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Offline onepower

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« Reply #45 on: October 29, 2019, 07:45:52 AM »
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I'm not aware of ANY device posted here which actually works.
With 'works' i mean that it is running without any conventional energy input, and has a usable energy output.

I made posts with diagrams about crystal radio's which have no user input and output usable power to light an LED. I also explained how we could reduce the size and have millions of them on a circuit to produce real power. Obviously it has been proven to work for over 100 years thus your claim is false.

Free Energy devices are similar and if the device has an output then obviously the input energy must be coming from somewhere. The biggest mistake is thinking these devices "generate" power which is not true. These devices transform or convert energy already present to a more practical form we can use like electricity.   

The high output FE devices simply transform more energy faster however the working principal is the same. Energy is motion and everything in the universe is in perpetual motion on every scale, Everything is Energy as motion. Thus the only thing left to debate is the process we use to transform or convert this energy into a more usable form.

As such there is no valid debate on whether FE is real or not because we have more than enough proof it is real. Were past that, it's old news and now we should concern ourselves with finding the best transformation/conversion process.

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« Reply #46 on: October 29, 2019, 12:52:37 PM »
https://peswiki.com/directory:nanotechnology
http://www.buch-der-synergie.de/index_englisch.html

Research & Development results from 2000 -2015

We know from experience that lab success included "scientifical peer reviewed article" publication  to endconsumer market entry needs in average 5-10 years development and organization time ( and finance capital). !
Often for lab prototypes there has also to become invented new machine production processes for micro- and mass-production scale devices. !
" Solar-/thermionic cell ": how many thousands/millions of circuits in array/network today per 10 cm x 10 cm ?
= portable " micro-grid"
From the above peswiki :
https://peswiki.com/directory:advanced-diamond-solutions-amorphous-nanostructures
           

Mined diamonds,jewelry grade,sells for                   8000 US$/ carat weight :

synthetic diamonds/ carat weight ,jewelry grade     300 US$ production costs

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-diamonds-debeers-synthetic-analysis/lab-grown-diamond-prices-slide-as-de-beers-fights-back-idUSKCN1OK0MQ

Material production costs decrease and mass-production-machinery price decrease changes the market  !
90' : Roy Kessinger : 1 Mio. motor or generator production facility costs engineering : from 250 Mio. to 25 Mio. $  !
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« Reply #47 on: October 29, 2019, 05:53:29 PM »
As they say "the next garbage" from the profile site of the Russian-speaking.     https://realstrannik.com/forum/attachment/30614   

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Re: This forum is turning into trash
« Reply #48 on: October 29, 2019, 07:54:16 PM »
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I made posts with diagrams about crystal radio's which have no user input and output usable power to light an LED. I also explained how we could reduce the size and have millions of them on a circuit to produce real power. Obviously it has been proven to work for over 100 years thus your claim is false.

That's not 'free energy' because it harvests man-made energy and someone has paid for this energy.


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Free Energy devices are similar and if the device has an output then obviously the input energy must be coming from somewhere. The biggest mistake is thinking these devices "generate" power which is not true. These devices transform or convert energy already present to a more practical form we can use like electricity.   

The high output FE devices simply transform more energy faster however the working principal is the same. Energy is motion and everything in the universe is in perpetual motion on every scale, Everything is Energy as motion. Thus the only thing left to debate is the process we use to transform or convert this energy into a more usable form.

As such there is no valid debate on whether FE is real or not because we have more than enough proof it is real. Were past that, it's old news and now we should concern ourselves with finding the best transformation/conversion process.

Regards

You are right: energy can not be created, it can only be converted from one form of energy to another.
It's also possible to convert matter into energy, which is done by nuclear reactions.

My definition of a 'free energy' device:

- It has to work without any input of conventional energy (electricity, heat, light, RF waves, any kind of fuel).
- It has to work at any time, and at any location.
- It must not consume anything, that means it has to run (theoretically) infinitely.

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« Reply #49 on: October 29, 2019, 08:39:28 PM »
That's not 'free energy' because it harvests man-made energy and someone has paid for this energy.


You are right: energy can not be created, it can only be converted from one form of energy to another.
It's also possible to convert matter into energy, which is done by nuclear reactions.

My definition of a 'free energy' device:

- It has to work without any input of conventional energy (electricity, heat, light, RF waves, any kind of fuel).
- It has to work at any time, and at any location.
- It must not consume anything, which means it has to run (theoretically) infinitely.
It can't be created so you say that you have no idea your self what's going on so you, your self so you quote some on else definition who also doesn't know how it works or who has been got at!

