reply #20 on: October 25, 2019, 06:47:45 AM »
Concerning the forums(s) turning into trash.
I have found we only get back as much as we put into something however many have decided not to share.

70-80% of enthusiasts do not visit such sites at all and do not take part in dialogues, information sharing, discussions.
Here is an example of such an enthusiast.

Generator from Valery Valka (Zhytomyr, Ukraine), a successful sample at 500 rpm has an output power of 0.8 kW. In this case, there is no traditional braking of rotation, with the induction of current in the connection "star". There is no such effect as magnetic adhesion at the star.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=mCKMcJFke_U

http://lipo.ece.wisc.edu/2014pubs/2014-10.pdf


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« Reply #21 on: October 25, 2019, 12:37:42 PM »
rakarsky,you are right to show specific differences - lower than common rpm- generator related !

For the other side : when a well engineered AC output ( Helmut Schiller )  1 KW/ 3000 RPM generator weights in average  1 kg( with supermagnets) then with 1500 RPM ~ 2 Kg with 750 RPM ~ 4 Kg ( this the common small windgenerator rpm level) and with 500 RPM ~ 6 Kg material input. !

Enthusiasts as individuals can probably afford such higher material investment, but not the average society member. and less the billions of 1-2 $ up to 10$  per day planet Earth habitants !

To conclude a 365/24 permanent working energy converting device in the 1000$/€ range is relatively easy,
the break-even is to construct a 365/24 permanent or periodically  energy converting device in the 250$/€ and less endconsumer price level !
1990-2015 :

many thought that Neodym/Samarium would be the holy grail about " perpetuum mobile" : No  !Other the Fleischmann-Pons " cold fusion"- flasc : No. !Wind and thick film solar cells ! No !
Hydrogen. ! No !

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« Reply #22 on: October 25, 2019, 12:57:34 PM »
To conclude a 365/24 permanent working energy converting device in the 1000$/€ range is relatively easy,
the break-even is to construct a 365/24 permanent or periodically  energy converting device in the 250$/€ and less endconsumer price level !

Everything in the world has its price, while in different parts of the world different prices and opportunities. This is the illusion of an ultra-low price for the device. Even if you do it yourself (except when the components are found in a landfill, without payment) it costs money, time and professionalism . Therefore, we can only talk about components, the language is technical, and the pricing policy will always be different for the region and the individual.

The truest thing in the construction of such a device is the traditional knowledge of physics, and engineering savvy. Knowledge in energy and various disciplines to perform the task.

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« Reply #23 on: October 25, 2019, 01:28:53 PM »
rakarsky,

actual conventual electric device components costs

and a. manufacturing.    b. production   c. b2b/ b2c  price decrease potential :
 up to 75% per Kg less

 f.e transformer

iron core :
http://www.rexresearch.com/markov/markov.htm
https://www.electronicsweekly.com/news/research-news/magnetically-soft-magnetic-alloy-not-expensive-physically-hard-2019-04/

coil winding concept :
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20010710&CC=US&NR=6259347B1&KC=B1#
Primar- y/ies and Seconar-y/ies wiring coil/foil material  :
Instead copper coil /foil: copper world market price / different copper coil diameter and length Kg price. ?
 Sodium coil
graphit coil,graphene foil
Aluminium coil/foil.                     

 low cost aluminium production process price :
7,5KWh/Kg electricity a 2,5 US$cents/KWh compared actual 15KWh x 5US$cents/KWh :

1 Kg new aluminium < 0,75 US$ instead industrial average 1,25US$/Kg
Aluminium coil production price by 0,75 US$/Kg material costs : 10-5 US$ per Kg ( diameter dependent)


Markov iron core :  Hz-max. ?
https://www.greencarcongress.com/2007/10/plastic-bonded-.html
Conventional E+I trafo-core, 26 Kg pack : < 5 US$/Kg b2b

New  industrial ferrit-nitrogen magnets production process :
https://arpa-e.energy.gov/?q=slick-sheet-project/iron-nitride-based-magnets
https://www.designworldonline.com/coming-revolution-high-strength-magnets/ 
  10 US$/Kg announced 8) first arpa spin-offs :
 https://nironmagnetics.com/#about
https://fenixmagnetics.com/


https://overunity.com/17176/electro-magneto-dynamic-carnot-cycle/

#4 : powerguru : planar transformer 23$/5 KW in 10000 units production serie/charge
                              question : 5 KW planar transformer power density as KW/Kg ratio. ?

                                                 23 US$/ ? Material weight ?

I would like to see " motor and generator and transformer" - kits in a box, componenents locally 3d-printed like in the image here :
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=14&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19870624&CC=FI&NR=865263A&KC=A#
friction parts easy changeable and these parts refurbish/ recycle-able,also locally !

