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Offline stivep

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Re: This forum is turning into trash
« Reply #90 on: November 14, 2020, 10:09:38 PM »
Something about me:
1. I intended to give out  for free FE device to the world.
    However I had no idea how to do it in 2009.

2.I invested money and  now I have two incredible labs.
    That was noticed by some Russians and 3 times I was close to no longer be among  you guys.
3. Easiness to  acquire  tools, instruments, made me to  collect tools I don't need for FE but it was tempting.   
    Some of these tools required  some work , till I  got to the level where is to much of that .. and it interrupts my  primary direction.

4.Finally I  did it .I build the device that didn't work but Dr Hans  made it to work and now I depend  on someones mood and decision to release it.
  The obligation is  strictly   of emotional value and I can do it at any day and any  time.
  The conclusion is that:
- values we were  shaped with , to obey, in our social world,are wrong for business and wrong for progress.
- cultivating   respect, morals , trustfulness, fairness,  is good for  selfsame  individual who has his own set of rules but he doesn't want get out of its brackets.

5.My partner is  younger but not as much younger  than me.
   He behaves  like teenager having brain and  scientific value of high level educator,
   He is conflicting with my freedom of sharing information.

6. Let's assume that FE is released  by me or my partner today.
  Should I care what will happen to  the world of human animals after they  multiply due to easiness of life and destroy   
  world ability to support food supply for overpopulated idiots?

7. My secrets are not secrets , I published most of information on my part of forum.
   Skilled experimenter  can easily do what I did and Dr Hans is not needed any longer.

question:
 is it good or bad that  you dear  readers are  lazy, unmotivated  and not willing to  educate yourself in the
 area that needs  possibly 3 weeks  of additional learning by simply reading
 and not much more than that?


The  two Tesla coils to  learn A to B  energy transfer  takes 2 days to build.
The next step is extracting energy from Schumann Waveguide.
The VNA helps a lot  but Dr Corum didn't  use it.
The spectrum analyzer  helps even more but Dr Corum didn't  use it.
Kapanadze was  even more primitive in it and created  more advanced device than Dr Corum.

question :
what is your personal value level at..
is it lesser  in value than that uneducated in electronics architect  Tariel Kapanadze  who didn't  even graduate  college ?
How do you think  you would  describe yourself  and your potential ?
Should  you be disappointed with crowd around you?
or should crowd around you reject you for low performance?
 
what makes you valuable to yourself ?

Wesley
« Last Edit: November 15, 2020, 12:12:48 AM by stivep »

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Re: This forum is turning into trash
« Reply #90 on: November 14, 2020, 10:09:38 PM »

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Re: This forum is turning into trash
« Reply #91 on: November 14, 2020, 10:40:17 PM »

I have got first response:
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Ask the guys on your forum do they  they watch TV?
wasting time, on garbage in TV,  is like eating fast food)
So ask them how often they been to Burger King or McDonald ?
Waste of time and waste of potential is likely visible from observer stand point?
Wesley  why do you care?
How many diamonds did you find in your life?
Let them be who they want to be.
Wesley

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Re: This forum is turning into trash
« Reply #92 on: November 14, 2020, 11:29:12 PM »

4:
Kelly forum and Kelly's  library is gone .
what would be next?

It looks unchanged to me.



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« Reply #92 on: November 14, 2020, 11:29:12 PM »
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Re: This forum is turning into trash
« Reply #93 on: November 14, 2020, 11:59:29 PM »


question:
 is it good or bad that  you dear  readers are  lazy, unmotivated  and not willing to  educate yourself in the
 area that needs  possibly 3 weeks  of additional learning by simply reading
 and not much more than that?



You must understand that you are a very high level thinker and that most of us on this board cannot keep up unless you make it relatively very accessable indeed, starting at the beginning and proceeding, as the Americans would say, in bite sized pieces.