So consider this if the sun suddenly went out how long would it take till the earth froze over?
so what is stopping that scenario from happening now? so where is the energy coming from?

 All this including you is available to be used as energy!
It has to work without any input of conventional energy (electricity, heat, light, RF waves, any kind of fuel).

   

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« Reply #50 on: October 30, 2019, 12:36:23 AM »
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My definition of a 'free energy' device:
- It has to work without any input of conventional energy (electricity, heat, light, RF waves, any kind of fuel).
- It has to work at any time, and at any location.
- It must not consume anything, that means it has to run (theoretically) infinitely.

My definition of a free energy device is a little different based on the terminology present.
-Free, without cost or payment.
-Energy, the capacity to perform work.

So the only real requirement by definition is that the source of energy is free regardless of where it comes from. Realistically what we want is a clean, sustainable source of energy available to everyone everywhere. So if I could theoretically scavenge EM energy from any number of man made or environmental sources it's still "free energy" and it could still power my house therefore... I win.

Now some have said EM scavenging could be seen as stealing energy however this is not true. By law whomever radiates or disperses waste materials or energy into the environment no longer has any rights concerning said energy or materials. So if I build a power line nearby or an EM transmitter which radiates energy into the environment you have every right to receive and use this energy on your property. This is true because it is considered a waste product or loss to the environment and nobody owns the environment per se.

The argument of stealing is completely absurd and nonsensical because if it were true I could claim rain on your property came from the evaporation of water on my property and that I own your rain water. I could also claim that nobody's plants can absorb CO2 from the atmosphere for farming because I generated some of that CO2 burning fossil fuels. It's just absurd and has no basis in law that could ever be upheld for obvious reasons.

So all environmental energy is inherently free regardless of where it comes from because no one can claim to own the environment... it is free energy.


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« Reply #51 on: October 30, 2019, 10:01:53 AM »
I will join the definitions of the concept of Free Energy. That's my interpretation.

Free energy is "energy" that you use, not buy from a supplier.  But energy is a conditional concept, since you use the power of a device that produces the actions you need: generates heat, light or motion (rotation).  All of these devices are not perpetual motion machines, nor is the device itself that generates the power source.  These devices are all designed, calculated, they are manufactured and operated on the basis of fundamental and new technologies, have a calculated resource and the cost of operation of materials and components.  The difference is that they don't need fuel to convert or an external energy source (power) - like sunlight (luminous flux power), wind power or falling water power. Yes, it is closed devices that can generate energy to maintain the internal circulation of energy (forces) and the issuance of excess for consumer purposes, I believe the key, giving personal energy independence.   Serge Rakarskiy

Posted long ago on the page of my resource (in Russian)

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« Reply #52 on: October 30, 2019, 11:46:48 PM »
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That's not 'free energy' because it harvests man-made energy and someone has paid for this energy.

I'm going to comment further on this point because it sends completely the wrong message and is incorrect.

First, there is no such thing as "man-made" energy because we cannot create or destroy energy only transform it. We have to get past these ego-centric false notions that we have the capacity create energy when we do not. All energy is inherently free and at best mankind is barely intelligent enough to even transform energy with 50% efficiency.

We also have to get past this ridiculous notion that we own energy or that someone somewhere has paid for it. I mean what's next, are you going to say someone owns the Sun or Sunlight or the oceans or the air we breath?. I believe these narcissistic beliefs come from the degeneration of society which worships greed and ownership. A cult if you will in which people barely intelligent enough to understand much of anything that matters have inferred god like properties on themselves. 

If you want to know how great and god like mankind is just look at the state of the world we are in the process of destroying. Intelligent people do not destroy the place they live out of complete ignorance to the facts then claim to be intelligent. That's a special kind of stupid in my opinion.

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« Reply #53 on: October 30, 2019, 11:52:26 PM »
Now some have said EM scavenging could be seen as stealing energy however this is not true. By law whomever radiates or disperses waste materials or energy into the environment no longer has any rights concerning said energy or materials. So if I build a power line nearby or an EM transmitter which radiates energy into the environment you have every right to receive and use this energy on your property. This is true because it is considered a waste product or loss to the environment and nobody owns the environment per se.

This is your interpretation but it's not the law... at least not in all countries. I know cases of people who have been punished for stealing energy because they operated fluorescent lights connected to an antenna in their garden near a powerful RF transmitter. And in fact it's stealing because absorbing RF power near a RF transmitter will reduce its range of transmitting.