In Europe(Western") the electrician( with master-degree to be allowed to have a shop/office) in our consume-ware drop away society is a morbid profession.,repair/components offices/shops you will only find in greater cities  !And often the repair service : bad and expensive after the warranty validation . ! Service quality warranty  ?  :P "KULANZ" ???


1 Euro industrial mass production piece as hifi spare part sells for more than 30 Euros in electronic shops. !
 Not far away from the total device selling price. ! Consequence : drop away !
Repair time costs per hour : 25-50 Euros + spare part costs           

      device worth. ?

https://www-spof.gsfc.nasa.gov/Education/wfluor.html
« Last Edit: October 25, 2019, 03:41:53 PM by lancaIV »

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« Reply #24 on: October 25, 2019, 04:53:56 PM »
rakarsky,
actual conventual electric device components costs
and a. manufacturing.    b. production   c. b2b/ b2c  price decrease potential :
 up to 75% per Kg less

Absolutely agree! I did not specify the production and service! Therefore, the motto is relevant to this day: "in our time, to get your hands on a generator of free energy, you need to do it yourself."

The most interesting thing is that it is necessary not to break the Law. Or do it secretly, without arousing suspicion.
You can also make that the law will be no complaints. Only energy suppliers at a loss.
If you have your own amount of energy, then this amount they will not sell you.
For the puppeteers of the consumer market, household energy independence is evil.


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« Reply #25 on: October 25, 2019, 05:15:44 PM »
rakarskiy
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Absolutely agree! I did not specify the production and service! Therefore, the motto is relevant to this day: "in our time, to get your hands on a generator of free energy, you need to do it yourself."

The most interesting thing is that it is necessary not to break the Law. Or do it secretly, without arousing suspicion.
You can also make that the law will be no complaints. Only energy suppliers at a loss.
If you have your own amount of energy, then this amount they will not sell you.
For the puppeteers of the consumer market, household energy independence is evil.

My next house is going to be off grid with no electrical, water or gas utilities on my acreage. As such there are no meters to read and no reason for anyone to enter my private property which would be trespassing. So once I'm up and running I will simply add FE to my basic solar setup already in place and I'm off grid with FE. It's not that difficult in my opinion once a person has a plan in place.

The cool part is I can build my house anywhere I choose no matter how remote because it's off grid. It could be on a mountain, or a lake or wherever I choose with few restrictions. My goal is freedom and independence not so much FE which is simply a means to an end.

Regards

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« Reply #26 on: October 25, 2019, 05:26:05 PM »
rakarskiy
My next house is going to be off grid with no electrical, water or gas utilities on my acreage. As such there are no meters to read and no reason for anyone to enter my private property which would be trespassing. So once I'm up and running I will simply add FE to my basic solar setup already in place and I'm off grid with FE. It's not that difficult in my opinion once a person has a plan in place.

The cool part is I can build my house anywhere I choose no matter how remote because it's off grid. It could be on a mountain, or a lake or wherever I choose with few restrictions. My goal is freedom and independence not so much FE which is simply a means to an end.

Regards

Very happy for you! There are many ways to achieve energy independence. It is much easier for a household on its land, in its home, from the point of view of the law. Question how many people in Europe live in their homes and on their land? They, too, want to name their, let a small, but energy independence.

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« Reply #27 on: October 26, 2019, 02:19:14 AM »
To #17 : www.oeko-energie.de intelligent household 3000 Watth per day electric appliances average consume
               and mtbest.net       800 Watth daily electricity consume

https://nantenergy.com/zinc-air/   

   Small user 450Wh/day.                      Medium user 1000 Wh/day.                                        Heavy user 3000 Wh/day

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« Reply #28 on: October 26, 2019, 02:24:55 AM »
1400 KWh/sqm solar radiation per annum and a 60% thermionic cell efficiency : 840 KWh per annum electricity       
                     1 sqm thermionic cell conversion gain per day a.  spring-summer b.  autum-winter

a.  1/2 year 2/3 from 840 KWh = 560 KWh / 183 days  ~ 3 KWh per day
b. 1/2 year 1/3 from 840 KWh = 280 KWh x 1,5 ( Mirror) = 420 KWh / 183 ~ 2,3 KWh per day



So 1,5 sqm = 2,3 KWh x 1,5 = 3,45 KWh and theoretically for each day the " HEAVY USER" or intelligent household

3000 Wh/day demand satisfied !   

Without mirror : 2 sqm thermionic cells for daily - in theoretical average - minimum 3 KWh radiation to electricity conversion .

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« Reply #29 on: October 26, 2019, 11:54:25 AM »
This is what the real calculation looks like, for an Autonomous household, based on September 2019 figures.    (Real household indicators: 5 people, electric stove, water heater)


 

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