If John Bedini did one thing very well it was enabling almost complete beginners to make his energiser, the "School Girl" device. (After all, the eponymous the school girl did it, with the front wheel of her brother's bike).
Working along his lines should get results.


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Re: This forum is turning into trash
« Reply #94 on: November 15, 2020, 12:04:13 AM »
It looks unchanged to me.
can you contribute to that library?
can you interact with it?
The library is closed and you can only see the door knob..till it'll vanish as nobody pays for server  any longer.
respond to this  please:
https://overunity.com/18340/this-forum-is-turning-into-trash/msg553174/#msg553174



Wesley
 

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Re: This forum is turning into trash
« Reply #95 on: November 15, 2020, 12:04:34 AM »
The right tools to the right mens                                                       
             
                                                               Andrew Carnegie

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Re: This forum is turning into trash
« Reply #96 on: November 15, 2020, 12:11:30 AM »
can you contribute to that library?
can you interact with it?
The library is closed and you can only see the door knob..till it'll vanish as nobody pays for server  any longer.

Wesley
You can see into the rooms which are frozen - not updated - but I share your concerns. In my view, the biggest worry is that someone will be given control and will alter things in a way Patrick would not want. It could get fouled up. I wonder if you, personally, would care to contact whoever responds to his email address and have a chat.


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Offline stivep

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Re: This forum is turning into trash
« Reply #97 on: November 15, 2020, 12:23:11 AM »
I wonder if you, personally, would care to contact whoever responds to his email address and have a chat.
No i will not.
Someone is possibly expecting monetary value to take over  Kelly's  leftover.


respond to this  please:
https://overunity.com/18340/this-forum-is-turning-into-trash/msg553174/#msg553174

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5:
 is there any way to  download/ store information from particular topic and how to do it ?

Wesley

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Re: This forum is turning into trash
« Reply #98 on: November 15, 2020, 12:38:46 AM »

5:
 is there any way to  download/ store information from particular topic and how to do it ?

Wesley
Back in the days of DOS, one would have written a batch file which would do something along the lines of this: Go to the thread/topic and for x  = 1 to [last page], save page x. Then concatenate page 1 to page [last page]. Of course, the board's maker, Simple Machines, may have done this routine already.


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Re: This forum is turning into trash
« Reply #99 on: November 15, 2020, 01:54:45 AM »
Quote from wesley

6. Let's assume that FE is released  by me or my partner today.
  Should I care what will happen to  the world of human animals after they  multiply due to easiness of life and destroy   
  world ability to support food supply for overpopulated idiots?
end of Quote

The sun and the rain allready offer us this choice.
That choice is not in my or your hands.

Humanity can and may do this even without free energy. 
If humanity does this it would not be your fault.

Quote from wesley
question :
what is your personal value level at..
is it lesser  in value than that uneducated in electronics architect  Tariel Kapanadze  who didn't  even graduate  college ?
How do you think  you would  describe yourself  and your potential ?
Should  you be disappointed with crowd around you?
or should crowd around you reject you for low performance?
what makes you valuable to yourself ?

end of Quote

We were born with a profound valuing of self. 
                                 This is the light in every child's eyes.

The ways of our fellow man, has indoctrinated us into the the belief
that our value is not inherent, but rather that it must be earned.....

I asked a similar question/s here at O.U. forum

Quote from LankaIV (as I recall it, he wrote)
                 Change always comes with conflict.
end of Quote

To be in disappointment is arrogance.  I / we all sometimes suffer it.

 Peace be with you
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Re: This forum is turning into trash
« Reply #100 on: November 16, 2020, 12:38:21 PM »
If you have nothing to build, nothing clearly defined on your bench or in your mind that you can show, why are you here?
This is the question that started this topic more than a year ago.
I am here because of lancaiv, he is my hero. Thanks for all you shared over the years (also at the German OU forum).
Yes, I am curious and that is driving my research and practical projects. My machines have achieved 30 microwatt energy consumption and I am on the way to nanowatts. I am satisfied with the extreme efficiency of this machines running on some solar energy (free not stolen!) and supercap storage. One machine is running for over a year now. When I enter my lab seven machines are non-stop running at the windowsill. The longer they run the more they become an entity, a work of art.
It is hard to say what the added value is of this forum. I follow a couple of contributors and themes, thats all.