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« Reply #54 on: October 30, 2019, 11:56:20 PM »
I will join the definitions of the concept of Free Energy. That's my interpretation.

Free energy is "energy" that you use, not buy from a supplier.  But energy is a conditional concept, since you use the power of a device that produces the actions you need: generates heat, light or motion (rotation).  All of these devices are not perpetual motion machines, nor is the device itself that generates the power source.  These devices are all designed, calculated, they are manufactured and operated on the basis of fundamental and new technologies, have a calculated resource and the cost of operation of materials and components.  The difference is that they don't need fuel to convert or an external energy source (power) - like sunlight (luminous flux power), wind power or falling water power. Yes, it is closed devices that can generate energy to maintain the internal circulation of energy (forces) and the issuance of excess for consumer purposes, I believe the key, giving personal energy independence.   Serge Rakarskiy

Posted long ago on the page of my resource (in Russian)
Of course solar, water or wind energy is 'free' but this forum is called 'overunity' forum so i think talking about normal solar panels etc is not really the topic of this forum.

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« Reply #55 on: October 31, 2019, 12:04:32 AM »
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I'm going to comment further on this point because it sends completely the wrong message and is incorrect.

First, there is no such thing as "man-made" energy because we cannot create or destroy energy only transform it. We have to get past these ego-centric false notions that we have the capacity create energy when we do not. All energy is inherently free and at best mankind is barely intelligent enough to even transform energy with 50% efficiency.

We also have to get past this ridiculous notion that we own energy or that someone somewhere has paid for it. I mean what's next, are you going to say someone owns the Sun or Sunlight or the oceans or the air we breath?. I believe these narcissistic beliefs come from the degeneration of society which worships greed and ownership. A cult if you will in which people barely intelligent enough to understand much of anything that matters have inferred god like properties on themselves. 

If you want to know how great and god like mankind is just look at the state of the world we are in the process of destroying. Intelligent people do not destroy the place they live out of complete ignorance to the facts then claim to be intelligent. That's a special kind of stupid in my opinion.
You are right, nobody can generate energy. What we pay for is not the energy, but the conversion. This conversion requires machines which have to be built and operated, which of course costs something. When i extend your argumentation everything should be free, because everything you can buy is made from materials which originally were 'free'. Why should i pay for metal because it comes out of the earth, and therefore it's 'free'. The same applies for oil, for food, for almost everything...


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« Reply #56 on: October 31, 2019, 12:07:47 AM »
This is your interpretation but it's not the law... at least not in all countries. I know cases of people who have been punished for stealing energy because they operated fluorescent lights connected to an antenna in their garden near a powerful RF transmitter. And in fact it's stealing because absorbing RF power near an RF transmitter will reduce its range of transmitting.
How do you make that out? you would have to tune to it and i very much doubt if you could get that much power and any way Henry Moray would go deep into the desert far away from any radio stations or power supplying distributer and his device still worked.

And you don't have any real idea how electrons can be excited and exciting them doesn't mean you're creating them
your just making it easier to collect them from inside a huge capacitor we live in.

I suggest you find Morays books and PDFs and read them Also Tesla's patents and Hevysides and James clerk Maxwel were the old masters like  C.P. Steinmetz pre doctored notes before Morgan had them doctored and learn something. because you know nothing as we all did till we found the truth!

Just because you say you cant manufacture energy does not mean it cant enter the planet or leave it !

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« Reply #57 on: October 31, 2019, 12:29:56 AM »
How do you make that out? you would have to tune to it and i very much doubt if you could get that much power and any way Henry Moray would go deep into the desert far away from any radio stations or power supplying distributer and his device still worked.

It worked ?  Really ?  Why is nobody able to replicate this today ?

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« Reply #58 on: October 31, 2019, 07:16:21 AM »
How do you know that  is for sure ? after all this is a facebook gathering for just the type of people you describe above. 'ANTS' they are all over!
negative thinking thourts.  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D.

Moray King could be your man, try reading books from positive people might help next be optimistic.

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« Reply #59 on: October 31, 2019, 11:24:02 AM »
Of course solar, water or wind energy is 'free' but this forum is called 'overunity' forum so i think talking about normal solar panels etc is not really the topic of this forum.

Perhaps you do not understand the essence of my definition. The definition refers to the concept of free energy. In closed systems without technical result - more than one, you will not get free energy.  Free energy is a commercial result!  More than one - technical result.
With respect.

 

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