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Re: This forum is turning into trash
« Reply #101 on: November 16, 2020, 02:04:34 PM »
I am at this forum for 13 years now.
A regular visitor.
The response was very poor.
So, why sharing?
good education comes from need of understanding things on this forum,so you read,watch, analyze, and than you know more.
Value of  my lab equipment was millions when new.
I have learned how to  buy it very cheap , sale some of it for  a lot of money and still be cheaper than  others.
I used this money to buy more  and I gained  knowledge and value that cost me at the end
LESS than  ZERO.
So yes in economy there is  overunity ..It exists.
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But what is left from all of it is knowledge how to turn around and make better life
for yourself even if you never  saw FE or made one.
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The skills and ideas comes from this forum for many of you..
for me it was both..
Knowledge I previously had
+
knowledge I gained
+ money spend on equipment
= money  gained
= good life and 2 labs and satisfaction
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so what is your gain if you do the same?
-you'll have plenty of tools to  perform work for others ,
-or small production
-incredible knowledge of that what  may make your life better or much better.
- new ideas or patents
- feeling  that  others around you differ so much  that you now feel like having a value they don't have
  and I say it again :
to make  your life better or much better or just incredibly better.
or to make it easier ..like me here now.
Don't need  much and don't need to work to much..
As I accumulated enough now.
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 - the goal is to work 5 minutes to make more than others who work 10 hours per day..
   and thanks to this forum  few years from now you may be able to  do so even if you never made FE.


I did make  both..

Wesley

 

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Re: This forum is turning into trash
« Reply #102 on: November 16, 2020, 06:57:10 PM »
    By which : spirit ,Wesley ?
How many years back ? overunity.com changed the provider/server,all forum information/communication from this period anymore get-able !Probably with searchmachine available ~ archive.org function use

You wrote,several time back,that You,as US-americam got equipment - new in million US$ price level-- used and to the tenth/hundreth part of the commercial price from an estatal institution !
US-american,selling to none-US citizen not allowed ! A. protection b.discrimination !

As member here,with or without a virtual globe in mind !?Solution for actually 8 Bio.,4 Bio.,1 Bio.,100 000 ,10 000,100,10 humans/habitants ,only for each individual ' ME ' !?

Bezos,Gates,Buffet : they ( we can include the next thousand billionaers worldwide ) are not rich enough for ' wealth to all' !

Change will be when rich feel surplus-richdom and help poors with sur-plus-poorness !
Not demand change ,only a win:win feel and to see that this is real,not utopical !

Often our own behaviour let us become ' undefined' rich or ' undefined' poor !
Where - benchmark begins which level !?
Many humans die each day by ' crime',physical energy source non-related !
Is the a couple divorce caused by no FE availability ?
War between countries cause energy ,no-FE owner-ship?

At first global FREE MIND ( parliamentary TAKEN FOR GRANTED ) or FREE ENERGY !?

Sincerely

Offline stivep

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Re: This forum is turning into trash
« Reply #103 on: November 16, 2020, 10:27:09 PM »
Wesley ?
You wrote,several time back,that
You,as US-americam got equipment - new in million US$ price level-- used and to the tenth/hundredth part of the commercial price from an estatal institution !
US-american,selling to none-US citizen not allowed ! A. protection b.discrimination !
You need to understand American system.
We are country of laws.
The quality of equipment is   making it often valuable after 30 years in service.
We are oversaturated  with everything.
There is not enough buyers for used equipment.
Institution buys equipment for given experiment or study and they can sale it after that.
The money they lost in  sale they recover  in taxes so they don't care much for how much it sales.
For USA important is that this organization buys again newer and better.
The manufacturer  made money along with distributor and everyone pays taxes.
Secondary owner/buyer  pays taxes and have use for it.
It  doesn't matter how much you pay for it and  how much you sale it for.
So  million dollars in value equipment (when it was purchased,) - can be sold for few dollars and than resold for much more
as long as you pay tax from it.

Wesley ?
selling to none-US citizen not allowed ! A. protection b.discrimination !
No my friend.
This is the privilege  of us  The Americans.
We pay our  American taxes, not you and we have rights to benefit from our American system.

You don't belong to my American family
Why should I support your  children and your wife and your lover?
Ask Your German government  why they don't support us Americans...the same way..
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If there is any restriction on resale or sale limiting it  to :
 -"sold to USA citizen only" , than you must obey it.
Most of buyers (if there is any buyer) keep it for  many years , so do I.
If I resale  equipment for whatever it can be sold for, and I use this money to purchase  another  equipment I pay not tax, other than sales tax.
But my net gain can be many times more,
so even after  I pay the tax  I'll still have plenty of money to buy more of the equipment
I can not stop buying  because  tax is paid from profit  if there is any.
Our system in USA  makes homeowners to buy more and more houses just to avoid  any gain,
we simply can not stop buying..
If institution organization or business had spend more money that they made in that given tax period
- they not only don't pay tax but they may claim  compensation of their losses.
Trump didn't pay any tax for around 20 years and it was legal.
US government  got:
-personal tax from Trump and his employees, 
-sales tax from  buyers of goods or services from Trump business.
-every of his clients spend money  in Trump hotels, restaurants and  City of New York.
- taxi, hear dresser, subway system,  grocery, gas, electrical service.. all of it pays tax..
  and all of this is paid by Trump guests.
Wesley

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« Reply #104 on: November 16, 2020, 11:34:33 PM »
You pay everywhere tax,not only in the US ! ::)

About what you write is economically called ' amortization'
you can reduce your tax to pay by given investment quote !
A.linear b.progressive
Whenin the first year you have 100 worth real estate worth in the books,this object after 20 years is maximal 25% book-value- progressive amortization worth !
Important the book-value for the finance institution : max. 48% from the 25% liquid market worth !

But the 'Americans' have seemingly ,if not to be related with Economics ( trusts administration level/ universities ),not the knowledge about the counter-side effect from this behaviour,if they think this would ' give a gain/profit' !

These people have to give their proveable argument against Walras-Pareto-v.Weizsaecker tax/capital teorem !
The best examples for this theorem : the 1987-1989 and 2007/8 US and elsewhere real estate market crash !

In Europe as study-object for he End-80 crash : Rodamco-Rolinco-Robecco  for the eal estate - bonds market - share market relationship

Probably in a free market this US-price 1.000.000 US$ - new ware- is  in maximum 100.000 US$ new equipment worth !
100.000 - 50% in 5 years ( 10% p.a.) = 50.000 ,after 10 years 0 book-value !
By special condition
( german : Sonder-Abschreibung,the total G.D.R. was 50% investment zone + 23% extra estate donation  ::) ) : 50% first year = -90% nihilation 5.th year =
1.000.000. new US price ~ 100.000 free market = 10.000 after 5.th year used after

   Buch-Wert = book-value  amortizaton                 A(bschrebung)f(uer)A(bnutzung) ,AfA
 = 1% over-valued market price ,I think not by hard cash dol(l)ars but by credit-bonds( very low covered ) financed


         Real market liquidity recoverable material worth !


   
You know that the scratch/surplus/second hands military  market buys and sells in Kg,you do ?
How much weights this ' 1.000.000 ' ware new,and how much used ?

We can visit each kind of auctions ,personally : tribunal as selling place or by net : ebay or industrial auction house

total laboratory equipment,total companies ready for migration ,used ships/planes from leasing-funds
     
         Companies book-value in function     -97% = company professional liquidation worth ,experienced



Sincerely

 

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